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Inside View on Apple WWDC Rumors

AppleLurker writes "In a recent interview with DVD newsroom an Apple employee talks WWDC rumors including the iPhone, Blu-ray, MacPro and the Apple Tablet. More realistic about what not to expect next week when Steve Jobs hits the stage." Apple's next move is always a hotbed of debate leading up to a product release and with all the rumors flying this year all bets are off until we see the checkered flag, so take with the requisite grain of salt.

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  1. Lots of new system software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an attendee and have noticed that the online schedule of sessions still has about 40% of the slots with "To Be Announced" as their descriptions. In the past Apple has done this when new technologies are to be announced; the session titles are filled in after the keynote is over.

    So perhaps there's going to be quite a bit of new software this time.

    1. Re:Lots of new system software? by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Loepoard has had the longest development cycle of any Mac OS X release since 1.0. I'd guess there will be some interesting new capabilities coming, along with API so that developers can use them, too. Past examples of new API announced at WWDC and slotted into previously blank sessions include CoreData, CoreImage, CoreVideo, and WebKit. I see there are only two scheduled sessions and one Feedback Forum regarding WebObjects. Perhaps some of the unannounced sessions will bring good news for this product.

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    2. Re:Lots of new system software? by monoqlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hope so. WebObjects is a great product that I don't feel is being marketed as well as it could be. I tried to get into it earlier this summer, but the documentation is sparse and there is no gold-standard beginner's book on the market(the most highly recommended one went out of print - is that the sign of a dying technology?).

        WebObjects would be very competitive placed head to head with Atlas and ASP.net, especially with a more refined Linux/BSD deployment support. Right now deploying to Linux is a bit difficult. I just wish Apple would get on that more aggressively.

    3. Re:Lots of new system software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are an attendee, you should organize your schedule at http://www.apple.com/wwdc. After entering your ADC user and password you will see all the available sessions. The page you mention has probably not been updated since WWDC was announced earlier this year. Oh, and before you rush to the site, let me tell you that you wont find any clues as to what will be announced on Monday by taking a look at the name of the sessions :-)

    4. Re:Lots of new system software? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Gary W. Longsine wrote:
      Leopoard has had the longest development cycle of any Mac OS X release since 1.0.
      That's not quite true: Tiger was longer (so far). Here's a list of Mac OS X releases following 10.0 (released March 24, 2001):
      1. Puma -- Sep 29, 2001 ~6.3 months gestation
      2. Jaguar -- Aug 24, 2002 ~10.9 months gestation
      3. Panther -- Oct 24, 2003 ~14.2 months gestation
      4. Tiger -- Apr 29, 2005 ~ 18.4 months gestation

      Leopard has been incubating for a bit over 15 months from Tiger's release. If it takes the same amount of time as Tiger to release we'll see it go live at the start of November. If it follows the other trend of "prior release + 4 months" we'll see it go live at the start of March 2007. Both of these would fit in with the prediction that Steve made at the last WWDC that we'll see it at the end of 2006 or the start of 2007 "about the time Longhorn is released".

      No matter what technology is in the pipeline, the release date is more likely to be determined by when Apple wants to go head to head with the Microsoft PR machine. Apple hasn't made any public technology promises (other than a final version of Boot Camp) so it can delay any project that isn't quite ready until 10.6. If Apple wants to look like an "innovator" and come in "first" with what everyone will think of as the next generation successor to Windows 98, then it may aim for November. If it wants to ride the Microsoft PR wave (rather than appear overwhelmed by it) then it may wait until the same time or just after Windows Vista is declared by some as a steaming pile of poo.

      Setting any release date is risky, but I think Leopard's will have less to do with technology and everything to do with what date Apple thinks is the best day to take on Goliath.

    5. Re:Lots of new system software? by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a user I wish they add more features and APIs but not breaking the older API compatability.

      Lets hope we won't see dedicated pages on versiontracker.com etc for "Leopard Compatibility" again.

