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Nanocosmetics Used Since Ancient Egypt

Roland Piquepaille writes "French researchers have found that Egyptians, Greek and Romans were using nanotechnology to dye their hair several thousands years ago. Nanowerk Spotlight reports they were using lead compounds which generated lead sulfide (PbS) nanocrystals with a diameter of only 5 nanometers. At a moment where many people wonder if the use of nanoparticles is safe, it's good to know that nanotechnology has been widely used for a very long time."

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  1. Using "nanotechnology" to dye your hair... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is hardly the same as using nanotechnology to repair your brain or otherwise ingest.

    And aside from that, I'd hardly call this "nanotechnology" just because a hair dye process deemed effective by ancient Egyptians coincidentally happened to generate particle small enough to meet the definition of "nanoparticle".

    Additionally, this is yet another questionable Roland Piquepaille submission.

    1. Re:Using "nanotechnology" to dye your hair... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4

      Beyond that, the question of health effects isn't even addressed. That's the whole point right? How do environmental nanoparticles effect those who are exposed to them? So they had nanoparticles, and ancient egypt existed, so it must not be too bad, right? Or maybe there was more than one reason that they died young...Just because something existed in the past doesn't mean it's not a danger in the here and now.

      Regardless, if they were using lead based cosmetics they're not exactly a model to emulate.

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    2. Re:Using "nanotechnology" to dye your hair... by LewsKinslayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. If this is what nanotechnology has come to mean, then we need to abandon the word entirely, and move on to a new one. When I think of nanotechnology I think of molecular manufacturing, and Fullerene nanogears, you know, the sort of nanotechnology that actually moves around and does stuff.

    3. Re:Using "nanotechnology" to dye your hair... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least tag this Roland so people with a brain won't waste their time commenting...

      Actually, I've been tagging them "pigpile". But I'll add "roland" as well. Thanks!

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    4. Re:Using "nanotechnology" to dye your hair... by msobkow · · Score: 5, Funny


      Lead poisoning occurs regardless of the size of the lead particles.


      It seems the article poster has a reputation, based on the grandparent comment. If they can try to spin lead poisoning as proof that nano-tech is safe and keep a straight face, they must have spent part of their career working for the tobacco industry.

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  2. Not exactly a ringing endorsement... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At a moment where many people wonder if the use of nanoparticles is safe, it's good to know that nanotechnology has been widely used for a very long time.


    Well...humans have done other things for a long time that were none too healthy. A few examples:
    • Smoking was thought to be harmless....doctors used to smoke.
    • People used to eat and drink from pewter vessels.
    • People used to use asbestos as insulation.
    • (etc. etc. etc.)


    So just because people used to do something for a long time doesn't necessarily make it harmless.
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  3. Roland Piquepaille article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is another Roland Piquepaille article.

    1. Re:Roland Piquepaille article by solevita · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please God, grant me the ability to punch Roland Piquepaille in the face over standard TCP/IP.

      ;)

  4. Safety by evanbd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Huh? I'm pretty sure the Egyptians didn't do a lot of work to decide if it was safe. The lead used would be unsafe regardless of the nanoparticulate nature of the compound. Lead was used in lots of other ways through history, too. That doesn't make it safe.

  5. This does not inspire confidence by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    These same people were drinking wine from lead goblets, I don't know if they are the ones we should be looking at for safety advice.

    1. Re:This does not inspire confidence by jaysones · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's hardly safe- All of these people are dead!

  6. Good point... by Error27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At a moment where many people wonder if the use of nanoparticles is safe, it's good to know that nanotechnology has been widely used for a very long time.

    Rubbing your head with lead sulfide definitely sounds safe enough, I guess that proves that nothing can go wrong with using technology.

  7. not a good example of saftey in nanotech by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Funny
    I mean, you do realize- all those people are dead now?

    a 100% mortality rate does not bode well for the method...

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  8. Are you kidding? by bshort404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without a doubt, this is the worst post ever.

    The Egyptians used nano-particles? There's a world of difference between a very small mineral grain and a synthesized nano-bot.

    Get a clue.

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  9. It's a friggin *lead* compound... by comingstorm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... plus, it's very finely divided, which makes it much more active than the big chunks of lead that we avoid because they cause brain damage.

    In general, any "nanotechnology" that isn't encapsulated will have this problem; a very large specific surface area can make things hazardous even if the substance is otherwise chemically inert.

    And I'll second parent's assertion that it's not actually nanotechnology; it's friggin' chemistry. When you can program it, or it can reproduce, *then* you can call it genuine nanotech; not before.

  10. Q and A by rs79 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Q: "When, exactly, did Slashdot become so retarded?"

    A: During the Bush admistrations war on science, reason, morals and ethics.

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  11. what a crap write up by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    calling what the ancient egyptians were doing with PbS "nanotechnology" is like saying me popping my zits is "ecosystem terraforming"

    "At a moment where many people wonder if the use of nanoparticles is safe, it's good to know that nanotechnology has been widely used for a very long time"

    oh yeah! i just farted! therefore, global warming isn't a threat to mankind!

    that's about the same level of logical deduction there dear author!

    who wrote this crap and who greenlighted it?

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  12. Re:If the ancient Egyptians used it... by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... their life spans were totally almost half of ours.

    The people who wore these hair dyes were typically of the upper classes. The upper classes might well live to something even we would recognize as an advanced age.

    Pepi II is thought to have ruled for 94 years. Ramses II lived to see his 90th birthday and his heir was in his 60s when he took the throne, ruling for about another 20 years.

    Do not confuse life expectency with ages that might well be fairly commonly attainable. A huge chunk of the the lower life expectency is due to high infant mortality and death during childbirth, scewing the statistics. If one made it to the 21st year; and didn't work on pyramids and such, one's life outlook was held to be something around the classic age of man; four score and ten. That's why it's the classic age.

    KFG

  13. I am now convinced about Roland Piquepaille by KWTm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I read with some skepticism the negative comments[1] regarding Roland Piquepaille, some postulating that some staff member of Slashdot has a secret agreement to accept his submissions.

    Well, now, this takes the cake. Egyptians using nanoparticles? This is news?

    Ahem, In Other News ...
    When Gandhi incited civil disobedience against British rule by picking up a pinch of salt from the sea, those sodium chloride particles were less than one nanometre across![2] OMG! The Indians used nanotechnology to overthrow the British!!! WTF! Is this a harbinger of the war-like uses of nanotechnology??? BBQ!!!1!!11!one!1!

    Can we have a topic devoted to Roland Piquepaille so that we can adjust our viewing preferences in accordance with the amount of adoration we feel for this Submitter of Many Slashdot Articles?

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    [2] (Yeah, I know the actual particles of salt he held were more than 1nm across, but then it dissolved into the sweat from his fingertips, and the salt regrouped into nanoparticles that spread out in a thin layer across his fingertips.)

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  14. Long history of stupid uses of toxic chemicals by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Romans and Greeks used lead paints to make their faces white. After the fall of Rome, people selectively poisoned themselves with arsenic to make themselves look paler. And, given the health impacts of stuff like silicosis and asbestos damage, both of which are related to particle size and shape, I'd say that any small particle had better be eyed pretty warily by anyone with brains, no matter what idiots in the past have done with it.

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