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The State Of Wii Preorders

1up has a hilarious article up looking at the state of Wii Preorders across the U.S.. Despite the fact that preorders began (and likely ended) this morning at EBs and Gamestops across the country, the employees of the megalithic game store were less than fully prepared. From the article: "WEST VIRGINIA: GameStop #1330: 'We don't know. I mean, we're gonna be doing reserves. We're just waiting for them to tell us we can.' WISCONSIN: EB Games #4626: 'It looks more like we'll just sell that one. Because there will be 2 to 4 million units available on launch day, and EB/GameStop will be getting 70% of them that first come first serve would be doable. Even a smaller store like ours could be getting upwards of 50 units day one.' WYOMING: EB Games #4294: 'Any day now, man. Any day now.'" Despite my wife's best efforts, I missed out on a preorder by three people in line. Stupid cross-country trips.

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  1. Pfft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not a next-gen launch unless you spend two days urban camping. Harassing "normal" customers, being hasseled by employees, and forts made from shopping carts: That's a launch!!!

  2. Nursery rhymes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This little gamer went to Gamestop.
    This little gamer went to EB.
    This little gamer got a preorder.
    This little gamer got none.
    This little gamer cried "Wii Wii Wii" all the way home.

  3. Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I went into EB today (I live in Canada), and they said they're doing pre-orders for PS3 and Wiis on Monday morning. You can only get 1 system. Not one of each, they're making you chose!

    You need $50 in trade-in credit or $200 cash down.

    They're expecting a line up too.

    My question: WTF?! :) I don't remember having to line up for a pre-order. Isn't that what a pre-order is suppose to prevent?!? The need to line up on launch day!

    This is getting a little out of hand. What's next? The Wii2 launch will require you to line up to get a # so that you can line up to pre-order, and then line up again to pick up on launch day?!

    Problem is, I was going to maybe pre-order a PS3 to sell on ebay :) Use that money to buy a Wii! But now they're only letting me pre-order 1 of the systems! Grrr ... I might have to take a risk and get the PS3 anyways, in hopes that I'll be able to find a launch party line up the night before the Wii launch. Afterall, there's supposed to be a lot more Wiis right?!

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    1. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by Volante3192 · · Score: 2

      ...so how does this theory explain the 3 week campout people did to see 'Revenge of the Sith' or other movie campouts? Plus it seems that more people are reserving a Wii to keep; it's the PS3 that's going on Ebay more often.

      Sometimes it's not economic imbalance, sometimes it's just emotional. I'm sure there's a thesis in here somewhere for some aspiring economist...

    2. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by HappySqurriel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I honestly don't know what EB Games is up to ...

      Back in 2001 I pre-ordered a Gamecube at Futureshop and when I walked in they must have had (at least) 50 Gamecubes in a pile and everyone who pre-ordered ended up with a system; today, the Wii is launching with (about) twice as many systems as the Gamecube did and EB Games are averaging 10 systems per store for to pre-order. It seems that something is off to me, either EB Games is getting screwed on the number of systems they're getting, or they're purposefully limiting pre-orders.

      Which brings me up to my other question ... Why could I pre-order a Gamecube in July in 2001 at Futureshop, and a month before the system launches I still can't pre-order at Futureshop or Best Buy?

    3. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well you see, this is all just EB/GameStop's elaborate plan for the next-next-gen console launches: The Pre-pre-order. The idea is to avoid standing in line for your pre-order, so you can put money down in January 2007 for the opportunity to be first in line to put money down on putting money down on the PS4, Xbox 720, or Nintendo's WiiWii.

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    4. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      today, the Wii is launching with (about) twice as many systems as the Gamecube did

      This is unconfirmed. A Nintendo executive did give a number, but then another (presumably more important) executive said he was wrong.

      That's the answer to all of your questions, actually: Nintendo won't tell EB (or anyone) how many consoles they're getting. EB really wants to avoid a situation where they oversell preorders, so they're being very conservative with their preorder allotment. If rumours are accurate, most EB stores will take preorders for 10-20 consoles, and will receive a shipment of 3-4 times that many for release day.
    5. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by alphaseven · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The way you deal with supply/demand imbalance is to raise prices, not make people wait in line.

      There is a very good reason for not raising prices, if the Wii or the PS3 was priced higher, then while those companies would make more money, some people would be turned off by the high price and buy an XBOX 360. And once someone already owns a 360 they are less likely to buy another console in the future because of the investment. By pricing the PS3 and Wii lower than demand, instead of buying a 360 people may wait for the other consoles to become available. Also, optimal pricing is hard to predict, like the 360 in Japan (which got a small fraction of consoles compared to North America) and the PSP didn't sell out at launch.