      For example, I see Realplayer 10+ renders pages in its simple browser via Webkit. They should not have to release a update/bugfix(!) for that function work in Leopard. As a "haxie" etc user, I know you shouldn't expect system hacks to work right. I am speaking about ordinary applications.

      Remember dozens of developers had to give up fixing their own bugs, enhancing their application and had to work full time to ensure their application would still work? That is what I speak about :)

      I remember reading an enterprise focused article about how that hurts Apple's enterprise potential badly on The Register but I can't find it now.

  2. Windows Vista? by abscissa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe if they announce Windows Vista at the WWDC it might actually materialise?

  3. Bets with salt by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Funny
    "...all bets are off until we see the checkered flag, so take with the requisite grain of salt."

    I think that the author should take the bull by the hand and avoid mixing metaphors.

    1. Re:Bets with salt by double-oh+three · · Score: 4, Interesting

      About TFA (Tying into the grammar thread of the parent), is it just me or is the interviewee a robot?

      Let us observe:
      Q. When will a Mac ship with a Blu-ray drive installed?
      A. Some are hopeful with Oct/Nov. Doubt it. 100% Blu-ray will be built-to-order in January 07.

      Q. Any changes to the iMac?

      A. Externally, the iMac is a homerun. No.

      Q. What Apple products will ship with the Intel Core 2 Duo chips?

      A. Only Intel and Steve know.

      Q. Any cool features expected in Leopard?

      A. General unification. Good-bye brushed metal. Mail and iCal integration. Stronger Front Row features. And as I said, more iChat.

      This person sounds a bit too... canned, short. Sentences. To be. Real.

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    2. Re:Bets with salt by bar-agent · · Score: 4, Funny

      "If we can hit that bulls-eye then all the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...checkmate!"

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    3. Re:Bets with salt by DarrylM · · Score: 3, Funny

      This person sounds a bit too... canned, short. Sentences. To be. Real.

      When did William Shatner become an Apple spokesperson?

      :-)

  4. Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBook? by mr_matticus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd love an Apple tablet with the same approximate specs as a MacBook (you could lose the optical drive, drop the camera, and use a slower processor and I wouldn't miss it). I'd happily pay the price for a base MacBook with these features, and I think even a small $50-100 price difference would be sufficient to keep sales high. Using MacBook parts (except for the touch display and enclosure) could help offset the high cost of a tablet.

  5. Worst rumor site ever by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you haven't bothered reading TFA, don't. It's sub-Mac-rumor-site rumors, complete with a (probably fictitious) phone conversation and cheesy backstory.

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  6. Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's interesting to see the hype and everyone excited about upcoming products lately. For Microsoft, I think it's because they're a de facto "standard" in the desktop and office products spaces. For Apple, it is more like they are known for coming out with very sexy, sleek products that are also easy to use. Too bad some of the free and open source projects don't benefit from this kind of free publicity. I guess you could almost count Firefox as being among the hype machines, but I would bet most of that is user-generated -- people who are fans of Firefox -- as opposed to pundits, industry people, etc.

    1. Re:Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by localman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, in my case it's because my girlfriend (well, wife) watches Apple with bated breath. I wish she paid attention to me like she does Steve Jobs!

      Cheers ;)

    2. Re:Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just a thought, but the problem might be that you have trouble remembering you're married...

    3. Re:Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1.) Apple is typically ahead of that "de facto standard" and tends to introduce features that end up in Microsoft's products (Vista is rife with Apple-isms, even down to the search field in the upper-right corner of Explorer windows, complete with a magnifying glass icon--straight out of OS X).

      2.) Apple actually ships its products, so it's exciting to get to see what cool new stuff you'll be able to get your hands on soon and not just read about for another 12 months like Vista.

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    4. Re:Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can think of three more reasons:

      (1) Steve Jobs is an exciting character in the land of the bland. It's always fun to watch the master go through his paces. And you can see how much he really loves and is excited by what he's selling. In this cynical age, all of this is rare.

      (2) Apple rarely disappoints. They always have interesting, fun products. The competition is drab and dull. Interesting and fun products trump drab and dull every time.

      (3) Because journalists like products that are interesting and fun, a lot of them buy Apple products for themselves, so they are interested as customers too.

