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How to Encourage Use of OSS?

Marc Light asks: "I repair computers as a side line cause I want to keep up on what's going on in the world of computer technicians. When someone comes to me with a problem, if I have to reinstall I first try to convince them to install Ubuntu. For now I only have 25% of success, mostly because they usually use an app. or some hardware that would complicate their experience too much. When I install Windows, I also install Firefox, OpenOffice, VLC, Winamp (not open source but if they eventually switch to Linux, XMMS won't scare them), and CDex to drive them off Windows Media Player and DRM. I then take 15 to 30 minutes free of charge to explain to them the basics of their new software. For my part, I mostly got positive response. I'd say 80% of it is positive feedback. My questions to Slashdot readers: Do you think that computer technicians can make a difference in the adoption of OSS? And if they're for OSS, should they try to put some pressure on their users/clients?"

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  1. Converting by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really don't like the idea of trying to convert people.

    1. Re:Converting by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I really don't like the idea of trying to convert people.

      Why not? All they're trying to do is share something that they think is useful and good. It's entirely different from trying to convert someone religiously--it's not like we're saying "If you don't use this software instead, you're going to HELL!!!". It's just saying "Hey, in case you're interested, there is software that's free, useful, and developed cooperatively for the fun of it, instead of by companies." There's nothing wrong with it.

      I know it can be awkward sometimes, and I'm not really comfortable just shoving it into people's faces, but there's nothing wrong with offering it.

    2. Re:Converting by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really don't like the idea of trying to convert people.

      And yet isn't that exactly what an ad for a product is trying to do? At the very least people need to be informed of their options to even know they have them.

      I don't like the use of his word "pressure," but I have no problem with proseltizing things I like, particularly if I am the one being called upon to support them, but don't otherwise have a direct profit motive (which just make the issue "sales," and I've been willing to sell stuff in my life).

      "Are you sure you want those brakes? They're junk. Here's why. Here are brakes that are twice as good for half the price. You're welcome."

      What's wrong with that, especially given that I am not the one selling and profiting from the brakes? I only try to make 'em work right. Brakes that work right in the first place are easier to make work right.

      Ever try to make Windows work right? Isn't one of the biggest impediments to OSS getting someone knowledgable to get it working right for you?

      And he must be doing something right. A 25% "closing" percentage is phenomenal.

      KFG

    3. Re:Converting by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why not? All they're trying to do is share something that they think is useful and good. It's entirely different from trying to convert someone religiously--it's not like we're saying "If you don't use this software instead, you're going to HELL!!!". It's just saying "Hey, in case you're interested, there is software that's free, useful, and developed cooperatively for the fun of it, instead of by companies." There's nothing wrong with it.

      I know it can be awkward sometimes, and I'm not really comfortable just shoving it into people's faces, but there's nothing wrong with offering it.

      If this guy is getting 25% of the people he deals with like he says then I have a hard time beliving that there isn't some heavy pressure here. These aren't the average /. users.
      These are people who are calling someone else to fix their computer because they can't.
    4. Re:Converting by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to be an arse, but how do you know that's how he says it? I've known religious people who argue rationally for their faith, and why people might consider following it, and I've certainly known people who argue for OSS in the same manner as the worst, most zealous evangelical minister you could ever meet.

      There certainly is nothing wrong with pointing out to people that alternatives exist that may serve their needs just as well, while being less susceptible to whatever it was that broke things this time. However, I know from experience that that's not how everyone presents it - just read slashdot at a low-ish threshold, and you'll see examples what I'm talking about.

    5. Re:Converting by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What kind of BS is that? Window's wasn't ready for primetime until 3.11 or later! That didn't stop people from using it and buying it! NOW is the time to show people that there is another choice, and that there are OTHER ways to use a computer that do not rely on Windows products. That is the point, not some semi-philosophical ideology about F/OSS. The real point is that MS is not the only way to use a computer. Hell, most Windows users don't have even half a clue how to fully utilize the features and functions of Office apps. Showing them the equivelent application from OO gives them the same things they wanted from MS Office... AND its free as a bonus, no license issues to worry about, no WGA warnings to worry about, in fact, a LOT less to worry about. The more people that support F/OSS in the community at large, the wider the acceptance will be. That is the simple truth of it. Features like a live CD that allow a user to fully re-start their system fresh anytime they want, is a bonus so big that its overlooked many times. People that pay for support because they have their system so misconfigured that no one can sort it out can simply reboot, and viola! everything is good. They would pay big money to have an MS system that could do that without losing user data, and Linux gives them this, among many other GREAT features. Yes, I say Linux IS ready for primetime. Stop comaparing it to MS crap. Stop using MS as the rule to live by.

