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MGM to Produce "The Hobbit"

pawnder writes, "According to two sources, MGM and New Line are partnering to produce 'The Hobbit' as part of MGM's new plans to create blockbuster movies again. From theonering.net: 'Over the next few years, MGM is planning to release half a dozen films, some in the $150 million to $200 million-plus range. Studio is ready to unveil such high-profile projects as "Terminator 4"; one or two installments of "The Hobbit," which Sloan hopes will be directed by Peter Jackson; and a sequel to "The Thomas Crown Affair" with Pierce Brosnan.'" With or without Tom singing, is what I want to know.

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  1. age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since all the actors are older, how are they going to portray them as younger looking? I'm mostly wondering about Gandolf and Gollum.

    1. Re:age by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's instantly obvious that you've got no knowledge of Middle Earth history. Gandalf is possibly hundreds of years old.
      "Gandalf is possibly hundreds of years old"? You really shouldn't be saying other people don't know Middle Earth history.
    2. Re:age by Grant_Watson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Presumably, this is a joke, but what they hey.

      Gandalf (TTT): "Three hundred lives of men I have walked this earth and now I have no time. "

    3. Re:age by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gandalf is indeed a maia (god), and his first appearance in Middle Earth was around 1,000 in the Third Age, though, making his current form about 2,019 years old.

    4. Re:age by Eccles · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's like goldy or bronzy, only it's made out of iron.

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    5. Re:age by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's true, and it always put me in mind of another thing that doesn't make sense if you only saw the movies: why would Sauron be afraid of Aragorn, and how is it that Aragorn was able to resist the temptation of the ring and deny Sauron the palantirs? In the movies Sauron is a seemingly omnipotent evil.

      It's only when you read all the back story notes Tolkien wrote before writing LOTR that you find out that the Numenoreans, Aragorn's ancestors, were so powerful that they kicked Sauron's butt and kept him imprisoned and tortured in a tower for a long, long time. They were so powerful that they made war on the Valinor, nearly made it, but then were cast down for their blasphemy. That's when Sauron escaped, and the survivors fled to found Gondor and the Northern kingdom.

      So Sauron was really more like an evil Gandalf on steroids, and knew that Aragorn had the stuff to take him down.

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  2. Who cares about the hobbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A sequel to the thomas crown affair! I am so excited.

  3. Re:Huh?!?! by Kuj0317 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yep.

    One for there
    One for back again

    clean division.

    I know, jokes aside i agree. However, this is hollywood, and epics=$$$.

  4. The singing Tom Bombadil - for the confused by lightyear4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Few are those who will understand the reference to Tom singing without having read the Hobbit and Tolkien's related works. As is often the sad truth about interpretations of books, sections get omitted for brevity and plot considerations. Unfortunately, this has a tendency to remove some of the depth present in the original work. Such is the case with Tom; this is why his name is unfamiliar whereas Bilbo et al are near universal in recognition.

    Here are two rather good sources of information about Tom:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bombadil
    http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html

    1. Re:The singing Tom Bombadil - for the confused by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just remember, however, Tom Bombadil doesn't appear in The Hobbit...

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    2. Re:The singing Tom Bombadil - for the confused by coldmist · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the contrary, It's from Tom (and the tomb where he rescues the hobbits) that they get the swords with ancient magic which can kill Sauron in the end. It is important for that point, if nothing else.

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    3. Re:The singing Tom Bombadil - for the confused by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if I had my way, we'd see a singing Tom AND he would be played by Shatner.

      Such a missed opportunity.

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    4. Re:The singing Tom Bombadil - for the confused by coldmist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, Which they use to kill the captain of the ring-raiths, not Sauron.

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  5. Possibly the wrong Idea by AndyG314 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really think that the movie industry is out of touch with this one. The more spent on a movie, the bigger the risk is, since there is more up-front cost to recupe. So rather than going for new unproven ideas, they rehash the same ideas, and do sequils.

    The problem is that the movie industry has grown so bloated that the idea of tightening budgest, and making movies on the cheap that don't need to grose as much to be profitable isn't even considered, instead they simply throw more money at the problem.

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  6. why would peter jackson direct it? by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... one or two installments of "The Hobbit," which Sloan hopes will be directed by Peter Jackson ...

    I thought Peter Jackson was quoted as saying he'd love to do it! (right after king kong?) And if they're saying the studio would want him to direct it. Umm, the only thing left I can see is financial terms. After the boatload of money he brought in for the LoTR trilogy*, I can't see them saying no to his terms :)

    * yes, I know it's not really a trilogy, but that's what we're calling it cuz he made 3 movies, ok!? :P

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  7. Re:Huh?!?! by JeTmAn81 · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all, technically there was only one LOTR book, which was split into three separate books for publishing purposes. The subdivision of "books" inside the novel denoted a separation that was more akin to chapters than actual whole books. Second of all, Jackson isn't doing anything on this project yet, so why are you blaming him? Lastly, Jackson made three GREAT films out of the single-book LOTR. I will applaud any effort he makes, if indeed he does make one, at making The Hobbit into a film or films.

