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The Drawbacks of Anonymous Surfing

BlueCup writes to tell us that one reporter decided to give anonymous web surfing a shot, and found it to be much more trouble than it was worth. Many users take advantage of Tor and other anonymous web browsing tools, but is the amount of hassle worth the effort it takes to remain anonymous?

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  1. Torpark by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative
    Many users take advantage of Tor and other anonymous web browsing tools, but is the amount of hassle worth the effort it takes to remain anonymous?
    This is a joke, right?

    If you have a few seconds, download Torpark and try it out. It shouldn't take more than half a minute and is Firefox based and pretty much automated.

    And if you're worried about having to put Torpark on every machine you use, just put it on a very small USB thumbdrive on your keychain. Plug it into whatever computer you're using and browse the thumbdrive. Double click and go -- no need to worry about leaving personal information on your friend's computer. The application itself is very tiny so it would fit on even very cheap USB drives and there's a Thunderbird extension for it. I was at a conference once and got a free 512MB thumbdrive. I sharpied it as Torpark and now I can serf anonymously if I need to.

    The only hassles I can find is that I have it set to not cache anything at all which means sites don't load as fast when I revisit them normally on my desktop. Also, the Tor servers can sometimes be slow to forward packets or the German ranged IP address it masks me with will cause a page to render in German. Oh gut, das ist wert es wohl.
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    1. Re:Torpark by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because he used to be an AOL customer, and learned the hard way.

    2. Re:Torpark by adolfojp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Also, the Tor servers can sometimes be slow to forward packets...
      You can always donate to the project.
    3. Re:Torpark by Drachemorder · · Score: 5, Funny
      now I can serf anonymously if I need to.
      I thought serfs were already pretty much anonymous.
    4. Re:Torpark by eddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I once experimented and added a machine to the Tor network as an exit point for web traffic.

      A couple of hours later I wasn't welcome at slashdot any more. You can guess where that experiment ended.

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    5. Re:Torpark by grimdonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or run a tor node yourself. It's no hassle and you would be of great help.
      As other posters already said, some sites ban tor exit node ips. You can just run your server as a middle-node or restrict acces to those certain sites (slashdot, gsmarena amongst others).

    6. Re:Torpark by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A couple of hours later I wasn't welcome at slashdot any more. You can guess where that experiment ended.

      in the first week i used tor my bank decided to shut me out of online banking for a week and paypal put me through a rigorous 'identity confirmation' protocol that included them depositing money in my cheuqing account, calling me at home and mailing (as in paper and stamps) a magic 5 digit code.

      and i still use tor. every day.

      because a police state is far less convenient.

    7. Re:Torpark by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would you use Tor with services such as a bank website and PayPal, which already know who you are?

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    8. Re:Torpark by dshaw858 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many users take advantage of Tor and other anonymous web browsing tools, but is the amount of hassle worth the effort it takes to remain anonymous?

      I think that this must be a joke. Guys, you're missing the entire point of using Tor. Tor usage isn't designed for script kiddies who don't want the FBI on them, child pornography rings afraid of Interpol or nerdy teenagers that don't want their IP logged (although these are all applications of Tor, too). Tor was designed for electronic freedom for people in, for example, totalitarian regimes that don't allow freedom of speech, or whistleblowers on governments, major industry, etc.

      Having a little bit of "a hassle" is fine for the designed type of use. People trying to communicate anonymously out of the Great Firewall of China don't worry if it takes an extra few seconds. The nerdy teenager that thinks anonymity is cool (not that I have anything against this guy), might think it's not quite so cool to wait forever to have a site load, and be banned from things like Slashdot and Wikipedia (via the Exit Nodes).

      The article is inherently flawed, since it's looking at Tor from the wrong perspective.

      - dshaw

    9. Re:Torpark by Lucractius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      id mod you up but instead ill further highlight my agreement.

      WHY would you want to risk firther exposure of such sensitive details as your bank acount login by adding ANOTHER leg to its journey out to the bank. If you dont trust your lan, you can use a vpn or ssh tunnel to somewhere better (something i commonly do, especiauly when im using wireless networks, ssh to a wired box, then (for wireless at least) re-ssh again to another wired one from there (a little bit better incase anyone gets my auth over the wireless))

      Using a tor server for your most confidential information that is so connected to you as to the level that the parties involved are in posetion of your bank details and phone number and address, is rediculous, unless your the kind of person that uses fake deails of the type above, is constantly moving, and realy doesnt want the bank to know where your using the computer from, WHY THE HELL would you anonymize your logins to these.

      To the companies it raises massive red flags, as you experienced first hand what they do its clear they act on such behaviour. If you dont trust your bank, dont bank there.

      And ill point out that placing a software routing point between you and your end point, you do increase the potential for man-in-the-middle attacks on your sensitive login information significantly.

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  2. It depends by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    on what you're surfing for, and who will be looking at your records in the future. Anon surfing might be a good idea for anyone who ever expects to go into politics, for example.

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    1. Re:It depends by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "expects to go into politics"
      or is already in politics for that matter.

      The value of annonymous surfing to be worth overcoming hasstles is directly proportional to the damage you habits would cause should they get out.
      Lost job? -> possibly
      Divorce? -> maybe
      Prison time? -> likely
      loss of big money? -> yes
      execution? -> Certainly.

      -nB

      That's about as I rank it.

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  3. So. by FireballX301 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This 'reporter' didn't know that he had to sacrifice a bit of convenience in order to maintain web anonymity?

    What a useless article. You mask your IP and use proxies if you want to become *untraceable*. And this guy's crying about how he has to remember his passwords for every site. Bloody lout.

