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A Mac Fan's Take On Vista
jcatcw writes "Ken Mingis has been running Vista on a MacBook Pro for a couple of weeks. Highlights from his review: 'Apple's UI is called Aqua. Microsoft calls its interface Aero. Hmmmm... Gadgets and widgets. What's that line about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery?... The UAC implementation in Vista is heavy-handed and intrusive — it halts what you're doing, even if you want to do something as simple as change your clock. My sense here is that Microsoft has been criticized so often for security vulnerabilities that it decided to club users over the head with its new operating system-in-lockdown-mode... I'm more enamored of Vista's Flip 3D feature, which basically takes all of the open windows on your desktop, stands them up on end and stacks them in a way that you can cycle through to the one you want to use. It's similar to what Apple's Expose does... Vista's method wins on aesthetics.'"
I'll just out and say it -- Ken Mingis is just looking for bells & whistles. He's not in search of the 'best' operating system, just looking for the one that can waste CPU cycles while making the user ooh and ahh.
Here's something you could have figured out for me: how efficient are these effects? What's the net cost of having Aqua or Aero? Do these graphical interfaces leave sasquatch sized memory footprints? Are Gadgets & Widgets memory efficient? Does all this extra shit cause any more bugs than a regular operating system without them?
Big deal. Call me when you write an object review. I want to know which of these operating systems will run on my old ass laptop with a low end P4 in it. Not all of us have the new intel core 2 duos.
Congratulations, four pages of inundating me with ads, bitching about UAC & falling head over heels for Aero. Sounds like every other Vista review I've read.
My work here is dung.
Well that is the typical Windows vs. Mac Debate. Apple OS method is do what you need to do, and let the OS Do What it needs to do, and try not to step on each others foot. Windows is a working Microsoft Commercial for every feature that help you save time or protect you from trouble it is like Windows says "See Microsoft cares about you because we just protected you", While Mac OS X is more like go do what you need to do we will keep out of it and protect you when you need it, and we will only talk to you when we really have to. Even the Eye Candy. OS X eye candy is subtile while Windows is flashy. It is like a a man in a nice suit vs. a Pimp.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I guess you don't run applications on your systems, just OS's.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
Everyone seems to be seeing how OSs fare compared to each other, giving bragging rights to whichever one was the first to use various features, when that doesn't even matter in the slightest. An OS is to be used - it's not your child, you don't have to stand up for it. If it does what you need it to do, then it's great. I don't give a rat's ass who invented "windows flying around revealing themselves" first, I just care if it's of any use to me. It's an operating system, not a political statement. Fucking fanboys.
Expose simply looks and behaves so much more efficiently and aesthetically. Try Flip3D when you have 20 windows open, and you'll get an obscured stack of windows that you have to travel through one by one, including the desktop (weirdly, Flip3D puts the desktop in there as a window too). In addition, there's no need to "cycle" through the windows in Exposé, because it displays all windows at once.
Very true. With a button press (or mouse squeeze on my desktop), I can see all the windows at once. So I'm a button press and a click (or a squeeze and a click) away from anything. However, with Flip3D, I'm a button press, a bunch of scrolling, and a click away from anything.
Also, Exposé is also useful if I need to see both windows at once, like if I'm typing something based on something I'm reading (summarizing news articles in my case) or if I need to compare 2 or more images for some reason.
Also, Exposé runs fine on a 1.33 GHz G4 with 32 MB VRAM (although most OS X eye candy like 64 MB VRAM), while Flip 3D will require 64MB or, more likely, 128MB VRAM.
The more you tighten your grip, the more star^H^H^H^Husers will log in as administrator.
I think quite a lot of people moaned about "Documents and Settings" because
a) it's quite a lot to type
b) it contains those embedded spaces that can be troublesome for the CLI and some older apps
Given that they wanted to change it, what else would you call it? And at the end of the day, does it matter that it's the same on OS X?
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Sure, gadgets are blatant knockoffs. But they arent blatant knockoffs of OS X widgets. Theyre blatant knockoffs of Konfabulator (Now Yahoo Widgets), which is what Apple knocked off too.
Apple fanbois dont get to complain about this one.
All MS did was copy Apples copying. Now admittedly, there are plenty of legitimant copyjobs going back and forth between both companies, but this isnt one of them.
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Well, that's just wonderful for you. I'm very glad you've found satisfaction with Vista, and unsubstantiated anecdotes are always so valuable in helping us assess new products.
Umm, just one question, wtf did all this have to do with TFA?
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
It takes 2 seconds to disable it if you don't like it. Windows R, msconfig, disable UAC, reboot.
It reboots in 2 seconds? Amazing. It'd be even faster if Microsoft could figure out how to make an OS that allows you to modify a configuration without requiring a reboot. Everyone else seems to have figured it out.
Just junk food for thought...
How zippy is your machine? An XP 1700 wita a gigabyte of RAM is capable of simulating regional weather patterns in real time, or of calculating about 10,000 lunar orbital injection trajectories per second, or of playing 100 competition chess games simultaneously, or of analysing and controlling traffic patterns in a mid-sized city core.
So, er, your 1700 *is* a super system. With that much horsepower at your disposal, you shouldn't have to wait more than 0.1 second to start up your favorite application. If you notice *any* lag before any dialog box comes up, you should be questioning why.
Who said this was supposed to be an unbiased review?? This is intended to compare and contrast Vista with OS X, and enlighten some of the non-Mac using computer users out there that some of Microsoft's "new features" aren't really so "new" to everybody.
In that respect, I agree completely with him.
Frankly, his review interested me more than the plethora of soon-to-come, objective reviews filled with benchmarks will.
I already own and use a Macbook Pro, and I was thinking about setting it up to dual-boot into Vista. (I have XP set up to boot via Bootcamp on it now, and that works quite well.) After reading about his power-management issues and problems with right-click support, I think I'll stick with XP on it for now, instead.
Painfully Subjective Review
I'll just out and say it -- Ken Mingis is just looking for bells & whistles. He's not in search of the 'best' operating system,
You are correct, however the implication that looking for the "best" OS would have been less subjective is laughable. Any search for the "best" operating system is inherently subjective, because "best" is a totally subjective criteria.
Any time I see a review where someone is looking for the 'best' anything, where two solutions exist, is not going to be objective. If it was objective, then it would need to explain why both things exist -- which implies that there are people who find both of them to be the best, respectively (otherwise why would they be using it?).
Frankly, I didn't find his review objective, but I'll take blatant over veiled subjectivity any day. It's not like he tried to hide where he was coming from, or give it much of a journalistic, authoritative overtone; he just stated his opinion.
As someone with a similar background to the reviewer, his statements were valuable to me. Sometimes, a variety of biased but straightforward reviews can be far more elucidating than a probably-biased but totally opaque one. At least with something like this, I can say "okay, so he's coming to this from the perspective of a Mac user, meaning he probably thinks the way OS X works is generally OK..." etc.
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really? how is it insightfull? its completely off topic, irrelevant and not only that its retarded
He took my statement out of context and tied it to something completely out of subject. I was the one stating my old Peecee runs vista very well.. if you want to get really retarded why not preach to the people complaining how dual core systems are slow and they're pissed there sli system isn't supported or they STILL can't watch hdtv.
oh why bother, this is the slashdot crowd, where garbage is #1!
We all need to start tagging the stories with "fuddoesnotmeanwhatyouthink" because I only ever see it used as "I like/don't like issue X" now. It means Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, and is very specific as a tactic to spread scary misinformation folks. It's not meant as a label for anything, *anything* that you disagree with.
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