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Combating Harassing Use of Mosquito Noise Device?

amicold asks: "For a while now my neighborhood has had to deal with an elderly neighbor who has displayed a slightly paranoid attitude towards myself and the fellow younger-adults of the neighborhood, believing us to be attempting to harass him in our day-to-day activities. Recently, he installed a Mosquito ultrasonic noise device as an apparent attempt to 'get back at us' for our harassment. As the Mosquito emits a sound that's well out of his hearing range, he can't hear it, while most of the rest of the neighborhood is under 40 and can; at which point it's causing everyone a great deal of discomfort. Unfortunately, because the police also can't hear it, we can't get the authorities to do anything about it, leaving us empty-handed in our attempts at getting some peace and quiet back. What can we do to either help the police realize how disturbing this device is, or counteract it so that it's no longer disturbing us? And is this the first of what may be a growing trend of civilians using high-tech discomfort weapons as a method of neighborhood warfare?"

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  1. right back at them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
  2. Well, you could start by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could start by getting off his damn lawn.

    1. Re:Well, you could start by... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's amazing what you can do with a $0.99 bottle of super-glue!

      Yeah, like getting yourself tossed in jail for vandalizing other people's property! Woo, hoo!

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Well, you could start by... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What, "destruction of property" is a valid "option"?

      I guess if you're completely amoral and sociopathic...

    3. Re:Well, you could start by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed - my first reaction to this is WTF?! It's a shame that we live in such a paranoid society where everybody thinks their neighbor is "out to get them" and that somehow that justifies an escalating spiral of "revenge" tactics. Life is too f'king short..you all should learn to relax more.

      Did you ever consider that maybe because he can't HEAR it he doesn't know there is a problem? Can you talk to him about it calmly and respectfully, or have you already become such bitter rivals that you would/could never do that..

      Like WTF would putting glue in the door locks accomplish? Nothing..because if you are smart you wouldn't get caught..and he wouldn't have a CLUE that the reason you did it was because of the "ultrasonic jammer". He would just get more irrate and do something MORE irritating. MATURE adults try to talk out their problems..assuming that you aren't living in redneck-city or something.

      Signed Sincerely,
      Your local naive anonymous coward.

    4. Re:Well, you could start by... by speederaser · · Score: 5, Informative

      "...maybe because he can't HEAR it he doesn't know there is a problem?"

      According to the products page, the purpose of the Mosquito is to drive teenagers away from an area by producing high frequency sound only they can hear. Older people cannot hear it. The device has no other purpose, and is certainly not a mosquito repellent device as some posters have assumed.

  3. Ask Slashdot? by ag0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of "Ask Slashdot", shouldn't this be under "Ask Your Lawyer"?

    1. Re:Ask Slashdot? by arivanov · · Score: 5, Informative

      If it is in the UK you can use the standard laws against nuisance noise for which you do not need a lawyer. Dig the relevant address of your council website, write a well written letter and off you go. Same as with security lights shining with your windows. No need for using your lawyers. This is something you pay for using your council tax.

      Most other legislations around EU (and many other countries outside it) are not any different. All you need to do is find the relevant local council address and send a complaint. They will send an engineer with measuring equipment at your site ASAP. The mere appearance of the van with the measurement equipment may be enough for the idiot Meldrew clone to take his Mosquito and shovel it where sun does not shine.

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  4. Try this by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Take pictures of it. Print out the link you have in your post and any other documentation you can find on the thing. Ask a community service officer from the police to come out. She will probably be a she. She will probably be young, and since not carrying a gun, will not have spent a bunch of time on the firing range ruining her hearing. She will hear it, and since the docs clearly show it is designed to be annoying, she will be on your side. Probably. Maybe. You can try it and hope, anyway.

    Plan B. You like Hendrix, right? With breakfast. Early. Turn it up to eleven.

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    1. Re:Try this by Tlosk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There was a piece on NPR radio a few weeks ago about an inventor who is marketing a device similar to the mosquito one in this article only it is specifically desinged to be annoying to teenagers (he had problems with them congregating in front of his store). Amusingly his daughter then subverted it for her own use by creating ringtones of the noise so that she could turn her phone on during school (since vibra mode can still be audible in a quiet classroom) and none of the teachers can hear it even though everyone else can lol.

      They even had the ringtone as a downloadable ringtone there (you can't of course hear it at all if you're over 25 or so, as you age you lose the ability to hear in those outlier frequency ranges).

      Here's a link to the story:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=5434687

    2. Re:Try this by volpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was about to suggest that but you beat me to it. So let me add a little suggestion: Instead of trying to carefully break the thing in the middle of the night, buy another identical device from wherever he got it (Home Depot, whatever) and take your time breaking it carefully. Then just swap the two in the middle of the night. Then return the properly-functioning one to the store for a refund.

    3. Re:Try this by skam240 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or at night, plan a raid, whereby you break the device in such a fashion that all the nice little leds stay on...

