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Phantom Goes Software Only

Daysaway writes "Gamasutra is reporting that the Phantom Game Service will be replacing the Phantom Game Console. The company formerly known as Infinium Labs has stated that the Phantom hardware was originally designed to run on a Windows XP platform, so it is not a stretch to believe this service will be launched sometime in the very near future." From the article: "A recent update to Phantom Entertainment's website, though, indicates that 'The Phantom Game Service was originally engineered to run on a Windows XP embedded operating system on a Phantom Game Receiver managed by Phantom content servers over the Internet.' The site now suggests that: 'The Company intends to modify the Phantom Game Service software to run as client software on personal computers operating Windows XP and Windows XP Media center operating systems.'"

74 comments

  1. It's so cliched now but... by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the "Nothing to see here. Move along." message was so appropriate.

    1. Re:It's so cliched now but... by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It is especially apt compared to the original claims about the platform. This was supposed to be revolutionary, now it seems like it will be yet another pay-to-play PC progam. HardOCP was perhaps the most skeptical of the device's claims back in 2003 when other tech news outlets were still drooling over the proposed specs.


      The company's website still features the Lapboard as coming soon. I hope that they get the Lapboard out the door and into the market as it has some promise and seems feasible to design. However if it does appear in stores it will still have heavy competition from Logitech, Microsoft and all the other usual suspects.

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    2. Re:It's so cliched now but... by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Which tech news outlets were drooling over the proposed specs? The CNN article you linked seems pretty skeptical about the product, but (big surprise) the Infinium Chief Marketing Officer is positive about the product. /me activates a CNN news alert for "Infinium Labs"

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    3. Re:It's so cliched now but... by FLEB · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. It's another Infinium Labs article. If they didn't want cliches, they wouldn't be here.

      Okay, so I haven't scrolled down yet... how far to the "Duke Nukem Forever" post?

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  2. Let me be the first to say by gentimjs · · Score: 1

    Lame. Dead lame. So its going to be like every other pay-to-get-downloaded-games service out there? Except from a known corrupt vapourware company? And, like the others, only run on wintel? Yawn.

    1. Re:Let me be the first to say by EMeta · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well yeah. They revise their aims to an easy goal, which will inevitably fail to larger producers of the same thing (Valve), avoid prosecution for investor fraud, and keep the rest of the millions of investor money.

      I'm a bit surprised they didn't think of this sooner.

  3. An Observation. by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me, or does Valve's Steam already do what PHANTOM is planning to do? Heck XBox Live 360 seems about the same too.

    Props to the Phantom guys if they can get others to join them.

    IMarv

    1. Re:An Observation. by Kaenneth · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have a lot in common with Steam; however, the 'Steam' they are like is not the online service, but hot air and water vapor.

    2. Re:An Observation. by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or Gametap for that matter...

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    3. Re:An Observation. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Infinium Labs (Infineon should have freaking sued them for trademark infringement, I know that name confuses me regularly) will offer a system that doesn't have a cracked client available that can download all of the games offered for free without needing cracks or going to a warez site?

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  4. Holy ERSB Cow... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    So the Phantom is going to show off his "naughty bits" after casting aside the hardware? :P

    1. Re:Holy ERSB Cow... by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      Not really. The article says software only, but from the Phantom web site...

      To get started with your new service you will need:
      1. Phantom Game Receiver
      2. Television
      3. Broadband Connection
      4. Phantom Game Service

      Number 1 looks like hardware to me, so no naked software. They are covering it with a case.

    2. Re:Holy ERSB Cow... by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      Upon further digging heres the specs.

      Phantom® Game Receiver

      AMD® Athlon(TM) XP 2500+ central processing unit (CPU)
      NVIDIA® GeForce(TM) FX 5700 Ultra graphics processing unit (GPU)
      NVIDIA nForce(TM)2 Ultra 400 platform processor
      256 MB RAM
      40 GB local content cache
      Microsoft Windows XP® Embedded Operating System
      Dynamic, personalized user interfaces customizable for age, gender or technical expertise
      Lapboard, mouse and game pad included
      HDTV and Dolby® Digital 5.1 compatible
      Works with any consumer-standard broadband Internet Service Provider (ISP): DSL or faster

  5. It's called the PHANTOM... by HaloZero · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...if that isn't a huge smack from a clue-by-four, I'm not sure what else could possibly. The investors for this project are screwed. It doesn't exist, they had no intention of making it exist, it will never exist. The name alone says that.

