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Myspace to Sell MP3s From Unsigned Bands

soldrinero writes "Yahoo! news is hosting a story about a new competitor to Apple's iTunes Music Store. Nearly all the other iTunes competitors have been strongly controlled by the music industry, shackled in DRM, and giving little back to artists. The new MySpace music store will feature vanilla MP3 downloads at prices set by the individual bands (3 million of them!), all or nearly all of whom are unsigned musicians with no industry affiliation. Is this the example we have all been waiting for of how the Internet will obviate the business model of the recording industry?"

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  1. This is great news by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because pretty soon there will be pressure on RIAA bands who are on myspace to start selling their songs! This is definitely the revolution we are talking about where the RIAA record companies go bankrupt. Ironic that it will take a major multi-national corporation to do it!

  2. Re:No, because ... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. MySpace is the most popular site on the internet among the band-listening, teenage generation. Mind you, most of these bands should already be on iTunes via CDBaby... but still. If they don't fumble this, MySpace could easily put a very large dent in iTunes and the major labels, which is a good thing.

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  3. Typical misunderstanding of DRM by codefrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTA: "Songs can be sold [...] in non-copyright-protected MP3 digital file format [...]"

    This is a perfect horrible example of a 'innocent' slip which conflates DRM with copyright; it cooperates with the corporate worldview that DRM is necessary to protect copyright. I don't know how to get in touch with the author but I would really love to set this kind of thing straight.

    RMS may be a freak but I think he's right in that we have to be careful about the language we use; it defines and affects the thought patterns of both speaker and listener.

  4. Works until.. by neo8750 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This will probly end up working pretty decently give the "artists" don't decieded that they need to over charge for their music (price limits could be set by mysapce).

    On the other hand i could see the Record Industry just sitting and watching to see which band seems to be doing the best and then bum-rush them with a contract for them to sign so the RIAA can cash in (as we know they so love to do) on this fresh artist (that already has a decent fan base). Basicly they are letting Myspace do all the hard work of promoting the band and they will swoop in at the end snag up the band and then squeeze every last penny out of them and us when the band release the studio record through them.

    now if myspace really wanted to appeal to artist they should set up a recording studio and allow there artists they support to release records under their label.

    it be a win for both seeing how the artist get a cheaper studio to produce in and release under and mysapce makes some extra cash flow....yeah i know it probly won't happen but its just an idea.

  5. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Is this the example we have all been waiting for of how the Internet will obviate the business model of the recording industry?
    Yes... except it's at MySpace, the greatest hellhole on the entire Internet. I'm so conflicted...
    1. Re:Yes by shut_up_man · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, it's ok. It's like Jabba the Hutt helping to take down the Empire.

  6. iTunes Alternative? by joel8x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ""Everyone we've spoken to definitely wants an alternative to iTunes and the iPod. MySpace could be that alternative."

    This statement sounds really uninformed in its context in the article. There are a lot of alternatives, but most people don't want them. Anybody who has any tech savvy needs to take their head out of their ass when they come up with ideas like this. The reason why people put up with Apple's DRM'ed technology is because its easy to use. Non-tech people can and do use it, and those same people avoid the other options because they are confusing. Now, I understand that selling a DRM-less MP3 will work with the iPod, which is very important to compete, but how will it be delivered to the user? Will it automatically show up in a playlist in a program such as iTunes so that a non-tech person doesn't have to search for the downloaded file and put it where it belongs so he/she can immediately play it after its done? There are a lot of little details that Apple paid attention to that contribute to its success with this industry. Until someone can come up with a total solution that plays as nicely as iTunes and works with the iPod, they will all be dead in the water.

    As technical people, this news sounds great, but we are a relatively small population compared to the rest of the world. In order for an idea like this to work on the level of iTunes/iPod, the less-than-savvy need to be addressed.

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  7. Re:No, because ... by lixee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heard of the Arctic Monkeys? The first album from that indie band has become the fastest-selling debut album in UK chart history.

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  8. Re:No, because ... by tehwebguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    106,458,400 profiles as of right now..

    i assumed that no one was thick enough to make a "myspace is for emo kids only" joke anymore

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  9. Re:Vanilla Mp3 by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want chocolate mp3s, or better yet, neopolitan!

