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Domesday Book Goes Online

Accommodate Students writes "The Domesday Book has gone online. As one of the earliest public records goes online, anyone with an internet connection will be able to access this important document. Amongst other interesting facts, the BBC is reporting that the Book can still be used today in court for property disputes. In an interesting development, the National Archives are making online searches free, but downloads of data will cost £3.50 (approx $6.50 US). Similar launches of historical websites in the past have struggled to keep up with server loads in their first days and weeks, so it remains to be seen whether the Domesday Book online will be more or less fragile than the parchment originals."

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  1. Pages come with a translation by Bushcat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've used this service a few times already. Each image of the original page is supplied with a translation so one can make sense of it.

    1. Re:Pages come with a translation by mblase · · Score: 3, Funny

      Each image of the original page is supplied with a translation so one can make sense of it.

      Brilliant! Maybe they'll inspire the American IRS to do the same thing with the tax codes.

  2. Dr. Strangelove by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, I actually read two pages on the site before realizing it was DOMESday.

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    1. Re:Dr. Strangelove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      You weren't too far off.

      From the wikipedia article:

      "When the book took the name "Domesday" (Middle English spelling of Doomsday) in the 12th century, it was to emphasize its definitiveness and authority (the analogy refers to the Christian notion of a Last Judgment)."


  3. cool by rucs_hack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have property deeds from the 16th century in what is now oxfordshire, that I found years ago in a jumble sale of all places. I can track them back even further now.

    Sounds like it, anyway.

  4. great! by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Amongst other interesting facts, the BBC is reporting that the Book can still be used today in court for property disputes.

    Finally I'll be able to settle my dispute with a neighbouring lord over these slaves I have. Peasants. I mean peasants, not slaves. Right.

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  5. Re:Cool! by NanoWires · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Believe it or not it does come from doomsday!! Read the Introduction to the Domesday book http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/discov er-domesday/
    The nickname 'Domesday' may refer to the Biblical Day of Judgement, or 'doomsday' when Christ will return to judge the living and the dead. Just as there will be no appeal on that day against his decisions, so Domesday Book has the final word - there is no appeal beyond it as evidence of legal title to land. For many centuries Domesday was regarded as the authoritative register regarding rightful possession and was used mainly for that purpose. It was called Domesday by 1180. Before that it was known as the Winchester Roll or King's Roll, and sometimes as the Book of the Treasury.
  6. This is an outrage! by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Putting public records online... Think of the privacy issues! Phishers and identity thieves will have a heyday!

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  7. Old tech vs new by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting that the original domesday book is still useful for territorial disputes almost a thousand years after it was written, but that the domesday project, a modern equivalent on laserdisk is no longer readable roughly 20 years after introduction.

    Even though later on, an effort was made to port to the PC it reminds us just how ephemeral modern information is. If a year is a long time in politics, a decade is an eternity in computing tech.

    Open standards (and not closed or proprietary document formats) are the only weapon we have against a "digital dark ages" descending on us. There are already files I have from my early computing days (written to an Exabyte tape in a non-standard dump-format) that I can't read. My PhD thesis is out-of-bounds in digital form, unless I get a used DECstation from ebay...

    Just food for thought...

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    1. Re:Old tech vs new by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, this story made me wonder if anyone from the future would ever care about our "Domesday Wiki."

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    2. Re:Old tech vs new by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's actually a proprietary format on the laserdisk as well - I don't know if laserdisks (weren't they analogue ?) ever had a standard format like CDROM's do. I think it was more along the lines of "format it for this machine, and only this machine can read it".

      Now that the machine is vanished into the history books, the data is unreadable (or was, until they ported it to the PC, but I believe that took a *lot* of effort, and who's to say that in 20 years, the PC will still be around in it's current form ?

      Simon

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    3. Re:Old tech vs new by Alioth · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 1980s Domesday Project is available online - it's still perfectly readable.
      The biggest problem with getting the Domesday Project online was *not* reading the data - it was COPYRIGHTS (and finding all the copyright holders down to get permission).

