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Advertising Screen Tailors Ads to Audience

An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist are running an article about a system which tailors the ads displayed on a screen according to what BlueTooth gadgets people are carrying. A bit like the billboards in Minority Report ." Awkward situations created by devices like this will be scenes in the sit-coms of tomorrow.

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  1. Learn by repetition by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many times do you need to hear/see an advert for it to sink in?

    This system is geared for that once only viewing:

    As each passing device has a unique Bluetooth signal, this enables the screen to identify different individuals passing by. It builds a record of the adverts those people have been previously been shown to make sure messages are not repeated.

    Surely advertisers want you to be paying enough attention to get the product information but to not drill it in 500 times a day.

    Seems like a good idea, but the privacy advocates will go bananas (and demand it dismantled when all thats needed is to take out your bluteeth)

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    1. Re:Learn by repetition by ben+there... · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, it's all great until they tie your wireless signal to your credit card history, and suddenly you're the guy who gets donkey sex ads displayed on the screen in McDonald's because of your porn subscriptions.

    2. Re:Learn by repetition by Chapter80 · · Score: 1
      How many times do you need to hear/see an advert for it to sink in?

      This system is geared for that once only viewing:

      As each passing device has a unique Bluetooth signal, this enables the screen to identify different individuals passing by. It builds a record of the adverts those people have been previously been shown to make sure messages are not repeated.

      Surely advertisers want you to be paying enough attention to get the product information but to not drill it in 500 times a day.

      Seems like a good idea, but the privacy advocates will go bananas (and demand it dismantled when all thats needed is to take out your bluteeth)

      How many times do you need to hear/see an advert for it to sink in?

      This system is geared for that once only viewing:

      As each passing device has a unique Bluetooth signal, this enables the screen to identify different individuals passing by. It builds a record of the adverts those people have been previously been shown to make sure messages are not repeated.

      Surely advertisers want you to be paying enough attention to get the product information but to not drill it in 500 times a day.

      Seems like a good idea, but the privacy advocates will go bananas (and demand it dismantled when all thats needed is to take out your bluteeth)
    3. Re:Learn by repetition by Craptastic+Weasel · · Score: 1

      Heh, Am I the only one who RTFA and noticed they're calling it "BlueScreen"?

      That's ambitious. Hmm wonder if Microsoft has a product(s?) patented in that name? :)

    4. Re:Learn by repetition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally im all for privacy, but i do not see this as a issue. Its your fault if you carry about bluetooth devices and think others wont listen in, turn it off if you want, its your call.

      Personally, i much like this idea. Now if only they would come out with bluetooth dildos, anal plugs/beads, or other sex toys. I do hope they are smart enough to not show such adverts in front of children, but, in any case, ill still be laughing.

    5. Re:Learn by repetition by lostboy2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They sell donkey sex at McDonald's now? Do you get fries with that? I'm lovin' it!

    6. Re:Learn by repetition by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Your attempt to illustrate the idea of repeating seems to be missing the target though. Repeating works only when there is really a chance of grabbing the attention with the first showing. Ads need to satisfy the the aesthetic demands of the consumer. They need to give something: nice colors, a beach, a tree.

      Show me something and then I will read the repetition.

      Ok, I read the repetition because it was an intriguing way of making your point. But it will work only one time.

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    7. Re:Learn by repetition by ConsumerOfMany · · Score: 1
      hey sell donkey sex at McDonald's now?

      No, but they do at Mooby's It even comes with a guy in a Gimp Suit.

    8. Re:Learn by repetition by Chapter80 · · Score: 1
      Your attempt to illustrate the idea of repeating seems to be missing the target though. Repeating works only when there is really a chance of grabbing the attention with the first showing. Ads need to satisfy the the aesthetic demands of the consumer. They need to give something: nice colors, a beach, a tree.

      Show me something and then I will read the repetition.


      ok, you asked for it.
    9. Re:Learn by repetition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is a stupid idea. For instance, here, in Paris, we have billboards with moving ads. The net result is that, for instance, I don't go to the movies as often as before. It generally goes like:

      "Oh, a new Kitano movie. What is the title ? Oops. Too late. Gone"

      Single view ads, will do the following:

      "Oh, that new gadget seems interesting. But I have that meeting at 09:00"

      next day:

      "There was some interesting ad somewhere, but I have no idea which one it was. Well, such is life"

      They invented 404 for ads. Brillant.

      Of course, the truth is that billboard companies customers are ad agencies, which are the one that are going to be have to pass the cost to their customers. Billboard will just raise their prices for almost exactly the same cost to them, which was the goal.