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  10. Re:No, because ... by tehwebguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    indeed. this is a pretty good move by myspace, they aren't stupid enough to think that their user base would buy a song that won't work on their ipod. the fact that they can say things like "DRM FREE" helps out too.

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  11. Same Model As Netflix... Almost by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Netflix does the same thing, only they sign unsigned movies that play at Sundance and the like, and give them non-exclusive DVD distribution deals.

    The real key? Once on Netflix, they get pushed as a new release over the recommendation mechanism. So, heard of or not, they get exposure and an audience quickly.

    MySpace has nothing like that to push unsigned bands, except to offer a sales/download link from all pages using the song. Also, Netflix hand picks each indie film, whereas MySpace is not hand picking indie bands and their songs.

    Honestly, I don't see the advantage here from the band's perspective. Selling a Vanilla mp3 is not hard for even the least qualified web tech using any e-commerce storefront. There's no DRM to fool with, so all you have to do is take an order, and offer a random url download or e-mail the MP3 directly to them. But, since its on the honor system, why not just let everyone download all the mp3's, and put up a paypal link as a "Tip Jar".

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  12. Um...this is how it works... by SamMichaels · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Plenty of confusion here...people have already commented to clear up the DRM confusion, let's take a look at the industry:

    1. The label signs the artist.
    2. The label pays for expensive studio time.
    3. The rep from the label contacts the program directors at radio stations to get airplay. Sending your demo tape to a station will not get you on the air...reps who offer tickets at concerts and coop opportunities for bigger artists get airplay (because payola is technically illegal).
    4. The label pays for CD duplication, printing, distribution.
    5. The label sends your CD to the music outlets.
    6. The label arranges concerts, merchandising, etc to make you rich (because we all know artists make nearly nothing on the music itself).

    In this day and age, computers and very inexpensive technology have somewhat eliminated the need for expensive studio time...but you can't cheap out on a real producer and real mastering engineer. Regardless, let's assume you have a decent recording. Instead of radio airplay, you go for popularity on myspace. You have no costs for CD duplication, printing, distribution or the need for agreements with music outlets. You arrange tshirt/mug/hat printing from an online business.

    So...we're basically outdating the labels and the radio stations.

    1. Re:Um...this is how it works... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      you can't cheap out on a real producer and real mastering engineer

      Are you sure? I've been involved with a couple of low-volume CD releases (choral and classical). We got the entire thing done very cheaply (around £2/CD total costs for a run of under 200), and no one complained about the quality. Sure, if you've got a 'singer' who is so untalented that you need to apply complex frequency correction to his or her voice to make her sound remotely competent then you might need someone expensive, but if you already have a good sound then putting it on a disc isn't too hard.

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    2. Re:Um...this is how it works... by DMaster0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      okay, you're a little confused about how the music industry actually works, works for itself, and doesn't represent the rights and best interest of the musicians they "sign". (or indenture, depending on how you like to look at it).

      Typical Major Label:

      1. The label signs the artist. to a contract that allows the record label to own forever, the music that the artists create, giving the label all rights to income from the artists, forever. This means that someone who writes a song doesn't actually get credit for the song except for very small royalties. This is why Michael Jackson owns most of The Beatles works and profits from anyone buying older Beatles CD's today. They may in some cases give them a small chunk of good money up front. Unfortunately, this is almost always counted against future profits.

      2. The label pays for expensive studio time. And then bills the artists against future royalties, ensuring that the label doesn't have to pay for a crappy album.

      3. The rep from the label contacts the program directors at radio stations to get airplay. Sending your demo tape to a station will not get you on the air...reps who offer tickets at concerts and coop opportunities for bigger artists get airplay (because payola is technically illegal). This is why mainstream radio sounds exactly the same, and why plenty of good bands get absolutely no airplay. This is ruining music.

      4. The label pays for CD duplication, printing, distribution. and again, bills the artist for this against future royalties. Thanks.

      5. The label sends your CD to the music outlets. technically the music outlets purchase the CD's from the labels. They're not getting them for free. They're not even getting them at very good prices honestly, but that's all you get. Of course big high volume chains get a better price than small independent stores, but that's business. This is also ruining music, music stores, and the ability to find good music anywhere that isn't being stroked by the record labels to do it.