    Somewhere, in some parallel universe, the Phantom Console is capable of running Duke Nukem: Forever at 120fps. And it can provide you all the services of a loving wife.

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    1. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny
      Somewhere, in some parallel universe, the Phantom Console is capable of running Duke Nukem: Forever at 120fps. And it can provide you all the services of a loving wife.
      I'm not sure I want a loving wife that resembles Duke Nukem.
    2. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by corychristison · · Score: 1
      And it can provide you all the services of a loving wife
      I feel sorry for all of your current consoles.
    3. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by Lectrik · · Score: 3, Funny
      Somewhere, in some parallel universe, the Phantom Console is capable of running Duke Nukem: Forever at 120fps. And it can provide you all the services of a loving wife.


      You mean aside from blazing thru DNF It'll also vacuum the the floor, dust the bookshelfs, drive the kids to school, and fsck the pool guy? Thank the gods, I hate doing those chores
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    4. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by Turor · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And it can provide you all the services of a loving wife."

      My current console already does this; Forces me to stay home on friday night and denies me sex.

    5. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by ltbarcly · · Score: 1

      Can I have her then?

    6. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by MalusCaelestis · · Score: 1

      It's like naming a fake psychic detective agency "Psych."

    7. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by LearnToSpell · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Honey, I'm sooo sorry. I forgot our annivers-"
      "I'm gonna rip off your head and shit down your neck!"

    8. Re:It's called the PHANTOM... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least that show's mildly entertaining.

      PHANTOM jokes stopped being funny in 2004. ;)

  6. Linux? by corychristison · · Score: 1, Funny

    But does it run on Linux?

    I know I will get modded down, but seriously... any intentions for a port to Linux?

    1. Re:Linux? by andphi · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm sure there will be a Linux port. It might work something like this:
      • Stare fixedly at a blank space on the wall
      • Imagine that you're controlling an invisible, intangible Linux box with your thoughts
      • Visualize yourself accessing the eVaporWarez Gamez Service via the above imaginary Linux box
      • Pretend you're having fun
      As a side benefit of this port process, the eVaporWarez Gamez Service is not limited to just Linux boxen. I could run it on my antique, non-booting Tandy HD1100!
    2. Re:Linux? by blueZhift · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, they would stand a better chance of success if the service did come out for Linux simply because they would face a lot less competition there. But seriously, this whole Phantom saga has become one long no longer funny sort of joke.

    3. Re:Linux? by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      Pretend? Who's pretending? I'm having fun as we speak! Dude, this is awesome, pass me the chips and a napkin. I don't want to get grease on my new controller.

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  7. It's not even funny anymore by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So let me get this straight. A company that has failed to knock together a custom PC that boots CDs despite FOUR YEARS of trying now thinks that they're mogul enough to take the PC World by storm with an online game delivery application (like Steam?) that appears to have little to differentiate itself in the market?

    Excuse me while I don't hold my breath in anticipation.

    This company has churned through incredible amounts of talent to produce nothing more than press releases about a fancy keyboard and mouse! In that time, Microsoft has launched not one, but TWO separate game consoles that both compete in the exact same space. In that same time, the company was believed to have been a Pump and Dump scheme by the SEC. In that same time, they have never demonstrated an actual working prototype of anything more than their mouse and keyboard!

    Excuse me? Could someone please tell me how long it takes to send a manufacturing file out for a custom case, then stuff standard hardware into it? (Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.)

    I have absolutely no trust in this company, its vision, or its future; and I feel deep sympathy for anyone who has had the displeasure of dealing with them in the past.

    1. Re:It's not even funny anymore by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      All this and they're jumping on a dying operating system! By the time this service shows up (if it shows up at all) their target audience will all have made the jump to Vista.

