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Peter Moore Plugs the Wii60 Again

Next Generation is reporting that Peter Moore has once again raised the concept of the 'Wii60', a gamer who has chosen to buy an Xbox 360 and a Wii, instead of ... that other guy's product. From the article: "In a canny piece of anti-Sony propaganda he said, 'Dual platform ownership of Xbox 360 and Wii could be as high as 40% depending on what territory we are talking about. The influence of the Wii-60 movement seems to be growing enormously.' ... But the mischievous Liverpudlian could not resist expressing some doubts about Nintendo's machine. 'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'"

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  1. But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    How innovative do your thumbs feel after 60 minutes of Halo?

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    1. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by jbrader · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.

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    2. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by buswolley · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The funny thin about running is that the first time you do it, you can barely finish a mile. You are out of breath and you burn. Guess what. After you run it a few times yor body gets the idea and things become easier. You become stronger, with greater endurance, and.. well healthy.

      Tell me how this is bad? Besides, exercise puts a person in a better mood and wakes you up.. Prime conditions for innovation.

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    3. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by LordNimon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But those people are typically in good shape physically. The average gamer is not.

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    4. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by Cirak · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's probably heard of all of the injuries people accumulate doing these voluntary activities, though. Hell, tennis has an elbow injury named for it. I haven't yet heard "video game thumb" as a common injury term thrown around in physical therapy offices.

    5. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by hollismb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, they feel just about the same as when I started. Some people do get blisters or sore thumb-tips though, agreed. Personally, I'm just about as concerened about the Wiimote as Peter is. I definitely want to try it out at some point, but I've always considered games as (at least physically) passive entertainment, something I do as a form of relaxation (I work out and run for excercize). Nintendo has turned that idea completely around. I'm just not sure I like it. Yet.

    6. Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      I once had a really nasty case of Pac-Man Fever myself.

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  2. people seem confused by tont0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'

    People dont seem to realise that you arent going to be cocking your whole arm back and exert enough force to chop a tree down. There are plenty of gameplay videos, including videos of Madden, where its a simple snap of the wrist in order to pass.

    1. Re:people seem confused by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Is that low-impact enough?

      It depends. Do I *HAVE* to stare?

      -Eric

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  3. Wii satisfaction by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 4, Funny

    The question for me is whether owning a Wii on its own is going to be a satisfying enough experience."

    I know my wii brings me lots of satisfaction...

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  4. Controller... by remembertomorrow · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think Slashdot readers will have any problem with arm stamina... :P

    Unless, of course, they don't use their dominant hand.

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  5. That's Microsoft by dahwang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There goes Microsoft trying to piggyback off the anticipated success of the Wii. They know the Wii will most likely succeed and will try as much as possible to connect the 360 with the Wii. The fact that the article mentions a Wii, is free publicity for Microsoft. Pretty smart, I must admit.

  6. most gamers by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 3, Funny

    well seeing how most gamers play with their wee for 10-15 minutes with a few minutes between for hours on end I'm sure they could handle it.

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  7. So Sore... by tonyr1988 · · Score: 2, Funny
    it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.
    I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

    If the biggest problem with the Wii is that it's more realistic than the others (and apparently fun enough to play until you're sore), then props to Nintendo.
    1. Re:So Sore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

      If your shoulder is getting sore after an hour of killing people, you really need to improve your techinque. Work smarter, not harder.

  8. Beat after an hour? by HatchedEggs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're saying that gamers are so out of shape that its going to put the hurting on you to play tennis for an hour?

    See, in my opinion that is one of the greatest benefits that the Nintendo has. Imgine the marketing campaigns that they will be able to use and tell parents that their children will... now get this *actually get a work-out* while playing. Now, its not going to be the same thing, but it is still better than being totally dormant.

    I am looking forward to playing some tennis, etc with my wife. I can't convince her to play traditional games, but if there is some physical activity involved she might consider playing every now and then.

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  9. Re:You know what? by ElleyKitten · · Score: 3, Insightful
    With the HD-DVD coming out for X360 at $200, doesn't that put it pretty much in the same ballpark as PS3?
    Does everyone want HD-DVD? I'll take that $200 and buy more DVDs and games, thank you.
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  10. Wii60 is idiotic by Twiceblessedman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see, what can I get for the price of a wii60? I can buy a wii, with an extra controller and a few games. The people going around spouting this wii60 crap are just doing the marketing for Microsoft by jumping on Nintendo's coattails which is pretty much brand theft. They are just hoping that this will help their dismal sales as they are about to be trounced by the PS3(especially since they just announced some price cuts) and Wii this christmas.

