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MySpace Organizes Sudan Fundraiser

tanman writes to tell us CNN is reporting that MySpace is sponsoring a series of 20 concerts as an effort to raise awareness about the humanitarian relief efforts in Sudan. From the article: "The concerts will take place October 21. Artists include TV on the Radio in Philadelphia, Alice in Chains in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Ziggy Marley in Medford, Oregon, Citizen Cope in Seattle, Gov't Mule in Spokane, Washington, and Insane Clown Posse in St. Petersburg, Florida."

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  1. I only hope by holdenholden · · Score: 4, Funny

    I only hope that the concerts will not be broadcast from the profiles of 400 million users simultaneously.

    1. Re:I only hope by bblboy54 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damnit! We better break out the lottery balls and round up the horses.... If nothing else clogs the tubes, that will!

  2. Fox? by eurleif · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Couldn't Fox (MySpace's owner) raise a lot more awareness with their news network than they could with concerts?

  3. ICP by tyleroar · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the ICP fans I know are huge fans care very deeply about humanitarian relief efforts in Sudan. (Oh shit, is that funny because ICP fans don't care about that, or because there are no ICP fans?)

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  4. Re:For those of us who aren't geography geniuses.. by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, Sudan exists in that giant blind spot the developed world seems to have south of Europe and west of the Middle East. Sure, we have these benefits which do some good, but meanwhile the governments of the most powerful and wealthy nations in the world are willing to do nothing more than prop up dictatorial regimes by lending them money their countrymen will never be able to repay, while trying to decide what is the least amount of aid they can get away with while still looking like they care.

    The way the west has dealt with Africa since pretty much the beginning of time is shameful, and it doesn't look like it's going to improve any time soon.

  5. 1994 called by BeeBeard · · Score: 4, Funny

    It wants its music back. But keep that Insane Clown Posse CD. 1994 said you could just keep that.

  6. Great. by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So now I can hear from every teenager out there about how important things are in Sudan. And how much it means to them personally. "Hey, put this in your profile if you care about the Sudan cause! But don't forget to comment up. Because it means so much to me." Puke.

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    1. Re:Great. by rm999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I really hate it when kids care about world matters and politics.

      I bet you you'd be just as dissapointed if those same teens didn't care at all.

    2. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Look at how many people care about what is happening in Palestine? There are marches and protests all around the world, with TONS of coverage. Now compare the plight of the average Palestinian versus the average Sudanese refugee at the hands of the janjaweed militias. Palestinians are effectively living like kings in comparison, Darfur has 100x as many dead from killings in the past year as in the past 50 years in Palestine, over 10x as many refugees pushed out of Sudan compared to Palestine. Sudanese people are living in the shittiest conditions you could imagine in refugee camps, being routinely raped, murdered, brutalized in many other ways and PRACTICALLY NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM!.


      It's super trendy to care about Palestinian rights, while the world turns a blind eye to a whole peoples living in far worse conditions, suffering far greater terrors with far FAR less media coverage, and very few people caring.


      It's sad how right wingers claim to care about the poor Iraqis terrorized under Saddam, the left wingers claim to care about poor Palestinians terrorized by Israel, but not one peep from either of these crowds about Sudanese being routinely killed, raped, brutalized by the Janjaweed.

  7. Wouldn't it be more appropriate if... by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...MySpace did a series of benefit concerts for children lured by sexual predators over the Internet, given that they seem to facilitate it more than anyone these days?

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  8. Marketing by elucido · · Score: 3, Informative

    How much money will actually make it to the Sudan?

    I don't see how having a concert or two is in any way related to solving real world problems. What? You going to party your way to a better environment?

    This is a perfect way to sell tickets and raise profits. It will be like Live8.

  9. Re:Insane Clown Posse by riff420 · · Score: 2, Funny

    uhh, armor? i can't imagine that clown makeup has an armor rating above 0.

  10. Doesn't Matter by PWill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MySpace still sucks. This is just like the crap that WalMart and the tobacco do. They do a few nice things, and then publicize the hell out of them, to make them look better. I bet they spend more money publicizing the event than they actually donate...

