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HOWTO Commit Corporate Espionage

bart_scriv writes "Worried about who might be spying at your company? Businessweek looks at the latest in espionage gadgets and technology in response to the recent HP boardroom scandal. The article looks at devices designed for counter-espionage, which range from mundane confidential email services to sophisticated camera and listening-device detectors. '...for every method of spying, there's a counteroffensive. One of them is the eavesdropping protection kit, manufactured by Dynasound in Norcross, Ga. To secure a room in an office building, devices are placed on ceiling plenums, floors, HVAC ducts, doors, walls or windows — basically anywhere voices can travel.'"

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  1. Yeah, that'll work by Aliencow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WHO GOES THERE? Another protection: vanishing e-mail. Called VaporStream, the system lets people send e-mails that cannot be tracked, copied, forwarded, or printed--leaving no trail. Users pay $39.99 a year to subscribe to the service and must log into the site every time they want to send a confidential e-mail. Wow, I'm sure nobody will ever find a way to print it out or take a screenshot of it.

    1. Re:Yeah, that'll work by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how can we be sure this service isn't an NSA honeypot?

    2. Re:Yeah, that'll work by owlnation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but since the major preoccupations of anyone who works in Corporatia are, "covering your ass" and "passing the buck", I don't think that anyone will have any use for email you can't store and use as a future weapon against one of your backstabbing brown-nosing colleagues.

  2. Get smart phone. by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do these guys also sell a cell phone built into a shoe, go to with the cone of silence?

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  3. Great lengths at great heights by ian_mackereth · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I had occasion to visit the office of a major oil company CEO in Melbourne (Australia) a few years ago, while it was being fitted out.

    Along with the obvious requisites like the bedroom and the seperate airconditioning (he was the only person in the building allowed to smoke!), the windows were double-glazed and had a white-noise generator in between the panes to foil any sneaky lasers from other oil companies' CBD high-rises!

    I was at first bemused at the expense of it all, but then I thought about the millions he'd get as salary, and the hundreds of millions affected by the decisions made in that office, and thought better of it...

    1. Re:Great lengths at great heights by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fool. Windows can't stop ninjas.

    2. Re:Great lengths at great heights by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who's the fool? Ninjas are stopped just fine with Windows. It's pirates that Windows can't stop.

    3. Re:Great lengths at great heights by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 3, Funny

      Posts like that make me wish mod points could go to eleven.

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    4. Re:Great lengths at great heights by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and every bit of it thwarted easily in a low tech way....

      Find a IT guy that is disgruntled, (not hard at any company) and either pay him for a copy ofthe CEO's laptop contents or other tidbits.

      $10,000.00 cash waved in front of a IT guy that is training his indian outsourced replacement or hearing of the cost cutting changes that management is goign to aim for would be all over that low risk bit of work.

      Hell I bet you could get entire copies of the accounting database for the right amount of money.

      All you need is someone on the inside being treated poorly and you have your circumvention to all the security.

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    5. Re:Great lengths at great heights by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, my guess is that the white noise generator is practically worthless between the panes. The first pane will reflect a certain percentage of the laser, and the second pane will reflect another percentage of the laser. Subtract the two reflected signals, adjusting for the distance between the panes and the reflectance percentages, and the result will be the difference between sound on the inside and outside of the window minus the white noise. What might actually work is to attach a separate white noise generator to each plane to introduce echoes and interference that would be more difficult to filter out. In the end, given enough lasers and processing power my guess is that any white noise generation could be defeated. The trick is to always sample the white noise as close as possible to the generator, before it has been distorted, and then cancel it out at the point where the strongest "hidden" signal is available, but IANAS (I am not a spy).

  4. Serve them right by tygerstripes · · Score: 5, Funny

    God knows I don't get anything out of our meetings, so how some industrial spy is supposed to is beyond me. Serve them right if they absorb non-productivity osmotically...

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  5. Fixed 40 Years Ago by dankstick · · Score: 5, Funny
  6. Illegal in the US and many other countries by TrueJim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note that corporate espionage for the purpose of uncovering Trade Secrets is generally illegal in the U.S. That's why companies mark documents as "proprietary," for instance; doing so identifies the document as something that the company considers a trade secret. If you use corporate espionage techniques to obtain such a document (i.e., if the company doesn't exercise due diligence in making sure that such documents aren't publicly disclosed) then relevant Trade Secret laws would apply.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret

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  7. assuming it's already in CVS by castlec · · Score: 4, Funny

    cvs commit -m "added more theft options." corporate_espionage.c

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  8. But I want to know where to sell the info!! by neo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure, I've collected all this great data, but now how to I find a buyer? Do I just walk up to the competition's CEO and say "Hey, I got the goods on company XYZ, how much is that worth to you?" Do I take out an ad in the paper... or 2600? I need real answers.

    Seriously. I want this to be my full time job, but this article doesn't tell you shite.

    1. Re:But I want to know where to sell the info!! by frdmfghtr · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sure, I've collected all this great data, but now how to I find a buyer? Do I just walk up to the competition's CEO and say "Hey, I got the goods on company XYZ, how much is that worth to you?"


      You could do something like that...

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2006/07/05/AR2006070501717.html
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  9. Trade Secrets by Sensi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sometimes it's as easy as walking by to get all the info you need.

    http://flickr.com/photos/reboof/259086845/

  10. Well, that does it. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you, Slashdot, for putting up a page with this title for me to read over the company's network. I was getting ready to be fired soon anyhow.

    1. Re:Well, that does it. by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you think that's bad, how do you think your employer feels when they see you reading about Uranus...

      Note: Ha-ha! Didn't expect a Uranus joke in an article on corporate espionage, did you?!?