      D

    5. Re:Why do people watch Apple with bated breath? by gig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft markets their products BEFORE they build them. Then they sign up some exclusive contracts with "partners" and finally they build something sort of like what they announced, drop a bunch of features, ship a bunch of crap.

      At Apple, they invent, design, and build a product, and then they do the marketing AFTER.

      It's very, very, very, very, different. The two methods lead to vastly different product lines.

  7. Working from current news and events by HaloZero · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Let's assume the following givens:
    • Introduction of the Core 2 Duo to the iNtel Mac lineup;
      • Conroe will be featured in the iMac and the new PowerMac; Quad capability may or may not be present...
      • Merom will be featured in the MacMini, the MacBook, and the MacBook Pro [evidence of meromac]
      • Woodcrest MAY be present in the next revision of the XServe and XServe RAID
    • Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
      • Point releases are traditionally announced at WWDC.
      • Point releases usually accompany upgrades.
      • Conroe, Merom, and Woodcrest bring x86_64 (EM64T) support, 10.5 should take advantage of it fully.
    • A bigger shift to the iMac line.
    • A shift to the iPod nano line (they've been killing off stock by giving the freaking things away with new Mac purchases).
    • Something less useless than the iPod Hi-Fi.
    Everything else is gravy. Don't count on an iPhone, Apple's not ready for that market. I think Motorola may be on hand to announce a sister to the ROKR and SLVR, something akin to the RAZR with a better capacity. And it will synch with iTunes via Bluetooth. We may also see a Bluetooth-enabled iPod. Stock TV Tuner support for the Mac Mini would also be expected, as would SLi/Crossfire for the MacPro.
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    1. Re:Working from current news and events by shawnce · · Score: 2, Informative
      Conroe will be featured in the iMac and the new PowerMac; Quad capability may or may not be present...


      Woodcrest could show up in the PowerMac replacement if Apple wants to make it a true workstation class system... and it would allow them to maintain a Quad core system. It comes down to price point and components costs. In the case of the iMac it would require no work for Apple to drop in a Merom, they may go with that in the short term (also Merom runs at nearly half the power consumption and heat output of Conroe).

      Woodcrest MAY be present in the next revision of the XServe and XServe RAID


      The Xserve RAID is a storage device, it has no need for a Woodcrest (Xeon 51xx) processor.

      Point releases are traditionally announced at WWDC.

      Apple already announced well over a month ago that at WWDC 2006 they would be talking about and showing off Mac OS X 10.5.
    2. Re:Working from current news and events by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Conroe will be featured in the iMac and the new PowerMac; Quad capability may or may not be present...

      I don't think it's safe to assume Conroe in PowerMacs/Mac Pros. I think it's much more likely they will use an all-Xeon lineup, using Woodcrest (the Xeon version of Core 2). I think this because I don't think they have any interest in inexpensive towers, and using Xeon chips is one of the things they'll have to do to justify towers starting at $2000.

      Conroe, Merom, and Woodcrest bring x86_64 (EM64T) support, 10.5 should take advantage of it fully.

      64-bit support on x86 is a lot harder than on PowerPC. PowerPC allows the kernel to remain 32-bit even with 64-bit applications, while x86 does not. They'll essentially be porting the kernel to another architechture, and as a result drivers will be broken etc. Also, they'll have to provide a translation layer for the kernel to continue to run 32-bit applications, which isn't trivial either. They have also yet to provide support for 64-bit GUI applications, which is necessary for things like Photoshop to get useful 64-bit support (a 64-bit worker process doesn't cut it for things like Photoshop, they stuff to run in the same address space).

      Basically, it isn't possible for them to have a production-ready x86-64 OS without a significant period spent in beta to debug the new kernel and application support, and to allow hardware vendors to update their drivers. This would, by necessity, be too large to keep secret.

