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UK's Biggest Supermarket Challenges Microsoft
An anonymous reader writes "The UK's equivalent of Walmart is taking on Microsoft in the software game. Tesco is famous for it's cheap 'value' food, but it's now offering 'value' alternatives to Microsoft's biggest products. From the article: 'Now, when you traverse the aisles in search of baked beans, sanitary towels and two-for-one packs of raw mince (hamburger), you can grab yourself a copy of Tesco Office (£20) — an alternative to the almost de-facto standard that is Microsoft Office — or Tesco Antivirus (£10), which is designed to keep your PC free of malware.' Tesco apparently 'takes one in every eight pounds spent in the UK'."
Then why don't they just use free alternatives from the internet. Open source or just plain freeware?
Now they can get to work on an antivirus for the food they sell!
'takes one in every eight pounds spent in the UK'.
I hear this figure quoted regularly, but noone ever backs it up with a source; however they must be doing somthing right, they've made £1.1bn in profts in the last six months
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From the article: The software is manufactured by a combination of Panda Software, Filestream, Ability and Software Dialog. I've used the panda software, but haven't heard of the others.
Has anyone been to a tesco and confirmed this? I checked their website and the nearest they had for office http://direct.tesco.com/search/default.aspx?search =office&confirm.x=0&confirm.y=0was office chairs. Google mentions press releases that confirm this, but no one seems to know exactly what the office suite contains, and most importantly I couldn't find any mention of compatability with MS Office. If it *is* compatible with Office, that'd be kind of neat.
Of course, I suspect, like many others, that's it's just repackaged OpenOffice.org, but we'll have to see.
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Having alternatives is nice, and I'm all for breaking MS's near-monopoly in this area, but the big question is about quality: do these products do the job, and do it well? Do they offer analogs to the features that many MS Office users have come to love and depend on? Do they read Office formats?
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who thinks that the vast majority of MS Office purchases (like 95%) are businesses? last time I checked, businesses didn't shop at Walmart or their equivalent when purchasing their software. Now perhaps Joe Random User might buy this stuff, but that won't put a dent in MS sales, other than perhaps the "Student Edition" of Office.
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Tesco here in Britain have Apple iBooks for an amazing £0.03 less than the Apple website price!
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Where do you think Zonk gets all of the "Anonymousy Submitted" stories that he puts up as editor?
From the anonymous coward who claims he submitted this story three days ago?
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Huh? Since when do companies make more money than they know what to do with? The profits are reinvested and/or end up with investors. And since when is it a "bad thing" for a company to turn a profit.
I understand the anti-Wallmart argument where 'the little guy' is driven out of business, but TFA is describing how Tesco undercuts Microsoft and (see 'update' at the bottom) major media outlets. It is acting as if competition between massive multinational, multi-billion dollar companies is 'mean' and 'not fair.'
That, to me, makes no sense. Competition in any marketplace is typically good for the consumers since it keeps prices at a reasonable level, forces companies to innovate, and forces companies to compete for customers!
I wish Tesco plenty of success in their attempt to undercut software in this fashion. If they can use their brand-name to get people to realize that software needn't be so expensive (and moreover to realize that alternatives are viable), this is a net positive.
According to: http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=62 27 the company coopertating with Tesco is FormJet. They'll distribute via http://www.tescosoftware.com/. FormJet has a Website online (a bit difficult to find from their homepage) where the products are listed: http://www.formjetplc.com/500-products.htm. They list an office suite there called "Ability Office".
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The "Ability Office" website is at: http://www.ability.com/sales/products/office.php?
This is not just one of the usual OpenOffice forks.
What sort of person buys their software at a supermarket?
Yeah, I better grab some milk.. Brown eggs. Not white eggs.. A loaf of whole wheat.. Tampons.. Hey! An office suite!
Who are these people?
The office software is called Ability and will just be branded as Tesco. More information about Ability here. The website lists their entire office suite at a cost of $70 (US). The individual packages (Word processing, spreadsheet, database, paint, presentation, photo album) are available for $27.90 each. 20 Pounds = $37 so that's considerable savings. The interface is appears to be a straight clone of Microsoft's office suite. It is able to open and save to Microsoft Office formats, no idea on how well, tho.
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The average person knows more-or-less what an office suite is for (typing letters, right?). They have probably heard or the Microsoft brand. They have definitely heard of the Tesco brand. They are unlikely to have heard of the OpenOffice.org brand, or the StarOffice brand, or the AbiWord brand (or whatever). They will go into a supermarket and see 'Microsoft Office: £200, Tesco Value Office: £20.' They will know that most other Tesco Value products are similar quality (sometimes slightly lower, but not too much) than their branded equivalents, and decide that it's not worth paying an extra £180 for a branded office suite to go with their £200 computer.
