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Computer Manages Restaurant Workers

9x320 writes "The chicken restaurant chain Zaxby's has started to use computers with software by Hyperactive Technologies to direct employees what to do and when to do it, and to decide how many should come to work. The computer works through the use of sensors, analysis of historic data, and touchscreens. The article compares the software to that in a science fiction novel published only just a few years ago, except the computer, Manna, also carried a voice synthesizer."

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  1. I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new computer overlords.

    1. Re:I for one... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously, you never worked in a resturant when the computer system goes down. It's funny as heck. The wait staff has to learn how to count money (although their ability to calculate the tip is not diminished). The line cooks can't read handwriting (even in Spanish!) for orders. Bartenders stick their head in ice since they haven't memorized how do any drinks that isn't straight off the tap. Managers are threatening to fire anyone if their table leaves without paying.

      As Scotty said in Star Trek 3: "The more complex the plumbing, the easier to clog the drain." Ahh, matey, I welcome our computer overlods for a very different reason. :P

    2. Re:I for one... by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Redundant?

      How about "All your bouillabaisse are belong to us"?

    3. Re:I for one... by Abreu · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Las Vegas casinos, the bartenders dont prepare the drinks, they merely charge for them and punch a sequence in the terminals in front of them, and a computer mixes liqueurs and blenders from precisely controlled taps and pours the drink through the same tubing... The tubing is then flushed with water between servings to avoid combining tastes.

      So the "bartender" only has to know how much ice (if any) to add and what type of glass is used for each drink

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    4. Re:I for one... by willfe · · Score: 2
      Of course, everyone has a big book of cocktail recipes at home.

      Well, the aspiring bartenders, at least...

      Smart individuals don't work behind bars, and the day a barman needs to bring recipe books to work in case the computer goes down is the day the world has gone mad.

      Cool. The world's gone mad, as the parent is describing precisely this.

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  2. The matrix is breaking down today. by random+coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    First all the "news photos" that are badly implemented by the matrix that they look like bad photoshops; now we see computer overlords directing food store employees. Next thing you know you'll see the same cat twice.

  3. Hey by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    The computer directed me to round up all the neighborhood dogs - I'm just doing what it says, something about compensating for supply defeciency.

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    1. Re:Hey by bahwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's funny, but it's true. I hate when restaurants are, "We're out of avocado" or whatever. There's a grocery store less than a mile from here, can you get the manager off his ass to go get some real quick? Or better yet, when there's only two left and deliveries are in 2 days.

  4. Mmmm..Yeah.. by mesmartyoudumb · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're going to need you to go ahead come in on saturday, Mmm..kay?

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  5. Error: Need. More. Flair. by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

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  6. Great... by raydobbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now we go from management that acts like robots, to robots that... well, you get the idea.

    We don't need this kind of heavy-handed management, we need more people who can manage and work with their company's talent - just not tell them to move around, and generally act like robots.

    I'd imagine that some chains WILL adopt this technology, but people will not take it well to be ordered around, hired and fired, and generally live their lives around the whims of some computer program.

    Management is more than telling people what to do, and when to do it - you need to act as a leader as well as a stablizing force in the workplace. A PC running this slave-driver software does neither.

    1. Re:Great... by CXI · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, that's exactly what we need. Someone to manage a fast food restaurant's talent. After all, the one thing every fast food manager looks for is an employee who will step outside of the box and innovate! Someone who will try new things with the franchise, even at the possibility of lost sales, for the larger return in the future!

      End sarcasm. Get a grip on reality. Fast food service is nothing but robotic work already, and that's the way the chains like it. If you don't want to be a robot, get a job somewhere else.

    2. Re:Great... by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Fast food service is nothing but robotic work already, and that's the way the chains like it.

      I hate to break it to you, but the reason that it's so robotic isn't because the chains like it that way, it's because customers prefer it that way.

      One of the reasons that fast food chains were so popular in the beginning was because the food was prepared the same way no matter where someone went. It might not have been the greatest food on earth, but it was consistent. It's much the same way today - otherwise, why would fast food restaurants stay so popular? There are thousands of places to eat when traveling, so why would people go to Burger King, Wendys, KFC (whatever that means nowdays) or any other fast food place when there are far better places to eat?

      When I worked at McDonalds a bunch of years ago, our manager decided to change the menu a little: we would put lettuce on hamburgers, Mac sauce on Filets, anything that the customer wanted. Some customers loved it. McDonalds hated it. Most customers ordered exactly what they were used to. McDonalds eventually heard about it and clamped down (changes to their menu were forbidden in the franchise agreement).

      Were customers happer about the change? It didn't seem so. They seemed more confused than anything - they knew what they wanted when they came in and they weren't really thinking about what they wanted on it.

    3. Re:Great... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      we need more people who can manage and work with their company's talent

      Talent? We're talking about fast food here.

      The only reason they have people working in the back of a McDonalds/Zaxbys/whatever is because people are cheaper than machines. It's tough to program a robot to assemble burgers effeciently (dealing with mis-shapen patties, etc.).

      The only reason that any of those people have jobs is because the cost of the machine that would replace them, costs more than the stream of cash that they're paid. (That is to say, the present value of the income stream which is their salary, is less than the upfront purchase cost plus maintaince costs of a machine.)

