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Big Blue's Software Spending Spree

abb_road writes "IBM has gone on an aggressive acquisitions spree for document management packages in the past three weeks, spending more than $2 billion to pick up two companies. The companies, Webify and FileNet, are expected to become part of IBM's Information on Demand strategy. The acquisitions point to a larger industry trend: a focus on software for unified corporate data management. From the article: 'It's a crucial time to jockey for most-valuable-software-provider status, because companies want to buy more from fewer players, and they're tired of buying stand-alone pieces of software like customer-relationship management that don't fix real-world business problems. The new message to software vendors: Fix my call centers, don't just sell me a product. As a result, the lines are starting to blur between software companies that offer, say, Internet security, databases, and tools to manage nearly every part of the business. So, too, are the lines between service companies and software companies.'"

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  1. Worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I can't believe the money keeps flowing into IT, no document management solution is worth $2 million, let alone $2 billion. How long would it takes a team of 20 average slashdotters to code a full featured document management system? Let's say 2 years at $1 million each salary per year. Who here earns anything like $1 million a year?

    Don't even think of telling me that IBM are buying customers or market share! It's painfully obvious that the market is overvalued.

    1. Re:Worthless by Whelps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, do you realize how stupid you sound? FileNet has its flaws, but it is a full-scale enterprise application that has an enormous client base and it would be near impossible for 20 average slashdotters could create a rival an application that even comes close to gaining market share on them in a year or two timeperiod. Regardless of the quality of the application itself, a company's worth comes from its revenue stream.

  2. I'm a little confused by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IBM definitely has the resources to create many of these software services themselves for alot less money. I think it's as much about buying these companies up before the competition can than getting the software.

    1. Re:I'm a little confused by bhmit1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      IBM definitely has the resources to create many of these software services themselves for alot less money. I think it's as much about buying these companies up before the competition can than getting the software.
      Yes and no. They do have the people, but most are off consulting or supporting the existing product set, not developing new products. IBM has been making all their advances by acquisition for many years now. And seeing what the products look like when IBM builds them in-house, we are probably better off that way. Hint: what do you think happens when someone says don't build something new if we already have it, and they have lots of different tools? Lots and lots of ugly glue and a poor tech that has to learn 15 products to do something other places do with a single simple interface.
    2. Re:I'm a little confused by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      IBM definitely has the resources to create many of these software services themselves for alot less money. I think it's as much about buying these companies up before the competition can than getting the software.

      Well, companies have market share and customers. If you build from scratch, you have to go in and compete from the ground up. If you buy an established company, you then get to control the direction of that software, as well as instantly getting yourself customers.

      And, when fortune 500 buyers are looking at stuff, those reports from the Gartner Group go a long way. Basically, if your software isn't in the magic quadrant which makes it best of breed, you're probably not considered at purchase time. It goes a long way.

      Buying FileNet, they undoubtedly get a huge installed base, as well as the opportunity to further sell into that organization. (Never underestimate the value of credibly getting your foot in the door to sell all of your other products.)

      And, really, time to market and maturation of the software means that if you have the pockets, you can buy it sooner and possibly cheaper than you could build it. But, buying it means you get a salesforce, support infrastructure, and people who already know the software. As well as market recognition and whatever goodwill that has earned them from customers.

      I've been watching some heavy-duty consolidation in the markets for a few years. A lot of companies prefer to acquire than try to develop from scratch. So, you're partly right - it is about buying them before someone else does. But it's partly about being in a new market segment next month, instead of in three years with a rev 1.0 product. That's too long of a time when you're competing against people already established in the market. Because they will have moved ahead a lot in that time, so you'll always be playing catch up.

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    3. Re:I'm a little confused by nostriluu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IBM bought Cloudscape, which years later they released as Derby. Eclipse is a well designed product, but in effect they bought the developers who designed it (OTI, years ago admittedly, and they seem to work as a separate unit).

      In fact, IBM has bought most of their major products (Notes, etc) that I know of (I have no idea about the history of the mainframe stuff &c).

      This is all probably better than the "not invented here" syndrome, I would except that focused start ups are more keen to innovate, particularly on vertical apps, than workers in a giant company like IBM.