The Tesco Value brand used to just be for food, but it's increased a lot recently. I own a Tesco Value toaster; it was a sixth of the price of the one it replaced, and has lasted longer. They also make most other home appliances (washing machines, etc). Typically, they fall into the no-frills-but-functional category.
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Dunno, but if these guys are a Wal-Mart UK equivelant, then I wouldn't want their software anywhere NEAR my computer.
I'd be agreeing with you if not for two things.
1) Most users use the office suite that was bundled with their computer. Since most users buy their computers pre-configured, they already have their office suite needs fulfilled.
2) Most users who aren't savvy enough to download AV software are quite happy to run without it. They have no incentive to blow 10 quid on some fancy program.
I'm not saying that Tesco should be stocking OO and AVG and reaping the increased margins. I'm just saying that anyone who would be interested in a Microsoft alternative is already savvy enough to get OO and AVG on their own. Everyone else will stick with their bundled MS Works suite.
Have you seen that commercial, where the employees are sitting at a meeting and one says to use fedex shipping to save money? Everyone ignores him, the guy sitting at the head of the table says the same thing and everyone agrees. Because he made a hand motion. Next time, make a hand motion and maybe you'll get your story posted =D
As the article says, they're selling Ability Office - see http://www.ability.com/
Ability charge 30 quid for it (the basic version); Tesco selling it en masse for 20 seems credible. That's certainly a lot less than MS Office, but it's not the 20 vs 300 numbers that some people quote - you can get MS Office Basic (word and excel only) for around 145
It's probably not competition for Office in the workplace (where any file incompatibility sends folks into something of a tailspin), but it's solid competition for the abomination that is Works - particularly if Tesco preload it on the large number of (really pretty good quality) Acer PCs and laptops they also sell.
I think this is because the range hasn't actually launched yet. See pre-launch web site here.
Anyway, speaking as someone from the UK who shops at tesco regularly... yep, their website sucks.
Formjet PLC for the software, Formjet owns:
* Panda Software (UK) distributes Panda Software antivirus and security products in the UK.
* Ability Software International distributes a powerful suite of office products.
* FileStream (UK) is involved in applications ranging from the backup of computer resources to highly sophistcated graphics solutions.
* Software Dialog UK is a specialist security reseller to the corporate marketplace.
* South Coast Distribution is an established supplier to the OEM market.
* Ideal Innovations.co.uk is an online marketplace. It services the electronic trading requirements of the Formjet Group and third party vendors.
So I think we can see where this is going, Panda Anti-Virus, and Ability Office 4 branded for Tesco... c'est la vie say the old folks, it just goes to show you never can tell.
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I think "equivalent" in this case means "massive leader in the supermarket industry" in the UK... which they are.
Because the UK media have been telling people "careful about what you click on when go online, there are bad people out there". People don't trust little weird geeky sites which assume knowledgeable users.
...). Hey I don't mind. Internal combustion engines confuse the hell out of me and don't even get me started on different washing cycles on the washing machines... technology eh?!
It's way confusing out there for non-geeks. It took me a long time to explain to my dad the difference between "being online" and "the web" (...the blue E button isn't the internet, dad, it's a program you can see some of the internet with, yes I know it's weird it's called Internet Explorer but it's not exploring all the internet
Lots of people trust the biggest supermarket in the country, it sells them food they trust, clothes they trust, and they sell computers these days. So they'll trust "Tesco software".
Yes, mince is called hamburger in the US. Kind of like ground pork in the UK is usually called sausage meat even though it can be used for more than just sausages. So the summary was translating for the USians as mince doesn't really mean much as a noun here.
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Ability Software (makers of the office suite) has a web site with a comparison to MS Office and screen shots here:
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http://www.ability.com/sales/products/abvsms_tech
Huh? Apache is a weberver. Windows Server is an OS. I could understand, "They run Windows Server. Why not use Linux?" Or, "Their website is on IIS. They don't use Apache."
But you're saying, they drive a Volvo. Why not wear blue jeans?
They're people who buy TVs, clothes, insurance (house, car and pet), credit cards, furniture, DVD players, internet access, mobile phones (Tesco are also an MVNO) and pretty much everything under the sun from a supermarket such as Tesco.
