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Virgin Galactic Unveils SpaceShipTwo

BoulderDad writes, "Richard Branson presented a mock-up of the new SpaceShipTwo in New York. From the article: 'Future passengers aboard Virgin Galactic spaceliners can look forward to cushioned reclining seats and lots of windows during suborbital flights aboard SpaceShipTwo, a concept interior of which was unveiled by British entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson Thursday.' The video is worth watching; the spaceport details are more concept than reality, but the depiction of the phases of space flight is very good."

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  1. Shotgun! by daniil · · Score: 2, Funny

    I get the shotgun seat!

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    1. Re:Shotgun! by slagheap · · Score: 4, Informative

      I get the shotgun seat!

      You can have it.

      I saw Burt Rutan (the craft designer) talking at the Oshkosh EAA convention a couple months ago. He explained how they plan to allow exactly that. The typical SpaceShip 2 Flight will have 8 people on board... That's one Virgin pilot, and 7 "revenue" seats. 6 passengers will typically show up just a day or two before their flight for some brief training. The seventh guest will pay a lot more, and will arrive 2-3 months before the flight for extensive training. They will be the official co-pilot for their flight.

      I'm sure you will need to be a licensed pilot going in, so start working on that training now!

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  2. bin space? by omahajim · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where's the overhead bin space? I'm gonna have to board early to find space for my rollerboard!

    1. Re:bin space? by tgd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seems to me someone probably said the aircraft needed to be bin laden, half the room started talking about european or african spaceships, and the other half called the Department of Homeland Security.

      Probably just easier to leave them out.

  3. Re:Blue's Clues Spaceship Cruise? by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    "If you're going to build a spaceship, you've got to build a green spaceship," Branson said, adding that the carbon dioxide output from a single spaceflight is on par with those of a business class seat aboard commercial aircraft.

    So, they aren't going to pollute much at all. As for being for rich people only, well, that's generally how new technologies work. Commercial air travel was, at the beginning, a luxurious way for the wealthy to travel. New technologies are expensive, and tend to be geared at first toward people who can afford them. As these flights become routine, and as the technology improves (and especially as competition enters the market), prices will fall.

  4. Re:Blue's Clues Spaceship Cruise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Compared to the CO2 emissions output of, say, 700,000,000 registered motor vechicles world wide?

    Zero.

  5. emissions by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    from the article, which you should have read:

    Whitehorn and Branson both said that SpaceShipTwo will rely on a new type of hybrid rocket fuel, one slightly different from the rubber and nitrous oxide mixture that propelled SpaceShipOne into suborbital space three times in 2004.

    "If you're going to build a spaceship, you've got to build a green spaceship," Branson said, adding that the carbon dioxide output from a single spaceflight is on par with those of a business class seat aboard commercial aircraft.

    Whether that is good enough for you, I don't know. I find that to be acceptable.

  6. Orbit? by bobs666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its one thing to get to some altitude, and back.

    But when will private industry make it into orbit and back.
    You need that if you want to stay for more then free fall.

    Its the speed of orbit, and reentry from that speed, that makes this hard.

    A real space tourist will want to stay a while.

    As for several minutes of weightlessness, you can get
    that from conventional aircraft.

    1. Re:Orbit? by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Insightful


      As for several minutes of weightlessness, you can get
      that from conventional aircraft.

      True, but what you don't get is the blue sky disappearing to be replaced with the blackness of space. I'd also imagine you can see the curvature of the earth quite well from 60 miles up. Weightlessness is kinda cool I'm sure, but I think the selling point for all the millionaires will be the visuals, the G-forces, and of course telling all your too-rich friends that you officially went into space. I imagine if this thing is successfull it could fund the next stage, which would be an orbital vehicle.

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    2. Re:Orbit? by Tmack · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I imagine if this thing is successfull it could fund the next stage, which would be an orbital vehicle.

      Or extremely high parchuting! I remember reading a short sci-fi story about something like this once. They had a tower that went up into the stratosphere/leo region, where you take an elevator ride to the top, put on a space suit with a dish shaped heat shield, then jumped off. After re-entering the atmosphere and slowing down enough from drag, you jettison the dish, then procede like a normal jump. Sounds fun..

      tm

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    3. Re:Orbit? by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 3, Informative
      Project Mercury was designed to be scalable to orbital velocities and the reentry associated with it.

      Virgin Galactic's (Rutan's) method is not scalable to orbital velocities. It's not even new or unique.

      We have been launching small rockets off airplanes for decades now.

      There is no reason to take this step. It doesn't put them going towards orbit.

      It is Rutan and Co.'s marketing department that has convinced people this is a necessary step to the commercialization of space.

      All it is a scam to milk $250,000 people off those that can afford it and he used the X-prize as a form of advertising for it.

    4. Re:Orbit? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What can't you understand? This isn't about technology. This is about building a market.

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  7. Re:Blue's Clues Spaceship Cruise? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tell me this thing doesn't put you in mind of a big cartoon dog.

    I thought it looked more like a sleek, white running shoe, but that's pretty improbable.

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  8. Re:Blue's Clues Spaceship Cruise? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, they aren't going to pollute much at all.

    FTA: Launched from 60,000 feet.

    I don't suppose they're lauching these ships by these energy friendly means.

    More like they latch this bugger onto a jet, take off with it and then launch the space ship from it. Can't say that sounds as efficient an ordinary old business class jet.

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  9. For those with more money than common sense. by zorkmid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Passengers will have several minutes of weightlessness during the spaceflight, and then have about 40 seconds to return to their seats

    200K for "several minutes" in space? Sorry, I'll wait until 2010 for Bigelow's space hotel.

    1. Re:For those with more money than common sense. by seriesrover · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know, for 80% of people in this world they'd say the exact same thing about people like you with iPods, 'puters, HDTVs, digital cameras etc.