    6. Re:Converting by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why all the Linux talk in this thread? (Note: I'm a Debian user myself.) There's plenty of open source software for Windows. I think that's the best place to start. All you have to do is point people in that direction, explain that it's free, it will remain free and they can freely share it with anyone and everyone, and that it works. Apps like the Gimp (yes, I fully know it's no replacement for PS, but it's better than many other expensive graphics apps), CdEx, Audacity, 7-Zip, open Office, AbiWord, etc., are growing in popularity for a reason. If you get a Windows user using stuff like that and they're the sort of person who is likely to become interested in OSS, then just gett hem on that and then let nature take its course, so to speak.

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      I dream of a better world... one in which chickens can cross roads without their motives being questioned.
    7. Re:Converting by BeeBeard · · Score: 5, Insightful
      These are people who are calling someone else to fix their computer because they can't.


      That's right. And it sounds like rather than fix the problems, he suggests open source alternatives to the software they're already using and comfortable with? That's just ridiculous. I suspect that this is a case of the customers going along with it because "the computer guy said it was better" and not because they even care about something like Windows DRM. I like open source software, but the evangelism--even if it's conducted with a minimum of pressure--is misplaced, unnecessary, and a huge turn-off to most people who aren't part of the tech crowd. According to this guy's rough stats, 75% or about 3 out of every 4 people say "no" anyway.

      At least he is just turning his customers onto open source alternatives on the same platform, and in that sense what he's doing is fairly harmless. For instance, if you install Firefox on someone's Windows machine, and they discover they don't like it as much as you thought they might, at least they still have that trusty IE icon to click whenever they need to browse.

      I've heard horror stories of young, presumptuous techs who promise to "fix" a computer, and then proceed to nuke somebody's Windows 95B OEM / Office 97 installation that they've been using for years, and install Ubuntu with OpenOffice. If they worked for my company, I would promptly fire them.
    8. Re:Converting by fotbr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When most people only know windows, their tendency will be to compare other OSs to Windows. Same for MS Office and office suites. Crying foul when its compared to MS, or referring to everything people use as "crap" isn't going to win people over.

      I know the more socialist segments (note, segments, not everyone) of the FOSS crowd doesn't like having to compete on merits instead of idealogy, but until FOSS can beat the MS platform on merits, FOSS won't gain general acceptance.

      Here's a small lesson the FOSS community needs to learn: Insulting prospective customers doesn't do anything to win them over. This means not referring to MS products as "crap". This means not holding a holier-than-thou attitude when a noob comes to a forum and asks for help. This means keeping your documentation up to date and not assuming everyone will "figure it out" because they have access to all the source code.

      Average Joe wants a computer that works. Telling Joe that what he's been happy with for the last X years is "crap" and that $LinuxDistributionOfTheWeek is "better" puts Joe on the defensive right away. Joe needs to be able to ask "how do I get XYZ to work" in a forum without being told to "go RTFM and come back when you know something" when the manual hasn't been updated for 4 releases and no longer applies, or worse, there's multiple versions of the manual and he has to figure out which one he needs.

    9. Re:Converting by machineghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, even the beloved Ubuntu still has does have some problems, and just because you didn't experience them doesn't mean that the parent "has no experience with this at all." I personally just tried installing Dapper Drake the other day, and even though I have very new hardware (AMD 64 3000 and GeForce FX 5900; don't remember the motherboard), my system froze the moment the installer got to the GUI. I rebooted and installed in text mode, but even after installation, the moment I would get to the GUI everything would freeze(I'm sure it's possible to install some alternate driver or something, but since I've found Linux graphic stuff to be a giant PITA in the past, I'm just going to wait for Edgy Eft).

      Now I'm not at all trying to bash Ubuntu here (my company uses it at work, and it's very nice), but I am trying to demonstrate that Linux is still not there yet in terms of being ready for non-computer savvy users. I'm a big proponent of OSS; I've always installed Firefox and Thunderbird on every computer I fix, and lately I've started adding Open Office to the mix. I explain to the owners that "yes, you could use IE/Outlook/Word instead, but I guarantee that this software can do everything that software can, is 100% free, will always remain free (meaning that you can always get all the latest upgrades without paying), and can do some things that software can't (ie. OO can make pdfs, but Word can't, or at least not without $500 Adobe software)."