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  11. Let me rephrase this for you by BearRanger · · Score: 4, Informative
    The way the west has dealt with Africa since pretty much the beginning of time is shameful, and it doesn't look like it's going to improve any time soon.

    The way *Africans* have dealt with Africa is shameful. Sure, we can blame colonialism for many of Africa's problems, but we're more than 40 years on from the last of Europe's colonial possessions. At some point the Africans themselves have to reject corruption, violence and tribalism and begin to work cooperatively for a better life for themselves. No amount of charity on the part of the west can help them with this.

    (And yes, I know Africa is a continent and that not all African countries are in this predicament. Still, why have Europe's former Asian colonies done so much better?)

    1. Re:Let me rephrase this for you by xoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Still, why have Europe's former Asian colonies done so much better?

      I would say because they are different sorts of colonies. Our Asian possessions tended to be fairly organised nation states before we got there, and our colonialism was more about the control of trade and overseeing the local administration than the wholesale resource stripping we indulged in in Africa. That's not to say that we didn't rip the locals off for what we could, we just couldn't get away with as much as we could in Africa. In Asia therefore we allowed stored wealth to build up: we couldn't treat the people simply as machinery to extract raw materials as we did in Africa (the Belgian Congo being the most notorious example). When the empires were gone therefore there was an economy still running. In Africa we extracted it all and stuck the cash back home, where our no-longer-subjects wcouldn't get their hands on it.

      In Africa we imposed nations and borders on the local tribes (sometime squishing antagonists into a single state, sometimes cutting tribes in two) and administered directly. Under the wonderful White Man's Burden we basically gave ourselves largesse to treat the locals as we wanted as we were civilising them along the way.

      As to the period of time between decolonisation and now: actually it's just over 26 years since the last European decolonisation (Zimbabwe). The peak year was 1960, which is more than 40 years ago, but there are plenty of examples of decolonisation leading up to the late 70s. I think the point you're making is that forty years should be plenty time to get your nation up and running. I would have thought the experience of the United States, which took nearly 100 years to settle its internal politics and free a sizeable percentage of its population would have shown that politics runs a bit slower than expectations.

  12. MySpace needs the PR. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, but that assumes that the point is to actually do something in Sudan, and not improve the tarnished image of the online service that they forked out a bunch of dough for, and are currently burdened with. It's a little bit of a Hail Mary, but hey, when you've got a web site that most people only know of because they've seen it on the news in the same sentence with "pedophile," you can't really go wrong.

    Why would News Corp give a damn about people in Sudan? Here's a hint: they don't.

    The only reason they're raising money for people in Sudan is that it's the least-offensive cause some focus group could come up with. Right now, MySpace needs the most heart-warming, family-friendly but not totally-unhip image resuscitation that money can buy.

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    1. Re:MySpace needs the PR. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the news in the UK (not all owned by the same guy who owns Fox and The sun) Youtube and Myspace is the new poster child of the internet. Very rarely does a day go by when youtube is not mentioned on something or Myspace is mentioned. It's even got to the point where live quiz shows have hosts giving out their Myspace URLs and giving away free gifts to random people on them.

      While in the US it's "kekeke pedos" here in the UK it has a positive image and is doing "good things"

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    2. Re:MySpace needs the PR. by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While most of what you speek is probably true, the Fox news channels have been talking about the sudan problems, releif efferts, and possible military actions for a while now. It gets mixed in with all the other problems in that continental area over the last 30 or so years.

      The problems seem to be with releif organizations wanting the UN to actualy do something about it. This conflicts with the UN's current agenda of "bitch about yet another US led war" or "something the US has done to destroy the world" or sit around obstructing plans of action while terroist friendly and hostile third world countries get one of the most devestatingly capable military weapons availible or trying to line the pockets of companies associated with the leaders of the UN. Of course, if the UN was concerned about the area(which they should be), they would just send a letter or 400 letters declaring how upset the world comunity are. So it isn't like it would matter too much.