      You can use the 1986 Domesday project here: http://www.domesday1986.com/

    4. Re:Old tech vs new by vidarh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interestingly I can't get at it.... Maybe I'm missing a plugin or maybe the site is experiencing problems, but I only get a blank window. If anything that illustrates the problems of digital versions nicely. Though it may be possible for me to get at it with another browser etc. - access to it certainly is more brittle and will require ongoing maintenance.

    5. Re:Old tech vs new by leenks · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it just proves that the BBC who didn't keep any records of Copyright were unable to archive the material properly, and now you have only a couple of portals in which to view the original data (coming from the original disks via an emulator / translator of some kind no doubt). Paper/parchment needs archiving too, it is just that the digital equivalent is somewhat more difficult and there are no surviving copyrights. I suspect that the digital version will be widely distributed in future years when copyright expires.

      The digital version was somewhat different to the original anyway - it had photographs, drawings, audio, and (most importantly) video. We could archive that on paper (if we knew the Copyright holders), but I think the cost of a suitable facility to preserve it might be prohibitive.

      Personally, I think the British Government should step in and waive all Copyright holders rights to the digital version. After all, people knew what they were getting into with the project and its implications.

  8. Of course it's more durable! by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it remains to be seen whether the Domesday Book online will be more or less fragile than the parchment originals."

    That's a joke, but it demonstrates a principle of digital information that people have not gotten used to yet.

    The first time someone gets a copy of the original, the document will have doubled it's durability. If they really liberate it, they will immortalize it and greatly reduce the cost of distributing it. "Protecting" something you want to publish reduces it's chance of survival. This is not special to electronic publishing.

    What's different is the cheapness of sharing and that removes the need to protect publications. Once upon a time, people chained books to their shelves because that book took a substantial fraction of someones' life to make or copy and there were very few coppies. Today, the contents can be duplicated without special material in the blink of an eye, unless there's some nasty DRM stuck on it. DRM makes it difficult for the honest user to read and impossible to copy. Chains are no longer required and making digital information more difficult to work with than what it replaces is perverse.

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  9. property by denidoom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder who would gain from a property dispute? the Black Plague in the 14th century devestated the English population and as a result a lot of peasants became landowners themselves. They were able to negotiate these land deals because basically there weren't many laborers left to work the land and the lords were desperate, so they gave the peasants land in exchange for labor. In fact things were really rearranged quite a bit at that time (14th C) regarding property. I am unsure how anyone could prove a valid claim -they would have to do some serious researching into the following centuries proving the land wasn't legitimately sold or transferred.

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    1. Re:property by niktemadur · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please mod this guy up, he's got one helluva point.

      At least a quarter of the population was directly killed by the Plague within a six year span. As noted, this was bound to jumble and reassemble the social structure in a major way, a process that probably lasted for decades.

      However, a bit of speculation: Many land-owning families must have been wiped clean off the face of the Earth, many others would probably have migrated elsewhere, London perhaps, in an attempt to find better fortunes. It's entirely possible that the canniest survivors took advantage of the chaos, changing their names overnight, becoming 'cousins' to the less fortunate families, claiming title to their lands. In this manner, the names would remain the same, albeit under false pretenses. So maybe the property structure was kept more intact than we might suppose at face value.

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  10. Parchment vs Online by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Insightful
    so it remains to be seen whether the Domesday Book online will be more or less fragile than the parchment originals."

    More fragile. The parchment, if properly stored in a cool, dark, dry place (which is easy to do and requires very little technology - almost none, actually) will last another 1000 years. I seriously doubt ANYTHING online will be around in 1000 years. I doubt we will have electricity in 1000 years.

    RS

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  11. Re:SMMMMMMART!!!!! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny
    it is not, in fact, a book describing various methods to destroy the world and start a utopian undersea colony.
    Well, I just totally wasted $6.50.

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  12. pay ??? by madhippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what annoys me is that whenever the British government/local government or other British institutions put this sort of information online here in the UK - they expect to be able to charge for it (our taxes paid for the running of these institutions etc) ...

    compare that to the way the US gov./institutions tends to free up information ... imagine paying to download nasa/hubble images !!

    (tho sometimes US orgs tend to go a bit too far - eg Americas Army)

  13. Re:HUH? by nickco3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Welcome to the 21st century, where Russia's economy is smaller than Belgium's.

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