I'm actually quite happy to see this happen. For Windows users, there's a triumvirate of Microsoft (OS, apps), Symantec ('security') and PC World (for the purchases). For the layman computer user, It's always the same product, bought from the same places.
This model has existed (as far as I know, commenting just on the UK, since that's where I live) since the beginning of the current era of computer use. The potential for Tesco to disrupt this most certainly exists. Tesco have a good track record - profit has risen from £1bn/year to £2.2bn/year in just a few years on top of well-executed moves into offering diverse ranges and expanding abroad. This will raise some eyebrows at Redmond and Wherever-the-hell-Symantec-are-based. As I noted above, every 'walk-in' PC store here offers the same old stuff no matter what. Tesco will be exposing competing products in a way that the retail PC sector hasn't yet seen (over here, at least).
Sure, it's not Open Source, and the software may not even be all that good. But I can see it selling in large numbers.
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Windows yes, Office not usually. But that's the same in the US - you get Works if you're "lucky" but I've never seen Office as anything but an extra-cost option for consumer PCs.
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They only found out that they had to buy Office as an additional component when they were unable to find it on their new PC and asked someone else for help. A friend probably installed a copy of Office 97 for them 5 years ago, and they haven't thought about it since. When the cost of a computer is a week's wages you're unlikely to want to spend another 2/3 as much again "just for some software", and Tesco have priced these offerings perfectly.
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> Who are these people?
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Yep, Tesco are a Public Limited Company(PLC) meaning their shares are traded on the open stockmarket.
As for their behaviour, they seem no better/worse than anyone else. More expensive than Asda (Walmart) and cheaper than their main competitor (Sainsburys) they sell groceries and, in their bigger stores, clothing and domestic goods. As you'd imagine, made in China is the order of the day and as with most supermarkets, wages are kept as low as possible to keep prices down. Aside from that, I can't say that much negative PR leaks out although I seem to remember they cut Sunday pay rates for staff on the grounds that Sunday is no different to any other day.
Their value range is the usual no-frills stuff, plain packaging, basic stuff.
As for software I can't wait for Tescux, not so much through some zealous desire to plug Linux but just to see the irritating characters from their TV ads go through the indignity of having to dress as Penguins.
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Wal-Mart has made their money in the grocery business in part by offering a purposely limited selection in order to drive down their costs. The last time I was in one I tried to find a mango and was met with both the absence of any mangos and widespread disbelief among the staff that such a thing as a mango even existed, which is probably part of the ploy to get people to accept the hobbled selection.
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They've made 12,599.00 MUSD in profit in FY06.
They're just as bad as Microsoft. They bought up a large section of London's Chinatown, under the guise of creating a massive supermarket in the centre. The shops were sold, their chinese tenants evicted, and then the shops were re-opened with much higher rent (which was far higher than could be paid by the current tenants), causing half of Chinatown to stop being Chinese. Fuck Tesco.
On a related note just how good/bad is Ability Office that Tesco are repackaging? Panda AV is ok, but does Ability (for example) read Microsoft Office files?
For the average non-business user, who cares? Provided you can write a letter to aunt flo then it's good enough.
is that alternative or Alternative? The software they are distributing is not that interesting in itself, nor foss, so I guess you meant little 'a'.
A much cooler reason that this is cool is that any potential threat to MS's monopoly on the home office forces MS to innovate to stay in the competition.
I'm of the opinion though that MS Office is already an extremely good product, I just don't find the price attractive.
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But for food, walmart has the highest quality produce and the largest selection of packaged goods of any store within 20 miles, and it's the closest non-gas-station food source to where I live.
What is interesting is that Walmart thrives on knocking down less competitive stores and becoming the only one in a twenty mile radius. They completely avoid more urban ares because they can't compete. I've been to the nearest Walmart. If their produce is of the same quality as the one near you, and that is your best option, I truly pity you. I'm partial to whole foods whose quality is leaps and bounds beyond Walmart, for a miniscule amount more.
Their lawn chairs (and such) are the highest quality I can buy within around 50 miles, excepting the high-end places I can't afford where they would cost more than ten times as much.
The Walmart business model is to partner with or buy people with medium quality products, or a well respected brand name. They order as much from that company as all their other customers combined, forcing that company to build or buy new production facilities, often overseas. Then, once that company has loans to pay off on those facilities, they demand they lower their prices, every year running. At this point manufacturers are trapped. They can take a huge loss and try to get rid of their new facilities, or lower quality. Almost all of them lower their quality and cut corners. Fire the guys who write the instructions, we can just ship instructions for a model we made 5 years ago. Buy cheaper parts and forget about quality assurance. In some cases Walmart has recommended to companies with profitable, respected brands that they should just slap their name on really cheap, low quality imports. In any case, the result is quality that drops constantly for each product until it is cheap crap.