    10. Re:Learn by repetition by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      They sell donkey sex at McDonald's now?
      I think you misspelled meat.
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    11. Re:Learn by repetition by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Well, one does not need to smell the excrements to know that they smell bad.

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    12. Re:Learn by repetition by nizo · · Score: 1

      I can't wait to see billboards that target specific products carried by people. For example, who is gonna carry an iPod anymore when every billboard shows penis enlargement ads when they walk by????

    13. Re:Learn by repetition by IAmTheDave · · Score: 1
      How many times do you need to hear/see an advert for it to sink in?

      I can't for the life of me remember the reference (anyone?) but I seem to recall reading that it was three times - as in you would have to see a commercial at least three times before your brain actually recals the product being sold more than a few seconds after it ends.

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    14. Re:Learn by repetition by CapnGrunge · · Score: 1

      > I think you misspelled meat.

      Hey, I've had donkey meat and it's still better than McDonald's stuff.

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  2. myes... by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

    ... bluetooth-enabled pocket-puss ftw. Kinda reminds me of that commercial where the guy and girl are in a waiting room and a cell-phone rings. The girl digs in her purse and promptly answers her vibrator.... which she turns on... and then is too embarassed to turn off as she quickly hides it...

    I can just picture girlfriends asking their b/fs: "Why is it that all of these websites are advertising sex-toys?"

    /sigh

    1. Re:myes... by kotj.mf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good thing I'm not currently carrying any Bluetooth devices. No ads for me? Sweeet.

      What's that, you say? It can detect the court ordered electronic monitoring device attached to my ankle? Shit!

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    2. Re:myes... by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

      What's that, you say? It can detect the court ordered electronic monitoring device attached to my ankle? Shit!

      The purpose of said monitoring device to ensure that you don't skip out on bail prior to your hearing. Which would trigger the adverts for this no doubt.

    3. Re:myes... by legoburner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if there will be an increase in muggings/robberies because of this. All a thief has to do is stand near a sign, look for a laptop-related, phone-related or ipod-related advert to appear as someone walks past and then they have their target for the day.

    4. Re:myes... by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      I think you're giving thieves too much credit. :)

    5. Re:myes... by ran-o-matic · · Score: 1

      Or they could just watch you to see if you have any of those goodies.

    6. Re:myes... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1
      I think you're giving thieves too much credit. :)


      Many thieves aren't all that stupid. It's the stupid ones that get caught, that's why you hear about them. The smart ones, well...let's just say you never hear about them.
  3. Customized advertisements are awesome by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with advertisements now is that the vast majority of them don't appeal to me. I am a white male age 18-35. That doesn't mean that I fall into any particular demographic, it just means that I may be vaguely interested in some things that others are perhaps also interested. Bzzt. I am an individual!

    So what this purports to do is give me information that I am interested in. Not information that "my generation" needs. Information underload is done away with and I now have interesting data customized for me. This is great because I no longer have to endure GLH infomercials and can get back to enjoying Lean Mean Fat-grilling Machine infomercials.

    1. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by First+Person · · Score: 1

      The problem with advertisements now is that the vast majority of them don't appeal to me. I am a white male age 18-35. That doesn't mean that I fall into any particular demographic, it just means that I may be vaguely interested in some things that others are perhaps also interested. Bzzt. I am an individual!

      Don't worry. With the right drugs and marketing programs, that can all be fixed. Soon you'll be a happy, brained-numbed consumer just like the rest of us.

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    2. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am a white male age 18-35.

      Uh, dude, if you only know that your age is within an 18-year possible span, I really don't think advertisers are expecting a lot of business out of you -- probably because you're senile.

    3. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by Billosaur · · Score: 1

      The problem with advertisements now is that the vast majority of them don't appeal to me.

      I hate advertising. I don't let myself be influenced by it if at all possible. I laugh at the funny stuff, but even that is not enough to get me to use a particular product or service. I like to try things out for myself and determine if I think they are worthwhile.

      And now, because I own and perhaps use a Bluetooth-enabled device, they are going to use that information to tailor advertising? Fine. I'm chucking all my Bluetooth, which thankfully is only a cordless headset to use with my mobile phone. I'm doing it for the same reason that I don't give out information at the store when they ask for it, don't give out my email address willy-nilly, and have all my phone numbers on the National Do Not Call list -- because advertisers don't need to know anything about me. Let their products stand on their own; if they suck, they'll have to make them better. Don't tell me how much better you are -- show me.

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    4. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? Those people will buy anything. Multiple times. We love them!