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    2. Re:Well, that does it. by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny
      Ha-ha! Didn't expect a Uranus joke in an article on corporate espionage, did you?!?
      The person reading this over your shoulder is a complete fuckwit who enjoys wearing his wife's panties on his head while masturbating to horse porn videos and smoking crack cocaine.

      Ha-ha!

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  11. It's Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have access to the network racks it's easier than you might think. Plug a microphone into an empty network socket, a patch lead from the microphone socket to a socket in your office, and an amplifier plugs into the wall socket in your office. Boardroom meetings were bugged like this for six years by a friend of mine and nobody noticed a thing.

    Bug sweeps might not find anything because no RF is emitted.

  12. Re:If you comply you should have nothing to hide by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you aren't doing anything evil why do you need secrecy (or privacy)?

    Because I don't like to be spied on. The thought of people going through my personal files or even listening in on my private conversations creeps me out. I also don't like to use public restrooms with the stall door open, and I don't live in a completely transparent house.

    If I'm a business, I want privacy because I don't want my competitors learning information about my future plans or strategies that they could use to their advantage. If I have a product that I've spent billions researching and developing, I don't want my competitor to steal it and start selling it before I do.

  13. Re:If you comply you should have nothing to hide by aplusjimages · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you aren't doing anything evil why do you need secrecy (or privacy)?

    The government always follows this saying with "Do as I say not as we do." BTW Nice sig.

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  14. White Noise Generator ... $6,000 and up ... WTF?!? by user1003 · · Score: 2, Informative

    $6000 and up for a white noise generator? WTF?? Anyone with basic electronics skills can build one with parts that will cost about $10. Anyone with basic coding skills can code one for free in about 10 min.

    Am I getting something wrong here, or did corporate greed just get worse?

  15. Old toys by TrueKonrads · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of the toys mentioned in article are pretty lame and sucky. Granted, for the PI or Spy that buys everything off-the-shelf, the counter-surveilance mentioned works, but otherwise it sucks, here's why (pont by point)

    White-noise generators assume that You have no access to the room or that it is impossible to plant a small piece on the person. Say, bump in "accidentally" into the CEO in question and place a 5 square milimeter chip. It will have an internal clock and mic. Once the CEO is out in fresh air, it will transmit the data back in one encrypted burst and destroy the information it had.

    Pretty much the same applies for cameras. One, you assume they are broadcasting within some pre-defined spectrum and do so all the time. Again, do a remote on/off or encrypted packet burst and such suverlance mechanisms fail. Besides, with advent of WiFi, if your super agent picks up emissions in 2.4Ghz range, he'll assume it's wifi and let it rest. Also, you can sramble the transmission, do a frequeny hop and bob knows what else.

    About that phone-line tap: Do we live in dark ages? Nobody has analogue phones and taps that feed off phone current.You can't detect it over ISDN lines (most offices) and it deosn't do anything for cell networks.

    No comments on vapourstream :)

    I have to admit, that the laser window snooping is the most effective in the list, as it is probably the easiest method and most reliable. For nice security, go low-tech : Have a friendly chat near a cooler (no windows), in a bath-house (most devices choke on humid air, transmission also would suck) or in a pool or sea (waves splashing, children, loud music).

    Besides, the entire chain of communications should be scure, aka TEMPEST approach - if once bit of wire is not tempest - entire chain is invalid. If one of the two persons in conversation, repeats what he heard over dinner table with his wife - what's the point?
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    1. Re:Old toys by drauh · · Score: 2, Funny

      you've forgotten the Cone of Silence.

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  16. Interestingly by k2r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the US / NSA has been proven to use echelon for industrial espionage in other countries eg. on Enercon in Germany: www.europarl.eutopa.eu, search for "Enercon" . It's quite difficult to find anything in English on this, but there's a lot of stuff in German about this case.

    k2r

  17. Re:Best Device USB thumbdrive by z0idberg · · Score: 2, Informative

    That has a low-tech solution. Do what my (very large) company does and have Windows NT as the standard desktop. No USB support. Shithouse when you need to run any software made this century but hey! no USB support!

  18. Privacy Lost by Stupidfat · · Score: 2, Funny

    In a related story, it was found in a co-relation study that there was a relationship between privacy advocation and parental status. It was found that parents with even a single child over the age of 6 months have learned to give less than a shit about privacy.

  19. Gadgets and HP Scandal by Narcogen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What does one have to do with the other? The HP scandal revolves around a leak at the very top-- a member of the board of directors who supplied inside information directly to journalists. What the heck do all these amateurish gadgets have to do with anything? And how is being aware of them or being able to protect oneself from them of any value when one of your own board members is giving information to the press? There's no technological silver bullet for that kind of problem. Trying to connect these two subjects is just silly.

  20. Low Tech and Cheap by thorkyl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go to a garage sale and buy a TV put it on channel 13 with no antenna
        White noise generator

    Defeat laser listener
        Place radio on window sill with sub woofer pointed at glass

    Stop all eaves dropping
        don't talk us a #2 pencil and legal pad
          Shred the pad then burn the shredded paper then put the ashes in a bucket of water

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  21. Re:If you comply you should have nothing to hide by GWBasic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you aren't doing anything evil why do you need secrecy (or privacy)?

    I'm hoping your questions is rhetorical. Let me give you a few examples:

    • Richard Nixon bugged John Lennon because he was a political opponent.
    • Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was on the CIA's watch list.
    • Illegal != evil. There are illegal activities in the USA that aren't evil. In order to avoid debate, I'll point to the past example of alcohol prohibition. Back in the 1920s, it was illegal to call up your buddy to sample his latest brew, although not evil.
    • I don't want my bank account information in any database that isn't mine.
    • Some people would prefer to keep their phone sex conversations private.