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Panasonic May Relaunch In-flight Broadband

Glenn Fleishman writes "Panasonic's avionics division may relaunch Connexion by Boeing by using similar technology that's better, cheaper, and lighter. The company said today that they were looking to get airlines to commit to 500 planes within 60 days, and already had 150 aircraft committed. They'd still use Ku band, but have a cheaper and smaller set of leases. Connexion had at least $120m in yearly fixed expenses, a large part of which was transponder licenses. The new service would provide 12 Mbps down and 3 Mbps (versus Connexion's 5 Mbps/1 Mbps), and be priced conceivably as low as $10 per session wholesale, with airlines choosing to not mark up rates. With that higher rate, even with latency, in-flight VoIP seems more achievable at a reasonable cost, although some airlines may choose to block VoIP services. I reported for The Economist magazine last week about mobile phones in flight (services coming in Europe in 2007). Three U.S. airlines told me that American passengers have very low interest or negative interest in allowing any voice (cell or otherwise) during flights. Europeans, with shorter flights and lower expectations of privacy perhaps, are more open to it." We covered the story back when Boeing decided to scrap Connexion.

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  1. What I do care about... by HatchedEggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I could really care less about making calls on a plane. In fact, I WOULD HATE IT. You know why? Because every annoying person in the world would converge on my airplane and make calls through-out the flight. This would result in me not being able to sleep or relax, and I would then arrive at my destination tired and strained.

    Slippery slope? Not really, think about all the boring calls you have to listen to on a shorter transit system. Now put 300 bored people on a plane and see how they go about trying to relieve that boredome.

    Now. I would certainly be happy to have internet access on the plane... and the slight tapping of keys I could deal with. Plus, give me something to do on my computer and I'd easily forget what else was going on.

    So what do I say? Spare me having to listen to cell phones or VOIP for the whole plane trip. If you can limit it to 10 minutes of calling per passenger, then fine. Otherwise, stop trying to make my co-passengers even more annoying.

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    1. Re:What I do care about... by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Funny

      I WOULD HATE IT. You know why? Because every annoying person in the world would converge on my airplane and make calls through-out the flight.

      I smell a business model here.

      You can pay $10 to use the internet.
      You can pay $20 to use the internet and let VoIP traffic through.
      You can pay $50 to disable the VoIP traffic for the people sitting in the seats around you :)

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  2. Inconceivable by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    priced conceivably as low as $10 per session wholesale, with airlines choosing to not mark up rates.


    Is it really conceivable for airlines to not mark up rates of something?

    1. Re:Inconceivable by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, it is. Most European "budget" airliners have won amazing marketshares by doing just that: no more drinks etcetera free-of-charge (and where possibly/feasible using cheap airports instead of the main ones). And what they charge are normal commercial rates for public places. Actually, by the gallon beer is cheaper on a flight than in some of the clubs I visit.

  3. I don't travel often by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But when I do for business I enjoy the fact that myself and everyone else on the plane cannot talk and is not in contact with anyone.

    Its like a few hours of peice and quiet where I actually don't need to think about work or listen to other people yack on about similar stuff.

    I'd be happy to see planes without internet and phone access because then I wouldn't feel preassured into actually doing more work during a time where I should be relaxing.

    1. Re:I don't travel often by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > What is wrong with you people. My right to extend my arm ends when it hits
      > your face, not before.

      But your right to yammer on your phone extends right inside my ear?

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    2. Re:I don't travel often by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *waves fingers three inches in front of Ada_Rules's eyes*

      Think of it this way. The airplane belongs to the airline and they're letting us ride it, so they get to make the rules about what we do in it. It's in their best interest to keep the passengers happy on the whole. (They often fail miserably at this, but anyway.) Passengers will be happier if they don't have to listen to the guy next to them yakking away. So the airline says you can only sit on their plane if you promise not to call anyone until you land.

      Sound like an unfair deal? Flap yours arms really hard and enjoy your trans-Atlantic sojourn. It's your right, after all.

    3. Re:I don't travel often by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      So you're free to whip it out and spank your monkey on a plane now?

      If you can't stand that sight, don't fly Virgin Airlines then...

  4. ...but look on the bright side by RuBLed · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... ...

  5. It's not the privacy... it's the ANNOYANCE!! by Ledfoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Internet access on the plane - GOOD.... Gives me something to do rather than twiddle my thumbs for 2+ hours...

    Cell phones on a plane - ICK! NO! It's already bad enough having to hear everyone else on the plane's stupid conversations during the boarding process and as soon as we touch down... Apparently people don't get the concept of "Keep it short and simple". Instead they have to have these marathon discussions over the phone and talk LOUDLY. And god forbid if they have one of those Nextel -type walkie talkie phones. I HATE THOSE THINGS!!!!

