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New Data Transmission Record — 14 Tbps

deejne writes to alert us to a new bandwidth record: Nippon Telegraph and Telephone has announced data transmission at a rate of 14 terabits per second over a single optical fiber. The paper claims the previous record was "about 10 Tbps." In the new experiment, NTT sent data over 160 kilometers (nearly 100 miles) of optical fiber, in 140 channels of 111 Gbps each.

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  1. 140 channels of 111 Gbps each by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And still nothing worth watching.

    1. Re:140 channels of 111 Gbps each by CodeMasterPhilzar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unfortunately what they failed to mention in the article was that 12.7 Tbps of that was spam and viruses...

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  2. Preparing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    vista.windowsupdate.com?

  3. Misread title by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought it meant 14 ThePirateBays per second...

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    1. Re:Misread title by doofusclam · · Score: 4, Funny
      I thought it meant 14 ThePirateBays per second...


      Given an hour with that link it's exactly what i'd use it for.
    2. Re:Misread title by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A link that fast wouldn't help you. There isn't enough seed bandwidth on TPB to give you 14Tbits/sec, nor is there the backbone bandwidth. And you'd need a hell of a RAID subsystem to manage handle writing at 14Tbits/sec sustained.

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    3. Re:Misread title by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I know. But it still gives me an excuse to make the point that storage speeds may well lag behind communications speeds in the near future. You can see it a bit now, since most machines with Gigabit Ethernet would struggle to handle a sustained read or write at one Gigabit. That's no problem of course, since the network should be fast enough to handle all the machines on a segment talking as fast as they can. But it is a new phenomenon, since local storage has been higher bandwidth than remote on every system I've ever used. And it will continue in the future I think, since there's probably no hard limit on the speed you can push bits down a bundle of fibres in the near future - it's always possible to add more fibres, or more wavengths or smarter modulation, whereas hard disk speeds seem to be levelling off.

      And if you're a telco, you can buy some very expensive system to keep those fibres busy, but 99% of home PCs won't be able to store them. Which changes the power balance somewhat.

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    4. Re:Misread title by Wass+Ammattayou · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Tbps" could also be misread as "Tbsp" and therefore refer intead to the unit soon to be used for 3D printing (we wish...).

    5. Re:Misread title by x2A · · Score: 2, Funny

      You use tablespoons as a measurement in 3D printing?

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  4. land speed record by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's still nothing compared to a semi loaded with DVDs traveling at 70mph.

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    1. Re:land speed record by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 4, Funny

      The internet isn't a truck you can't just keep dumping things on it and expect it to go. It's a series of tubes and they are getting filled up!

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    2. Re:land speed record by bcat24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And believe me, the ping times for IP-over-semi SUCK!

    3. Re:land speed record by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... or pigeons carrying hard drives...

    4. Re:land speed record by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The internet isn't a truck you can't just keep dumping things on it and expect it to go. It's a series of tubes and they are getting filled up!

      You mean like the highways get filled up with semis and traffic slows to a crawl? Yeah, tubes aren't like highways at all...
  5. download speeds by KG6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    and yet I'm still downloading at a measly 300 kbs.

    1. Re:download speeds by timeOday · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ignore what you read in the news! - bandwidth is a PRECIOUS, SCARCE resource that we must carefully ration and provision by the byte. That's why the Internet is in grave peril from network neutrality proposals, there won't be any bandwidth left over for our innovative new business models!

  6. Cost by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd like to know what the cost of the required equipment is. We know that hardware has a premium for the newest and fastest and it would be interesting to see what the premium is in this case. Maybe it would be cheaper to run 14 1 Tbps links instead of a single 14 Tbps link. Sure, if I already have the fiber in place, then using it for higher speed would be the way to go. However, if I am in a position where I am about to lay fiber anyway, I don't really care about those costs since I will be paying them anyway.

