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Sony Announces Global Battery Recall

snafu109 writes "Since the laptop battery recalls initiated by Dell, Apple, IBM/Lenovo, Toshiba & Fujitsu, some may have wondered whether the entire lot should be recalled. Well, over at MarketWatch, a new article reports just that. 'Sony said Thursday it will initiate a global replacement program for certain battery packs that use its lithium-ion cells in notebook computers in order to address concerns related to recent over-heating incidents.' In related news, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has released some tips on how to lower the risk of your laptop batteries exploding, no matter who the manufacturer."

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  1. At least they are recyclable by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but this is still going to be one hell of a bill.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:At least they are recyclable by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When looking at energy efficiency of power products, it's important to include the costs of manufacturing, maintenance and disposal. These true costs are what kills many power techs, like nuclear, most PV solar, and, say, slave boat rowers.

      I wonder how much energy will be spent per battery, including roundtrip airfreight fuel and your reading this message that I write, before the battery's current lifecycle is over.

      Of course those hidden costs aren't part of our decisions when we buy these devices to stay running away from tethered power for a plane flight. But they do count, and really add up when a massive recall is executed. Even the overall efficiency of a recalled car model must be impacted by the recall process.

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    2. Re:At least they are recyclable by Control+Group · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?

      I hope you're not seriously implying that the relative performance and cost characteristics of PV in orbit, where the cost per kg of payload at launch is astronomical (har!), the environment they operate in varies in temperature by hundreds of degrees, available sunlight is completely unfiltered by atmosphere, and there is zero chance of replacing spent fuel (see point 1)somehow translates meaningfully to their performance characteristics on the surface in comparison to other energy sources.

      Because that would be ridiculous.

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    3. Re:At least they are recyclable by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These materials are recyclable, which is certainly a better setup than before. But my point is the energy costs of recycling. How much energy is consumed in remanufacturing PV into a second duty cycle? Per energy produced in its prior cycle? Plus original manufacture and other maintenance? This is not a rhetorical question - I've spent dozens of hours, maybe hundreds, over the past 5-10 years trying to get those numbers for my own construction plans.

      A more rhetorical question is the energy budget of the PV powered satellites. Because the rockets launching them are so energy inefficient, especially when including their R&D, manufacturing, maintenance and pollution costs. Like with these notebook batteries, their PV is essential because it's the only way to run in their deployment environment, despite the huge inefficiency of their overall energy system.

      Ultimately, practically all those energy inputs burn petrofuels (or a little nuclear, and a tiny bit of hydroelectic, and negligible other sources). So these "alternatives" look good in the narrow view of their operating hours, but their total lifecycle probably burns even more petrofuels than straight combustion power.

      Energy consumption lies at the center of our economics, national security, and military, all interconnected at many levels. The only way to cut this gordian knot is to scale back the total energy consumption of all of these industries. Knowing the full true costs is an essential first step to reducing them.

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    4. Re:At least they are recyclable by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That solvent for your resin isn't exactly Perrier, so you have to figure out something to do with that. Semiconductor fabrication isn't exactly made from angel farts, either. Depending on how you do the math, PV can be pretty costly.

      "What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?"

      When you don't have to worry about an atmosphere, or mass production, and you can't really refuel the thing, your solution set changes. PV is a really good alternative for satellites. It's less ideal for, say, houses in Portland, OR.

      Your mileage certainly does vary.

      (Having said that, I think an RTG would be a fun thing to have in the basement...)

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  2. quote by notea42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Favorite Quote from the Consumer Products Safety Comission: "Computer batteries can get hot during normal use. Do not use your computer on your lap." Not much good as a LAPtop, then.

    1. Re:quote by Chode2235 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats why they are all called notebooks now. You aren't supposed to put them on your lap, but keep your notes in them...

    2. Re:quote by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, don't use it on your lap, unless you want to suffer the fate of this man, who burned a ... er ... sensitive part of his anatomy.
      If the battery bursts into flames, you definitely don't want it on your lap.

