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Google Makes Peace With Media Companies

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "Google is bringing some of the biggest media companies into its camp and sharing revenue with them, after drawing their ire last year with moves to search video and books, the Wall Street Journal reports. From the article: 'Google's improved relationships with media and entertainment companies reflects the confidence those companies have gained in online distribution in the past year, amid rapid growth in Americans' consumption of Web video and other Internet content. But just as importantly, it illustrates a coming of age in Google's approach to the owners of content it wants to search.' Google has hired executives from the media world to conduct the negotiations. One of them, David Eun, formerly of Time Warner and NBC, said, 'The biggest challenge is explaining to them we're friend and not foe.'" Just don't use google as a verb. Pretty please?

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  1. Here everybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
  2. yaay by cheeseboy001 · · Score: 1
    ... providing the company with additional places to display lucrative ads, such as alongside video clips.
    Yeah, that's just what I always dreamed of, more ads. I hope they're interesting.
    1. Re:yaay by Enoxice · · Score: 1

      With any luck they'll be more ironically placed "Teen Sex Addict" ads that I see here every now and then. Those always give me a good chuckle, as they are on ./ ...

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    2. Re:yaay by kihjin · · Score: 1

      What ads? - kihjin, Adblock user 4572

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    3. Re:yaay by ggy · · Score: 1

      Well, I still liked one ad I got at ./ on sysadmin appreciation day:
      "Racism - starting at $1 / day." from the friendly folks at ebay...

  3. Fun With Corporations! by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just don't use google as a verb. Pretty please?

    Okeedokey, smokey. (Seriously, "google" as a verb annoyed the bejezus out of me).

    BUT! I hereby nominate "Don't Do Evil" as the new way to mockingly refer to ANY corporate misdoings. Let's see how they like that!

    1. Re:Fun With Corporations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Any post you don't agree with is a troll. Rather than argue with it, you just reply with "Troll", as if it is an argumentative or logical refutation.

    2. Re:Fun With Corporations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you argue with a troll, you feed the troll. This assumes, of course, that the post really is a troll and not just a viewpoint that you find disagreeable.

    3. Re:Fun With Corporations! by DittoBox · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why is this "Anonymous Coward" and why is he arguing with himself?

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    4. Re:Fun With Corporations! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 2, Funny

      BUT! I hereby nominate "Don't Do Evil" as the new way to mockingly refer to ANY corporate misdoings. Let's see how they like that!

      I hereby nominate "Don't Do Evil" as the new way to mockingly refer to people who cannot properly quote "Do No Evil."

    5. Re:Fun With Corporations! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, there is a law of the internet that states that just after posting something making fun of someone for making an error, you realize that you were also in error.

    6. Re:Fun With Corporations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, it's fine to do evil as long as your intentions weren't. Evil, that is.

    7. Re:Fun With Corporations! by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      BUT! I hereby nominate "Don't Do Evil" as the new way to mockingly refer to ANY corporate misdoings.

      As long as you don't use capitals, and if you do, as long as you put (TM) in the end, you're fine.

    8. Re:Fun With Corporations! by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 1
      From your sig:

      Detecting whether a interviewee has MacOS experience prior to OS X: yell "Frog blast the vent core!" If they run, yes.

      That's a really bad test. Not everybody with old-school MacOS skills played Marathon. A better test would be to say "I have a MacTCP control panel that needs configuring."

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    9. Re:Fun With Corporations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon man, at least get their motto right!

      It's "Don't be evil." ... which leaves open the question of whether that still allows them to do evil, so long as they're not seen as evil ...

  4. The Real Napster by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I Google (TM) for a song, why doesn't it show me links to MP3s of those songs on the Web? Or links to pages which link to MP3s of those songs? Google has always (or for a long time) censored its links to that content. I guess they're scared of the Napster caselaw. But that's a pretty big stick they've got to hit "media companies" with when they want to haggle.

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    1. Re:The Real Napster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try leet variations, works better. I just tried empeethreez, that worked too.

    2. Re:The Real Napster by hugzz · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's quite easy to find links to download mp3s of songs on Google. It's just that most of the higher ranked pages are lyric and information sites

    3. Re:The Real Napster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like the audio search at Yahoo?

    4. Re:The Real Napster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo: they googled but not enough to make their own search usable. Yahoo need to get rid of the clutter on their pages. Nobody (including Yahoo themselves) is really sure what they are, are they search, news, email or IM? Ughhhh..... they're a cluttered, confused mess, that's what.