      When machines get better at doing things, so that they're the cheaper option, they do the jobs instead of people.

      What's ironic here is that it's the manager's job that's being computerized before the burger-boy's one.

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    4. Re:Great... by dthree · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What's ironic here is that it's the manager's job that's being computerized before the burger-boy's one."

      That doesn't surprise me at all. So many places (and I don't mean just fast food) practice "management-by-binder" that having a manager that can actually think on their feet is considered a liability to them. Its a easy leap to replace the manager/binder with a computer terminal. The trouble with this method is that the people writing the binders usually haven't ever worked in the stores and have no experience at all with their own customers or the client-facing employees. It reminds me of the beginning of Snowcrash when a fire broke out in the pizza shop. The manager was frantically flipping through the binder to find the official corporate policy and procedures for "fire".

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    5. Re:Great... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "One of the reasons that fast food chains were so popular in the beginning was because the food was prepared the same way no matter where someone went."

      I rarely eat fast food....hell, I rarely eat at chain restaurants, but, have more in the past year due to being displaced by katrina. In New Orleans, you have a far larger number of locally owned restaurants...and though there are some chains...they are local chains. I lived near Lakeview...and there wasn't a McD's for miles from me.

      Anyway, I've had to move and live around a lot since then..and have had to eat some fast food more than I've eaten in years. I was amazed at things. The Burger Kind whopper...when did that fucker shrink down so much? I remember when Wendy's used to resemble a real home made burger a bit more.

      About the only fast foods I hit ever are the occasionally Taco Bell....and Popeye's fried chicken. And I can only take just so much of those. With the hits I've had to make at FF joints recently...I ask myself, why in the HELL do so many people eat at these places all the time? Do people not know what good food is any more? Does anyone not know how to took a home cooked meal any more?

      But, then, I got some answers. No, people don't know how to cook. Hell, I've had to teach my last few girlfriend's how to cook. I stayed with a married friend of mine, and I was shocked to see how many nights of the week she brought home fast food for her and the 2 kids. I know working parents are busy, but, c'mon, I grew up with working parents, and we had home cooked meals almost every night...some fresh, some from leftovers. Hell one reason I know how to cook, is when I got old enough, Mom had me in there to help cook.

      I LOVE to dine out, don't get me wrong, but, rather than nickle and dime it (and it isn't really that cheap anymore) on fast food, I'd much rather save up, and go out on a weekend night, and drop some real cash at a restaurant with real seats, china, wait staff....and get this, real FOOD!! And I don't mean at a chain restaurant like TGIF or Bennegan's...

      I dunno...my eyes were opened...I had no idea the food problem was so bad with the general populace...no wonder people and their kids are so fat and in poor health....

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    6. Re:Great... by siriuskase · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Management is more than telling people what to do, and when to do it - you need to act as a leader as well as a stablizing force in the workplace. A PC running this slave-driver software does neither.

      Our assistant pastor explained this to me, his weekday job was managing a Wendy's. I remarked that was a strange choice for a man with his seminary education. He replied not at all, that to his way of thinking, it was mainly a ministry to his employees. Although his Wendy's was at least as good as any other Wendy's, he had hired quite a collection of people who needed a second, third, or fourth chance. It was all people skills, and practically nothing an MBA would want to get involved with on a daily basis.

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    7. Re:Great... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
      Fast food service is nothing but robotic work already, and that's the way the chains like it.
       
      I hate to break it to you, but the reason that it's so robotic isn't because the chains like it that way, it's because customers prefer it that way.

      Burger King, Wendy's and Subway - all make considerable money by offering food that *isn't* handled in a robotic way. Your beliefs are warped by working at McDonalds, which makes its money on absolute conformity and discourages special orders.
       
       
      When I worked at McDonalds a bunch of years ago, our manager decided to change the menu a little: we would put lettuce on hamburgers, Mac sauce on Filets, anything that the customer wanted. Some customers loved it. McDonalds hated it. Most customers ordered exactly what they were used to. McDonalds eventually heard about it and clamped down (changes to their menu were forbidden in the franchise agreement).

      Actually - thats not quite correct. McDonald's openly solicts *new* menu and system items from the franchises - both the Quarter Pounder and the McFish came from franchisees. (So did the drive-through window.) What you aren't allowed to do is to change existing menu items.
       
       
      Were customers happer about the change? It didn't seem so. They seemed more confused than anything - they knew what they wanted when they came in and they weren't really thinking about what they wanted on it.

      There should have been little surprise at that outcome - as McDonalds has been 'training' it's customers to behave that way for decades.
  7. Very scary by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I read Manna I thought it was more a work of horror then sci-fi kind of like Event Horizon, now it's coming true, very scary indeed.

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  8. This is a wonderful idea by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the problems with managers is that they are human and thus irrational. The computer will not play solitaire and go golfing instead of developing the end-year financials. It will not continually direct the weakest employees to the most critical jobs. Hell, it will probably be smart enough not to schedule the weakest employees on the businest days, which would be a fucking miracle compared, apparently, to most fast-food managers. It wouldn't schedule people for a training shift on those days, either.

