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Mac Pro, Mac OS X Virtual Desktops Announced at WWDC

haym37 writes "Of the many announcements yet to come at WWDC, the first is the announcement of the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro contains two Intel Xeons, up to 3 GHz, and is supposed to be 1.6x to 2.1x the speed of the PowerMac G5 quad. It can hold up to 2 TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory. The graphics card can be up to a Radeon x1900 or an FX4500. The case will be the same as the PowerMac." MacRumors.com is providing running coverage from the floor (Note: "[U]pdates will be automatically inserted at the top of the updates section. Do not reload manually."), including another announcement that OS X will include virtual desktops. What a great idea!

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  1. My keynote thoughts so far... by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll go through my impressions mostly in order (I'm writing this in TextEdit as I follow the keynote). Not much surprise in the Mac Pro department (although it's nice to hear that they are actually cheaper). The pure 64-bit OS was predicted and is unsurprising. I like the little jabs at Microsoft. It's one thing to say "MS steals from us" but to put up comparison shots is just great, after all the features are just implemented so closely. The price comparisons were neat, but I wonder how long they will hold (I don't think Dell will take it in stride, their prices will get adjusted I'm betting).

    I've gotta say I love the idea of Time Machine. I'm glad they put that in there. Considering how little hard drive space the average person uses compared to how much space is in new computers, this is an excellent feature. Now I don't have to use some stupid 3rd party program any more. I question the interface a little though.

    They are building Front Row into Leopard. That's kind of neat, although I don't see myself using it right now. Still, if I was in a dorm and had my iMac or something I bet it would be great.

    Spaces! Seems like the true virtual desktops that everyone has been asking for. I like the idea that you can pre-create a space and then launch it and it will bring those apps up (if I'm reading about it right). That would be fantastic.

    I'm glad they improved Spotlight. It is a tiny bit pokey on my 1.67 GHz G4. To use it as an application launcher is great. I used it that way for a while but it was just too slow, so I started using Quicksilver (although I don't use any of QS's advanced features). The ability to search across your home network is KILLER and would save my parents SO MUCH TIME from how they do things on Windows.

    CoreAnimation looks interesting and I bet a few people will do some incredible stuff with it, although it's also one of those features I can see being abused. I found it very interesting they promoted Universal Access. You never hear about that in the Windows world (I know it's there, it just doesn't ever seem to be talked about on mainstream sites).

    Moving ToDos into Mail is interesting. The idea that ToDos can be moved into multiple applications and they all talk with the same database is quite nice. I'm sure quite a few people will like the stationary idea, but to me e-mail is best as plain text. I can only see that ending up like looking at my little sister's AIM conversations. You want to talk about eye-bleeding-color-schemes (and they say men have no sense of color). Notes is great too. I've been using the scheme that I've used since I was on Windows (type them out in TextEdit or NotePad and just save 'em). Still, having the pictures in there well and making it look like the iWeb templates is nice. I haven't seen any other e-mail software really try something like that (not that I've looked).

    Note: iWeb needs a SERIOUS update. It really proves the "Apple 1.0" theory.

    I've got to say, these improvements to iCal and iMail just make me want a new Newton all the more. My Windows Mobile 2k3 device is just so clunky compared to iCal or the Newtons of olde.

    Web Clip looks killer. That is just a great feature. I have quite a few sites where I only look at one little portion and to be able to bring up Dashboard and see that portion would be great. Only Apple seems to make it that easy for an end user. Why go search to see if someone has made the widget you need when you can do it yourself so easily? "See Grandma, computers aren't so scary."

    Being able to show photos to people over an iChat chat is great.

    My only real complaints with OS X as it is now are kind of minor. Dashboard sucks up WAY too much CPU (especially when starting). I'd like to see finder be multi-threaded, you can occasionally see it need it. I'd like to see a special button put on the MacBooks to activate Expose. Using F9-F12 is clumsy when F9 and F10 are already bound to something else and you have to hit "function". Using the screen corners just c

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    1. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by also-rr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dashboard sucks up WAY too much CPU (especially when starting)

      Are you sure it's Dashboard and not the widgets? I installed SuperKaramba and a few changes to the widget files dropped CPU usage from 30%+ to under 1%.

      If the widgets for Dashboard are also written by non-programmers they may be suffering from the same problems of polling too frequently. Why on earth do you need to update a display of how much hard disk space there is available every 100ms anyway!

    2. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by vought · · Score: 5, Informative

      Timemachine? Gee Windows XP has had that feature for quite a while...


      Apple's appears to be a versioning file system, rather than a "save everything in a hidden partition every x days" hack.

      But thanks for letting us know how great XP is.

    3. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by yabos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is nothing like System Restore. Please read about it before commenting. This is a versioning system for your whole computer or probably for specific folders you want it to watch. You can save over your file by accident and use TimeMachine to get the old version back. Can't do that with SystemRestore. SystemRestore only works for system updates and program installations, not all your documents. Also if you delete a file and later decide you want it back you can do this with TimeMachine. Can't do that with System Restore. It's also not like shadow copy or the Backup utility in WinXP because it works with different versions of specific files and you can choose to recover only a single file instead of restoring the whole thing. Plus you can easily preview the backed up file before restoring it.

  2. Photocopied! by bandrzej · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About time with the virtual windows! Took them long enough...all other major *nix based window managers have them. Makes their "photocopying" comment at WWDC seem double edged, eh?