  11. Hasn't hurt ... by rlp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dance Dance Revolution - which has been remarkably popular. DDR has even (according to previous Slashdot articles) made it into secondary school phys. ed. programs.

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  12. Why not simplify.... by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and just buy a Wii? I already have a games machine (my PC), I'm at least somewhat interested in getting a console. Why the hell would I want 2?

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  13. Who is Peter Moore? by kabocox · · Score: 4, Funny

    I went to wiki to find out who this Peter Moore guy was..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Moore
    Peter Moore (chemist) (born 1939), professor at Yale University
    Peter Moore (Microsoft), Microsoft executive
    Peter Bullfrog Moore (1932-2000), Canterbury Bulldogs Rugby League official
    Peter Moore (serial killer) (born c. 1940), British serial killer
    Peter Moore (travel author) (born 1962), Australian travel writer
    Peter Moore (Australian rules footballer), winner of the Brownlow Medal in 1979 and 1984
    Peter Moore (politician), leader of Sheffield City Council, Yorkshire, England

    Comparing the pictures, it turned out to be the MS executive. I was just wondering based on the comments the guy was spouting if he was the politican or serial killer though.

  14. Sports is not a good analogy. Try this at home ... by jchenx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.

    Sports is not a good analogy. That's a wide range of activities that exercise different muscles, and at different rates. Moore does bring up a good point, and it *is* something to worry about.

    Here's something to try at home or wherever you are. Lift your arms straight in front of you. You don't even need to hold anything in them. Keep them outstretched. How long do you think you can keep them there, carrying nothing? You may be surprised how fast you get tired (generally in only a few minutes). This was a "neat trick" I learned when I was doing martial arts. Heck, even your uber football player may have problems with this, especially if their arms are really bulked up with muscles.

    Granted, when you play the Wii-mote, your arms generally won't be outstretched like that for very long. Hopefully with most games, they can stay mostly near your body. But it still might be something to be concerned about. That's frankly one of my main concerns for the console, and one of the first things I'll watch for when I pick up the Wii.
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  15. Re:You know what? by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I am totally getting a Wii, so this is not slanted in any way, but honestly, I'm concerned about the strain that using a motion-sensitive controller for every game, every movement, etc. will have. Seriously. I'm all for getting up off the couch, interactivity, and innovation. However, when I want to do some monster gaming session on Zelda, or Metroid Prime or something, how long can I really play before my body says "sit down, and stop flailing about. Plug that GC controller in right now, young man..." :)

    Exactly. People think the controller is going to be some wonderful gaming device, but it is strictly for casual and brief gaming. Any more than that and you will get wrist strain. The situation is exacerbated because the thing has so few buttons that many games will have to rely on weird gestures to perform actions that you can do with a button press on another console. Not only are gestures slower than button presses, but they'll just make wrist strain even more likely than it already is. I wonder how many Wii games will bother to support the "classic" joystick seeing as it's sold separately.

    Having said that, I saw a review of a game that would work great on the Wii - Okami. The game requires the user to do gestures with an analogue stick, but the Wii remote would work far better.

    But I think the Wii-60 argument is really compelling. The idea that you can buy both machines for a price comparable to the PS3, and have both next-gen graphics as well as innovative gameplay... I don't really see why you wouldn't, especially as we're entering this age of multi-platform games being the norm, due publishers and devs trying to make back their high development costs.

    It isn't a comparable price unless you buy the "core" XBox 360 and then you're tossing out most of the reasons for buying a 360 in the first place, such as being able to play music (from the HD), download games or episodic content. All that's left is HD games and DVD player. And if you do buy a premium Xbox 360, why not just buy a PS3 and benefit from the bluray HD player, better performance and other bits and pieces it contains. So what's the point of buying two consoles? You may as well buy a Wii or buy a PS3. I don't see any compelling reason to an XBox 360 as well.

  16. Re:makes sense by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Insightful
    PC - the Holy Ghost, naturally... because it's DEAD.
    Just because consoles have finally learned to partially emulate the full richness of PC gaming(you console people think Halo is good for crying out loud, go play a real game like PC HL2) you think PCs are dead? All the best games are on the PC.
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  17. Re:You know what? by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All console add-ons have failed. The only one to even come close to succeeding is the Sega CD with 500,000 sold.

    It's very doubtful any games, besides a few technology demos, will ever be released for the Xbox 360 HD-DVD. Why? Because it will increase the already astronomical development costs of the platform, yet it will significantly shrink the possible market since a very small percentage of Xbox 360 users will buy it. It's sort of a chicken and egg problem.

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