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    2. Re:It's not even funny anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This company has churned through incredible amounts of talent"

      Other than snipe an exec who had vaguely something to do with the Xbox's release, there's been no visible application of "talent" that I can see in any of their actions. Or common sense, for that matter.

  8. So Steam, but without any good games? by WombatDeath · · Score: 1

    Or any games at all, for that matter. Given their previous history, perhaps they could generate enough marketing spin to sell it as a 'content delivery platform for enriched surfing and targeted purchasing opportunities'.

    They wouldn't even need to develop anything; just strike a branding deal with Claria (or whatever they're called these days).

    1. Re:So Steam, but without any good games? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      Don't put it past them, these are the same people who aggressively market a bent plank with a keyboard on it as a revolutionary peripheral.

    2. Re:So Steam, but without any good games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, let's be fair here. It comes with Reader Rabbit, "Tom Clancy", and Metroid Prime!

  9. Initial offerings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    First game on their service?

    Duke Nukem Forever.

  10. Not a stretch? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    so it is not a stretch to believe this service will be launched sometime in the very near future
    I beg to differ. That's like saying it's not a stretch to think Duke Nukem Forever will be out soon, since the most recent development for it has also been for WinXP.

    Somehow the con just goes on and on... and somehow there's always a few gullible angels around willing to perpetuate it.

    What I love most is the brazen use of word "Phantom" in the name... I mean, why not just call it "Vaporware Console"?

    Anyway, here's a better analysis of both the company and of Tim Robert's curious (for lack of a better word) resume history.
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    1. Re:Not a stretch? by wiremind · · Score: 1

      thats 3 years old..

      I wonder if anythings changed?

      Do they even have an office yet?
      Where are the developers?
      Who are the developers?

  11. Most... by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

    ...appropriate console name *EVER*!

  12. Finally ... by Stavr0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    a platform on which to run Duke Nukem Forever.

  13. Path to Profit by koreaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Say you're doing something totally fantabulistically amazing.
    2) Seduce investors.
    3) Do nothing.
    4) Do nothing.
    5) Do nothing.
    6) Do nothing.
    7) Do nothing.
    8) Spend venture capital on crack and hookers.
    9) Do nothing.
    10) Declare that instead of doing something totally fantabulistically amazing, you're going to rewrite the same software that dozens of companies already have.
    11) Act like this is a simple "desing decision" rather than a total failure of your product.
    12) ???
    13) Profit!

    1. Re:Path to Profit by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You could have keft out "12) ???" -- there's no question marks, you've summed up his business plan perfectly without it.

      What I'm amazed by is that this business model continues to work post-dotcom-bust. I do understand that there are massive tax penalties for some of the VC firms out there if they don't invest the capital, but really... Roberts must have some good connections and be pretty charismatic.

      Anyone here ever worked with/for him, or dealt with him on a professional basis?

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    2. Re:Path to Profit by radish · · Score: 1

      Just in case there are any investors out there who are interested, I'd like to announce that I'm doing something totally fantabulistically amazing.

      And did anyone ever tell you how sparkly your eyes are? Like diamonds on an emerald tray.

      (taps feet...any moment now...)

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    3. Re:Path to Profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You could have keft out "12) ???" -- there's no question marks, you've summed up his business plan perfectly without it.

      Actually, this could all be summed up in three, easy steps (and surprisingly, it actually makes sense):

      1) Seduce investors.
      2) ???
      3) Profit!
    4. Re:Path to Profit by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Step two is put on a Broadway flop.

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    5. Re:Path to Profit by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean

      8) Spend venture capital on crack and hookers and dogs.

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  14. I'd love to be an employee there by Denial93 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So they will have a subscriber model and need people to connect to their servers to make money. But, crucially, they neither have hardware lock-in to make sure no-one sets up an alternative server to connect to, nor the resources to survive a dragged-out court battle if someone does. I want to be the guy who wrote the server code, has a copy of it all somewhere far away, and walks up to the boss demanding ten times the pay for not doing anything.