  3. I sense a conspiracy! by general+scruff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, here's the deal. Now sony is going to have millions of highly explosive batteries. Who thinks this might not be a good thing...

    Today: Rootkits, and DRM
    Tomorrow: Holding the world hostage with boiling lithium..

    eeek...

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    1. Re:I sense a conspiracy! by fistfullast33l · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one will never give into their demands. My Dell will never use DRM'd mus...BOOM... %^%@13#^$3@#$*^&^NO CARRIER

    2. Re:I sense a conspiracy! by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Informative

      In unrelated news, Sony announced today a movie rental program featuring their latest Digital Rights Management scheme. Each movie cartridge features an embedded power and monitoring system; if any attempts are made to copy the movie or circumvent the protection, the movie implodes to ensure that the copyright holder's rights are maintained.

      As part of their environmental initiative, Sony has also announced that they secured a source of recycled power supplies and detonation units for this new program.

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  4. why by Amouth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looks to me like they are trying to save face here.. though i don't think it will help much..
    Sony just keeps digging a bigger hole each way you look... I have to wonder if the exec's arn't stipping the company apart from the inside

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    1. Re:why by Amouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have noticed that until now they never recalled them for their own laptops... i wonder who they get their battiers from

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  5. Further Details... by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony announced today that, as part of their Global Replacement Program, they will be replacing the entire globe. "Yes, we screwed up so badly, that it is cheaper to leave and start a new planet than to fix everything that Sony has done wrong," said a Sony representative. Among Sony's past transgressions include rootkit-enabled laptop batteries, exploding CDs, and firing Nellie McKay. "On our new planet, we will build a Sonyful utopia, a planet by Sony, for Sony forever. A DRMed paradise for all to behold."

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  6. More tips to prevent explosion! by shoolz · · Score: 4, Funny
    Wow, those suggestions were really useful and non-obvious. But here's the few big ones they missed that you might not know about:
    • Never rip a battery in half (while the laptop is running);
    • Do not boil your battery or place it in a dishwasher;
    • Never use your battery as a dog chew-toy;
    • If you have a spare battery, never staple it to your laptop case - store it in a side pocket instead.
  7. OK, I'll say it by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PS3 fiasco
    Rootkit
    Laptop batteries
    BluRay
    RIAA/MPAA support


    Sony is looking more and more like a company that is poorly led and one that maybe can't be trusted. These are all (so far) huge public relation disasters. I think they need to rethink their strategy, in the meantime, I will be politely avoiding their products.

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  8. Confused? Worried? by mac123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yet no recall on the batteries in my Sony Vaio laptop?

    1. Re:Confused? Worried? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wondering the same thing too...

      From what I've read, it appears that Sony puts more battery charging safeguards into to their branded notebooks than Dell, Apple, etc do?

      Ron

  9. The worst way for this to happen to Sony by ConfusedSelfHating · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only do they have to do a full recall, but it gets dragged out through months of bad press. People will be calling their relatives asking if their laptops have Sony batteries in them. Do you think the laptop companies are going to blame anyone but Sony?

    Sony should have seen this coming and bit the bullet at that point. This has turned into a PR disaster. Most people don't understand the concept of a root kit, but they do understand "can't bring laptop on a plane, because it might bring the plane down" (Virgin Atlantic did ban several brands of laptops because of this issue) or "laptop bursts into flame, everybody blames Sony". It's a very simple concept and everybody can understand it. When technology doesn't work properly or worse becomes a hazard, people become angry and scared. And the last thing a company wants is to have its name associated with fear and pain.

    1. Re:The worst way for this to happen to Sony by pizpot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wait till a house catches fire and someone dies. Then Sony really will be a 4-letter word.

  10. low incidence by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the tips-to-prevent-fires link:
    There are tens of millions of portable computers in use. The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is aware of at least 47 incidents involving smoke or fire associated with notebook computers, from January 2001 through August 2006.

    So, taking a low-ball figure of 20 million for total notebooks in use from 1/01 thorugh 8/06, that's still just over 2 incidents per million notebooks... I wonder how many incidents there would be per million notebook-use-hours.