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  7. You won't be seeing this at home anytime soon by Evets · · Score: 3, Informative

    While impressive, the feat was accomplished over a single optical fiber using proprietary amplifiers not in production. It certainly is innovative, but it is not an indication of speeds you will see in consumer level services. I see these high-bandwidth paradigms being very useful in the medical industry in the near future - especially for things like transferring high quality MRI images from hospital to hospital with very little delay, or in transferring patient ICU data to a centralized monitoring center - which is currently being done, but super-high bandwidth models open up avenues of information that are not currently available - anything from real-time HI-DEF video from the room, to real-time control of in-room instrumentation.

    1. Re:You won't be seeing this at home anytime soon by wfberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While impressive, the feat was accomplished over a single optical fiber using proprietary amplifiers not in production. It certainly is innovative, but it is not an indication of speeds you will see in consumer level services.

      That goes without saying, right? It is, after all, a record. People don't usually turn to the Guinness book of world records for guidance on, say, what a realistic number of hotdogs is to consume within 12 minutes.

      Now of course, greater bandwidth is cool and all, but 14 Tbps is obviously impractical for actual use, even in specialist medical imaging applications -- for the simple reason you couldn't fill up your harddrive (or even RAM) as quick as that!

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    2. Re:You won't be seeing this at home anytime soon by VoidEngineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My title at work is actually 'Radiology Information Systems Manager', and I'm one of the people responsible for sending MRI images from hospital to hospital, handling video streams from telerobotic surgeries, and the like.

      Surprisingly, data demands in the medical environment aren't nearly as high as you might think. We routinely route MRI images from hospital to hospital with infrared and T1 connections. Those MRI images are actually only about 10MB each. We got ourselves a 1Gb/s imaging network at our hospital, and we don't use more than 10% of that bandwidth at any time. A home video camcorder can easily out produce our imaging equipment, in terms of pure data content creation. At best, the large community hospital I work at in NYC (700 beds) has about the same data networking needs as a small or medium sized digital television studio. Granted, at the hospital, we're much more concerned with *quality* of data content rather than *quantity* of data content. All things considered, we're much more concerned with quality of service than bandwidth.

      I'd expect these high bandwidth paradigms to be essential to the telecommunication companies as they need to deal with more users, and more video streams. Notice that it was developed by Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, a company which is much more concerned with bandwidth of major pipes between cities. This will get applications in data trunk lines between major cities, with last mile fiber optics to the hospitals rated in the gigabit speeds.

    3. Re:You won't be seeing this at home anytime soon by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While impressive, the feat was accomplished over a single optical fiber using proprietary amplifiers not in production. It certainly is innovative, but it is not an indication of speeds you will see in consumer level services.

      Pushing 56k through a POTS line was an experiment once.

  8. Hardware by elzurawka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i wonder what kinda of hardware you need to send a burst of 14 TBps? is it comming from that much ram? harddrives? U must have some good hardware to be able to queue up that much data and burst transfer like that.

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  9. Pays to be frugal. by Night+Goat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good thing I didn't buy that eSATA card I was looking at today. 3Gb/second? What a piece of crap!

  10. We're talking about tubes by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the internet, not the interstate.

    1. Re:We're talking about tubes by krisp · · Score: 4, Funny

      but if every vehicle was filled with dvds and hard drives, wouldn't that make the interstate another information super-highway?!

  11. Re:Okay, its about time... by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quote:

    Well, I remember back on my 14.4 modem... those text pages loaded like the wind. I was on top of the world... Then those damned pictures started cropping up on websites. Pictures on the internet? Ha! Then came the 56.6k modem which showed those pictures who were boss. No problems. Oh wait, online gaming?
    File sharing ? Cable and DSL save the day. More than adequate

    Reply:
    I beg to differ. I have [cough] friends that download movi^H^H^H^H^H content from the internet, and some dvd rips^H^H^H^H^H^H^H database files can be larger than 4GB! Even at a good (cheap) DSL line of 1KBPS it still takes quite alot longer to download content than it would take to go to blockbuster^H^H^H^H^H^H^H the office and pick up physical media with the data on it.