    1. Re:I'd love to be an employee there by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think that would require Infinium to have employees beyond its CEO.

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  15. So... by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, basically, Phantom just became a Gametap competitor?

    1. Re:So... by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. Gametap is available now.

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    2. Re:So... by BigCheese · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, more like a 419 scam competitor.

      When are these guys going to jail?

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    3. Re:So... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      By your standard, everyone who operated a .com that IPOed and went straight to zero deserves jail time as well.

  16. very much like 3DO by sylvek · · Score: 0

    1) market- and trend- breaking console and licensing for game developers
    2) game development only
    3) Chapter 11 bankrupcy reorganization
    4) Chapter 7 bankrupcy liquidation

    http://www.3doinfo.com/ is still there, sort of like epitaph.

    Be sure not to invest and immediately collect your paycheks/cosulting
    checks, like I did with 3DO.

    I still occasionally wear my 3DO T-shirt.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:very much like 3DO by Logiksan · · Score: 1

      Tim Roberts is no Trip Hawkins. Hawkins has a legacy of success (He founded a quaint little publisher known as Electronic Arts.) and actually has an idea of the market, despite his mistakes.

  17. Yep, sure by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Redundant
    it is not a stretch to believe this service will be launched sometime in the very near future

    Yeah, just after Duke Nuke 'Em Forever launches, right? Seriously, who are these announcements FOR anyway? Is anyone still stupid enough to be investing in this company? Hell, is anyone who HAS invested in them in the past still stupid enough to NOT be suing them at this point?

    -Eric

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    1. Re:Yep, sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People still respond to spam enough to make it profitable. Don't put investing in a horrible sunken ship of a company past them.

  18. Not a stretch? by rob1980 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    so it is not a stretch to believe this service will be launched sometime in the very near future

    Obviously you are not aware of this company's track record if you readily believe they are going to be launching any products anytime soon.

  19. Custom case, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I'm wondering how much it'd set me back (beyond a very large amount of time and new learning) to design my own computer case to fit ATX motherboards. With fancy ducting and fan mounts and sliding access bays and panels up the wazoo...

    1. Re:Custom case, eh? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Here's a guy who actually did a custom case using eMachineShop. Sadly, all his pics seem to be offline. However, his descriptions and engineering logs are intact. I just skimmed it, but it sounds like it cost him about $700 to do the one-off job he needed. The per-unit price would drop rapidly if you began ordering your design in bulk. (For example, if you were selling it online.)

  20. 23 comments so far by Crimsane · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And 6 mention 'duke nukem forever'.

    Has anyone pointed out yet that the phantom is an appropriate name for the console?

  21. Wasn't the point to take the guesswork out of PCs? by default+luser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Phantom console was intended to make PC gaming easy - it has one set of specs, and was configured from the factory. Combine that with downloadable games, and it was suppoed to be the easiest gaming PC you could imagine.

    Now, as an add-on to existing PCs, Phantom becomes a gaming service. No more pre-defined, pre-configured hardware and software...no, they'll have to download the latest video, audio and network drivers, OpenAL and DirectX installs, and then patch and tweak the game to get it "just right."

    Not that I'm dissing the PC, I love gaming on the PC, but it does require some knowledge to get certain games running.

    Now Phantom is just one of many download gaming services. How, exactly, do they expect to sell enough gaming subscriptions to pay back the millions of dollars they owe creditors, when they're swimming in a pool already filled with big players? Three years ago when the Phantom was announced, the idea of an online PC game delivery service was novel, but now that they've sat on the idea, the world has left them in the dust.

    Not like I ever expected anything solid to come out of Phantom. Nice to see them match my expectations.

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  22. Why does anyone trust them? by Hap76 · · Score: 1

    Infinium doesn't have a console that it's been "building" for four years (and of which it had previously claimed to have a working model), it sues people who discuss its shady background, and now it's changed its business model to something that can be criticized by a frosh in high school without looking stupid (no games? no copy protection? what?).

    My condolences to anyone related to the people running this company, particularly those of you who actually lent them money. To those who actually gave them money expecting a return on investment...oops.