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  8. Not on my watch! by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    There were only 3 LoTR books. Not 6.

    6, usually sold two by two in three volumes.

    You're on notice, buster: One more show of geekish ignorance and I'll have your nerd badge!

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    1. Re:Not on my watch! by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually you should be put on notice.

      It was written as one book, but was divided up due to wartime shortages on paper and to keep the printing price down on the first volume.

      Stop confusing individual books with volumes.

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  9. Tom Singing? by dslauson · · Score: 3, Informative
    "With or without Tom singing, is what I want to know."
    Tom singing? Is he talking about Tom Bombadil? That's not in the hobbit, anyway, that was in the first book of LOTR, and was cut from the move, if I'm not mistaken. And rightly so. That was quite possibly the lamest part of the whole middle earth saga, IMHO.
    1. Re:Tom Singing? by Himring · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Informative? Yes, on Tom not being in the Hobbit. A resounding "No!" on Tom as lame (of course, I think I'm eating troll bait here).

      As I explained above, Tom was not necessary to the telling of LoTR & Jackson can be forgiven for not including him. He is irreplaceable to the cosmology -- that primary effort of Tolkien wherein is found LoTR, The Hobbit, et al.

      Such statements as you make reveal that you assume LoTR was Tolkien's main effort. It was not. He wanted, and indeed first did, create a cosmology wherein he placed a history and languages and then, oh yes, he decided it needed some stories and thus you have LoTR, The Hobbit, etc., ... almost as an afterthought.

      This is why Tolkien is so rich and so landmark and arguably the creator of an entire genre -- modern fantasy (yes, yes, my English prof & I argued on that point, but he was responsible, if nothing else, for publishing fantasy abroad and birthing the modern form of it).

      The main reason LoTR has such staying power is the layers underneath, and these layers are language built on history built on cosmology (and mythos). Lucky you are if you read other fantasy writer's beforehand. I messed up and made Tolkien my 2nd journey into fantasy as a teenager (I'm now near 40). I cannot enjoy any other fantasy now. It all goes back to Tolkien & so do I (ok, ok, Jordan is good stuff too)....

      As one friend told me, "I really messed up and read Tolkien first, now I can't stand those other books."

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  10. Re:Graverobbing by kalirion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, how is Pixar's stuff the same movie again? What exactly do Monster's Inc. and The Incredibles have in common? Or are you saying that all family friendly CGI cartoons where the good guys win are the same movie?

  11. RTFS by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Informative

    C'mon folks. I know that it's really hard to click through to the article, but can we at least read the summary?

    One or two installments of "The Hobbit," which Sloan hopes will be directed by Peter Jackson

    Looks like it's the studio that wants two in installments. Since Jackson hasn't even been hired onto the project, he can't be making decisions about it. I'm not a Jackson fan, but please, give credit to the formulaic movie execs where credit is due.

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  12. Re:Huh?!?! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative
    There were only 3 LoTR books. Not 6.

    LoTR is actually one novel of six books published in three volumes.

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  13. Depends on what you mean by "book" by Kelson · · Score: 4, Informative

    The term "book" can have two meanings:

    1. A physical book, a.k.a. a volume.
    2. A larger division of a work, which can include its own chapters.

    It's not uncommon for a single novel to be divided into anywhere from 3-5 "books."

    Les Miserables, for instance, has either five or six "books," but AFAIK it has always been packaged in one volume (often abridged -- that thing is massive). Never mind the many "books" of the Bible, which is itself one book.

    So arguing over 3 books vs. 6 is simply arguing at cross-purposes.

    1. Re:Depends on what you mean by "book" by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

      The term "book" can have two meanings:

      A tad more than two, actually.


      So arguing over 3 books vs. 6 is simply arguing at cross-purposes.


      Nope, it's arguing about the litteral content of the literary work in question: Inside the physical "book", sections are labelled by the author and publisher as books and volumes.

      It is not arguing at cross purpose: I know for a fact that the division is 6 books, 3 volumes, one novel. This is the division that the creators of the work in question choose.
      The people who argue against this are factually wrong, they based their error on a misinterpretation of the word "book", coupled with ignorance of the content of the work in question.

      I will not pretend that they are right, when I can back up my claim with easily obtained evidence.
      I guess that makes me a nerd.

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  14. Re:Graverobbing by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, how is Pixar's stuff the same movie again?

    He's just bashing $POPULAR_THING to define himself by rejecting what is popular.