      IMHO, this is the kind of "missionary work" OSS needs: installing superior OSS products on existing Windows systems to demonstrate why OSS really is better. While I dream of a day when I can honestly tell people "I could re-install Windows, but I have this other free OS that I really think is better for you", that day has not yet arrived.

  2. Take the Force Out of Your Method by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And if they're for OSS, should they try to put some pressure on their users/clients?
    You may feel like you're fighting the good fight and putting up a valiant effort but the last thing I want is people who have bad Linux/OSS experiences out there telling everyone about them. I mean, I can think of several people that would actually be detrimental to your cause if you pressured them into using OSS.

    The beautiful thing about OSS is that it's free. And you're not forced to use it (like Dell forces people to use Windows). Let's keep it that way.

    Please only install this software on their machines if they give you permission. If their computer stops working soon after or they experience problems that they don't understand (file associations), they may just quietly blame it on those applications and tell that to all their friends and relatives.
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    My work here is dung.
  3. hmm, by joe+155 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for converting as many people as possible, and I think there are some areas where you can make a real difference, like Firefox, because it will do what they want it to and they don't have to think about anything new or different. I've not even been able to get my girlfriend to agree to only have linux PCs in the house. She thinks she only know windows and that's all she wants. It's the same with my mum. I've shown them new things, triend to encourage... all for nought.

    Some people just don't want to change - and they are the vast majority of people... These are also the same people who complain the second something doesn't work on linux and yet put up with endless crashes with windows (because windows never causes problems). I'm amazed that you have a 25% rate. Maybe you should be posting to use about how you have such a good level?

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    *''I can't believe it's not a hyperlink.''
  4. Careful by Tinfoil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should suggest it, but don't try to convince them unless they ask for more information. Put together a sheet comparing the two operating systems and give them a live CD, but I would leave it at that. Besides, if they come back afterwards and say, I like this live CD, can you put it on the drive, you get more cashish.

    Technicians can play a role in getting the word out on FOSS and you seem to be doing a good job with FF and OO. Just remember that you don't know how they use their computer and perhaps Linux just is not right for that user.

  5. Install it by penguinbrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your installing all this other software for them, install something that is OSS and would do the same as VMWare and an image of Linux. Set it up so they can delete it VERY easy, doesn't take up TO much space and takes a simple double click to get a taste of this mystical creature.

  6. consequences by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anyone who's helped a computer-challenged friend or colleague is tempted to prescribe sweeping changes. The problem is, that no matter how much better the methods, applications or even OS you recommend, you are responsible in their mind for every problem they encounter from then on.

    Long ago I helped a guy rationalise his laptop; upgraded DOS, and Wordperfect (shows how long ago this was...). Then weeks later I get a call "I can't save my file! You've messed up my computer! It worked before!!! etc...". Turns out he was trying to use an illegal filename. So a problem he created that had nothing to do with what I had done, had become my problem. And this continued for months. It only takes a few people like that to sour you on the whole idea, and you revert to "Reformat and reinstall; call MS if it doesn't work". Beware those who nod and agree when you make suggestions, often they have no idea what is going on and will come back to you time and time again to ask the same question and drive you insane. Unless you're either a BOFH or Mahatma Gandhi, don't be a suggester.

  7. The Problem & the Solution by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree. The person who submitted this story is clearly trying to fix something that's probably not borken.

    How to Encourage Use of OSS?
    If you really want to champion this movement, you have to recognize the problem before you can start to offer people solutions. You mention installing OSS apps that you seem to enjoy on everyone's machine.

    While you may feel that this is doing them a world of good, what problem did you solve? Did they complain to you that they were sick of DRM? Did they complaining that they wish they hadn't bought MS Office and long for a free suite of editing and publishing tools? Was IE failing to fill its role in their lives? ... probably not.

    For the average person, there are few problems with their computer experiences. If they have issues with security online or troubles coming up with the cash for MS Office, then you have definite problems that need solutions. And OSS is there for them, that's when it's your duty to step in and offer your services and free 15-30 minutes of time to explain how this new software works. Nobody wants to climb extra learning curves and, let's face it, commercial software products are usually years ahead of their OSS competitors.

    A lot of open source applications are developed to satisfy a very specific problem. That is, they don't have a breadth of system requirements, just very very specific ones. They may come out fulfilling these few requirements far and above their competitors but they often lack the bells and whistles. For instance, I love CDex because it's simple and slimmed down with no DRM. Does this mean that my sister should also want to use it? No. She doesn't care or know what DRM is and my explanations bore her. Instead, she wants quick instant American gratification at the click of a button. iTunes gives this to her, CDex is ugly and foreign with no online tutorials or music store built into it.