    5. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by TMarvelous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actualy, Men 18-34 is one of the most coveted target demographics in media.
      Why? Because that group watches the least amount of television so when you have program that attracts that group, like sports, advertisers will pay a lot for those eyeballs.

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    6. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I am a white male age 18-35.
      I don't think many 18 year olds would consider themselves in the same demographic as a 35 year old.
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    7. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by atokata · · Score: 1

      And we're also predisposed to buy frivolous, expensive, things. Case in point: Any motorcycle ever built.

    8. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [mp]"We are all individuals!"[/mp]

    9. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by funkatron · · Score: 1

      So he's on the 35 year old end of that demographic then.

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    10. Re:Customized advertisements are awesome by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I read "aged 18-35" to mean he won't be born for another 17 years.

  4. Can't wait for video analysis by coinreturn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine a video camera on the advertisement that spots you're bald and loads an ad for Rogaine or one that determines you're fat and loads an ad for NutriSystem, or that you have no fashion sense and loads clothing ads!

    1. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Didn't they use pressure plates for pushing weight loss pills for those who weighted over a given threshold and other ads for everyone else, a while ago?

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    2. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by McWilde · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bald and fat people usually care that they are bald or fat or both. So they might be interested in doing something about it. As someone without fashion sense I can tell you that clothing ads do nothing for me. Clothing in ads looks no better to me than what I'm already wearing.

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    3. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clearly you need to pay more attention, we all know that marketing people don't market what they think you need, only what they think you'll buy. So fat people will see McDonnalds adverts, and people with no fashion sense will see computer adverts, and bald people will see viagra adverts.

    4. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by mikeh9741 · · Score: 1

      Maybe there could be some AI behind it that figures out what you would look good in, if anything. :)

    5. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by camperslo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they'll be able to correlate interests through all of this data mining and come up with some new products or combinations of products (along the lines of alcoholic drinks with caffeine for example).

      Now where's that Blue Gatoraide with Viagra?

    6. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by linuxwebadmin · · Score: 1

      Or worse, with a video camera your ability to remain anonymous ceases to exist. Could be a nice way for people to be tracked without their knowledge.

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    7. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by jmcwork · · Score: 1

      So what does it mean when it shows the "Girls Gone Wild" infomercial?

    8. Re:Can't wait for video analysis by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I've always kind of wondered how people actually named Yamamoto (or whatever the Japanese name Tom Cruise's eyes came from in Minority Report) reacted at that part of the movie... I bet they were all like, "holy crap! this movie is personalized!"

      Or maybe not.

  5. no doubt by jeffs72 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Awkward situations created by devices like this will be scenes in the sit-coms of tomorrow."

    Lol no doubt, I can see it now:

    Some hot chick appears on the billboard and says in a sultry voice: "Hello John Smith, did you need a refill on your last order of Teeny-Weeny condoms?"

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    1. Re:no doubt by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      And it shall be called Pocahontas 2062

  6. so who would be dumb enough by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

    It says it works on objects on a persons possesion. Who would be dumb enough to say "OK! Let me carry this bluetooth device with built in advertisement streaming."

    I know I wouldn't. Or maybe it's the next generation of spyware? That sucks.

    Still, I wanna know what they'll do with my Logitec MX 518 bluetooth mouse... Morse code with the light?

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    1. Re:so who would be dumb enough by jimstapleton · · Score: 0

      nm, read it wrong, I thought it said it streamed it to the cell phones/PDAs...

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    2. Re:so who would be dumb enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you neither RTFA nor saw Minority Report?

  7. Minority Report by HatchedEggs · · Score: 0

    All the technological interference in Minority Report didn't look so good to tell you the truth. On one hand I do appreciate the ability that this would have on companies being able to further tailor their advertisements to individuals. Being that it is still not specifically tailored to each person a breach of privacy seems less of an issue. Realistically, it would be nice to get away from Monistat or herpes ads. If I have to see ads placed around I would just as soon they were tailored to something that would have a higher chance of being interesting to me. I guess we'll have to see where this goes, I really doubt it will show its face anytime too soon. I am assuming that this would be a totally passive system so that it wouldn't be trying to drain my Bluetooth battery. If I got tired of the ads I could always put the bluetooth on standby.