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  12. Re:Damn by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Each advancement in technology allows the main internet backbone companies to purchase one very expensive fast pipe and share it between all the customers (ISPs) of a country or state.
    These things need to be thousands of times faster than your home connection because each one will carry thousands of times more data.

    Its no good one single person having all that bandwidth if there is nobody else to talk to at that speed.

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  13. Re:Units other than Libraries of Congress/sec. by istartedi · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I multiply that out, I get 1.990656e+9

    That's about 2 Gbps

    So, you could fit about 7000 of these uncompressed video streams over the 14 Tb/s link, unless I'm screwing up the calculation someplace.

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  14. Time for a Math Lesson. by tempest69 · · Score: 2, Informative
    ok 14 Tbps = 1.7 TBps = 438 DVD's per second (Assuming 4 gig each)

    The distance traversed is 100 miles, which would take 1.4 hours, at 70MPH.

    There are 3600 seconds in an hour.

    This means that per hour a line can move 1.58 million DVD's

    for a 70 MPH trip this adjusts to 2.25 Million DVD's

    or 225,000 (100 disk spindles) Each Spindle Weighs 4Lbs

    leaving 900,000 lbs or 450 tons..

    That would be a semi with 200 cars loaded on it....

    Now How big of a truck are you drivin....?

    Storm

  15. But does it mean... by NCG_Mike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I get a lower ping in Quake? Seriously though, I think half the time it's the servers on the internet that are slow rather than broadband connections. I'm sure this has some real world use, other than publicity, (stock trading) but I can't imagine many companies needed it - except the obvious googles of the world. Backbones are obviously going to be interested but do they shift that volume of data at peak levels?

  16. Convert to standard units please by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many DVD movies per second was this?

    Also, they failed to provide a conversion from terabyte to Libraries of Congress.

    1. Re:Convert to standard units please by Millenniumman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      3500 DVD movies / second .7 LoCs / second

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  17. I love acronyms by necro81 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Our experiment used the carrier suppressed return-to-zero differential quadrature phase shift keying (CSRZ-DQPSK)*1 format and ultra-wide-bandwidth amplifiers.

    Try saying "CSRZ-DQPSK" three times fast! I guess this acronym does serve the purpose of being easier to say than "carrier suppressed return-to-zero differential quadrature phase shift keying," but couldn't they have chosen a snazzy acronym that was hip to say and then worked out what it meant, like NASA?
  18. Re:The old record still stands by Iron+Condor · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) Yes, distance is cruically important in these measurements. There's no points in having gazillions of petabyte data transfer if it can only done from one corner of the lab to the other. Which is why all credible speed-of-information-transfer articles include a number with units of [ (bits / second) * distance].

    2) The record is still held by the transmissions from Voyager II's encounter with Neptune.

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  19. Re:If this test was 30 seconds by flooey · · Score: 2, Funny

    where did they get all those Terabytes to send?

    I'm pretty sure somewhere like that gets them directly from the manufacturer.

  20. Arthur C. Clarke by Rockinsockindune · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Arthur C. Clarke wrote a short story that had the telephone networks becoming self aware when the network became sufficently complex. It's possible I tell you, the telephone networks just don't have the bandwi.......
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    NOTHING TO SEE HERE. MOVE ALONG. /eof

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  21. Ha! That is nothing! by Tamerlan · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of the russian computer trading companies easily topped that. The box with 20 400GB HDDs fell from the shelf 2m high. Total data transmission rate was

    20*4*10^11*8/sqrt(2*2/9.8)~=10^14 bps or 100 Tbps

    As you see if you have enough money to burn you may easily scale that number.

  22. Re:Okay, its about time... by Firehed · · Score: 3, Funny

    1KBPS? How cheap _IS_ your DSL line?

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  23. Re:Time for a Math Lesson. oops correction.. by tempest69 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    or a 70 MPH trip this adjusts to 2.25 Million DVD's or 225,000 (100 disk spindles) Each Spindle Weighs 4Lbs
    I missed by an order of magnitude here... 2.25 M /100 = 22,500 so this moves it down to a 45 ton cargo . Which isnt even close to the heaviest load on the road.