      It is entirely possible that they will announce 64-bit support, and they might even pretend it's production ready, but there is very little chance of this being true. My guess is a 64-bit interim release some time after 10.5 has been released, like they did with 10.2 when G5s were released.
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    3. Re:Working from current news and events by FuturePastNow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, Conroe won't go in the iMac for power and thermal reasons. Merom is a drop-in replacement for Yonah, and the iMac has a socketed motherboard.

      The larger issue is with you, me, the grandparent, the article, and the retards who populate every Mac forum (MacRumors, I'm looking at you). We are all just making shit up. None of us knows what Apple's upcoming products are, and while "current news and events" can provide clues, Apple likes its surprises. I have a friend who works at Apple, and he can't tell me anything, because he only knows about his specific project. It's a very compartmentalized company, and anyone claiming to have the "inside scoop" is full of it.

      Sorry about the rant. Back to making shit up...

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    4. Re:Working from current news and events by FuturePastNow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, but you're wrong about that. It's in a socket, and there's nothing to prevent user upgrades except the general difficulty level involved in taking the thing apart. Saving on manufacturing and development costs is exactly the reason why.

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  8. Paging Strunk and White by eganloo · · Score: 3, Funny
    • "Apple's next move is always a hotbed of debate leading up to a product release and with all the rumors flying this year all bets are off until we see the checkered flag, so take with the requisite grain of salt."
    Meanwhile, it's full speed ahead for mixed metaphors!
    1. Re:Paging Strunk and White by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meanwhile, it's full speed ahead for mixed metaphors!

      Hey now, there's no need to be a wet blanket just because you're not ready to drink the Kool-ade. Some people are really revved up about the curtain being drawn back next week. I, for one, am on pins and needles while I'm holding my breath for the big fireworks.

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  9. Re:Windows Vista Nouveau 2004^h5^h6^h7... by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The NeXT Version of Windows(TM) has been announced at WWDC several times in history. Most recently, Longhorn was announced at WWDC 2005. The result in that instance was a name change and schedule slip.

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  10. I'd be concerned if my company did this... by anzev · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We're a silo. Apple employees find out about new products when they're being announced. Or online. Nobody knows anything."

    Frankly, I'd be concerned if I had a CEO that said "we will do this and that" and only then ask the developers who in the end will end up making them, if it is possible, how much it'll cost, etc.

    Also, just for a "side-comment", this is a common tactic in politics. They give a false informant to the press who leaks something out saying it's coming from a reliable source near the point of origin. Only part of it is usually true, and it's usually manipulated. I would bet that if Apple's empployees are in a silo and know nothing of what is being anounced, then how does this source know? Is she at the source? Is she making it up? Is she a plant by the marketing team to cause a stirr? I think this is the case. But that's just IMHO.

  11. Correction by blamanj · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a recent interview with DVD newsroom an ex-Apple employee talks WWDC rumors.

  12. More likely... by Mike+Peel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More likely is that we'll see updated powermacs and xserves, such that apple completes the intel changeover (promised a year ago), and Leopard. Maybe a "one more thing", say 64-bit support. It's a /developer/ conference, not a consumer show, so expect new stuff that will directly impact developers rather than consumers.

    Of course, things like a tablet and iPhone would be nice, but I really doubt it (at least, not yet).

  13. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by multimediavt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Drop the optical drive? How will you install the OS?

    Use a slower processor? Who would buy it?

    The whole reason that Windows-based tablets are starting to sell better is that they are now more comparable in performance and features to regular laptops. They have the pen functionality as a bonus. You will notice that there are no major manufacturers making slate-type Tablet PCs anymore, because they were too expensive and lacked the performance capabilities of a convertible-type tablet. The niche is just too small for a very application specific device; similar to the one you describe. Plus, how many tablets have sold to date? I went looking and from what I could find the 1 millionth one was sold in February of 2005, and we may be up to 3 million by now. That's not a lot of machines when you consider Apple sold over a million Macs in the last quarter.

    So, to answer your question, it will compete for sales because it will need to be just as capable a device with the added pen functionality. If the numbers (sales and dollars) won't support the product in the mix, there won't be a product from Apple.