    By all means, let the computer run the people in this case. The people are mostly doing jobs that computer could do better anyway. McDonalds uses french-fry making robots in its busiest locations and they knock the humans right out of the box. The only reason they don't use them everywhere is that they're expensive to install and probably to maintain whereas when part-time workers get sick or sloppy you just shitcan them and bring in another underachiever. Regardless, sooner or later the only people actually working in fast food will be truck drivers and machine repairmen.

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    1. Re:This is a wonderful idea by apflwr3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the problems with managers is that they are human and thus irrational. The computer will not play solitaire and go golfing instead of developing the end-year financials. It will not continually direct the weakest employees to the most critical jobs. Hell, it will probably be smart enough not to schedule the weakest employees on the businest days, which would be a fucking miracle compared, apparently, to most fast-food managers. It wouldn't schedule people for a training shift on those days, either.

      I think you're missing the fact that workers and customers are human and irrational, too. A manager is not just a guy who sets the work schedules. He or she is also a customer service rep (if anything goes wrong with their dining experience the customer is going to him) and a baby sitter (since minimum wage workers have a tendency to get away with whatever they can.) A computer can't make sure the employees aren't being rude to customers, that they're really washing their hands or that they're not spitting in someone's burger. A computer won't notice if the guy at the register is acting nervous because he figured out a "foolproof" way to steal from the till. A computer will always have "a system" that can be exploited and you can bet employees will quickly figure out how.

      A manager is also needed for crisis management. Say someone slips and falls, or an employee accidently sticks his hand in the fryer. The manager has to figure out how to handle the situation immediately-- not just to help the injured party, but to protect the company as much as possible from lawsuits (or just bad P.R.)

      What this program could do is eliminate some managerial positions (e.g., most franchises have a one to three managers and two or three times that many assistant managers; with this program they may only need one manager for several branches and one assistant per shift on site.) But there will always be a need for someone to be there, and be in charge.

    2. Re:This is a wonderful idea by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. Realitically a computer could never do a managers job. But it can do a fine dandy job or schedule management, even inventory management. This will free the managers time to actually do what he does best, act human. (ie help customers, encourage staff, etc)

    3. Re:This is a wonderful idea by jamaalthegreat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fry making robots? I've haven't seen those but at my closest McDonalds they have an automated drink filling machine for the drive-thru. Its connected to the order system so when someone orders a #4 with a coke a cup is automatically droped out, filled with ice and soda and is ready for serving to a customer.

      I always wondered if there were other automated things at McDonalds and now I know.

  9. Re:Mindless work? by packeteer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its not about how good or how bad this is. Its about how this is CHEAPER.

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  10. Re:Error: Need. More. Flair. by Nos. · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whoever modded this down, its a reference to Office Space, and the "flair" that workers at their breakfast coffee spot had to wear.

  11. Bad things are afoot by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Funny

    Overheard behind the counter: "I'm sorry Bob, I can't allow you to jeopardize the restaurant. This conversation can serve no useful purpose. Goodbye."

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  12. Asimov didn't write his laws for customer service by 27,000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    customers_suck threatens to get way funnier.

    What, no breakfast at 11:30? I demand to speak to your manager!
    I don't think you want--
    I'm the customer, I'm always right, and I get speak to your manager now!
    Okay, but I warned you...
    BEEP BEEP FREE BEATINGS FOR MEAT BEINGS

    Suddenly 'Hoboken, NJ versus Giant Robot' gets a lot funnier.

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  13. Re:That's great and all... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But good luck getting a bunch of minimum wage high school emplyees to take directions from a computer. Managers have a hard enough time keeping them in line.

    When I worked at a Sonic Drive In in 1985-6, we teens weren't any less lazy than the ones today (despite what we tell our teens now). While flipping burgers and dropping fries, I thought about my TRS-80 Model I and my new Model 100, and had a brainstorm. What if the girl at the microphone had a computer terminal, and hit a key for each food item, and then -- get this -- the order would display on a screen in the kitchen! I think I got a pretty good reception for the idea, since I'd just wowed my co-workers and the 20-something manager with the voice synthesizer I'd built for the Model 100.

    But nobody thought it would work:

    * The heat and grease would kill the electronics.
    * Where do you mount a big ol' TV monitor?
    * You'll never be able to train the cooks -- they can barely figure out the french fry timer.
    * You'll never be able to train the order-takers -- they can barely figure out the bank of speaker switches.
    * Special orders would be impossible.
    * What's wrong with the slips of paper with orders written on them (#1 HB +O -P)?

    I've often wondered two things. One, shouldn't I be a freakin' gazillionaire by now? Two, what's going to be the Next Big Thing in the minimum-wage kitchen. This may -- or may not -- be it.

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  14. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

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  15. Re:That's great and all... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Funny

    Step 1: Go to patent office
    Step 2: Say what you just told us, and that you would like to copyright it.
    Step 3: When officer opens his mouth to say "but that's already been...", quick add "no no, I meant on the internet!
    Step 4: Profit.

  16. Re:Asimov didn't write his laws for customer servi by VorpalRodent · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I like the concept of rewriting Asimov's laws for customer service, except that the order in which they would be written would have to be reversed so that the precedence still worked properly.