      Screw that. I'd just head over there at 3 in the morning and smash it with a hammer (and I'm dead serious for those looking to mod this funny). I've had to deal with people of this sort in dealing with my condo association and let me tell you, there are certain segments of the elderly who literally hate everyone. Given that the police will do nothing about this, the only option is to take things into your own hands. These units are fairly expensive and some one on a limited budget (such as your typical elderly neighbor) will likely not have the resources to replace such a device. I would Hop the fence at three in the morning and anything that looked like it might be emitting the sound would be either stolen or smashed.

      For anyone who has moral concerns over smashing the property of an elderly person, said person should take into consideration the fact that this elderly person has installed a device which targets young neighbors regardless of their actions or behavior. Punishing all individuals of a given group regardless of guilt is certainly immoral. Furthermore, said elderly neighbor has plenty of options through the local police department in dealing with disturbances and has no right to take things into their own hands

      Given that the police will do nothing about this, one has no option but to take things into ones own hands.

      Of course if you choose this course of action you should be careful in doing so and recongnize the fact that it is illegal. I'm really just saying what I would personally do and not necessarily what you should do.

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  5. Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not that I'm condoning any particular course of action, but I just though it worth pointing out that if he can't hear it himself, he can't tell if it's still functioning. Just an observation.

  6. Skip the police. by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who needs the cops? Sue him. He'll take it down in seconds. You won't even have to go to court.

    Then, all you need to do is be annoying enough that he moves to Florida. (Unless you already live in Florida, in which case you're screwed.)

    1. Re:Skip the police. by linuxtelephony · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Claim it's damaging your ears and killing your ability to hear sounds in the higher frequency range. If it's on after 10PM (or whatever the local disturbing the peace violations occur), call the cops and report that high pitch noise is disrupting your peace. Have all the neighbors also call. If it's more than one household, they'll do something. When the responding officers don't do anything, get their names and badge numbers (but, as we learned earlier, don't videotape them unless you want to be a martyr) and then call and complain that they responding officers failed to stop the disturbance in the neighborhood and ask for supervisors.

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  7. Beat frequency by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Build a similar device to emit noise at a slightly different frequency. The result will be horrible sounds as the two waves interfere. The horrible sounds will seem to come from both your source and the original source. You may get the blame but at least the cops/etc will believe that an issue exists.

  8. Re:Get a young police officer... by jpardey · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't get a young police officer, kidnap a young police officer's young child and strap him to your neighbour's lawn. This will give the police someone to trust, and will also get you away from the house for a few years.

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  9. Re:Get a young police officer... by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    slice its power cord or something at 2AM in the morning

    Dispite the redundancy in there, I think that's a great idea! If you keep complaining about the damned thing after you've disabled it, he won't even know it's broken.

  10. Egg 'im by talkingpaperclip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just egg his house. That will surely make him realize his immaturity and bring a swift end to his harassment.

  11. Hmmmm by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one that thinks this is a novel Slashvertizement?

    How many of you thought "hmmmm. I could use this to really annoy xxx"?

    And note that the link goes to a specifc supplier of such items. Not a generic link.... say a wiki. I mean, who really believes that some guy cannot get a cop under 40. Cannot figure out that he should talk to the police and explain more, or maybe go to see a lawyer... or maybe sneak into his neighbor's year with a baseball bat and a ski mask?

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  12. Do an end run around him. by Mattintosh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Several (disjointed) ideas sprang to mind:

    1) Get a sound meter (dB meter, noise level meter, or whatever it's called where you are) and call the cops again. Show the meter to the officer.
    2) Buy big speakers and send some noise his direction that he CAN hear. I recommend NES chiptunes.
    3) Disconnect the device without his knowledge. He can't hear it, so he can't tell if it's working or not.
    4) Kick the neighbor in the nuts. If he gets angry, kick him in the nuts again. If he threatens you, proceed to #5.
    5) Shoot him. You didn't need the curmudgeonly bastard anyway. Take his stuff and tell his family he went on vacation to BFE. Be sure to dispose of his body properly - through a wood chipper, then burn the chunks. Invite other young neighbors over for BBQ. Display a big cookbook with a cover that says "To Serve Annoying Old Neighbors".

    (And just for the humor impaired, options 4 and 5 are not serious. I am not the voice in your head telling you to assault or kill your neighbor. That voice is named Larry. I'm Matt.)

  13. Noise Cancelling by CompotatoJ · · Score: 5, Funny
    You could try setting up a device (such as a stereo or computer speakers) which cancels out the noise which I believe is 17KHz. If you emit the exact opposite sound, they will cancel out each other. It uses the same principle as noise-cancelling headphones. I hope this ASCII drawing of how the waves will interact helps:
    Mosquito Wave: /^\/^\/^\

    Opposite Wave: \_/\_/\_/

    = Combination: ---------
  14. I can relate... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can relate...

    Two years ago, the building next to mine was being totally renovated (they gutted everything but the outside walls).