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    1. Re:Minority Report by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      On the other hand, if this kind of targeted marketing becomes ubiquitous and everyone knows that the person walking by is being specifically targeted for that ad, if you do happen to test positive for an STD, do you want everyone around to wonder (or know) why you keep getting bombarded with Herpes ads? Talk about invasion of privacy. Or say it's tied to a database that tracks your spending, and all of a sudden every sign you pass is advertising casinos, or massage parlors, or gay lifestyle magazines. Or even worse, in my case nothing but ads for ASUS, Gigabyte, Intel, AMD, OCZ, and Corsair. Ususally on a date I can restrain my geeky side and actually have an interesting conversation with the girl, but if together we are constantly being bombarded by geek ads... Or worse yet, you're out on a date and your girl starts getting flustered because every sign you pass is targeting her, advertising feminine hygien products, or K-Y, or anti-depressants, etc.

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  8. Next generation Mobilephones by dingofish · · Score: 1

    So I guess that the next generation of mobilephones will not have a *optional* BlueTooth feature, but a required one?

    Hmm..

  9. Probably not going to work if you are educated by Raleel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... on the nuances of bluetooth. First off, it's likely that it will only work on discoverable devices. These are getting increasingly small in number, as cellphone companies and others learn to disable that by default.

    Secondly, I'd be interested to see what information they plan on using. For instance, I have a Motorola V551.. so I have a cell phone. Now, my cellphone happens to have a name of Diwani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwani), so will I get Arab language stuff? I know another person who's cell phone is named Turd Ferguson...

    It may be good for a laugh :)

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    1. Re:Probably not going to work if you are educated by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Secondly, I'd be interested to see what information they plan on using.

      My guess is that it will look at the profiles the device offers, and either have a database that links combinations of profiles to specific devices, or device types, or more likely it will display certain types of ads when it detects devices offering certain profiles - eg ads for the latest phones for devices that offer headset and modem profiles and not much else, ads for the latest music for devices offering A2DP...

    2. Re:Probably not going to work if you are educated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got a great idea: I'm gonna change the bluetooth id of my cellphone to "vagina," and that of my PDA to "penis."

    3. Re:Probably not going to work if you are educated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Girls have a cellphone, boys have a PDA...
      (Captcha = decency. Does /. what I'm about to post?)

    4. Re:Probably not going to work if you are educated by b00tang · · Score: 0
      I would be surprised if it even works on educated people. A month ago in Chicago I saw a billboard that said something like"make your bluetooth cell phone discoverable for more information".

      I made my phone (also a V551) discoverable. Nothing happened.

      My friends told me to stop being a nerd and keep walking. Using tech to advertise may sound good in theory, but I tend to get the impression it is just an idea that impresses executives at the top who don't really understand how well it works.

  10. That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Seems like a good idea, but the privacy advocates will go bananas (and demand it dismantled when all thats needed is to take out your bluteeth)
    I love how 'privacy advocates' are always spun as being complete idiots and nutjobs. Well, I'm a 'privacy advocate' (if that's what you call being concerned for privacy) and I submit to you the near future when everything is bluetooth enabled. Even your car. When you can't commute or work without using bluetooth devices.

    All you need to do is take out your blueteeth, eh? What if that means getting rid of everything?

    Sorry to "go bananas" on you but it's a possibility that's highly probable and I don't like. What, are you now going to tell me I'm a schizo for complaining about the NSA wiretapping? Does that make me a 'privacy advocate'? Because in my eyes, I'm just an American citizen who's sick of technology raping my goddamn privacy.
    1. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by fotbr · · Score: 1

      If it means getting rid of everything, well, you do have that choice. You might not like the sacrifice it'd entail, but don't complain about having no choice.

    2. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should have engaged my brain a little before adding that final remark.

      I am also a privacy nut and would also go mental if I couldn't disable it and in my own experience bluetooth is just a bit of fun for passing bits of info around, but I can see people needing it enabled for their own personal network.

      I have bluetooth on my phone but have chosen to leave it disabled.
      Just because a person leaves their broadcast wireless network enabled doesn't mean it should be used for additional undocumented identification purposes.

      I was actually comparing the switchable bluetooth with the fixed always on RFID which people complain loudly about (myself included).

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    3. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by EatHam · · Score: 1

      Technology removes privacy. It's the nature of technology. It removes privacy and pays you with convenience. Just like you can't have pudding if you don't eat your meat, you can't have the conveniences technology provides without some sort of payoff.

    4. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      i don't eat either.

    5. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You! Yes, you behind the bike sheds. Stand still laddie!

    6. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      I think you mean trade-off. I wouldn't consider losing your privacy any kind of payoff.

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    7. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      Um.... It doesn't have to, it just does by design. The problem is that consumers aren't quite fed up with their privacy being invaded yet. It's possible they never will be, but if they are expect to see a backlash.