    1. The franchisee is always right.

    2. The use of burgers must be done in the most efficient manner possible, so long as this does not conflict with Rule #1.

    3. The customer is always right, so long as he does not conflict with Rules #1 & 2.

    Really, any laws could be inserted in Rule 1 and 2, but "The customer is always right" would have to be at the bottom, lest the Asimov-esque robo-McManager happily comply with the demand for "free burgers and fries for all".

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  17. Re:Seriously by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ever actually been to a Zaxby's? There's nothing fast about it. Don't go there if you're hungry, because you'll be ready to kill and eat the counter girl before they get your food ready.

    To me this just screams corporate snafu. I can hear the boardroom conversation right now:

    "Holy cow Bob, we're getting zillions of complaints about our extremely slow food process, should we tell the workers it's okay to put a little extra chicken in the fryer during lunch rush?"

    "WHAT?!? Our customers depend on our promise to never ever ever start making any piece of food before they order it!"

    "But...Bob, that's what everyone is complain..."

    "No no, what we need is a huge computer system. And hookers."

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  18. Re:Orders by VorpalRodent · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It looks like you're trying to make some fries. Would you like step-by-step instructions?"

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  19. The real website, "Humans not Included", is scary. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Getting past the blogodreck, the real website of Hyperactive Bob is scary. "Managing Chaos (Humans Not Included)". This is a robot scheduling and control system from CMU, originally developed to manage groups of robots in factories. In this application, people are substituted for the robots to lower costs. Really. "The kitchen is quiet with Bob", because employees no longer need to talk. "80% reduction in training costs" for kitchen staff.

    The system (which is physically a PC, some cameras, some touchscreens, and a link into the POS system) takes about two days to install. Then it watches everything for two weeks, while it learns the customer and staff patterns.

    Then it takes over.

    People should work. Machines should think.

  20. Re:Seriously by thesandtiger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It isn't that it's so difficult - it's that it's so easy. Fast food restaurants are pretty predictable environments for many of the tasks of a manager: Scheduling worker's shifts, determining how much of what needs to be cooked when, organizing inventory, etc. A simple program using a bit of historical data would be able to handle much of that, while an intelligent inventory management system can handle the rest.

    For things that a computer cannot handle, such as dispute resolution or angry customers - a change in policy allowing employees a bit more latitude in handling customer complaints or a centralized number for disgruntled customers to contact would handle quite a bit. For disputes, a single trained mediator could handle disputes arising across a wide region. To keep employees from slacking off too much, random inspections (but at least once a week) could be done - someone goes into a place and spends an hour going over a checklist.

    From an expense standpoint, this would also be cheaper - no manager salaries, no assistant manager salaries. From an employee standpoint, this would be a win: service employees would be able to take a more direct approach to handling customer issues, and would need to spend less time dealing with stupid dictator manager-guy at what is already a shit job.

    Personally, I think this is exactly the kind of place to do this.

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  21. Re:That's great and all... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Shouldn't I be a freakin' gazillionaire by now?

    As usual, the devil is in the details. Your little home computers DID have many of the problems you mentioned. They weren't built for the environment, so the environment was going to kill them. And where DO you mount that monitor? Sitting it atop a surface is a good way to get it knocked off. And how will an uneducated user manage to type fast enough to enter the order?

    The people who are gazillionaires right now are the ones who found solutions to these problems. They built the ruggedized equipment, created the necessary ceiling mounts, developed the picture-based touch screens for the illiterate employees, and broke down the components of a special order to make it digestable by a computer. They then set out to prove these designs, fighting wave after wave of broken and scarred hardware. Ideas that seemed good at the time didn't work out in practice. Financial losses were heavy with the first models, but the kinks were slowly worked out.

    Today, nearly every restaurant in existance uses a digital register system of some sort. All because enterprising individuals invested the hard work and the capital to make it happen. ;-)
  22. Re:That's great and all... by diodeus · · Score: 2, Funny

    We already had that kind of system at Buger Thing in the early 80s. It used printing terminals at each workstation. The cash registers were these massive array of buttons. You chould key in special orders, such as, "whopper + extra onions", or "coke + no ice".

    Of course the system was pretty brain dead, so you could also enter "whopper + extra ice" or "coke + extra mustard", which was always fun on a busy saturday afternoon.

    One April Fool's day the manager swapped staff member's names for the products. Dave was the Whopper. Jenny was the Chicken Sandwich. It was kinda funny watching them come up on the terminals. Not as funny as tossing a handful of ice into the deep fryer when a new hire was stationed there, but pretty funny.

  23. Didn't work in 1998 by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Zehrs (a local supermarket chain in southern ontario) attempted to use software to schedule employee shifts back in the late 90's while I was lucky enough to work there. It ended up being a massively confusing schedule with no logic to it, and was constantly over/under staffing shifts. No software out there is capable of predicting work conditions as well as someone who has experience.

    All the past data and statistics will not prepare you for the shopping frenzy that occurs when a thunderstorm hits. I recall 20-30% increase in customer volume when the weather was poor. That's just one outside factor... the software maybe able to account for that by checking the weather forecast, but it can't account for other factors like a show being canceled on TV, or a construction detour increasing or decreasing customer volume.