  14. Re:Hoping for the iPod video update by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd like to transfer them to the video iPod

    Try plugging your iPod into your USB port. It happens automagically.

    watch it during a rail-commute

    Place your iPod in your hand. Get on trin. Sit. Turn on iPod. Select show. Watch.

    or plug it into a friends tv for playback.

    Attach small end of video cable to headphone jack. Attach other end to friend's TV. Set iPod TV output option to "on." Select video. Press play.

    Either you're the dumbest electronics customer in history, or you don't have an iPod and you're just trolling.

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  15. Thread farming? by PapayaSF · · Score: 3, Informative
    Back in April, the semi-reliable (rumor-wise and server-wise) Mac OS Rumors claimed that Leopard would have some pretty cool "thread farming" technology. I'll quote the whole page because their server is often down:

    A critical component of not only Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard," but also the Cocoa/Carbon for Windows package (more details in linked article above) will be new code co-developed with Intel that helps break up tasks into multiple threads -- therefore achieving considerably better efficiency on the next generation of multi-core Intel processors. The results we've seen on systems with up to 16 cores of Intel's next-generation "Conroe" desktop CPU architecture were amazing....with 10.4.6 as-is, the first core bears the vast majority of the workload particularly when only one or two resource-intensive apps are running.

    Even when lots of different applications, many of them efficiently multi-threaded, are run on 10.4.5 or 10.4.6 only the first two CPUs are used efficiently while the third and fourth are getting plenty of work....but aren't quite living up to their full potential. Each added core after four seems to drop off in efficiency....not because OS X doesn't handle lots of processors properly, it does. In fact it's an industry leader in terms of being ready for the next generation of multicore, multiprocessor technology. It has been since day one and Apple has consistently kept it at the leading edge since then.

    The problem is, simply, getting all of those core to have the maximum possible positive effect on the performance of each application. When simulating the realistic workloads of almost every kind of user, more than four cores rapidly lost any effect because there just weren't enough threads, efficiently enough balanced, to make good use of more CPU's.

    Leopard changes this in every way that Apple and Intel have been able to devise. The techniques employed include tricks that both companies have been holding at ready for years, and some new things that have been developed in the past year or so to specifically address the way the "Core" (Yonah, Merom and Napa-Merom) and Codename 'Conroe' architectures work. Most of it goes beyond our technical competency; we're sure that the folks at Ars Technica will have a lot to say about this in the next few months as more details leak about the hardware and software involved in these enhancements.

    Some, but certainly not all, of these techniques will eventually make their way into Intel's optimized in-house compilers. Some will even become part of the GCC compilers that are critical to building OS X and indeed most Xcode applications, eventually. But right now they are by and large highly experimental, being part of an operating system codebase that is not even quite "alpha" in terms of usability.

    That said, it's a thing of beauty to see 16 cores used with bizarrely perfect symmetry even when performing relatively simple tasks that have nearly no application-level threading in their collective codebases. 32 cores work nearly as well, and somehow manage to make tasks that would normally only max out one or two cores and be unable to go beyond that point, spread out across nearly all the CPU's with a beautiful cascade effect created for just such a demonstration in the Leopard version of Activity Monitor (just wait until you see all the 3D OpenGL visualizations that have been whippped up....but that's another article entirely and bordering on embargoed territory to boot!).
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    1. Re:Thread farming? by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, thread farming isn't that big a deal. All it really means is that in a multi-threaded process, you don't create and destroy threads, you keep a few of them around and idle in case you need them in the future. If Apple adds some explicit support for this in the frameworks, that's great, but you really can already do this today.

      If they go rather further and come up with some kind of auto-threading technology that spots opportunities for multithreading and spins off threads automagically, that would be very cool, but that's not what I would call thread farming. That would be more like auto-parallelization.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Thread farming? by sjf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Highly multi-threaded programs are the natural result of certain programming paradigms, such as the actor model.

      As an engineer who now concentrates on embedded programming, I can emphatically tell you that just because a programming model looks great on a Turing machine, it does not follow that it is useful on machines constrained by the laws of physics. Indeed the motivation for the actor model was the prospect of massivelly parallel systems: i.e. ones that would effectively have NO context switching since each thread is running on a seperate execution unit (and ideally one where message passing is free). NT/x86 would suck almost as badly.