    8. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by denebian+devil · · Score: 1

      i don't eat either.

      I would think that would be obvious from your handle. Vegans don't get their pudding *or* their meat.

    9. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      All you need to do is take out your blueteeth, eh? What if that means getting rid of everything?

      In the really real world, all you have to do is turn bluetooth off.

      Or are you afraid that even though your devices are turned off, Jeff Goldblum will show up with a powerbook and upload a virus to your cellphone that forces all your devices to stay on so that you can receive targeted advertisements?

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    10. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how this is a privacy issue. Without authorization (ie: just continuously querying the area for BT devs), all you get out of a BT dev is its vendor/model. It's not even vaguely personally identifiable.

      Besides, you're using BT; you shouldn't if you're a privacy-minded human, anyway. Or any data radio technology, for that matter. Encrypted or not, you're still yelling something out into the ether.

      As for technology raping your goddamned privacy, may I suggest learning how a new technology works and how to secure yourself before opting into it? So many people just dive blindly in. Then they're all surprised when someone steals their identity. To them, I say, "Heh. Serves you right. Learn to use it before using it, and this shit won't happen. In short, RTFM, dipshit."

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    11. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      We piss in all your bath water.

      If it means not taking any baths, well, you do have that choice. You might not like the sacrifice it'd entail, but don't complain about having no choice.

    12. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      kinda my point. neither is necessary to live.

    13. Re:That's Some Nice Stereotyping There by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      >Does that make me a 'privacy advocate'? Because in my eyes, I'm just an American citizen who's
      > sick of technology raping my goddamn privacy.

      You forgot to log in before your rant ... s'okay though. We were able to identify you by the sounds we picked up from your microphone.

      Al

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  11. "Anonymity assured" by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FTFA: "It can uniquely identify devices but keeps the person anonymous."

    Sorry, but with all the identity theft, credit card skimming, government intrusion into privacy, etc. I find it hard to believe that such a system will provide "assured" anonymity for very long.

    1. Re:"Anonymity assured" by Jzor · · Score: 1

      Heaven forbid that anyone should find out that you've been fed an Enzyte add 5 times and an add for Monistat 6 times...

    2. Re:"Anonymity assured" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like advertisers tracking your location and then selling that data to others. You really want to start getting bombarded by subscription offers to porn magazines just because you happened to accidently walk down the street past an adult bookstore? You really want there to be a permanent record that you walked by that adult bookstore in some advertisers database? Just wait until your nasty divorce and your ex's lawyer digs up those records!

  12. Yowza! by blindd0t · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So what kind of advertisements would one see if adult toys started coming with blue-tooth chips?

  13. Severe Paranoia Alert by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 1

    How long until terrorists start using such devices as detonators for bombs? Wait until a large number of bluetooth devices are in range, or have passed within range in a short period of time, then *BOOM*!

    1. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      Stop giving them ideas! /tinfoil

      Seriously, though. That's a damn good idea. Sounds like something a terrorist would come up with. *phones CIA*

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    2. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by AndyboyH · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the fact that your displayed paranoia is worse than the mass media (I really hope it's sarcasm rather than actual sentiment - if the latter, get help), let's pretend that were a sensible question for a second:

      Why do something as complicated using bluetooth and visible profiles, when they could do something far easier using a digital clock/eggtimer? Cheaper parts, less risk of them getting blown up by a sudden rush of bluetoothers showing up while they're setting things up, and fairly consistent and predictable results.

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    3. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pretty sharp idea.

    4. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by z0idberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Homeland Security called, they want you to send them a copy of your CV right away, they said you sound like management material.

    5. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by freedom_india · · Score: 0, Troll

      Forget homeland security. Bush needs a new imaginator as whitehouse staff to tell him how to scare people.

      Next speech would be "...so china is now helping terrorism by mass producing and exporting to US WMD terrorist-devices which has resulted in the destruction of so many property and lives..as i speak our special SS forces are parachuting into Beijing and our Nuke subs have launched Tomahawk missiles into chinese production plants... God bless America.."

      With a Fuckin' paranoid moron as president couldn't you restrict your imagination???

      Aren't you satisfied with fighting two wars out of which one is TOTALLY unnecessary? Do you want to be drafted ???

      Are U a Texan by any chance? If so then you deserve it !

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    6. Re:Severe Paranoia Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do something as complicated using bluetooth and visible profiles, when they could do something far easier using a digital clock/eggtimer?

      Um. Perhaps to ensure victims are nearby? A clock/timer just goes boom at a predetermined time, whether or not anybody is around. Something that can sense a number of people are nearby makes a much better detonator.