    I say it didn't work in 1998, I highly doubt it'll work in 2006. The problem cannot be defined as a formula, and until it can, no computer will be able to solve it.

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    1. Re:Didn't work in 1998 by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't know much about fuzzy logic, do you? You just said yourself a 20-30% increase in volume happens when a thunderstorm hits. But that's not always something that's predicted, even by the smartest manager. Or even the weatherman. It's just something that you'll have to deal with when the time comes. But if the system has data from the past 5 or 6 years of staffing and sales volumes, I'd bet that it'll be able to tell that, say, the 2nd week of April needs a few more people per shift than the first week of December (or whatever). I've had managers that scheduled things so we were overstaffed or understaffed. Or completely forgot that I wasn't able to make it in on Monday afternoons and scheduled me anyway. All that the system really needs to do is be able to take manual changes EASILY, handle them GRACEFULLY, and LEARN from those changes. After you get that done... well, the sky's the limit. Scheduling is very hard. Very few managers can do it reliably. I'd take a machine that's well designed over about 90% of the people that I have had write my schedules before.

    2. Re:Didn't work in 1998 by Jtheletter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But your hu-mon manager could somehow presciently account for all the rare cases you mentioned? I assume when there was something like a severe weather rush the manager picked up the phone and called off-duty employees to ask them to help, what prevents the store manager in the computer-run scenario from doing the same? Or hell, there could be an option on the screen "Recruit 'X' off-duty employees" and the system calls them and has them punch 1 for "I'll be right there" or 2 for "screw you Chad Vader, I'm not working Saturday night."

      This system only removes the human element from the up front scheduling task, but it doesn't replace the shift manager position, there is still a person running things who can make decisions for rare cases.

      No software out there is capable of predicting work conditions as well as someone who has experience.

      Except that software and hardware have come a long ways since the mid 90s, and with proper "training" by an experienced manager the system could be taught the "intuition" that person knows, and do things like you suggested - monitoring weather and scheduling appropriately. Blizzard predicted this week? Past register data shows a 45% increase in customers starting 36 hours before the storm, better add 2 extra employees etc. Prediciton will never be 100%, but then, it's not with a human manager either, and if they really need another employee for some reason, the manager can still pick up the phone himself.

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  24. Bob and Eliza, sitting in a file system tree by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    So Bob is running the place, and everything is fine. But what do you do when the insanely irate customer demands to speak to the manager in hopes of shouting horribly at a stranger until a free Large Fries is obtained? Bob can't help with that.

    That's when ELIZA takes over. Simply diect the customer to the nearby terminal.

    >HELLO CUSTOMER

    >is this the manager?

    >WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE MANAGER?

    >my frys were cold and I paid for this crap

    AND WHY DO YOU THINK YOU PAID FOR THIS CRAP?

    >i wanted hot firies but they was cold dammit!

    >AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK IS COLD DAMMIT?

  25. w00t!! by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you think people were pissed when the computer wouldn't let them get their CARS out of the garage, just wait until the computer won't let the PEOPLE out of the freezer because the restaraunt owner and the software vendor are mad at each other!

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  26. Doesn't matter to me... by jrmiller84 · · Score: 2, Informative

    as long as their chicken fingers, wings, and seasoned fries are still awesome. Oh, and the ice is still crushed and not cubed. No place is closer to heaven to me...

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    I will forever be a student.
  27. Re:Reminds me of Manna by pizzarobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoops. I guess I should read the entire summary before posting. To actually contribute something:

    From wikipedia

    Manna is science fiction novel by Marshall Brain that explores several issues around transhumanism. It is meant to be a thought-provoking read rather than an entertaining novel, and shows two possible outcomes of the 'robotic revolution' in the near future: one outcome is a dystopia based around US capitalism and the other is a utopia based upon a communal and technologic society in Australia.

    Some themes explored :

    • Brain-computer interface
    • Effect of artificial intelligence and robots on society
    • Proper and improper uses of technology.
    • The failings of capitalism to cope with technological development.
  28. 3 Laws? by onetwentyone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So will they be 3 Laws compliant and if so, for how long? ;)

  29. Re:That's great and all... by Sporkinum · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ahh.. some rich, sheltered, bastard that never had to work fast food. Explosive boiling!

    BTW, when I worked at KFC 30 years ago, we used to take hunks of fat from the chicken and throw it in the bug zapper by the back door. We were easily amused.

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    "He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
  30. Re:Seriously by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem, as always, is getting it to understand things that can't be pulled from regularly compiled statistics.

    A meat manager can look at the hostage standoff going on a block away, and realize that he's going to need to call someone in, as hungry cops, reporters, and rubberneckers will certainly be filling the place up. The same thing applies to anything that breaks the day/week/month/year pattern. There is contruction on the other side of the street, so you get twice as much traffic because no one can get to your competition, or vice versa, there is construction on your side and you bring in a lunch rush crew and you get no customers.

    Inventory is another interesting point, because who checks the food that comes in to make sure it's in good condition? Minimum wage fry cook? That's probably a bad idea.