      Bullshit.

      Calm down man. I'm practically agreeing with you.


      Virtual memory isn't implemented any more crudely in x86/NT than it is in OS X/PPC. The "crude" implementation certainly isn't a performance advantage. Indeed, x86 lacks many of the features that other architectures have for implementing fast context switches. For example, a context switch on x86 results in a TLB flush, because x86 lacks support for tagged TLBs.

      Well, perhaps this is a matter of taste. I don't think that the kernel is the right place for a window manager. I prefer OS X's true seperation of process address space, rather than NT's "low 2GB reserved for kernel" business. However, I'll grant you that NT's implementation is faster...it's also more prone to catastrophic failure. Yup, mach IPC is slow, but as a fan of the actor model, why should you care ? The point is, you have strong protection between processes. Sometimes you get away with invalid memory access on NT that ALWAYS cause acc-vios on OS X. I really do think that NT's model is more crude, for instance, kernel threads having to worry about the user mode context that they are executing in...just not an issue on OS X...on multiprocessor systems you have to worry MUCH less about which processor you are executing on...sure there's a performance cost, but surely the Mach approach is more elegant and useful to the programmer. How many times have you seen NT code that locks threads to a particular processor ? How many times have I had to do that on OS X ? Zero...

      Again, not that this is really a problem on the desktop, but I never claimed that it was. OS X is an excellent desktop OS with very good performance for desktop apps. It just so happens that the performance of the underlying kernel is largely irrelevent for desktop apps, so you can get away with a pretty shitty kernel (which Darwin is), as long as you have good userspace libraries (fast toolkits, etc).

      I pretty much agree with you. Although I'm not sure I'd call the kernel shitty, or if it is, it is just shitty in a different way than NT: Darwin: elegant/slow, NT: inelegant/fast

      Cheers, and goodnight.

  16. That means that the keynote would be by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny


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  17. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd love an Apple tablet

    Trouble is, you're rare enough that it's not worth doing. You can be sure that Apple is intensely aware of how the Tablet PCs are selling, and there just isn't that much demand for that form factor. It would take something compellingly different to make it fly, beyond just being a Mac without a keyboard. Now, if Samsung came up with a 300 DPI display or something to go with it, that might do the trick, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

    -jcr

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  18. Elevator Photos by Kenshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm still waiting for "elevator photos". The keynote hype is not complete until then.

    (Anyone who follows these things will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.)

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  19. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, actually the point was to save space and weight. I'd actually prefer a sliding keyboard to a clamshell notebook design, and Apple just might be the only company willing to go there.

    I still see no particular reason why Apple couldn't make a tablet AND the MacBook and have both sell well. The main issue is minimizing the "unique" parts of the tablet--by using as much stock componetry as possible from the MacBook, except for the unique display and case, and possibly a very slim Motorola RAZR style low-profile keyboard (with less tactile resistance on the keys, of course, to facilitate normal typing speeds and a Mighty Mouse-style audible click for user feedback, since the keys wouldn't feel like they've moved much). By keeping the price just slightly below that of the MacBook, it wouldn't cannibalize sales--Apple would make money with either purchase.

    I don't expect the $599 price that TFA seems to suggest Apple wants. I want the "typical" notebook reinvented. I'm willing to accept a 3-400MHz slower processor to help offset the higher cost of the touch interface and to lower power requirements. I'm willing to lose the integrated optical drive because it's as useless to me as a 56k modem (which has become a USB accessory itself)--an external unit for the one time a year most people use it would work fine...or even no optical drive at all in favor of remote installation software, like used with a PDA. If I can push OS updates to the tablet from my other Macs or PCs, I'm set.

    Ultimately, the tablet wouldn't compete with the MacBook any more than the Mac mini does. They're for different markets all around (mini for the budget-minded person who doesn't care about road use; MacBook for the thrifty road warrior/student; tablet for the technophile/professional/multimedia junkie who wants a full-powered, big screened PDA). I'll never buy a MacBook (I already have a PowerBook), but I'd immediately hand over close to the same amount of money for a thoughtfully-designed tablet without a clamshell hinge.