  3. How is it going to integrate by eclipz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The big question is, how is this all going to integrate? IBM already has it's own document management system that competes against FileNet in a lot of areas. So, is one going to go away? Or perhaps they'll continue to sell both and basically bring their credibility down for both. Not only that, but with FileNet phasing out one of their products and forcing their user base to upgrade, will FileNet lose a lot of their base because they don't trust that it will be around much longer? There are a lot of questions without much of an answer. Sure one hell of an impulse buy.

  4. Re:Or... by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Puts on Troll Foil Hat and says...I think IBM isn't the only crazy player in this field, because businesses are trying to fix something with software that is broken on the human side of things.

    Every job I have ever had has a pattern with IT: Our people aren't sharing information or documenting their work properly, lets spend X to upgrade our computers...Our people aren't sharing information or documenting their work properly, lets spend X2 to upgrade our computers...Our people aren't sharing information or documenting their work properly, lets spend X4 to upgrade our computers...and so on.

    People need to start being more organized before any data-management software dose a bit of good.

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  5. Interesting point by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Reading this got me to thinking about a slightly different point -- one that's been niggling at the back of my mind for a while, but I haven't seen discussed much. Maybe that's just because to everybody else it's just to obvious to mention though...

    It seems to me that computers are progressively becoming less and less about computing, and more and more about simply storing and communicating data. A long time ago, IBM bought out Lotus software. Lotus became famous based on 1-2-3. It was the "killer app" that sold tons of DOS machines -- and oriented heavily toward doing computation. I'm not sure if IBM even still sells 1-2-3 or anything derived from it -- the big Lotus-derived products are Notes and Domino (I.e. storing and communicating data, not doing actual computing). In fact, you hardly hear about spreadsheets any more. Excel works, and a lot of people use it, but it doesn't seem to be a "killer app" for much of anybody anymore -- I'm pretty sure I haven't heard of anybody buying a machine to run it (or any other spreadsheet) in years.

    Now acquisitions (and new development) seem to be oriented almost entirely toward storing and communicating data, not toward doing any actual computing. The same seems to be happening in software development as well. Languages for doing real computation, like FORTRAN and Matlab are almost universally seen as boring and passe. Even languages like C++ oriented kind of halfway toward computation seem to be viewed as a whole less less than exciting, anyway. What's hot are things like Ruby on Rails. Of course, you can write computational code in Ruby if you want to, but I'm pretty sure nearly nobody uses Ruby to do things like matrix multiplication -- they use it for Rails, to set up web sites that talk to databases (storing and communicating data).

    In fairness, I suppose I should add that there are still a few "big things" oriented heavily toward real computation -- Folding@home and Seti@home for a couple of obvious ones -- and BOINC has a number of less obvious/well-known ones as well. Clearly computation isn't entirely dead and gone or anything like that.

    I'm a little uncertain what this emphasis on simply storing and communicating data really means though. Was most computing that involved real computation really just a fad, and people were doing it primarily because it was new and different? Is the current emphasis on data storage and communication really just a fad, and people will care a lot less about it in a few years? Is it a matter of the "computing" parts of things mostly being cured problems, so they're less apparent, even though they're really as important as ever?

    I suppose for this to be a proper comment, I should have a strong opinion to express about it, but I really don't -- at least for me it's almost entirely an open question.

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    1. Re:Interesting point by AutopsyReport · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is the current emphasis on data storage and communication really just a fad?

      No, not at all. The current emphasis on storage/communication/collaboration is the due to the business world recognizing the capabilities of what computing can do for them. Most businesses are not interested in the computational power of computing as much as they are the expenditure-reducing, labour-reducing and capability-increasing power of computing. The present computations revolve around business logic. Typically the business world holds a much different perspective on how a computer is useful to them.

      Excel works, and a lot of people use it, but it doesn't seem to be a "killer app" for much of anybody anymore

      Excel was and still is a very powerful too. There really isn't a subtitute for it. Personal, business, and government all use it. Microsoft Office isn't popular by coincidence -- the Excel, Access, Word, etc., suite is very powerful for all categories of work.