    Interesting experiment. I'll be interested to see if it does anything, and, since there are like three (slow as hell) Zaxbys in this town, I'll be able to watch it unfold. Man. And I promised myself I'd never go back there...Scientific...curiosity...wars...with...hat red...of...Zaxbys...

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    ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
  31. Re:That's great and all... by jtwronski · · Score: 2, Funny

    Friers set up for french fries are set at about 350 degress Fahrenheit. Ice is presumably 32 degrees Fahrenheit or lower.

    If you throw one ice cube in the fryer, it'll explode somewhat and you'll get some hot grease on you.

    If you throw a handful, they'll explode a lot, and get grease everywhere.

    If you fill a frybasket with ice and drop it in the fryer, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE. the fryer will become a fountain of hot grease and steam with about a 12 foot blast zone. Soon after you get done cleaning it out of the exhaust hoods, between the fryers, off the employees that didn't end up in the hospital, the computers at the drive through station, the soda machine, a customer or two, the floor, the walls, and probably the ceiling, you'll get your last paycheck.

    After that, you'll go across the street to the other fast-food restaurant and get a fresh minimum wage job. This takes about 15 minutes at worst.

    In my 3 years at BK (best job i ever had), I've seen all 3, more than once. I highly reccommend it as a creative way to quit, provided that there aren't any other humans or managers around.

  32. Re:That's great and all... by merreborn · · Score: 2, Informative

    The people who are gazillionaires right now are the ones who found solutions to these problems. They built the ruggedized equipment, created the necessary ceiling mounts, developed the picture-based touch screens for the illiterate employees, and broke down the components of a special order to make it digestable by a computer. They then set out to prove these designs, fighting wave after wave of broken and scarred hardware. Ideas that seemed good at the time didn't work out in practice. Financial losses were heavy with the first models, but the kinks were slowly worked out.

    Actually, at pizza hut (2 years ago), all we had was a P2-based linux box that had a bunch of old text-only VT100 terminals hooked up to it. There wasn't even one in the kitchen, just a dot-matrix printer which printed up order tickets. The registers weren't touch screen, nor picture based -- they were the aforementioned terminals, with keyboards. The interface was anything but intuitive -- instructions for new employees frequently went something like this "Hit F3, then F7, then c, q, p, and r, then F6, then F3." The learning curve was pretty steep. Oh, and special orders? The only thing you could really do via the computer was (1) add or remove toppings or (2) have different toppings for each half of the pizza. Whenever we needed something really special done (say, someone wanted different ingreedients on each third of the pizza, or someone wanted light sauce), we just walked into the kitchen and told the cook.

    There wasn't a single 'ruggedized' piece of equipment to be found. You really could have built the exact same system out of stock late 80s equipment, just like the gp suggested.

  33. Drat! Screwed again! by danpsmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since I got my computer science bachelor's and hadn't been able to find a programming job with it, I thought maybe I could take said degree and become a middle manager at a fast food joint or something. Only now it appears that job is going to be taken: BY A COMPUTER!

    Screwed again.

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    Judges and senates have been bought for gold; Esteem and love were never to be sold.
  34. Re:Asimov didn't write his laws for customer servi by beoswulf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would a robot instructed to do no harm to humans sell an obese customer a supersized burger, fries and sugary cola?

    The robot would have to practice self defense when the customer attacks it.

  35. Paging Mr. Asimov by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Was I the only one that thought immediatly of Asimov's dsytopian Earth in the Robot Novels when I read this? How long until we reach the point that all work is directed by machines? And will humanity accept it? I think that, in then end, laziness will win out and we will stagnate and decay under machine rule. The only question about such a state is: if there are machines running evrything, will they find a way to compensate and keep the majority of humanity comfortable enough to not revolt?
    Fortunatly, it's a long way off before that level of sophistication will exist, so at least I'll be dead. Still, I do sort of wish I could watch the outcome.

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    Necessity is the mother of invention.
    Laziness is the father.
  36. Re:That's great and all... by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I worked for ChiChi's restaurant (sometime in the early to mid 90's), We got a program that supposedly did the schedule based on prior sales histories and forcasts. You asigned a value to the ability of an employee and gave it a combination of the stations they were trianed to work in. There was no way to establish employee A can run the dishtank like a mutha fucker but couldn't work the line very well at all.

    What we ended up with is people who could run different stations on the cooking line somewhat well, but not all of them very well being scheduled with people who couln't wash dishes or work hot prep, cold prep or even take the trash out effectivly. And with the sales forcasts, it would only schedule two people to work the entire kitchen on slow days os you ended up with alot of stations not being covered at all. We also ended up with people going from 30-40 hours scheduled in a week to only 20 or so and in some cases people were scheduled to work only two hours where the company policy was to pay them 4 hours minimum.