      I say the best efforts to help in that area might be a military action by one of the worlds leading super powers. If that isn't possible for whatever reasons, the money for food and cloathing/shelter should go to supporting a private army of mercenaries dedicated to swift insertion actions againt the controling government who is allowing it and exiting the country. Add this to measures to take out thier air capabilities and command centers. If they retaliate by stepping up the violence, take it a step further and set up a fortified perimitor around the refuge camps, arm and train the refugies and release them to defend themselves. Keep them as part of the private army and pay them with the free food and supplies intended for them in the first place.

      It sounds harsh but then so does making sure a person had a full meal before they got killed, raped, mutilated, tortured and anything else hapening.

  13. Not this again by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I already gave all my money to some e-mail dude in Africa who promised to pay me back once I filled out some paper-work for him. He never did.

  14. Sudanly - Billy Ocean by marko123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to think Darfur was just a fairy tale
    Until that genocide until that first smile
    But if I had to do it all again I wouldn't change a thing
    Cause this war is everlasting

    Sudanly "gangaweed" has new meaning to me
    There's beauty up above and things we never take notice of
    You wake up Sudanly you're in poverty

    Girl you're everthing a man could rape and more
    One thousand words are not enough to say what I feel inside
    Holding dismembered hands as we walk along the shore
    Never felt like this before now you're dying in Darfur

    Each day I pray this love affair would last forever
    There's beauty up above and things you never take notice of
    You wake and Sudanly you're at war

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  15. What needs to happen... by JoeLinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I too, concur that this is a tragedy of epic proportions, but, I think, is being ignored by both sides of the aisle for political reasons.

    The Right, unfortunately, knows that our military cannot support serious actions to halt the genocide that is happening. As typically strong supporters of our military, they don't want to see the military face losses on top of what they are incurring in Iraq. Such an act could quickly become a political lightening rod.

    In order for the Left to support such an action, they would have to support invading a sovereign nation whose official ties to terrorism are only hints and whispers, and without official UN approval, which is exactly their protest against the Iraq Invasion. Even with knowledge that the Iraqi government was killing their own citizens, The Left opposed invasion. To suddenly support a Darfur excursion would end up making them look like extreme hypocrites.

    Also, the lesson we learned from Vietnam is that in order to win the war, we would have to wage war on the "tail" side of the agressors, drawing their front-line troops away to defend their home turf. That turns in a CQB (Close-Quarter Battle), which inflicts heavy losses on an invading force. Or we carpet bomb the mostly muslim north, allowing for the (pardon me for saying this) anti-US Muslim propaganda machine to run at full tilt again.

    Remember, these conquering forces have many 10-year-old boys with AK-47s. All you have to do is take away the gun, and suddenly, "THE UNITED STATES MILITARY IS KILLING MUSLIM CHILDREN" shows up on CNN.

    Then there will be protests at a University, but that's ok.

    If I might suggest a situation for history to repeat itself, I propose Kent State.

    I support evacuation. The issue I see is that any provisions sent to the region would just as likely end up feeding conquering Janjaweed forces as hungry Christians.

    After evacuation, our forces could carpet bomb at will, knowing that any movement in the area was hostile invaders.

    In my opinion, the Sudanese Government is attempting genocide. The ironic part is that it is mostly African (Read: Black) population that is bearing the brunt of this, and the Arab population is causing it. I think this is a problem of politically correct crisis. You can't support one side without appearing biased against the other. No politician will touch it, so no action will happen.

    Which is truly unfortunate.

    Of course, there is a solution to all of this, and I think it should be widely deployed after evacuation:

    But, I wonder how the people who were opposed to the Iraqi Invasion are going to react. Are they going to admit that invading Iraq for the reasons stated were acceptable after all, or simply wait for the UN to draft up a strongly worded letter to the Sudanese government?

    Joe

    1. Re:What needs to happen... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >...admit that invading Iraq for the reasons stated were acceptable after all,

      Humanitarian assistance was not one of the reasons stated. Nor was Saddam's ghastly human rights record a reason for the invasion: he was just as bad back at the time of the handshake.