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  6. Re:More Crap for the IBM rep to push by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Dealing with the IBM rep is bad enough but now we will have to deal with them pushing their new products when I just want answers about the product I just bought from them.
    I don't work for IBM (anymore! haha, byebye internship) but from what I've seen, IBM's focus is not on providing people spiffy software so much as...
    The new message to software vendors: Fix my call centers, don't just sell me a product.
    This is very much the direction they are trying to make things head - not a hardware company, not a software company, not even as "software as a service" company so much as a business company - they want to be "all sorts of IT and business services, including software and such to help keep things moving". They will gladly come in and show you all sorts of ways to change (ideally, to streamline) the way you're doing business. (If you pay them to. And I can't speak to their results one way or another. But would you like some links to spiffy promotional literature?)

    Hmm. Was the summary written by an IBMer by any chance? I don't see the words "on demand" or "business transformation" or anything like that, but...

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  7. Re:Or... by novus+ordo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reminds me of this .

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  8. Re:What is document management anyway? by pstorry · · Score: 3, Informative

    Good question.

    It's about control and structure.

    The usual question is "why can't I just use our shared mapped drives?" - so here's what you DON'T get from shared mapped drives that you do get from a Document Management System (DMS):

    * Metadata... Basic metadata on the document which can help searching, and can sometimes be sorted upon etc. The metadata often varies with the "document type" - so tender documents/procurement documents have an Account field, where meeting minutes instead have an Attendees field. Yes, this takes more time to fill in when saving a document into a DMS. This is why users hate the DMS. Business loves it, of course, because it makes things easy to find years later.

    * Structure... You create the overall structure, and nobody can change it. We've all seen file shares that have had no control - they become an impenetrable mess of folders, because everyone has their own slightly different filing system they're adhering to. DMS software allows an organisation to enforce just one filing system. Users hate that, too. ;-)

    * Conflict Prevention... Most DMS software has the concept of "checking out" a document, just like you would check out a book at the library. Whilst you have that document checked out, everyone can see you're working on it - and nobody else can check it out. This prevents two idiots^Wusers from applying changes to the same document. Checking a document out also allows for an audit trail to be built.

    * Versioning... Beyond the versioning that you get in Word - this is literally keeping a copy of every version that was checked in. You can usually also add a metadata comment for each vesrion when you check it in, to say what you changed. Often, you can even do this for each draft. Oh, by the way, being able to mark documents as either drafts or versions is also handy, and many systems do that.

    * Audit trails... Not your aneamic logs from an OS, but audit trails telling you who updated the document and when, often going back years. Very important in some environments.

    * Approval/Review Cycles... Workflow is a common extension to many DMS implementations, adn allows for simple approval/review cycles in which the checking out/audit trail/versioning features are combined to allow one person and one person only to approve or review at a time. Quite handy, if done well.

    * Records Management... Technically something else entirely, but records management often goes hand-in-hand with document management systems. Do all your invoices become unneeded after seven years? Fine - save 'em to the right place, and the DMS will handle that for you. Anything over seven years old simply gets removed, permanently, on a schedule. For you, this is useless. For a company GM's size, this saves hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. :-)

    * Searching... As alluded to above, most DMS software has a full-text search capability these days, and if it's "in the box" then it's one less thing to have to implement in your IT strategy.

    There's more, but you get the idea. It's basically there to control the way people work with documents, making sure that it's less likely to descend into a SNAFU where you can never find what you want...

  9. Re:Or... by cynical86 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It may be a software/IT problem to acquire and require metadata to be stored with a piece of information, but how do you design an indexing scheme that makes it obvious how to index data and enforces consistency while still allowing meaningful classification? How do you create a culture where a user's time spent indexing and cleaning said information is considered well-spent and valuable in its own right? How do you get people to look for and use the data, however well-indexed it is?

    It's not like we don't have examples of classification systems that work. Finding a piece of information in a library might take a few minutes to locate a set of data, and then minutes to review material and find a fact, or hours or days to poll opinions and assemble an informed picture of the subject under investigation. Indexing schemas in document management are evaluated by how many clicks it takes to get to an already known piece of information.

    Or maybe it is that the business metrics applied to this sort of activity are based on the speed and volume rather than the quality of work? If a poor decision was made through a lack of information, was it the difficulty in locating this information, or was it a lack of will or desire to adequately research a decision before making it?

  10. Bloat bloat bloat vomit by wsanders · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Document management is a technique for turning all the crappy little internal web sites in your company running Apache, PHPNuke, or some random blogging thing into giant bloated internal web sites with exactly the same content, overpriced on-site consultants, and $50K per year support contracts.

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