    We had some managers who followed this scheduling like it was writen in stone and the result was about 80% of the customers getting pissed that weeks. We had some managers who would keep the times and change the employees so that stronger employees would be present when it recomended only two workers and all the stations could be somewhat covered. When I did the scheduling, I ran the program by default and usualy changed all but a few of thier suggestions wich got me alot of slack form the higherups. What ended up happening is that the employies got fed up with it, thier moral went down, it was hard to find some one willing to do more then they absolutly had too, They started refusing to cover other stations or even help each other out and eventualy looked for different jobs and generalt got pay raises out of the switch. Of course Chi Chi's official attitude was, trianing costs and hireing expenses were too high to keep replacing employies. But most of the management would incinutate that they get hundreds of applications a month from people wanting to do fill these vacancies. And this on top of everything else turned the employies attitude into a "i was looking for a job when I found this one.". After 3 or 4 years, they stopped using this program and eventualy closed the doors for good (unrelated matters i'm told)

    I would think it would be too hard to keep employies happy or productive to use a computer program like this. I might have over dramatised the above scenario because of my close relationships with the employies but it all happened. People don't like to be pushed to the edge of thier capabilities because it means more money for someoen else. They are particularly resentful when it apears thier job security is on the line for what now apears to be an evil corperation. I'm willing to bet that program will likley result in simular if not the exact same situation. They Will probably find that even mindless kids who need constant supervision are people and people generaly need to be delt with in a humanized manor. They need reasuances in most situations, need to feel comfortable and secure in their monetary, social, and personal aspects of life. They also need positive re enforments in that what they are doing is being done corectly or meaningful in some way. The trick is juggleing this in a way that doesn't cut into profits while still being profitable.

  37. Upsell by kc7cfk · · Score: 2, Funny

    "According to this, you *DO* want fries with that."

  38. Predicting staffing needs by rebill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be fun to see how they solved the hard part of of predicting staffing needs in restaurants - "special events".

    Sales in a restaurant are semi-predictable in normal weeks ... Tuesdays tend to be less than half the sales of a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. However, there are outside things that interfere with the normal ebb and flow of this day-in and day-out grind. For example:

    Thanksgiving is defined to occur on a the fourth Thursday in November (in the U.S.), so the before and after spike in sales (and choosing to close the restaurant on Thanksgiving Day itself) can be predicted. Of course, Thanksgiving in Canada is a different day ... so it had better be configurable!

    Christmas Day is always on December 25, but it falls on Monday, this year, Tuesday in 2008, and so it ... so it has an an interference pattern that covers a seven year span. Gathering sales information to properly predict that may take 7+ years of sales data.

    Easter always falls on a Sunday, but it drifts as much as a month. If your restaurant always closes on Easter, then it becomes easy, but that is not an option for family buffet restaurants.

    Superbowl always falls on a Sunday, an tries to be on the same day each year, but it has drifted in the recent past, so it can be as hard to figure out as Easter.

    Then there are the one-off special events that no one can predict. What computer could predict that Thursday, May 14, 1998 was going to be one of the highest sales day of the entire year for every U.S. pizza delivery chain? Thursdays are not as "dead" as Tuesdays, but they rarely if every compare to the sales on a Friday night.

    That particular Thursday, however, was the day that the series finale of Seinfeld premeired.

    If they have figured out how to predict the "Seinfeld" ... then they have truly done a wondrous thing ... because I was not smart enough to figure out how to do it when I tried in 2002.

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    Chivalry is not dead, it's just frequently misspelt. - M. Langley

  39. Sounds like by Anyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The biggest problem in your restaurant is management. Servers who don't know how to write a hard check, and bartenders who don't know how to mix drinks?

    This computer system should be usefull in restaurants exactly like the ones you worked in. In a place like that, do you really think management is getting optimum use of their staff?

    You can always retort an innovation with the statement "What if that (said innovation) breaks. then where will we be?" I guess the answer is Amish.

  40. computers already used... by Barbarian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most fast food places with >20 employees already use a computer to schedule staff based on sales volume and abilities. However, the systems are far from perfect. When I was in college, I was an assistant manager for a major fast food chain. The computer was used to generate a schedule that would then require heavy modification to be workable.

    Anyways, I was responsible for scheduling for a year. Each employee had about 20 parameters you could enter, which included tasks that they could do, and a rating of their ability. However filling these fields in is more difficult than you think--for one, how an employee works when the manager is around is much different than how he works the rest of the time. Also, unless they assign one person to spend 40 hours a week observing people, it is impossible to get objective scores for any task. If you have 3 hours a week to make the schedule, with 80 employees, you don't have such time.

    The other half of the problem is that sales volumes (kept track of by the POS system) only tell half of the story. Were the sales low because only 2/3 of the necessary 21 staff were scheduled? Well, the computer will schedule only 10 next time. Two employees can never work with each other without getting into a major screaming match and catfight--the computer does not have a way to set this criteria. Of course, you can build a system that takes many more inputs, and has overrides for special cases, like telling it that you got completely screwed due to lack of staff, but then these will just be abused by individual management to their own ends--a computer isn't a very good lie detector, and can't tell that Jeremy keeps pushing the panic button so that the next week he can sit around in the office with three of his employees (who are the only friends he has) and make straw swords with which to re-enact episode 2.

    Computers are also pretty bad at phoning people on the day when 5 people called in sick (usually when there's some major attraction in town for the weekend, or it's a really nice sunny day) to find replacement workers. It's hard for a computer to appeal on an emotional level without making threats -- "Come in, or you're fired!" rarely works, making false promises does.