    So before you ask me how to encourage the use of OSS, you first need to tell me the problem that OSS needs to solve. I'm guessing for a lot of these people, there isn't one. Unfortunately, OSS is simply not for everyone.

    If someone comes to you in distress with a problem, simply say, "you know, I use this app that ..." or if someone comes to you with obvious little money say, "you know, there are all these free tools out there ..." That's when you'll really do people some good -- not when you force it down their throats and tell them that their trusty expensive apps are the devil.
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    My work here is dung.
  8. Learn to create dual booting systems. by 3seas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    having the ability to boot linux or windows can be a plus. You can explain to them that should their windows system again get corrupted for any number of reasons, least of which is not online garbage, they can still use linux.

    I once created a triple booting system with windows98, windowx XP and Knoppix. I had to disallow either windows partition from seeing each others but had a common partition for anything that any of teh systems needed to access like user files. Of course Knoppix had full acces to the whole system as that didn't cause potential conflicts. I didn't create this system for myself but for a friend who had been running Window ME and letting all his friends and kids access the internet. It took over 15 minutes for it to boot, had over 600 items of spyware on it, and a few viruses. In trying to fix it I watched it deteriorate to the point of non-functional.

    Choice is a wonderful thing, but removing windows altogether can be a plus to, as it forces the user to get use to linux.

    Personally I prefer Linux, Ubuntu as of current, for general computing and even programming with python.

    My use of windows at home has been reduce a great deal and only use it when I need to use an application only available in windows.
    But I'm finding more that is not available in a windows environment. Linuxcnc machine controller, even just for simulation, uses the real time kernel and is not available on windows.

    OS I look to for the no to distant future include AROS, DragonFlyBSD and look over at the HURD and Minix3. Something has to give!!! As even Linux is not as user empowering as computing should be. And Windows is probably becomming the worst in terms of user empowering (The shell is a good indicator)

  9. Re:How about just doing your job by div_2n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, there is nothing wrong with a waiter recommending something either. In fact, they usually do in a subtle way via "Tonight's special is . . ."

    "Fix" is such an ambiguous word sometimes when it comes to computers, isn't it? It isn't like a flat tire because often I hear "Can you fix my computer and make that never happen again?" or something to that effect. If they are sincere about that last part, can you really put Windows back on their computer? I usually reply with "I can't guarantee you something like that won't happen again, but I can offer you something that will come as close as possible to that. I want you to understand that going this path is a bit different from what you are used to, but it shouldn't take long to feel right at home."

    If they are interested, I explain further. It is with a tag line like this that you find out how serious they are about "make it never happen again" because as soon as they learn their favorite piece of software probably won't work (it might with Wine, but no guarantee), you find out what is really important.

    I would argue that as a technician, your job is not only to "fix" the problem, but to offer them a solution. Reinstalling Windows is a fix. Installing Linux is a solution. Not all solutions in the world offer one to one options. Sometimes, some things must be given up to truly solve a problem.

  10. Re:How about just doing your job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would you like your waiter to try and convince you to change your order because they don't think it's right to eat lamb?

    I would expect my waiter to turn me off of the spinach if there was an e-coli outbreak going around. I long ago told my own mother to never ask me another tech support question again if she continued using Windows. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the problems inherent to using shit software anymore. She bought a Mac. I still don't answer any tech support questions, because she doesn't have any problems anymore.

    If you bring your car to the shop, do you tell them how to fix it? If the shop says it's really time to get a new car, do you tell them "that's not your job, just fix my car?" That would be your perogative; in the same way it's your perogative to smoke, live on potato chips and beer, and sit on your fat lazy ass all day long. But no would would call that healthy living; and you should not throw stones at people who would try to help you out of that situation.

    If someone repeatedly insists on going against your recommendations as a professional computer technician, you should stop enabling them, unless you enjoy the sick symbiotic relationship of profitting from someone else's self inflicted misery.

  11. Re:How about just doing your job by kripkenstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would you like your waiter to try and convince you to change your order because they don't think it's right to eat lamb?

    No, this would be more like the chef telling you a certain food combination won't work well, and recommending another.

    (1. Waiters aren't experts. Chefs are. So are computer technicians. 2. Telling you not to eat lamb is a political action. Recommending a different complement of dishes for dinner isn't political, the chef probably knows what he's doing. Likewise, computer technicians know that certain open-source software packages are good to use because they have tangible benefits.)