  14. Actually... by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, if I understand it right, all this would do is make sure you get to see more ads (by reducing the probability to see the same one again), not actually target them to you. The system won't even know you're a guy, in fact, but just whether it detected your bluetooth device before, and during which ads.

    So it won't necessarily mean you get " Lean Mean Fat-grilling Machine" infomercials. It might as well mean that instead of seeing a Tampax ad 10 times, you'll see ads for Tampax, OB, SlimFast, WonderBra and some epilation machine, 2 times each.

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  15. monitoring? by rahrens · · Score: 1

    Did I read that part right to mean that they can link the advert screen to nearby sensors (like in lecture halls for different subjects) so they can link that subject to YOU? (Even if its to your DEVICE, that's still possible to link that device to YOU, isn't it?)

    I don't want anybody monitoring me and my movements, travels, or anything I don't specifically give them. To think that they could do this just from monitoring my Bluetooth devices is almost enough to get me to swear off of radio-linked devices forever...

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  16. I'm Sorry Dave ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Secondly, I'd be interested to see what information they plan on using. For instance, I have a Motorola V551.. so I have a cell phone. Now, my cellphone happens to have a name of Diwani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwani), so will I get Arab language stuff? I know another person who's cell phone is named Turd Ferguson...
    Yeah, my cell phone's name is HAL 9000 because my first name is Dave. I hope to god they don't try to sell me 2001: A Space Odyssey because two copies is enough!
  17. That's nothing - wait for my RFID ad device... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's nothing. Just wait until I finish perfecting my device that will target advertising based on what RFID tags you are foolishly carrying around on you. Bwaahahahah!

  18. So those wireless headsets... by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps now those people wearing those often-times unseen Bluetooth headsets will have a picture appear next to them, so they don't look like they're just talking to themselves? Or maybe we could make the ads say "Look, everyone around you thinks you're schitzo. Turn your head a little more so they can see the device jammed into your ear!"

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    1. Re:So those wireless headsets... by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      One fun thing to do is to sit somewhere (e.g. in a park), and wear a wired headset. Only thing is... don't plug it into anything. Just talk to yourself, and see how long it takes people to notice.

  19. MPAA report by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Funny

    *massive blue face appears on the silver screen*

    Attention theater attendants: The occupant in seat 4a, row 5 has a bluetooth enabled video camera.

    SEIZE HIM!


    Now please turn off all electronic devices, or else, and enjoy our feature presentation!

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    1. Re:MPAA report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4a? Hmmm...

      I don't think your vision of the future will happen in my local cinema any time soon - we're such a set of Luddites that we still have 2-dimensional seating layouts! ;)

  20. "Blessed Silence Net Appliance" by Snarfangel · · Score: 1

    will be my preferred Bluetooth device.

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  21. Where have we seen it before? by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, right, that's how the advertising bubble (driving the dot-com bubble) worked. Let's subject the user to hundreds of thousands of different, but still untargetted, ads, and surely he'll end up buying everything. Right? Heck, instead of having just 1 ad on the main page, let's have a dozen different ads on each page. It's good if the user gets a lot of product information, right?

    Needless to say, it didn't work that way. Being bombarded by a lot of untargetted stuff just got people to mentally filter those out. Whereas in the days of 1 (and always the same) banner on the main page, people actually clicked on them, nowadays most of us don't even notice them any more.

    Plus, you know what kind of a downward slope that started, as each generation of untargetted ads had to be more obtrussive and in-your-face to be noticed at all. Pop-ups, full-page ads, layers on top of the actual page, became actually necessary because that bombardment actually desensitized people to the point where a normal banner isn't even noticed any more.

    So, I dunno, it may be that the privacy advocates _are_ right there. Whether you're worried about the privacy or not, the problem still is that it's for naught. It's a rehash of an idiotic idea we've already seen before, and which _didn't_ actually provide any actual benefit. Not for the ad providers, not for the web masters, not for the users. I can even understand risking your privacy and a slippery slope in return for some actual benefit, but it seems stupid to me to just give it up when there are no benefits whatsoever.

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    1. Re:Where have we seen it before? by bendodge · · Score: 0

      Google has done a good job of sloping up, IMHO. I actually like their targeted ads, because they are helpful. People also don't filter Google's text ads nearly as well as banners, because you have to read at least one to see what they are, and they are relevant so they don't stick out.

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  22. As learned from Minority Report: Don't do this! by TA · · Score: 1
    The way I see it is that one of the things that Minority Report did best was to show exactly how bad and annoying this type of advertising is.