    5. Re:The Real Napster by Cap'nPedro · · Score: 1

      Technically speaking, an MP3 cannot be spidere very well because filename is not as significant as content and a non-text content is near impossible to interpret.

      Try sticking filetype:mp3 on the end of your query.

      However, sometimes when searching for lyrics I get a picture of the album at the top of the results with more info about it; I suppose Google could strike up a deal to include links to where to buy the song.

  5. 'The biggest challenge...' by JazzLad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'The biggest challenge is explaining to them we're friend and not foe.'

    Considering how much content they have had that they charge for for some time on Google Video, I am suprised. Apple is paving the way, and everyone knows that whatever Google does works (whether it is true or not).

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    1. Re:'The biggest challenge...' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Apple is paving the way

      To what, exactly?

    2. Re:'The biggest challenge...' by generic-man · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A future in which all the video you download is of mediocre quality and only works on two OSes and one portable player, apparently.

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    3. Re:'The biggest challenge...' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple bought youtube?

  6. Great Move by Google by MrCrassic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Google can garner a solid relationship with those large media companies, the possibilities for Google to grow are nearly infinite. Many households today do not own a DVR, but imagine how convenient it would be for a typical Joe User to be able to find a clip from CNN he saw earlier and use it for a research project he's working on. Wouldn't it be great if his daughter could find a clip of her favorite program as easily as searching for web pages?

    If this relationship can build, this will all be possible. Furthermore, companies that benefit from AdSense will benefit greatly from those types of users. Everybody wins at the end, and Google keeps its "friendly giant" crown it's been holding for years.

    No sneaky corpse-beating RIAA lawyers required.

    1. Re:Great Move by Google by exley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't it be great if his daughter could find a clip of her favorite program as easily as searching for web pages? And furthermore, wouldn't it be great if I could then Google for his daughter?* We could even turn it into a new naughty word, a la: "Dude, I totally googled this chick last night..." Okay, maybe not. But if Google could help me on that front, then I probably wouldn't care whether or not they're doing any evil. We all have our price. And I might even be able to tolerate all the fanboys out there who already kiss ass with Google regardless of what they do. *Provided she's cute, and I guess I should stipulate, of legal age

    2. Re:Great Move by Google by artson · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Goodness and Niceness of Google will infect Time-Warner so that they'll stop beating up widows and orphans through the RIAA lawyers. Naaa. I think if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Bye-bye Google.

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    3. Re:Great Move by Google by InsertCleverUsername · · Score: 2, Funny

      > *Provided she's cute, and I guess I should stipulate, of legal age

      No problem, you just need to the check the Google SafeBootySearch filter.

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  7. Googling no more.... by McFortner · · Score: 4, Funny

    [Quote]"Just don't use google as a verb. Pretty please?"[/quote]

    Yep, it gives them a major headache having their name used as a generic term. Then they have to take several Asprin for it. It is the kind of hurt a kiss and a Band-Aid from Mom can't fix. We just have to stop being so Mickey Mouse about it....

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    1. Re:Googling no more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should wipe up thier tears with Kleenex.

    2. Re:Googling no more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those are verbs though, are they. If you'd talked about them Hoovering then that would be relevant

    3. Re:Googling no more.... by bulliver · · Score: 1

      C'mon people...

      This wasn't really funny the five separate times it was posted yesterday to the actual article about their "Google" TM..

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  8. More like by hsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They realized they are a dying medium and google could possibly be a way to drive viewers to their online content.

    1. Re:More like by Aceticon · · Score: 1
      To expand on this, consider that:
      • People are spending (in average) less and time watching television and more and more time surfing the Net
      • Amateur produced content distributed via the Internet is proving itself unexpectedly popular *cough*YouTube*cough*

      Basically people are moving away from the traditional distribution channels for media into newer channels and in the process discovering there's more to motion pictures entertainment than the fare produced by the big media companies.

      More in general they're moving away from non-interactive entertainment and into new forms of entertainment (gaming, reading blogs, socializing via IM, etc) made popular by the new channel. Keep in mind that the real market of movie companies is not movies, it's entertainment.

      It's no wonder then, that the media companies want to be buddies with the (current) big boy of the Net.
    2. Re:More like by mgblst · · Score: 1

      They don't have to be a dying medium - they just need to change they way they do things.