    Too bad about natural virtualization in OS X though. At least VM Ware is now coming to the party.

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    1. Re:Photocopied! by mblase · · Score: 5, Informative

      About time with the virtual windows! Took them long enough...all other major *nix based window managers have them. Makes their "photocopying" comment at WWDC seem double edged, eh?

      In all fairness, Leopard's Spaces implementation looks like a quantum improvement on other virtual desktop managers I've used. (Granted, it's been awhile since I tried any since I was never very satisfied.) None of the other VDMs I recall were quite "Mac-like" enough--by that I don't mean flashy and animated, but easy to use and understand.

      They borrowed some design ideas from Exposé, it looks like; you can view all four of your desktops at once; you can drag-and-drop windows from one to the other; and they all use the same Dock instead of using different Docks for each desktop, which is the one thing I always wanted.

      See also Leopard's Time Machine. There's a dozen ways you could make this kind of backup-restore tool just as functional; you could probably make it flashy and animated a dozen different ways as well. Leopard's approach uses just enough flashiness to make it easy-to-use.

  3. I'll take a better kbd driver for Windows XP by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm loving Boot Camp and the ability to use my Macbook Pro at home (OS X) and work (Windows XP). I had to use Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit to remap the right-hand Command key into a "delete" button so I could log into our domain...and I don't have the ability to use home/end/pgup/pgdown by depressing the fn key...which is OK since I use a bluetooth keyboard at work anyway. However, if I get some indication from Apple that they're going to provide full keyboard support for their notebooks under Windows XP, I'm definitely going to upgrade to Leopard.

  4. Why criticise? by also-rr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good features *should* be copied from operating system to operating system - that way everyone gets the best of what is available! Who cares who invented it first, as long as people are implimenting the slickest ideas and improving on them where possible.

    I just hope they get around to copying window shading, window tabbing and focus on mouse as fast as possible.

  5. Damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    looks like Vista is gonna be delayed another 4 months now.

  6. Best Quote by ericdano · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Don't want Redmond's photocopiers started too early"

    Seriously. Steve is smart NOT to show off every little detail of 10.5. Look at Microsoft, they promised so much in Longhorn/Vista, then take things out.

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  7. Minor Quibble... by e4g4 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The case will be the same as the PowerMac

    The outside of the case is almost the same as the G5 case...the inside is completely different, and has a pretty sweet setup for the drive bays, not to mention the 8 ram slots and room for a full length graphics card.
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  8. 30" Cinema Display price reduction by cheezycrust · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 30 inch Cinema Display has it's price reduced from $2499 to $1999. I don't think this was said on the keynote, but you can see it on the website.

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  9. Sounds like a nice GUI for versioning though by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree, Time Machine sounds like just VMS file versioning - but I wouldn't discount Apple bringing a lot of good UI on top of that. There's a lot of value into bringing versioning to people who otherwise would not be able to use it.

    I was actually pretty glad to see Time Machine as the file versioning coming in Vista was the one thing I was wishing I could get in Leopord, and did not expect to see.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a nice GUI for versioning though by sp67 · · Score: 5, Informative

      VMS? Try RSX-11M - that's mid '70s for you young boys and gals.
      Yup, everytime you saved a file you'd get a new version; if I saved file.ext, I actually got something like file.ext;17, and accessing file.ext would get the latest version, in this case 17. You had commands to purge files or entire directories - that is, delete everything but the latest version.
      And this at a time where a 40MB hard-disk was a beast the size of a washing machine. I can't believe I had to wait about 30 years to get this nice little feature back... oh wait, we just got a preview, I'll have to wait a little longer to get my hands on it.

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  10. Re:I'm a mac fanboy but by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not much of a time machine if it can't go into the future and retrieve the documents I haven't written yet.

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  11. world wide DEVELOPER conference by k2r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and nobody's talking about

    "xcode 3.0 released today" ...

    k2r

  12. Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at History, please.

    When Apple adopted the G3 in the PowerMac, they kept the Beige style case for a generation before releasing the B&W G3 case.
    When Apple adopted the G4 in the PowerMac, they kept the G3 style case but changed it's color to silver
    When Apple moved to the G5 PowerMac they moved to a new style case, but now that they have switched to Intel they kept the G5 style case (at least for now)

    When Apple released a new iBook, it was with a G3; it was upgraded to the G4 with no real changes, and then when they moved to the Intel CPU it remained essentially the same, with only the keyboard being brand new.

    The PowerBooks tell a similar story, moving to Titanium with the G4, then aluminum for several generations, the keeping the aluminum with the switch to Intel.

    There is a reason to not redesign something: Less bugs, less cost, higher reliability. Wait until they work out all the kinks with the new CPUs, motherboards, and electrics, then introduce a new case with new problems.

  13. And... iCal by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's face it, folks. The open source community has been a FAILURE when it comes to beating Exchange & Outlook at calendaring. Don't waste my time with Mozilla "Lightning" or Sunbird. They have managed to create exactly *dick* in the past few years. (See my previous posts about it.)

    Here comes iCal, doing everything that Sunbird should have done several years ago. Here is the first chance at an "Outlook killer." Mail 3 & iCal = notes, to do, free/busy scheduling, auto scheduling, resource scheduling..

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ical.html

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