    And the claim that 'privacy issues' are not at stake is of course totally wrong, as, again, Minority Report showed so well: Everyone around you can see exactly what types of advertisements are presented to you, even if no names are mentioned -- nice to walk past this grossly embarassing ad while everyone looks at you, right? Eh?

    1. Re:As learned from Minority Report: Don't do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing beats trying to chat up a girl and suddenly you hear:
      "John Anderton, you should ask you doctor if Cialis is right for you"
      "We know you secret, John Anderton, and our enlargement process can help"
        - "Ohhh, you poor thing. You know what, I think someone's calling me, see you later."

      Or how about the supermarket checkout:
      "Credit card maxed out, John Anderton? You should talk to our financial advisors"
        - "Are you sure you can pay for this?"
        - "It is NOT maxed out!"

      And don't let the wife hear this one:
      "Hi John Anderton. Last night was so great. You should call me - 555-Cheatin"

  23. Bluetooth Wireless Vibrator by Se7enLC · · Score: 1


    I really need to stop carrying that thing around...

  24. What about RFID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I was the advertiser I would use RFID tags which often aren't removed from merchandise and are becoming increasingly more prevalent thanks to Wal-Mart et al. When compared to the number of blue-tooth devices that are carried it would seem like you would get more hits with RFID and a better idea of what they are buying.

    1. Re:What about RFID? by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those deactivated when you purchase the item? And aren't they (in most cases) very short range? I don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through.

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  25. Looking into the mirror by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    But I love my blue teeth!

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  26. A Better Execution Of This Concept... by tobiathan · · Score: 1

    ...will involve targeting ads to individuals across mediums. For example, if you watched Lost last night, you might see an offer online to purchase last seasons episodes on DVD, or better yet, purchase a subscription via your online DVR account (someday standard Internet connections in the US will be fast enough to enable this). For consumers who opt-in, their cable and internet bill will be cheaper, as the advertisers will be paying more for a more qualified demographic. The concept of cookies will work cross platform from an anonymous identification standpoint.

    From an advertising standpoint, the bluetooth billboard is an interesting gimmick but as many have pointed out here, there is next to zero benefit for an advertiser in this execution.

  27. What awkward situations? by demigod · · Score: 1
    Awkward situations created by devices like this will be scenes in the sit-coms of tomorrow.


    I assume these will come from the following potentially embarrassing BlueTooth devices

    • SmartPants®, BlueTooth enabled Depends®
    • J-Rug®, BlueTooth and Java enabled Toupe
    • Blue Paradise®, BlueTooth vibrator (no ladies, it doesn't bite. Well, maybe just a nibble)
    • Blue Butterfly®, BlueTooth Tampon
    • e-Bites® BlueTooth enabled Dentures
    • And last but not least, UnBlue®, the BlueTooth enabled condom
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    Major Major
  28. Beaming adverts to phones by moon_monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An older NewScientist story describes another system that beams ads directly to phones, also via Bluetooth.

  29. Less here than meets the eye, but maybe more, too by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 1

    Considering the range of bluetooth is about 10 meters (11 yards for those of us who use FPS units), I'm not feeling particularly worried about this.

    However, the range is 10 meters/11 yards NOW. Improvements in the technology could make receive-only devices more sensitive, extending their range further than the casual user realizes.

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  30. Cell phones already have "required" features by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

    When you take a picture with some cell phones, they make a loud noise that you can't disable, right? (Hm, my current one doesn't.*) As I understand it, this "feature" was added after people -- not the phones' buyers -- complained of being secretly photographed. Also consider that the e911 system is a mandatory feature usable to find you within 300m. With those and the growth of for-someone-else's-convenience technologies like DRM, it seems likely that your next phone will also have features that make targeted advertising and automatic monitoring easier.

    * (Sounds made mandatory in South Korea and Japan.)

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  31. Hack the system. by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    So, if I'm carrying a bluetooth thumbdrive full of porn, it will start showing wildly inappropriate ads on the big screen? Cool!

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  32. Hasn't anyone thought of the real potential? by db32 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I am paranoid, maybe I think outside the box. Or maybe having what time of day you walk by a particular Bluetooth advert board every day is valuable information to someone. Even if the boards don't share one large database and they each have their own, one could gather the databases and extrapolate your daily path (or more importantly for the paranoid, if your daily path happened to change). Imagine the fun of spoofing bluetooth information. "Sir, a crime was commited here today, and it seems your phone was in the area...care to explain why you said you were at home?"