    Finally, it's pretty damn hard to fire a $100 000 computer for being a complete moron of a manager. Humans are accountable because they usually have bills to pay, family that depends on them, etc. What are you going to do, sue the software vendor who made you sign a 20 page disclaimer first?

  41. Re:When there are no jobs by Americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Creative and critical thinking is not tolerated in the corporate workplace. Not tolerated for a moment. Have you ever worked in the cubicles before?

    Presently employed by a large corporation with ~35-40 thousand employees around the world. Been here 8 years. Before that, it was a corporation of approximately 12,000, where I was employed for 4 years. So yeah, I've worked in the cubicles plenty. And I've yet to see an instance where someone was punished for thinking creatively and solving a real problem that needed to be solved. I have seen people get their asses in a sling for pissing away their time doing nothing of value to the organization, if that's what you mean.

    So you earn one university degree. Corporate fucks don't like it, so your "option" is to return to school and spend yet thousands upon thousands more dollars and years more time to earn yet another university degree? Do you have any idea how absurd that is?

    Almost as ridiculous as claiming that my statement that you "learn" and "grow" equates to "go get another degree." But that didn't stop you from tossing THAT red herring out. And please, give me an example of where a person was drummed out of a job because a manager didn't like their degree??

    Nothing else matters except money.

    And what the hell SHOULD matter to a corporation that is in the business of making money? If you're not adding value to the company, then you're a detriment to their goal of making money. The appropriate arrangement is this: YOU make money from them by providing some value that allows THEM to make money in return. If they don't make money, you get no paycheck. A company cannot pay out more than it earns for very long.

    Here's reality:

    in which you describe yourself, with the spin you wish to be interpreted with...

    Intelligent self-starters with massive amounts of education, skill and talent are almost guaranteed to be acerbic, opinionated, egocentric, disagreeable, blunt, and not afraid to speak their mind.

    Okay, and here's reality back at you: You can be most of those things, and still get along with people in a corporate environment. It's called having a personality that doesn't make people describe you as a confrontational douchebag. I work with a lot of smart, talented, highly educated folks. And by and large, they are agreeable, personable, and downright fun to talk to. In my experience, it's the third-raters and the mediocre minds who are constantly concerned with their "image" in the organization, and worrying that somebody else's talent will make them look bad. Those are the people who are "disagreeable" and outspoken to the point of insubordination. You can argue respectfully. You can disagree based on technical merits. You can be blunt when you discuss the facts. And the very second your opinions devolve into a ridiculous screed against "corporate fucks" who are vats of "bubbling rhino shit", as you so eloquently put it, I have to conclude that you're one of those mediocre minds. At the very least, you don't have anything better to do with yourself than harbor some irrational hatred of anybody with the title of "manager".

    They have their own way of doing things and rarely accept guidance or directives from management until that manager has EARNED their respect. Almost no corporate manager understands this, which is why almost no corporate manager is capable of employing such a person. They don't have the huevos to build a real team. They are failures at their careers, and in order to sidestep blame for their own lack of ability, they blame the employees and hide behind horseshit like "team player" and "people skills."

    Translation: "I'm one of those opinionated, acerbic, blunt, people. I like to think that the fact that I am blunt and opinionated MAKES me one of

  42. Re:When there are no jobs by cubicledrone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I've yet to see an instance where someone was punished for thinking creatively and solving a real problem that needed to be solved.

    Your whole corporate career was a festival of creativity and problem solving, a claim which flies in the face of the recorded experiences of award winning journalists and authors and the day-to-day experiences of millions upon millions of other current and former corporate employees at all levels of both work and management. Not only that, your experiences were perfectly consistent throughout your career and never once, not even ONE TIME did anything different happen. Sorry. You just lost all of your credibility.

    And please, give me an example of where a person was drummed out of a job because a manager didn't like their degree??

    I've seen people fired because the manager didn't like their car. Please.

    SHOULD matter to a corporation

    People who invest their professional expertise to help the corporation succeed. People should always be first. The money happens automatically.

    MAKES me one of those smart, highly talented people I mentioned before.

    I had jobs where I did the work of ten people in half the time for a third the cost. I had jobs where I improved efficiency in double and triple-figures, leading to substantial top line revenue increases quarter over quarter. I had jobs where I personally established multiple-department programs to increase the level of knowledge about the technologies we were using. Outside of the W-4 bullshit, I have personally and single-handedly delivered finished professional commercial products from a blank sheet of paper to unit sales. I have accumulated knowledge within several industries that exceeds that of the people who are being regularly paid for their expertise. I've done it better, faster and less expensively from the very instant I accepted my first full time job.

    And there has been precisely one job where I did not find myself beset with some bloated, donut-stuffing, meeting-scheduling, salad-ordering assfuck questioning my knowledge, requiring constant justifications and depriving both myself and the people I was working with of the tools and resources we needed to get our jobs done properly. They followed productive people around like the faint persistent aroma of fresh dogshit smeared on their shoes, fucking up every single thing they touched. I watched every single professional person I worked with screwed out of benefits, promotions, raises, jobs and careers.

    It's not about success or skills or money or anything else. It's about cruelty. It's about inflicting pain and suffering on other people because they can. It's that simple.

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    Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.