    So while the new line isnt quite nothing compared to a truck, a truck can move more data 100 miles faster than the new link.

    Storm

  24. Re:swallows by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 4, Funny

    African or European hard drives?

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  25. Right question, wrong hardware. by jd · · Score: 2, Informative
    The problem is the switching equiptment. Nobody had built a switch that can go much above 2 terabits per second, making all extra bandwidth useless unless you lob on a whole bunch of extremely fast demultiplexors to split the 14 terabit speeds 8 ways. (Powers of 2 are Good.)


    On the whole, fiber is cheep. Ultra-high-speed multiplexors and demultiplexors are not. A typical bundle of fibers might easily have 128 or 1024 fibers running through it, and the extra quality needed to go from a few terabits to a few tens of terabits won't be significant compared to the cost of running really long fiber in that speed range in the first place.


    The ideal, then, is to run a full bundle from each State to every other State. (ie: 49 lines should be sent from each of the 50 States.) At each end, you plug on an agreed-upon switch at an agreed-upon speed. This would start at 2 terabits/second. Each switch is also connected to a large pool of extremely fast routers. Those routers would then have lines to the routers from each of the other 48 multi-terabit State-to-State lines. All remaining connections from the 49 pools of routers would go to the Internet backbone for that State, any metropoliton networks and any State-financed rural networks.


    As the switches increase in performance, you only have to replace the switches, not the fiber, since it's stipulated at the beginning that you'd go for the highest-grade fiber available. As soon as 14 terabit switches existed, you'd have an effective bandwidth of 686 terabits. (Since you can do multi-path routing, you can distribute that 686 terabits as you like.)


    Wouldn't this be expensive? Sure. However, we've just burned half a trillion dollars for no obvious benefit. Burning another half trillion on providing nuke-resistant, DDoS-proof, meltdown-resistant data infrastructure that would at least serve a provable, verifiable purpose and would eventually reimburse some/all of the costs would seem reasonable enough.

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  26. 100 Gigabit Ethernet, here we come! by khafre · · Score: 3, Informative

    Current routers, like the Cisco CRS-1, use OC-768c/STM-256, which is about 40 Gbit/sec. Right now, there are a couple of camps in the IEEE, ones that want 40 Gbit Ethernet, others that want the factor of 10 increase that Ethernet has normally been associated with. Since there is no 100 Gbit SONET (that I'm aware of at least), these public demonstrations, this one by NTT and another by Lucent, prove that 100 Gbit Ethernet is possible, even for long haul. Some providers like at&t, Yahoo and Google, really need 100 Gbit Ethernet because they produce that much data, or provide 10 Gbit service to customers, and they need to aggregate it somehow.

  27. Re:If this test was 30 seconds by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny
    where did they get all those Terabytes to send?

    1. Start supercomputer

    2. 10 PRINT "Hello, world!"
      20 GOTO 10

    3. Then they just have the video buffer piped over the network
  28. Disputed record by kd3bj · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once threw a box of 120 Gig tapes into a dumpster. I think there were about 200 tapes in the box.
    I admit the distance wasn't far, but the burst rate was 24 TBytes/sec.

  29. Re:Okay, its about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's a shame to see Linux still hasn't managed to implement a functioning "Delete" key.

  30. Future means faster speeds by chrisinsocalif · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someday our kids will look back at us and wonder how the hell we surfed porn so slow.

  31. Re:Okay, its about time... by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's a shame to see Linux still hasn't managed to implement a functioning "Delete" key.
    Backspace, surely.
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  32. Re:Time for a Math Lesson. oops correction.. by SassyDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a truck can move more data 100 miles faster than the new link

    Until you consider loading/unloading time and writing/reading the DVDs, which would add days of latency. I'm assuming that this fiber line has vritually no latency.

  33. Yeah, but... by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...you can watch it much faster!!!

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  34. Not the worlds fastest...Cisco did 8x that. by saridder · · Score: 2, Informative
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