    To contrast, the rail system in the US was very pround when, in 1993, they were able to reduce reportable safety incidents below 3.0 per million train miles.

    What I'm trying to say is that people are getting very worked up over a not-very-big deal (not that the goal shouldn't be 0 incidents per million hours) -- and considering the minor harm that such fires are likely to cause, is it worth the economic and financial impact of these recalls?
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  11. Sony Batteries by sloth+jr · · Score: 2, Funny

    * apologies to Happy Fun Ball/SNL

    Sony Batteries

    -only $14.95-

            * Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Sony Batteries.
            * Caution: Sony Batteries may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
            * Sony Batteries Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
            * Do not use Sony Batteries on concrete.

    Discontinue use of Sony Batteries if any of the following occurs:

            * Itching
            * Vertigo
            * Dizziness
            * Tingling in extremities
            * Loss of balance or coordination
            * Slurred speech
            * Temporary blindness
            * Profuse sweating
            * Heart palpitations

    If Sony Batteries begin to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

    Sony Batteries may stick to certain types of skin.

    When not in use, Sony Batteries should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration...

    Failure to do so relieves the makers of Sony Batteries, Sony Corporation, of any and all liability.

    Ingredients of Sony Batteries include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.

    Sony Batteries have been shipped to our troops in Afghanistan and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.

    Do not taunt Sony Batteries.

    Sony Batteries come with a lifetime guarantee.

    Sony Batteries

    ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!

  12. New batteries better? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My Dell was one of the laptops with the recalled battery, so I promptly sent for a replacement. Mind you, I never had any problems with the battery at all - the computer ran cool as a cucumber (And never exploded). Of course, why would I turn down the chance for a new batter, if for no other reason than it should be better at holding a charge then my 18 month old one. Got my new battery in the mail last week, and guess what? The darn thing runs so hot, even when the laptop is running of of A/C power, that I'm practially burning my left palm everytime I use it. Is it too late to get my old battery back?

  13. Smoking bag in an airport! by raddan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Jesus! The article mentions a guy whose laptop started smoking as he boarded a plane.
    The safety of Lenovo's batteries was called into question in mid-September after an IBM ThinkPad caught fire at the Los Angeles International Airport. A passenger who had charged his laptop at the airport boarded his plane and then realized his computer bag was smoking. He ran off the plane onto the jetway, and the overheated notebook computer began throwing off sparks, Lenovo said.
    Good thing there wasn't a trigger happy air marshall there! If only he had some water to put out the... oh, wait. If I were this guy I'd be thankful to be alive.
  14. Why do the explode? by dayyan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just in case some of you are wondering why these batteries explode. A scientific summary would be: They become overcharged.

    And if you are wondering how overcharging can create an explosion. Another scientific summary would be: If you put more energy into an environment which cannot handle it. It becomes unstable.

    If you are wondering why an environment becomes unstable when too much energy is involved: It comes down to atomic science.

    Wondering why it comes down to atomic science? You might want to think about going back to school, we need more scientific minds like you.

  15. Sony Xplod by lynchmenow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why don't they just market their batteries under the Sony Xplod brand?

  16. Check your battery manufacturer in Linux by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 3, Informative
    To check the model number and manufacturer of your battery:

    cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0

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  17. Everyone blames Sony by griffon666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is interesting that everyone is blaming Sony and no one talks about Toshiba here. Back when Apple recalled batteries, quite a few people in this forum bitched about Apple. Now that Apple, Dell, Lenovo, and Toshiba have recalled batteries, people do realize who's fault it is.

    If I had been Sony, I would have asked the manufacturers to recall batteries all at the same time. Instead, they are getting bad press four times in a row as all the reputable manufacturers recall their batteries. What a PR disaster!

    I write this on a 12" Powerbook G4 1.5GHz; Apple recalled my first battery a year ago (it was an LG battery) and replaced it with a faulty Sony. I am currently awaiting the second replacement battery for this faulty Sony.