  4. Not truly anonymous surfing by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After reading the article and digestig what the reporter wrote, he wasn't being very anonymous even with his efforts. Sure, he deleted his cookies when he was done (I do too) but he never removed all his cache files which could be used to track you. Yes, this will increase the time it takes for a page to load but since apparently everyone but me uses a high-speed connection, waiting that extra half second doesn't seem to be that much of a hassle.

    Also, since he had to relogin when he went to Amazon or other sites, he was giving up his anonymity because now the site can track when he last visited, what he went to and so forth.

    As far as sites balking that he didn't have a cookie, um, so what? That is the whole point of trying to be anonymous, right?

    Had the author simply stuck with sufing around and not registering with sites he would have a better case for his article. As it stands, not so much. He needs to look up the word anonymous and see why he wasn't.

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  5. Re:Moo by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Not if you erase history."

    you're kidding right?

    Even if you erase history your machine is littered with footprints of where you've been, nevermind un-erase utilities.
    -nB

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  6. What a guy. by deadhammer · · Score: 5, Funny
    So, from my brief skim-over of the article, this is what this "reporter" is saying:

    • Surfing anonymously is hard, and therefore not worth it.
    • Oh noes! My Amazon purchase list is broken! This is stupid!
    • Evil criminals can use it!
    An excellent thing for a reporter to be saying to his readers. I'd sure love to be one of this guy's sources.
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  7. Dumb reporter by RPoet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This reporter is dumb. He declares that he is a fan of convenience and doesn't care much about anonymity. As he found out that anonymity slows things down, he concluded that it's not worth it.

    For him, he should add. If all you need anonymity for is so websites can't point personalised ads at you, guess what: you don't want military-grade anonymity through Tor, you want Adblock or Privoxy. While he continues his convenient existance, more and more people rely on Tor for their democratic right to free unpopular speech. Tor may slow you surfing down, but it sure beats political imprisonment or being outed for being whatever is unpopular where you live.

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  8. Surfing anonymously is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That "Post Anonymously" checkbox ought to be enough for anybody.

  9. Re:Tor speed by RPoet · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're not supposed to tunnel BitTorrent over Tor. That slows the network down for everybody, including those who have a need for anonymity for legitimate than getting the latest movie flick.

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  10. Re:Moo by Krojack · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just encrypt my entire /home partition. Its another way to help.

  11. Did you RTFA? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "hassles" he talks about are mostly the lost convienences of cookies and the occassional site that doesn't work w/out cookies.

    Seriously.
    That about sums up his complaints.

    I'm not terribly impressed by the issues he discovered while using an anonymizing service.

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    1. Re:Did you RTFA? by kinglink · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you are doing anonymous browsing in the first place, you're probably not going to want cookies. Option might be nice, but I have a feeling anyone that interested in privacy will only allow it on a few sites.

  12. Tor's slow, but not a hassle by Saeger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tor's not a real hassle to use, but it is slow (just like FreeNet is), and always will be.

    To use Tor, simply install it, then tell your browser (or privoxy proxy) to use the socks proxy on port 9050 (or wherever). Nothing much can be done about the sluggish latency and low bandwidth, though, because for true anonymity to work you just HAVE to relay through a certain random number of random nodes of various quality. So instead of taking 15 fast intra-country hops to reach Google, it might take 100+ hops all over the globe and back, with each hop being another weak link in the chain.

    Speed is the #1 reason I don't use Tor much... except for the rare occasion when I need to upload beheading videos^W^W^W send ransom notes^W^W^W troll IRC^W^W hide p2p downloads^W^W^W research something privately.

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  13. Re:Moo by zero1101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not your browser history, he meant you actually go back and *ERASE HISTORY*. Cool huh?

  14. It's not about by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    what forensic traces are left on YOUR machine.

    It's about what trace you leave across the Internet/Googlesphere/SkyNet.

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  15. Shopping Anonymously by LordCrumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been using FoxyProxy/Privoxy/Tor for a few months now. It wasn't nearly as difficult to set up as I'd imagined (I'm running Ubuntu), and it didn't degrade or slow down my web experience as much as I feared, either. It caused me an unexpected problem last week, though. I ordered some hardware from NewEgg. The process went exactly as usual and I got the confirmation e-mails as usual. The next day, however, I got another form e-mail that said my order had been cancelled because my bank was outside the United States. WTF, I thought - this is clearly not the case. I called NewEgg's support line and was told that it was actually *my* IP that appeared to be outside the US. I explained that I was using anonymizing software to protect my privacy online, but that I'd used my NewEgg account and completed the VerifiedByVISA process, and that I was shipping to a verified address, etc. The support guy said he couldn't un-cancel my order; I'd just have to re-order using "my real IP" this time. Fine, I grumbled. I went through the process again; when I supplied NewEgg's cart app with my account credentials this time, I was told that my account was suspended! I called NewEgg again; apparently my account was suspended because of the "suspicious transaction" referenced above. It took me a half hour to get my account reinstated.

  16. Tor is Easy via Transparent Proxy by PureFiction · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can make Tor very easy to use with any application (on Windows or other VMWare/OpenVPN supported OS) with JanusVM:
    http://januswifi.dyndns.org:85/

    When you start the Windows VPN connection to the VMWare virtual machine that PPTP network becomes you default route. All DNS lookups, http requests, and other TCP traffic is now transparently routed through Tor. Simply disconnect the VPN to terminate anonymous onion routing...

    Also see the user documentation: http://januswifi.dyndns.org:85/Instructions.htm

    Transparent proxy avoids many common problems with explicit SOCKS configuration and DNS leaks. Worth a look...

  17. Re:Moo by Nuskrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's OK, provided you don't live in a country governed by a facist regime. In the UK, failure to disclose encryption keys to the police upon request can land you in prison, regardless of whether or not you've committed any other crimes.