    No... Give me internet, screw the cell phone users! They can wait till they get off the damn plane to make a call.

    --Ledfoot

    1. Re:It's not the privacy... it's the ANNOYANCE!! by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you hate people having social interactions within earshot of you, buy noise cancelling headphones. What is it, "Thank you for your time watching the safety demonstration. Now, sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight. And do so quietly, for Ledfoot in Seat 38A has requested silence, for your inane braying is annoying to him."?

  6. It's not about privacy by DRue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Europeans, with shorter flights and lower expectations of privacy"

    It has nothing to do with privacy, and everything to do with the fact that nobody wants to sit in a tin can listening to some guy talk for 2 hours about his hemorrhoids and digestive problems.

    1. Re:It's not about privacy by forkazoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Europeans, with shorter flights and lower expectations of privacy"

      It has nothing to do with privacy, and everything to do with the fact that nobody wants to sit in a tin can listening to some guy talk for 2 hours about his hemorrhoids and digestive problems.


      Indeed. Considering the current issues of warrantless wiretapping, I can't imagine why Americans would have higher expectations of privacy. We just know that our fellow americans would abuse the ability to talk loudly in a confined place. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing a reasonably priced sound proof phone booth on the airplane. If I need to make an important call, I can. But, I can do it without disturbing other passengers. Hell, maybe just put phones in the bathroom, and make them dual purpose...
    2. Re:It's not about privacy by Rix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, no.

      The "danger" cell phones pose to airplanes is that you might get a signal, and not pay $10 a minute for the in flight phone system.

    3. Re:It's not about privacy by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "maybe just put phones in the bathroom, and make them dual purpose..." You are not serious, right?

      Because if the pain of hearing about hemorroids of your neighbor is strong, the embarassment of peeing in your pants waiting in line to the loo consisting of travellers sufferring of communication-diarrhea is even stronger, one would think.

      I am thinking earplugs as a solution.

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  7. missing word? by rocketman768 · · Score: 3, Funny
    The new service would provide 12 Mbps down and 3 Mbps (versus Connexion's 5 Mbps/1 Mbps), and be priced conceivably as low as $10...
    Should that read "...and 3 Mbps UP..."?
  8. This seems wrong by empaler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "... Europeans, with shorter flights and lower expectations of privacy perhaps, are more open to it."

    The last few times I've had to fly, I haven't been asked to have an anal probe inserted while answering ungodly questions about my personal life. That's because I fly in Europe.

  9. We all know where this is headed by Ugly+American · · Score: 4, Funny

    In related news, the RIAA has announced the purchase of several F-22A raptors to pursue downloaders.

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  10. Americans don't like cell phones? by Archon-X · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've travelled frequently - and here's my synopsis of phone useage and planes - if I may:

    Australia: Phones are off all the way. When disembarking up the walkway, you'll start to hear SMS messages come in.
    Hong-Kong: Touchdown, SMSs are in. Calls being made while disembarking.
    USA: Calls made until the plane taxis, calls made the instant the plane lands.
    Europe [Denmark, France]: SMS on disembark
    UK: SMS the instant the plane hits
    Japan: Not a peep. Those guys actually know how to use the vibrate setting.

    Of course the above is far from conclusive - but everytime I travel to the US I am still amazed how attached Americans are to their last desperate phone call before the phone takes off..

  11. Re:Public Airwaves by fireman+sam · · Score: 3, Funny

    into phone: Hello... yeah?... can you hear me now?... how about now?... yeah?... good... Listen I just called... what?... How about now?... good... Listen, I just wanted to say... wanted to say that... now?... Say that I have to agree with you about the lack of... Hang on... How about now?... lack of manners that some people have when they are on the... Is that better?... when they are on the phone... How about now?... I'll call you again in 5 minutes... You're breaking up... I'll call you back...
      to fellow passenger (trying to sleep): Don't you just hate these things?

    Thankyou

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  12. So sad. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny
    and already had 150 aircraft committed.
    It was for their own protection. The poor unfortunate airplanes had completely lost their grip on reality, and believed themselves to be ocean liners.

    When the 737s started terrorizing maintenance workers on the runway by taxing over to them and shouting "I'm a luxury cruise ship, play shuffleboard on me damn you!" we knew it was time for the padded hangars.
  13. And the self absorbed whining begins... by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, every person too stupid to bring ear plugs when they know they are going to be in a crowd and want silence, raise your hand!

  14. Up vs. down by booch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I assume they mean that it has 12 Mbps download speed. Which is actually 12 Mbps up from the ground to the plane.

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