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Too Much Hyper, Not Enough Fighting
Jason Booth takes a look at the recently released Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting, on Xbox Live. A highly anticipated title, Mr. Booth lays out why Capcom has fallen short of the high expectations gamers had for the title. From the article: "Now, where the game really falls down is online. It's bad enough playing SF2 on the 360 controller, but with lag it's nearly impossible. The funny thing is, the lag really isn't that bad from a technical standpoint. Most matches feel as if I'm getting a reasonable ping time and response. But SF2 turbo is a fast game, and at that speed, you just can't play, and can't compensate enough for the lag. If you press an attack button while leaving the ground on a jump, it'll probably go off as its landing."
why do they keep making street fighter 2 games? shouldn't the number go up once in a while?
Although it has gotten better, lag is still an issue with Xbox Live. More than likely what they are doing with this game is the same thing they do with Halo2 on live. They set one of the people as host and the only thing the server does is game match. This can cause all sorts of issues, especially in Halo2 where the engine has some network code issues. You have the annoying button lapse to hits not registring at all. Usually, however the host has the advantage. They move a little quicker, hit a little harder, and can take more damage. Centralizing everything is more expensive, but will negate host issues and you could also run programs like punk buster to keep people from cheating. That's my $0.02.
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For the same reason Nintendo re-releases the original Super Mario Bros. on the Super NES (as Super Mario All-Stars), on the Game Boy Color (Super Mario Bros. Deluxe) and on the forthcoming Wii Virtual Console. This product from Capcom is a port of Street Fighter II Turbo, as seen on the Super NES and Sega Genesis (the latter under the name Street Fighter II Special Championship Edition).
I played SFIIHF on the xbox360 last night. I was on the east coast vs. someone on the west coast. No noticeable lag. However, an earlier bout of unknown distance had a couple of choppy animations. It was a light night after 1am EDT, though. It's probably busier around 9pm EDT.
The arcade game is perfect. It plays at the same speed as Hyper Fighting. The controls were very responsive when I used the analog stick. You can set the buttons anyway you like. I think negative reviews on the controller are based on personal preference. You may find some characters easier with the D-Pad, and some easier to control with the analog.
Live Arcade has been receiving way too much non-constructive negative feedback. It really seems like a bashing! Just remember, this is an 80s game!
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This is not Capcom's fault. Microsoft TCRs require that multiplayer works over Live. For a lot of games this works, and for many games there are tricks to compensate for lag. In many game types the engine can cheat and predict the positions and directions of an enemy. For other game types the lag doesn't matter at all.
Now look at a fighting game: You only have a tiny number of frames to react to a move of an opponent. Even with a perfect ping the signal still only travels with the speed of light, so the other player will never have a chance to react in time.
I have not seen a single fighting game that works well over a network connection, yet, and until we have instantaneous wormhole connections between machines I don't think we will ever see any.
You can feel 50ms when you're playing fighting games. If the lag was constant, maybe it'd be different, but it never is.
there is no need to sign your posts. this isn't usenet. your username is right there above your post. stop it.
There was Street Fighter, and then Street Fighter 2. Since then, well it's never really incremented. After SF2 was SF2: Champion Edition, and SF2: Hyper Fighting. Then then moved to the CPS-2 hardware with Super Street Fighter 2: The New Challengers, then SSF2 Turbo. After that was NOT SF3, but rather Street Fighter Alpha. Street Fighter 3 finally did come in 1997, after 3 Alpha games.
I think he's just genreally giving Capcom shit for their odd naming scheme.
The title screen of the copy of Street Fighter II Turbo for Super NES that I rented said "Hyper Fighting" where the original said "The World Warrior". Wikipedia backs me up. Perhaps you're thinking of the fact that the word Turbo was left out of the arcade game's title in some markets.
They said the game was HD, but far from it. The same damn game we've been playing for years. Playing in a small box, and looks like crap when stretched out.
I still prefer SFII Turbo on my original Xbox either with the Capcom Classics or the SNES rom with ZsnexBox 2.2. At least the emulator tries to get HD resolutions for these older games! I'm glad I only got the trial.
I played this game on my lunch break yesterday (Wed, the release day) with absolutely no lag, and I'm a pretty seasoned SF2 player. I would have noticed lag. 5 hours later during dinnertime, I played again for about 2 hours online with absolutely no lag against other people.
I had a great time. My only complaint was joining a custom match because by the time the results hit the screen, the player was usually unavailable (i.e. started a match). I just wanted to chime in and say that the lag is subjective, and on yesterday where I expected lag to be the worst, I experienced none at all.
I consider it worth the investment. It sure is small considering how many quarters I was pumping into it as a teenager at the bowling alley every day...
try out the offline mode and then online. It'll immediately feel sluggish even aginast players with full green bars. I read somewhere that we can avoid connection problems by assigning a static IP Address and doing something to DMOZ. Anyone has info on it?
Is it better or worse than using a rom of SFII + kaillera compatible emulator or not?
You do have to remember that most people these days that want to play this originally played it on the SNES or one of the compilation packs instead of the arcade. Some of you are just old and cranky farts who hold onto this dead premise of an arcade.
You might want to nix the Movie and the EX games if you're strictly counting games by Capcom. AFAIK, the two games were done outside of Capcom (the EX Series having been done by ARIKA). Also, you're missing Street Fighter EX III, since you're counting the EX Series (though, I'm not sure if that one saw an Arcade release, which I don't think it did).
And might as well add X-Men Vs. Street Fighter and Street Fighter 2097 for NES if you want to be really complete about it (that and tons of Alpha compilations and tweaks for the consoles).
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One of my greatest achievements in arcade gaming is that I managed to take one round -- not a full match, just a round -- from Jason Booth in SF2 Turbo when we were both at Turbine. Of course, he was only using one button -- light kick. When he switched to light punch, I was done.
Well, it was from the KLOV listing, so it's not always going to be 100% accurate by everybody's standards, but I believe SFII (movie) would count since it's the same characters, with terrible Pit Fighter graphics (and van damme) As for EXIII, if it didn't make it into the arcade, that'd be why it wouldn't be listed, they seem to only list arcade games... As for the "Vs." games, those are just a bastardized version... I think the list is pretty thorough, aside maybe from the EXIII you mentioned.
Considering it was Co-Developed by Capcom and Incredible Technologies, I think that abortive game does belong.
And EX3 doesn't since it was never released for the Arcade, though at this point, I think it's splitting hairs.
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Lag, yes. Delayed reaction to controller input, maybe.
PING TIME AND RESPONSE????
You people seriously need to get off the computers once in a while and stop mixing your words around like you know something.