    6. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why could I pre-order a Gamecube in July in 2001 at Futureshop, and a month before the system launches I still can't pre-order at Futureshop or Best Buy?

      Back in July 2001, Futureshop hadn't yet been screwed by the demand for the Xbox 360 far outstripping the available supply. The more preorders the store takes and is unable to fulfill, the more disgruntled customers there are. Better to avoid taking preorders, and thus disappointing many people.

    7. Re:Monday for Canadian Wii preorders by MrJynxx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a tip for Canadian's pre-ordering the Wii.

      GOTO ZELLERS!!!

      Believe it or not Zellers has been quietly doing Wii pre-orders. I ordered mine on the 6th and just recieved a call from Zellers headoffice asking for the date of purchase because the person forgot to put the date of purchase in their book (they could of checked the receipt but i'm sure a call was easier).. But anyways, that followup call confirms I'll have it on the 19th..

      Cout your local Zellers and they may have some avail, I think it was 15 per store.. Good luck!

      MrJynxx

  4. Re:Not certain about the Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Zelda: Twilight Princess. The gamecube version won't hit until a month later.

    Trauma Center.

    Others I'm more, or less, interested in seeing how they turn out: Red Steel. Elebits. Rayman.

  5. Chasing the Wind? by andphi · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, it appears that the chances of pre-ordering are Wii-mote?

    I don't understand why these game systems are shortaged at launch. 80 or a 100 XBox360s for a town of 130k people? One or two PS3s or Wiis per game store? Are they trying to funnel them through the big box stores? Are they under-estimating demand or trying to create artificial scarcity?

    If a car company could only supply one new car of each type per dealer per town, they would look foolish. Why is the same kind of behavior normal when applied to game consoles?

    1. Re:Chasing the Wind? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, it appears that the chances of pre-ordering are Wii-mote?

      Someone should put you in jail for that pun. And then send you to hell. And then put you in some sort of jail they have set up in hell. (Paraphrased from a friend of mine.)

    2. Re:Chasing the Wind? by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These things are "shortaged" at launch primarily because they're afraid of matching supply and demand principles. A shortage is what happens when demand outstrips supply but prices don't rise. The nature of manufacturing a new product is that you can't make a million of them instantly. You build say 100k a day. I guarentee you two weeks ago there were finished Wiis sitting there waiting for enough friends to make launch numbers. In a perfectly free world market, that first lonely Wii would have been sold immediately, to the highest bidder. But you can't set the price for all Wiis like that. You'd only sell 1! And there's regulations that prevent you from offering two people different prices for the same thing.

      What you could do to keep demand in check is sell the first group for high dollars, and as those willing to pay 750 dollars for a Wii dissapear, lower the price, wait for those people to buy, and repeat until your price is as low as you're willing to go on it. This isn't done for a couple reasons. 1) Being the first to do this would drive your customers to competitors 2) Consumers would cry out how unfair the price was a week ago, and early adopters who didn't anticipate a sudden drop in value would vocally feel screwed. 3) Pricing on the high side risks NOT selling out.

      That third risk is probably the most dangerous for a platform that needs support from 3rd parties. To sell as many games as possible, you want as many installed users as possible. Rather than risk choking demand for the platform and watching software sales plummet, they err on the side of caution, and leave nickels on the ground for retailers to pick up by managing their inventory. Ideally, you mass enough consoles to launch fairly to a region, so distribution and supply of games is simpler and your advertising campagn is a simple "buy on november 17th" or whatever, and then everyone who wants one goes out and gets one, because you produced exactly that number and no more. If fake shortage news like deliberately undersupplying preorders drives up total sales, then you do it for the health of the platform.

      So basically, theres a shortage because they don't expect to make as big a profit on selling systems as they do selling games, so finding ways to sell as many as possible is their goal. Determining what is and isn't a shortage can be difficult, but ebay is usually a good indicator.

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  6. EBgamesStop not the only game vendor by Avacar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While the EBGames/Gamestop pre-order is making news, they can't be the only store doing pre-orders. At some point stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, FutureShop, etc. will start pre-ordering. The question is, has anyone heard news on when? Where? How many?

    The 'state of Wii Pre-orders' shouldn't be limited to one chain. It should count all chains. The 1up article is a bit limited in scope (however, still an interesting/funny read).

  7. Re:Not certain about the Wii by ElleyKitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Zelda, WarioWare, Wii Sports, Excite Truck, etc, haven't gotten you excited yet, then stick with your current console(s). Different people like different games, and you'll just be disappointed if you buy a console become other people say it's cool.