      6. The label arranges concerts, merchandising, etc to make you rich (because we all know artists make nearly nothing on the music itself). And again, the label bills the band against profits for all the expenses they incur on a tour if they're the ones sponsoring it. That's why you get all the tours sponsored by Best Buy, Budweiser and any other promotional agency. The label takes in the $$ from promotion, bills the artists for the costs (and doesn't necessarily use the promotional windfalls to offset the touring expenses!) and takes their profit that way. Sometimes, depending on how much of their rights the band signed over to the label in the first place, the band has to give the labels a cut of concert profit, a cut of merch, and their share becomes an even smaller slice of the pie.

      Can you imagine working for 2 years and being in more debt than when you started? This is what happens to most bands that sign a major label deal, but never end up being astoundingly popular and successful. When you've got 5 guys in a band, you'll be VERY lucky to turn an actual profit on a major label deal without selling 3+ million copies of an album and leading a very successful sold-out tour of mid-size venues. Clubs and small venues aren't going to cut it. This is also why moderately successful bands tour incessantly for 2+ years on one album. They're hugely in debt, and the labels usually have the least control over concert revenues (since often times concerts can and do lose lots of money and the record labels haven't figured out a way for a band to take the blame on that one if they try to profit off it at the same time). This is also why a band can have a slightly popular album, or a one-hit-wonder quality song, sell a million copies of an album (yay!) and never be heard from ever again. Their backs are against a wall, the record label owns everything they've created, and they're also in debt $100k to SonyBMG because S

  13. Re:No, because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mind you, most of these bands should already be on iTunes via CDBaby

    ROFLMAO! You obviously don't waork in the industry. I work for an indie music distro and do A/R for a couple of labels. I can't even describe how _terrible_ most bands are. MySpace is like a meeting place for all the bands that send their demos to every label on Earth and just can't figure out why no one will sign them (because they are absolutely awful). These bands aren't on iTMS because most labels don't care about bands that would sell maybe one download per year.

  14. Re:No, because ... by bsharitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Exactly. DRM free music stores that sell unsigned artists aren't new, but they didn't have any mainstream reach. MySpace is probably the first that is big enough to actually make a dent.

  15. Re:No, because ... by Nuskrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    You underestimate just how many emo kids there are out there

  16. Re:No, because ... by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why?

    Because it threatens their business model, and they are scared shitless of change.

    It will turn out to be a good deal for them

    That's irrelevant. Radio was a good deal for them, and they fought tooth and nail because it threatened their business model. VCRs were a great deal for the movie industry, and look how hard they fought that.

    It removes a level of risk from their business - as long as they have a lock on the major distribution channels they control the serious money.

    First of all, they don't want control of the "serious" money, they want control of *all* of the money.

    Second, your condition ("as long as they have a lock") is not at all assured. What happens when major artists discover they no longer *need* the "major" distribution channels?

    Third, record labels make millions of dollars from artists just starting out that are willing to sign contracts for what can only be charitably described as indentured servitude. When these artists see "hey, I'm paying for this myself anyway, why don't I keep all the money", the big record labels lose a major source of revenue. Steve Albini wrote an excellent essay entitled "The Problem with Music" - it's a must read if you want to know how the music industry works - which you need to if you want to understand their motivations and why they're so scared of the internet.

  17. Who Owns it? by tacocat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder what is going to happen to these unsigned songs when the band is signed and wants to use these songs in their first album. Will MySpace own the music?

  18. Re:No, because ... by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 4, Insightful



    And of course the established music industry only signs really, really good bands to contracts.

    </sarcasm>

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  19. Re:No, because ... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "And of course the established music industry only signs really, really good bands to contracts."

    Sarcasm noted. However, I think you should watch the American Idol auditions to get an idea of what he's referring to. If MySpace's music gig turns into a big joke because it's bombarded by crap (as it already has a reputation for in other areas...), what does the RIAA really have to worry about?

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  20. Compulsory licensing here we come by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    along with mandatory broadcast flags. Both of which are nuts and are really designed to raise the entry fee. The RIAA will get their pound of flesh one way or another. We already subsidize that bunch with the tax on blank recording material.

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