    And they had that big honking alarm that would go off each time a cat or a bird would go inside the structure.

    Of course, it went off at 2 in the morning many times.

    After a few weeks, we got to get pretty pissed at it, so I started to grab a pair of cutters, and enter the place despite it being barricaded (from the third floor, the balconies of the respective buildings are only 2 feet away). Then it's just a matter of finding the wire and snipping it.

    Of course, they would fix it, until the next snip...

    The last time I did it (at 3 in the morning), I was so pissed that I cut the wire in about 200 one inch long little sections. This must have drove the message home because that's the last time we heard the fucking alarm...

  15. Do this by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's the plan:

    1. Spend the next 30-40 years breeding and training vicious attack dogs
    2. Now you're over 40 and can hear it any more. (Plus, everyone loves dogs -- bonus.)

    It's foolproof.

  16. Why don't you try... getting along? by Frangible · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Do you truly think the best option is further conflict? Getting legal authorities involved? Going to court?

    Why don't you try talking to the guy-- listen to him-- this simple act will make him more comfortable with you. Apologize to him. Buy him a gift. Show kindness.

    Which is of more value to you-- an empty, hollow sense of victory that will bring you no satisfaction, even if it does occur, or peace?

    "Whenever you are confronted with an opponent, conquer him with love." -Mahatma Gandhi

    "Suppose someone, to annoy, Provokes you to do some evil act. Why allow anger to arise and thus Do exactly as he wants you to do? If you get angry Then maybe he will suffer, maybe not. But by feeling anger yourself You certainly do suffer." "For in this world, Hatred is never appeased by more hatred; It is love that conquers hatred. This is an eternal law." -The Buddha

  17. Re:I call bullshit by Stellian · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There's no way the little beeper in a phone would be able to reproduce the sound.
    Well, I've just tried that mp3 ringtone on my K750i Sony Ericsson, and I can hear it very clearly from the other room. On the other hand, my 54 y/o mom can't, and my 29 y/o brother sais it's faint. In 24 myself.
    That sound is only 15 KHz, and the mp3 has 48Khz sampling rate. And the buzzer in the mobile is perfectly able to reproduce high frequencies, it's the low freqs that cannot be reproduced.
  18. They would but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they don't know his email address.

  19. Noise Cancelling won't work by dww · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you can EXACTLY duplicate the signal - which you can't - and transmit its inverse from EXACTLY the same point - which you can't - noise cancelling over an area will not work. It works in headphones because the area covered is much smaller than the sound wavelength - that is not so here.

    Imagine throwing two stones into a quiet pond. The two expanding waves will intersect and cancel at some points - but half a wavelength further on they will be in phase and so double. So it will be with the sound - varying from silent to twice as loud depending where you are. As the wavelength will be small, moving your head will be very uncomfortable! You can try the effect if you play the clean MP3 sample you'll find at http://www.star94.com/shows/index.cfm?show=cr&cid= 63 in a small room, where there will be lots of echoes. I'm 60 but I can hear it if I turn the volume up, a high pitched warble that changes in a very disconcerting way when I move my head. (Not everyone over 25 is deaf!)

    Meanwhile - IGNORE the idiots here suggesting various illegal measures. Those WILL get the police involved, but not in the way you want. However, if you could get the authorities to recognise the problem (get the neighbours to all complain to your local councillor as well as the police), you may be able to persuade them to take out an ASBO against the offender preventing him from continuing the nuisance. (For our US friends, an ASBO is an "Anti-Social Behaviour Order", and ignoring it becomes a criminal offence).

  20. Re:Have you tried... by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that is a good idea... but if I were you, I would ask a friend (who the elderly gentelman in question has never met) to go and ask. He/she should simply pretend/imply that they live "nearby"... the fact that the man has never met this person will make him think twice. He's probably not evil at the core, and he's only trying to get back at certain people. If he suddenly realizes that he's annoying others, he will probably stop.

    This new friend could be someone a bit older than all of you, in which case he may sympathize with them more and stop this particular annoying behavior.

    Alternately, you might get a friendly and attractive female to go and do the asking. It's amazing how frequently that can resolve a situation with a grumpy old man. I've seen it work more than once.

  21. Re:We don't live in a perfect world by AdamWeeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only if you have the attitude that "If perfection can not be achieved we shouldn't bother striving for it." Another wrong only leads us further away from a peaceful society towards the vigilante style societies of our past. By your model if I consider what your posting as "wrong," I have the right to seek vengence to "right" it. Only by treating others how we WISH to be treated, and not by how they treat us first, is our society going to advance. Will we ever achieve 100% of people doing it? No, but that doesn't mean that it's a dumb thing to do.

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  22. Fix the problem without him knowing by _LMark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he can't hear it, I think the easy fix is to wait until he is gone, then replace the batteries with dead ones, snip the power cord someplace where it won't be immediately obvious, or disable the device in some other way. Since he can't hear it, he'll just assume that it's working and no escalation is necessary.

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