      I have started to read online newspapers regularly, when I have never had a subscription for a paper newspaper. If there is one thing that bloggs prove, it is that there is a huge market for good content, and media companies can provide that, if they do it well.

      This is where the partnership with google comes in well. I think initially they were scared that sites like google news provide links to their competitors as well, but it actually drives a huge amount of business to them as well - free advertising if you will.

  9. I think by NexFlamma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think Google's improved relationship with the media companies has more to do with the viability of Google as a company as opposed to the viability of the internet as a distribution platform.

    It's hard to ignore the kind of success they've had.

    1. Re:I think by iwsnet · · Score: 0

      They're is nothing like sharing the cash that Google is rolling in to make new friends.

  10. Trademark Evilness -- not Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Part of maintaining the rights to a trademark (Google(tm) for instance...) is that you actively prove that you are defending your mark. For instance, if a competitor created a new search service called um...what's a good name...uh GOOGLER.COM, and they could prove that Google(tm) was not protecting their trademark, then they could attempt to make a legal stake for the name. Google is probably ecstatic that their name has become a verb, however the guys in legal gotta do this, or else people will take advantage of Google's general good will.

    eh -- so deal with it, its no biggie.

    1. Re:Trademark Evilness -- not Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of maintaining the rights to a trademark (Google(tm) for instance...) is that you actively prove that you are defending your mark

      Against commercial users in the same line of business, yes. But most TM owners are insanely overreaching in "defending" their marks.

  11. Trademark by fabu10u$ · · Score: 5, Funny
    Just don't use google as a verb. Pretty please?
    Ah, but you forgot... it's Google(tm) with a capital G and a silent (tm).
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  12. Query results skewed more? by ScrappyLaptop · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So do you think this will mean that the only results will be the ones that any particular big media Google partner wants to push that week? To test this hypothesis, I predict that during sweeps week media searches will magically bring back results of each network partner's biggest shows...with little regard to your actual media search term.

    I swear, Google is starting down the road of becoming less and less relevant. It started with search results placement...What I want is a search engine that can filter out all commercial results and just give me pure, clean information when that's what I am looking for.

  13. bah by Heikell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google:"Let's pay the content owners off so they don't sue us" That's not a partnership at all. That just means their paying them to keep their mouth shut.

    1. Re:bah by Lord+Aurora · · Score: 3, Funny
      No, no...you're obviously a n00b to the world of corporate America.

      See, that is what we call a partnership.

      =D

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  14. google this by talledega500 · · Score: 0

    its a verb its a verb its a ver its a verb Google this Google that its a verb its a verb!

  15. Good luck controlling English by svunt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm still upset that people get confused when I refer to a googol - they think I'm talking about a search engine, rather than a quantity! For serious, Google are kidding themselves thinking that some strongly worded letters will stop the genericization of google...it's already generic. I know that isn't the thrust of TFA, but dammit, I missed the original thread.

    1. Re:Good luck controlling English by Chaffar · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm still upset that people get confused when I refer to a googol - they think I'm talking about a search engine, rather than a quantity!

      And why exactly do you need to refer to a googol in front of people ? ... Unless by "people", you're referring to your imaginary math-freak friends :)

    2. Re:Good luck controlling English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's not to do with controlling English - it's to do with preserving the trade mark. AFAIK, to preserve the trade mark, you only have to show that you are defending it, not that you are successfully defending it. Note that I Am Not A Lawyer, so I might be wrong here. Also I'm posting anonymously because of my relationship to Google.

  16. You mean filesharing, right? by chub_mackerel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...imagine how convenient it would be for a typical Joe User to be able to find a clip from CNN he saw earlier and use it for a research project he's working on. Wouldn't it be great if his daughter could find a clip of her favorite program as easily as searching for web pages?

    "Imagine"? I don't have to imagine it. Napster (the original) was well on its way there. P2P networks are clearly doing this already. In fact, P2P networks distribute content in ways that efficiently spread out distribution costs among users (disproving the notion that the cost of "hosting" is supposedly the biggest "challenge" facing content owners --- a falsehood that nevertheless will become an excuse for many annoyances, such as unwanted advertising, and network non-neutrality).

    Media companies are no friend in this regard, and neither is Google. Bottom line, people. That's all these companies "care" about. They see one another as foes and/or partners in the effort to control your access to information and the distribution of that information for their own profit.