  20. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple's the company that can make these things work.

    They tried. Remember the Newton?

    The thing is, anytime Apple launches a new product they gamble not only the development money, but a large portion of their reputation. iPod paid off, Newton didn't, and so forth. When Apple introduced the iPod, there was clearly a market for music players, and they were able to do it far better than the competion. When it comes to making a tablet, the decision must include at least the following considerations: 1) how many people want it: Thousands or millions? 2) Can Apple completely blow the other players away, and make a major technical leap? Apple's handwriting recognition is good, but is it that much better than any of the others? 3) How does it play with the Mac, and enhance the market position of their core products?

    You may want such a device, but until millions of people want it, Apple may well be better off working on whatever it is they've already got in the pipeline for the next year and a half.

    Heck, I'd love to see Apple sell a true 1080p HD portable projector, but if only five thousand people want it they'd lose money doing it.

    -jcr

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  21. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    jcr wrote:
    Trouble is, you're rare enough that it's not worth doing. You can be sure that Apple is intensely aware of how the Tablet PCs are selling, and there just isn't that much demand for that form factor. It would take something compellingly different to make it fly, beyond just being a Mac without a keyboard. Now, if Samsung came up with a 300 DPI display or something to go with it, that might do the trick, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

    Despite the low numbers, Apple could be very interseted in who the tablets are sold to rather than the quantities. Tablets are an expensive luxury form of portable craved by doctors, lawyers, and salesmen. Anyone who likes the "walk softly and carry mean clipboard" look as a form of function or authority will want a tablet just because of the form factor.

    A gynecologist friend of mine has a Windows Tablet PC and hates it because of the crashing and small resolution, but he carries it because he doesn't look like a "troll or jeweler hunched over a laptop". He'll write on paper before he'll use a conventional laptop when he's with a patient. Apple is very good at making form factors everyone drools over. Even if the Mac Tablet is only a doctor's "data entry" PC it could be quite a lucrative market that would inspire many more sales.

    The development side is risky, but Apple already has much IP that a tablet could benefit from. They've been pushing alternate input for a while in Mac OS X: Inkwell hand recognition, Voice recognition, Universal Access, and other technologies are already there. Apple has patents on areas of parallax compensation, handwriting recognition, and a whole lot more left over from the Newton. The rumored "resolution independence" for Quartz could solve one of the biggest problems of other PC tablets. As far as the hardware goes, it would require a new production process but only a few parts that aren't already bought in bulk for other Apple items. Again, it all seems to come down to the form factor.

    If Apple gets into this area, my bet is that they will live or die on the form factor much more than on the OS features or even price. This is a very lucrative audience and Apple has lots of experience making, pricing, and selling machines to these audiences.

  22. Article is a bunch of BS!!! by DittoBox · · Score: 3, Funny

    At the end of the article

    At that point my Apple Confidante's phone went dead. Shaking, I heard the dial tone.
    AFAIC, this article is a made-up bunch of dog crap. When the other party hangs up on a land-line you don't get a dial-tone afterwards, just a black line. The dial-tone only comes after you've hung-up and picked up the phone again. That's my experience on all phones I've ever used.
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  23. What Apple really needs... by Carpe+PM · · Score: 4, Funny

    A realistic-looking accounting system. Enough to convince the SEC.

  24. Re:Why does the tablet have to compete with MacBoo by Carthag · · Score: 2, Funny
    A gynecologist friend of mine has a Windows Tablet PC and hates it because of the crashing and small resolution, but he carries it because he doesn't look like a "troll or jeweler hunched over a laptop". He'll write on paper before he'll use a conventional laptop when he's with a patient. Apple is very good at making form factors everyone drools over.

    I don't think anyone would want their gynecologist drooling at work ;)

  25. Re:Webcast by blzabub · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe Apple no longer has a live webcast of the WWDC. You can see a text-only live webcast here at MacRumors.