    It's much easier to define yourself by rejecting things other accomplished than by accomplishing things yourself, you know.

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  15. What have I got in my pocket? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh yeah money, loads and loads of money.

  16. Re:Three movies I'd like to see by keithburgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I very much agree with scrameustache. Also, the idea of a "female, SEXY terminator" is LAME right off the bat. Terminator 2 was one of the best action films of all time, and one major reason for that was Linda Hamilton. She did all the heavy weight acting. 3 had simply no business being made. And the fact that they're THINKING of making a 4 is just outrageous and I hope that moviegoers simply give up on movies all together and strangle the industry, like what's happening in the music industry. you can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time. -keith

  17. The Octopussy Affair? by PMuse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure, a man who is no longer on Her Majesty's secret service needs a new gig, but some roles you can can't live twice.

    What are they going to do? Have Russo take the spy who loved her to Russia to test his nimble fingers at lifting a golden gun or some diamonds. Yeah, that's just what the doctor ordered, no? If they keep on stealing stuff forever, soon they'll be trying to rake in the moon!

    That may be fine for your eyes, but I predict a thunderous ball of poo. Just live and let it die already.

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  18. Re:Huh?!?! by JeTmAn81 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, technically it's still just one book published as three. Let's get our terminology straight here. The "books" used to divide The Lord of The Rings are not at all the same as the term used to describe the books of, say, the Harry Potter series, which were meant to be published separately and to stand alone. Again, they're more like chapters, and were never meant to be read separately or taken out of the context of the overall novel.

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  19. Tom Bombadil is crucial to LOTR plot by Phoenix666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the movie, Aragorn randomly hands the four hobbits four short swords right before the Nazgul attack at Amon Sul. He doesn't explain where they come from nor how he came to have them. Later, Merry uses his to stab the Witch King in the back of the knee, which despite the admonition "no man can slay me," seems to be pretty effective at hurting him and rendering him vulnerable to Eowyn's coup de grace. But nobody knows why.

    Now, Tolkien, in true Tolkien fashion, had a back-story for everything, and the Tom Bombadil episode provided the back story for those swords. (It also did other things, but I won't go into that here). The four hobbits escape Buckland in the Shire into the adjacent woods where Bombadil rules. They have various adventures, but as they're just about to get back onto the road to Bree, they are taken by wights who drag them into ancient barrows. Bombadil comes to rescue them, and gives them swords he finds there. The barrows belonged to warrior kings of the Northern Kingdom, who forged their swords with spells to break the enchantments of the Witch King of Angmar, their mortal enemy.

    So, at the moment of truth on the plains of Gondor, Merry's sword was the only one around that could have possibly broken the Witch King's invulnerability.

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    1. Re:Tom Bombadil is crucial to LOTR plot by Himring · · Score: 5, Informative

      Interesting point on Merry's sword vs. the Witch King. I never made that connection before.

      The thing about Tom is his mysterious nature. My initial forays into the Internet, in the early 90s, was to discuss Tolkien and I specifically remember the early and best dialogues concerning Bombadil. I have often thought that he is one of the most, if not the most, discussed aspect of ME on the Internet.

      Tolkien knew the power of the unfinished tale (no pun), and indeed made a doosey in Bombadil. To read about Tom in LoTR is to not get bogged down by his appearance or nonsensical nature. It is instead to realize that these mask an incredibly powerful being, of great mystery, who is embedded in the mythos of Tolkien. Tolkien was no dummy, and knew exactly what he was doing when having Gandalf answer the question of who Bombadil was with "he is" (akin to the "Yahweh" of Judaism). I think Tolkien very cleverly added aspects from Norse & other religions into his work as George Lucas, and others, have learned to do.

      Tom carries incredible influence over everything around him, and is the only being to not only NOT be tempted by the ring, but to actually play with it and even, inversely, make the ring itself disappear (to which he laughs). If all else were to fall to Sauran, Gandalf explains, there would be only Tom, "he was the first and will be the last" (alpha/omega reference?). (I'm pulling these quotes off my head, but they should be 99% accurate.

      Others see Tom as a nature spirit or with other meaning, but the point should be that he marries the LoTR to the greater cosmology. Leaving him out of the movies has almost elevated his mystery IMO. I think it was a good move all around.

      I certainly do not remember him being in The Hobbit, and although I've not read The Hobbit in years, I have read it a half dozen times. Still, I've learned the hard way on making pronouncements about Tolkien's works -- so avid are the fans as even Ebert pointed out....

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  20. Re:Gandalf might be tough.. by Khashishi · · Score: 4, Funny
    If he died shortly after filming, I am absolutely floored by how well they animated his corpse in X3.

    That was Ian the Grey. X3 starred Ian the White.