    In fact, in this regard I would say that the content owners, for all that many of us rail against them, are actually better actors, in a sense, than Google, here. Why? Because they are actually in the content creation business to some extent --- part of their argument has always been that the free distribution of content, while nice in theory, would come back to hit the artists, since historically the artists (creators) have been paid using a system that depends on royalties related to distribution (sales of individual copies). Thus they at least claim to be benefitting us by consolidating their control over the distribution of content.

    Google, on the other hand, has never been about controlling distribution or content -- its business is based on providing as much access and utility as possible, as a means of sucking in information, which can then be used for marketing and advertising purposes. This is why a deal like this is a sign that Google is getting into bed with content owners, and changing its core business.

    1. Re:You mean filesharing, right? by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      It is easily arguable that Google is trying to start up some kind of new method of filesharing, but the difference between what Google is trying to do here and what Napster and its contenders intended to do originally is very far apart. What I tried to imply was that if Google can obtain the kind of rights that the media companies are willing to give them, the companies will win tremendously from the services Google provides, especially in advertising. Therefore, Google have enough power to basically control whatever decision they decide to make. That doesn't necessarily mean that you will be able to saerch for an entire showing of "World Trade Center," but it does mean that you might legally be able to find some pre-selected clips for use as references.

      Napster's intent didn't intend on doing this, as you very well know. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too, in that they wanted to share as much as they possibily could with the knowledge that it was very much illegal and the owner was bound to get caught in the act. Also, unlike Google, he had no power to strike a deal with the huge advertisers other than to succumb to making his service legal. While the outcome was beneficial for both the owner and the companies, the onwer had to abandon his original premise and "follow the rules" to avoid any further trouble.

      You are correct in that media companies are no friend to anyone except their own kind. However, they will be friendly when lots of money is in the picture, and in this case, it definitely is.

  17. No by Gorimek · · Score: 2, Informative

    So do you think this will mean that the only results will be the ones that any particular big media Google partner wants to push that week?

    That's the road Alta Vista, Excite and many other now forgotten search engines went down to make a quick buck back in the day. Google stubbornly stuck to providing relevant links for their users.

    That's why Google is now raking in the billions, and they are very aware of that. There is no way they are going to throw away their biggest competitive advantage for a few lousy millions. It's not like they're desperate for money, and (see above) even when they were they didn't resort to things like this.

    It started with search results placement...

    Google doesn't sell search results placement.

    1. Re:No by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Oh they don't?
      http://www.google.com/search?hs=02F&hl=it&client=o pera&rls=en&q=fishing+rod&btnG=Cerca&lr=
      First result: "Chinses Fishing Rod", SPONSORED LINK
      The hell they don't...

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    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh, that's not part of their "search results". They tell you right there that it's a sponsered link.

      The google search itself is sacrosanct. Being the very core of what makes them Google, they will not mess with it except with the utmost care.

    3. Re:No by Gorimek · · Score: 1

      That's not a search result. It's an ad. And it's clearly marked as such.

      You can of course be annoyed at them selling ads and/or placing the ads above the search result. But don't confuse it with selling search results placement.

  18. Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they make peace with the media companies before or after sending them legal threats?

  19. Finding TV Ads by ferrgle · · Score: 2, Funny

    I get a nasty feeling that if I use Google(TM) to look for TV clips all I will get is 20 pages of TV ads.

  20. Anybody notice the submitter? by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is this the first time the submitter has been a media flack who doesn't even go through the formality of registering a Slashdot account to submit? (Check out where the link from the submitter's name goes.)

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    1. Re:Anybody notice the submitter? by modeless · · Score: 1

      Carl Bialik from the WSJ posts stories all the time. He may never post comments, but perhaps he has a personal account for that.

    2. Re:Anybody notice the submitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has been accepting articles from Carl for months. Only now did you notice? Go back to chasing kids off your lawn.

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  22. sigh by sabernet · · Score: 1

    Enough with the google as a verb thing.

    Reserve the harsh criticism until they actually sue someone.

    Google has to make an effort to protect their trademark(even if it means just sending a C&D letter) or they lose it. Period. It wasn't evil, it was responsibility.

  23. Media mafia by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 1

    What the heck, is Google paying taxes to the media mafia? If Google wants to keep their asses in my "good guys" list, they better side with my rights, and do what they can to hurt and piss off obnoxious media corporations.

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