  23. [H]ardOCP beat the crap out of a prototype... by Svartalf · · Score: 1

    Back a couple of years back, Kyle did a "Sledge-O-Matic" on an engineering prototype of a Phantom.

    Yes, they did have hardware- it wasn't anything to write home about. P4 machine, GeForce 4 class
    GPU... Nothing more than what Indrema promised and couldn't deliver on. That's not to say the
    console's little more than vapor and has been for some time- but it doesn't surprise me that they
    had to switch to little more than Steam's offer for all of this. They just couldn't deliver on the
    promises they made in a manner that could make money for all parties involved.

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  24. Good fit with my keyboard by Generic+Guy · · Score: 1

    Changing PHANTOM to a gaming service on my computer will be just fine, so long as it works with my Phantom Gaming Keyboard and Mouse setup. That is, as soon as said keyboard setup actually comes to market... /holding-breath

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  25. Heh, here's something else by Bouillabaisse · · Score: 1

    http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2006/08 /07/daily13.html

    May not mean much to anyone, but I used to work for that company and still have a good friend that works there now. Apparantly they're all super excited about this deal. Times like this I glad I got out of there. ;)

  26. *cough* by dangil · · Score: 0, Redundant

    steam *cough*

  27. Quoth Bender... by Moryath · · Score: 1

    "Those girls are naughty. They don't wear cases. You can see their bare circuit boards!"

  28. old news by matt328 · · Score: 1

    Tim Roberts is a con artist. Its a simple scheme, start a company, blow the initial capital on booze and hookers, declare the company bankrupt, clean up for a month or so and start over with a new company with new investors.

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  29. Phantom Game Service? I already have that. by kinglink · · Score: 1

    It's called Spyware, it gets on my computer and then the game is to remove as much of it with out get more spyware on my computer as I'm actually removing. Then I play it again and again. It's pretty repetative, but in the end you get a real sense of accomplishment, til the next day and then you get a sense of futility.

    1. Re:Phantom Game Service? I already have that. by servognome · · Score: 1

      The only winning move is not to play.

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    2. Re:Phantom Game Service? I already have that. by kinglink · · Score: 1

      Actually I found botting isn't bad either. Aka Spybot and Adaware :) But for the hardcore gamer there is no bots, just one on one combat! HOO HA!

  30. Phantomesque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure the Underpants Gnomes created this whole thing...PROFIT!

  31. Next step... by JFMulder · · Score: 1

    ... is being vapor only.

  32. RealArcade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be impressed if what they come out with is even comparable to RealArcade. The GameTap and Steam comparisons are giving it way too much credit. But then... someone managed to make RealArcade exist.

  33. Just a note by FLEB · · Score: 1

    (If anyone else is wondering, it was three-and-a-half screens when I got here.)

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  34. And the Phantom Console transitions... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    From vapor(hard)ware to vapor(soft)ware. How sublime*!

    *(pun intended :)

        -dZ.

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  35. copy and paste your resume into the subject field by SimHacker · · Score: 1

    Anybody with a really short resume looking for a job at Phantom?

    http://www.phantom.net/content/contactUs/careers.h tml:

    Our future depends on bright, energetic, talented people who share a passion for creating the best product imaginable! We offer a challenging work environment, a competitive salary, and excellent benefits. Interested candidates should apply online using our contact form and selecting the "Human Resources" department. Please copy and paste your resume into the subject field.

    The fact that they have no actual office, and use Mailboxes Etc as a mail drop, certainly makes the work environment challenging. Another great line:

    SEC Filings
    You can browse SEC filings in Edgar by clicking here. Note that you will be redirected to an external website. We cannot guarantee the accuracy and timeliness of any information therein.

    Why does Phantom have a disclaimer warning investors not to trust what they read about them on the SEC site? It should be reworded: "Phantom cannot guarantee the accuracy and timeliness of any information we file with the SEC", like: Notification of inability to timely file Form 10-Q or 10-QSB, or [Amend]Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities, or Registration Withdrawal Request.

    -Don

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