I know. I had a summer job assembling lawn mowers and the like for them. It was not unusual to need three sets of parts for a single machine, simply to get enough parts properly machined enough to actually hold together. For the most part, everything they sell is junk, not just clothes. I don't shop their out of pure self-interest. Luckily, I now live somewhere where I have a number of reasonable alternatives
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That is a damn fine idea. Sourceforge is a terrifying experience for even half-hardy users you've never been there. When I recently helped a friend install Inkscape, she ask "Why's it listing all these different countries, where do I click?" with mild panic. She has a PhD in engineering - she's just not familiar with open-source.
A simple site, aimed at your gran with her first computer, listing one package for each main task. Well, maybe three packages, but make it absolutely clear that they all work, and do the same thing. I like the firefox/thunderbird download sites that guess what OS you're using - fewer options is good here. Maybe something like freedesktop.org, but cross platform (i.e. you only get listed if you work on all of Linux/Mac/Windows).
BTW it appears on just about everything: "Tesco: Every little helps". It's not always the most appropriate little motto. I once saw a poster in a store window. Large type:
THIS STORE WILL BE
CLOSED FOR 3 WEEKS
STARTING 10/10/1998
Tesco
every little helps
So how does that help exactly?
To be fair the tax treatment of dividends in the US was quite poor and encourage companies to avoid providing dividends.
Bingo. The tax structure in the U.S. favors gains in the share price over dividends, so as an investor, I would prefer that a company reinvest its profits (thereby hopefully raising the share price later) than give me the profit as a dividend, so that the government can come and screw me for most of it. Prior to 2003, there were situations you could get into where the tax rate on dividends could be twice that of capital gains. It's been ameliorated somewhat by the Tax Act of '03, but I think it's still somewhat more advantageous to have a capital gain than a dividend in the same dollar amount. (And even if it's not, many investors think that it is, which has the same effect.)
If you treated dividends the same way as capital gains are now -- or better yet, if you just treated all of them like simple income -- you would probably see investors demand different things from the companies that they hold, and the companies would respond eventually.
The real question is how do you want to encourage companies to be? Do you want to encourage reinvestment (and large-scale infrastructure development), or do you want to favor leaner "cash cow" corporations, which make a profit and turn it over to the investors more directly? I don't think that either route is clearly superior universally.
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Really, I know this sounds silly, but justify three choices. If you're going to offer people choices, and you want them to go to your site/ shop and pick one of them, then make it clear what differentiates the three. Otherwise people will choose the first one. Many people just want to type a letter, check the football scores on the web and buy something on ebay, email their friend. They don't give a damn that there are a 100 word processors/web browsers/mail clients out there.
Fight back. Buy from companies that resist Walmart.
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"Tesco Value" is their cheapo in-house brand (they also do plain Tesco brand stuff).
They do very nice cheese but I prefer Sainsburys' sausages.
The name Tesco comes from the founder's wife - Tessa Cohen.
They also are told not to download lots of stuff online and be wary of software being offered for free. People don't expect quality software to come without a price tag and are suspicious of free office programs and free operating systems, thinkng they are loaded with spyware or unsecure in some other way.
Maybe what OSS needs to do is ironically enough, start charging people (even if it's just ten bucks) pool resources and lease some space on a grocery store display if they want to increase marketshare, rather than directing people to a free download.
Tesco DO have a rosier image than Wal-Mart in this country, but if anything they are in a more powerful position ; they hold a whopping 31% of the grocery market, something that Wal-Mart can only consider a wet dream, even in it's home country where it commands a "mere" 19% of the market. It is commonly said that of every £7 spent in the UK, one of them is spent in Tesco.
As great as OOo is, I can't see an organization that commercially powerful choosing to put it on their shelves as a product, as the competition can undercut them every time (download the same software for zero marginal cost).
Ability must be thanking their lucky stars though.
I hope so.
Their are using their strong market position in order to become a monopoly.
I will be redundant here, but I think it is necessary.
In the US there are places where you can drive for a couple of hours (hello Texas) and you will not find much constructed along the way.
In the UK you can drive for the same period and 95% of the time you are in view of fully populated areas.
That is why this shameless monopolical speculation is worng, ammoral and pehaprs even illegal.
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