      I'd suggest getting of your high horse and realize that people with a lot of money actual tend to have MORE common sense (not all, most) - you need it to either make it and\or retain it. And besides, its theirs to spend it how they want - to be able to go into space, even for a mere few seconds, would be a trip of lifetime.

  10. Re:Comfy... by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, but you get a complimentary silk barf bag with a Virgin Atlantic logo.

  11. Not to be confused with... by Fx.Dr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Galactic Virgins, found most notably in parents basements and Star Trek conventions nation-wide.

  12. Where the real money is at. by g00bd0g · · Score: 4, Funny

    The 1st zero-G porno is gonna rake it in.

    1. Re:Where the real money is at. by X86Daddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 1st zero-G porno is gonna rake it in.

      No need to use future tense...
      http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/movies/uranus_ experiment_000516.html (safe for work link)

  13. Popular Science Not Slashdotted Yet by zentinal · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since it seems the ravening hordes have slagged Space.com's servers, I permission from Popular Science to post a link to their SpaceShipTwo story on the Popular Science website.

  14. Re:cargo by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Informative

    small rocket.; think of the pegasus launch system.

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  15. Second-second-system effect? by motiz88 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Five years from now: "Virgin Galactic Unveils SpaceShipTwo 2 Duo II Zwei Deux!"

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  16. Re:Money poorly spent... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny thing is, that it is things like this that lead to innovations that help our society. Afterall, it is jobs that are needed. As to being a go-cart for the rich and famous, well, it will lead to a go-cart for the upper class, followed by go-carts for the middle class, while the rich and famous will go to the moon followed by rides for the upper class, followed by .....

    All in all, when jobs start here, they will be high paying jobs, not McDonald/Walmart jobs. This combined with Bigelow will lead America and the world into some interesting times.

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  17. Re:Money poorly spent... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that far too little is done about global hunger and poverty. The socialist in me thinks rich countries should find ways to help people so they don't suffer. However...

    When was the last time you went out to eat?

    Have you ever spent $20 on a good meal? $40? $100?

    If so, for the price of your one meal, dozens of hungry people could have been fed. Using your logic, I'd say everyone should only eat the least expensive foods they can get their hands on, never have any entertainment expenses (you don't buy games, do you?) and give all of their non-necessity income to the poor.

    Somehow, I don't think you're doing that. And you shouldn't.

    There aren't many good answers for getting around the system and feeding the world's hungry, but "rich people shouldn't spend their money on things they want to buy" is at the bottom of the barrel. Unless you're willing to make the same sacrifices in your everyday life, I wouldn't expect others to - it's really just a drop in the bucket either way.

  18. Re:Blue's Clues Spaceship Cruise? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But first, you need to have somewhere to go. After you go through the 1,000 people on the planet that can afford to do this AND want to do this for fun

    I just had an image of a slashdotter from last century saying the same thing to the wright brothers...

  19. Exterior of SpaceShipTwo by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The linked article only shows the photos of a mockup of SS2's interior. The coverage over at Gizmodo includes some images from Virgin Galactic which show the conceptual design for the exterior of SpaceShipTwo:

    http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/first-image s-of-virgin-galactic-spaceshiptwo-cabin-203802.php

    One of the images compares the size of SpaceShipTwo to other vehicles, such as SpaceShipOne, the Bell X-1, and a Boeing 747.

  20. Somebody should have said this by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is with "SpaceShipOne", "SpaceShipTwo"? Reminds me of an ancient joke about a programmer who was told to drop undescriptive variable names like "i" or "j", so he adopted variable names like "descriptive_enumerator_1", "descriptive_variable_name_2".

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  21. Who pissed in your cheerios? by pavon · · Score: 3, Informative
    You are right in correcting the parent - this is not an orbital technology, never will be, and was never intended to be. But the rest of you comment is completely uncalled for.

    We have been launching small rockets off airplanes for decades now.
    Great where can I get a ride on one - oh, only if I am one of a handful of jet pilots in the Air force or government space program.

    There is no reason to take this step.
    Sure there is - because it can and will be completed within the next decade, unlike the private man-to-orbit projects under way. It will also likely be much more affordable than the orbital trips, even when they do come to fruition. Bungee jumping will never scale to orbital velocities, but that does not make it worthless.

    All it is a scam to milk $250,000 people off those that can afford it ...
    Yeah, and damn that rafting company who scammed me out of $50 by providing a desired service in exchange for a mutually agreed upon sum. Dirty Capitalists.

    ...and he used the X-prize as a form of advertising for it.
    That was the whole point of the X-prize. It was never intended to go towards orbit, and the hope was that it would lead to a commercial venture. The people who provided the money for the X-prize don't feel cheated, and are very happy about Branson's deal with Rutan to develop it into profitable business.

    Oh, and you people bitching about the environmental impact need to get some perspective. There are thousands of flights across the world every day, and millions of vehicles being driven and thousands of coal plants spewing CO2 and soot. And you are worried about the pollution that one sub-orbital launch a week is going to do.

    Seriously, I am used to people on slashdot being critical jerks, but this thread is ridiculous. Rutan is an excellent high-performance plane designer, and rather than sitting around bitching about how he wished there were private alternatives to get into space, he took what knew and did something about it. In just a few more years he will be providing an opportunity to people that has never existed before, and which no one will match for many more years to come. You may not think it is worth the price, but thousands of other people do, and are more than willing to pay the $250,000 to get a glimpse of space. Sure I would prefer to see an orbital trip. But I will always be far more excited to see concrete progress in the present, no matter how small, than I will be to dream about vaporware.
  22. And when the market is there... by raduf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... some people will definitely want more. And companies will be way more willing to invest once the business model is proven.