    It may seem harmless that the technology is watching you, but someone is watching the technology too. The feds have already been demanding search databases from the search engines...why wouldn't they demand access to all of this information as well? Letting the marketing companies pay to track all of the 'suspected terrorists' would be a huge win for them.

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  33. Not sure if such a device exists, but... by Agram · · Score: 1

    ...wouldn't it be amusing if someone passed by such a bilboard with a bluetooth-based vibrator?

    1. Re:Not sure if such a device exists, but... by deadhammer · · Score: 1

      It'd grab your attention, that's for sure.

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    2. Re:Not sure if such a device exists, but... by melstav · · Score: 1

      You're looking for The Toy

  34. Combine this with captivate... by Lanoitarus · · Score: 1

    The ~10 yard range reduces the effectiveness of this in allot of walking-by type things, but in places like Elevators or Escalators with those Captivate screens it could be a home run. That gives it time to scan everyone's devices, and still have you in viewing range for long enough to show the tailored ads. But my question is, without hat exactly are they going to identify about you just by what type of bluetooth devices you carry? Not allot that i can think of, except maybe identifying total geeks (tons of devices), or i guess maybe what Cell carrier you use. Doesnt seem terribly useful to me. However, TFA says that its anonymous, but trackable by device... This means that if they partnered with makers of POS systems, they could "anonymously" track what/where you were buying, too, and then recognize you as you walked near their ad screens. Imagine, buy a starbucks coffee, go back up to your office, and then the same time the next day when you take the elevator down, the screens are showing nothing but dunkin donuts ads...

  35. You can try but.. by Plutonite · · Score: 1

    A) Companies will need to spend 3 or 4 times the amount they currently spend on advertising production.

    B) If people keep their blueteeth shut, the billboard will be a waste of money.

    C) More radiation going through my head.

    D) What if you want your bluetooth to be active + shown but you don't want this..err..service?

    Sorry folks, but if we won't be pessimistic about such designs, who on earth will?

  36. Re:Not sure if such a device exists, but...(yes!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exactly, thanks for pointing that out. However, from the specs:
    The Toy is not discoverable in a bluetooth search

    So no worries after all.

  37. How to beat the system! by payndz · · Score: 1

    I don't own any Bluetooth devices, and have no plans to get any. No adverts for me!

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  38. Getting Hard to Spot the Crazies... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    ... You know the people who wander around mumbling/talking to themselves. It used to be easy to spot them and keep a safe distance. Now you assume that people talking to themselves are on a wireless phone in hands-free mode.

    Let a real crazy dude to within a few feet of me. Sounded like he was having a nice phone conversation, until I noticed he didn't have a phone at all!

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  39. Quick way to get rich: bluetooth data logger by mattnuzum · · Score: 1

    Create a little circuit that you place hidden in stores that data logs bluetooth devices. Once a day, walk into the store with your palm pilot and download the database and sell it to the advertisers.

    Sound hard? Nope. Go to sparkfun and buy the bluetooth smd module for $50 that has 100 meter range (enough to cover a 28,000 square foot store). Spend $50 on a SD card data logging module with real time clock and then $25 - $30 for a micro controller and power supply. Once a min, sweep the store for bluetooth and create a log. Then you'll know not only the ids of the devices but also how long they were in the store. Assuming that your bluetooth module is 80% idle, 15% recv and 5% transmit, the whole thing would only use about 25mAh. A lipo battery could run it for 2 - 3 days if external power wasn't available.

    Get really crafty and you could probably triangulate which area of the store they're in.

  40. That's your analogy? by Lazerf4rt · · Score: 1

    You just compared giving up Bluetooth-enabled gizmos to giving up baths.

    Cripes, man, are you guys so hooked on electronic gadgets that this is a meaningful comparison for you? And (to the GGP), do you really think it'll be impossible to get to work without Bluetooth in the near future? Holy daydreaming Batman. Ever hear of walking? Bicycles, scooters, public transit? Not everybody is an IT worker living in the suburbs and putting 40 miles on their car each day to get to work.

    If you choose to carry around a Bluetooth-enabled PDA to convince yourself you're important while walking around past billboards, don't be surprised if people advertise to you. You can't blame them - you're an excellent target market. How you can compare this need to the need to wash yourself is beyond me.

  41. The luddite speaks by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    The luddite speaks:

    • Advertsing for items like Coke and fast food only work with multiple impressions.
    • Is targetted advertising more effective? For example, even though I'm attending CS lectures, perhaps I'd be interested in attending a mechanical engineering lecture or have friends who are mechanical engineers?

    Perhaps a system like this is better suited for collecting metrics on the demographic that passes the billboard?