      >Then there will be protests at a University, but that's ok.

      >If I might suggest a situation for history to repeat itself, I propose Kent State.

      The people who moderated this up may be unfamiliar with the event he is proposing to repeat. In 1970 the National Guard opened fire on students at Kent State. Not "opened fire on protestors", because they killed and wounded people who were nowhere near the protest. William Schroeder's entrance wound was in the lower back, and his exit wound was in the upper body. This is because he was lying on his face when he was shot, having hit the dirt as he'd been trained to in the ROTC.

    2. Re:What needs to happen... by Stalyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off it should be noted that the majority of victims in Darfur are Muslim and this is a case of Arab vs. African violence.

      The US doesn't want to send troops because their soldiers would just end up becoming the targets. So instead of pacifying the situation it would only become worse (see Somalia 1993). The UN had promised 20,000 troops in the area but Sudan openly objected and declared that such a force would be seen as invaders. The UN then backed down with the hope the AU would increase its forces and extend its stay.

      As far as your argument that the "Left" would appear as hypocrites for a supporting an excursion into Darfur because they opposed the invasion of Iraq, I don't understand your line of thought. Darfur and Iraq appear to be two very different situations.

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  16. We can do better by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Want to listen to better music and still help the people of Sudan? Check out the Genocide in Sudan compilation. All proceeds go to UNICEF and The UN Refugee Agency. Or you could donate directly to UNICEF, the UN Refugee Agency, or the UN world food programme

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  17. Next year: Murdoch Family Bake Sale by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well yeah -- I mean, if they really wanted to send money to Sudan, you'd think that one of the brain surgeons there at News Corp would realize that it's a little ridiculous for a giant multinational corporation with $25 billion in revenue to sponsor a fucking fund raiser, in order to get regular folks to send in a couple of bucks here and there, as if they were the Pigs Knuckle, Arkansas Rotary Club ... if the goal of the whole process was "let's send money to Sudan," Rupert Murdoch could probably just cut a check out of his petty cash fund and be done with it.

    As they are not doing that and are conducting a fund raiser, however ironic, I think it's safe to assume that the ultimate goal of the process is not, in fact, sending money to Sudan.

    As to what the real motive might be, I'll leave that up to you to consider.

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  18. If it were the other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is, if it were the Christians killing the Muslims in Sudan, there would be no such fundraiser. Shame.

  19. Makes perfect sense. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While in the US it's "kekeke pedos" here in the UK it has a positive image and is doing "good things"

    Explaining why this "fund raiser" is being conducted almost exclusively in the U.S. (It would be exclusive, except for a show in Toronto.)

    From TFA:
    The concerts will take place October 21. Artists include TV on the Radio in Philadelphia, Alice in Chains in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Ziggy Marley in Medford, Oregon, Citizen Cope in Seattle, Gov't Mule in Spokane, Washington, and Insane Clown Posse in St. Petersburg, Florida.

    Other concerts will take place in Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco, California; Melbourne, Florida; Atlanta; Louisville, Kentucky; St. Paul, Minnesota; Reno, Nevada; Baltimore; Asheville, North Carolina; Charleston, South Carolina; Milwaukee; and Washington, D.C.

    A Canadian show will take place in Toronto.
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  20. MySpace's Response... by thesimplicity · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Is the Sudan a two-door or four-door, and does it have a dock for my iPod?"

  21. Re:Every little bit helps by chill · · Score: 2, Informative

    African Union, a regional force made up of troops from different African nations. The theory is "locals" would be more palatable than former "colonials". They already have a small number of troops in Sudan to help police the issue. However, they have been trying to increase this number but have been thwarted by the Sudanese gov't. Sudan militarized a couple of ports and prevented their entry.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6033231.stm

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  22. Re:Lame by Jack_the_Tripper · · Score: 2, Insightful
    By the way, I may be the only person around who has been to every city mentioned in the post.
    That's funny. Been to pretty much every city in the country...You tend to get around in this truck driving biz.