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  8. Pretty organized by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I opted for the mall since there was an EB and a Gamestop (and it's indoors). Despite getting there at 9:15, there were lines of over 30 people for each. While I was walking up to the first shop, the manager came out and announced that they would only have 14 units. I hopped back in car and decided to stop by a Gamestop that is on the way back to my house. There was ten people in line already. A few minutes later, the manager came out with donuts and told everyone that they would have 14 units. Very organized over all. They were pressing hard on the pre-ordering of accessories, but that was to be expected. The only confusion was from parents waiting in line. The gentleman behind me knew that his son wanted a Wii, but he had no idea on what it was or what to purchase with it.

    Wii: $50
    Remote: $10
    Zelda TP: $5
    Classic controller: $10

    1. Re:Pretty organized by tsalaroth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Waiting in line to purchase something that doesn't exist yet? Priceless.

  9. Wii will rock! by i_am_the_r00t · · Score: 2, Insightful


    There is nothing revolutionary about the horsepower, graphical abilities or capabilities.

    There is not even anything special about the controller. That's not the point. (Sony and MS will make competing controllers that will probaly be better. i.e more sensitive, better range, more buttons, etc)

    The point is (and this is the MAJOR point of every Console in the history of consoles)...

    the Wii controller comes in the box!

    why is this so important?
    people don't buy add-on hardware for their consoles. that's the whole point of a console. you buy the "gaming Appliance" bring it home and play games with it.

    developers never know how many "Console Owners" will have "X-Add-on" so they will never design a game for that add-on.

    developers will know that every Wii has at least one Wii-mote. period.

  10. Re:Not certain about the Wii by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you've already read the game list, I doubt anybody will have anything to add. It's not as if anybody has played these games to speak of, or at least anybody allowed to talk about it. (A couple of hours of "hands-on preview" doesn't count.)

    I'm interested in the Wii, moreso than the XBox 360 or the PS3. But I'm going to be "sticking with the PS2" myself for a while. For one thing, there's still a good 10 games that I'm interested in, and I have a Real Job so it takes a while to get through them. Fortunately, they're pretty cheap now, especially if you buy them used and sell them back after a reasonable period of time. I've played kick-ass AAA-quality games from two years ago for a net-outlay of about $8 over three or four months, which beats even rental.

    While somebody needs to buy the Wii, I don't think there's any compelling reason to run right out there and be first on your block unless you've done everything you want on your existing consoles.

    Because for as excited and intrigued as I am, the fact remains that the Wii is highly experimental and it may yet be one dumb-assed idea, and I don't think there's a problem in waiting for somebody else to find that out, while you continue to mine the deepest, richest vein of console video games ever on the PS2. (And those PS2 game's prices aren't going up, although finding them may become an increasing challenge.) I for one will not buy a Wii until I've actually used one, either in a store or preferably at somebody else's house.

    (Also, my wife got a DS, and there's a couple of things coming out for that that we have to get. Yoshii's Island 2 is going to be a rare release-date purchase for us, and we just got Mario Kart which is going to keep us occupied for a while. And the new Zelda piques my interest... it's been a long time since I've played a Zelda, and I think both the 3D and the 2D branches of Zelda have their own charms.)

  11. Best game ever will be available at launch! by whyrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They'er going to have my favorite game: resell on eBay for double the price!

    The sequel is also good: Buy another a few weeks later.

  12. I checked my local Gamestop at Opening time... by tarun713 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At 10am I swung by my local gamestop. They said they had 6 units for preorder and they were all gone by 6:30 AM, as there were already 6 people in line. Strange, as the PS3s at the same gamestop had sold out at 7 PM the day the ps3 preorders launched, plus they were issuing 12 preorders. Why are they only issuing 6 preorders for the Wii when there are going to be 2.5x the amount of units? That didn't make sense to me.

  13. Three reasons by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Three reasons.

    1: Interest on $50,000,000 for a month (You really think the costs of running the pre-order operation for a day are going to exceed $4 million?)
    2: Gets the customer into the store two times, increasing the opportunity for additional sales
    3: Requires the customer to provide personal information that they can sell

    1. Re:Three reasons by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where did you get the $50M from? $50 down on 1M units? My understanding is that Gamestop has 3200 stores, which, if each sells 30 pre-orders is roughly 100k units. That knocks your estimate down by an order of magnitude.

      Somewhere else in this thread are people claiming that EB/Gamestop are getting 60% of the initial shipment of 2 million units; small stores would be getting 15-30 units. Larger stores in big cities would presumably get many times that.

      Obviously, if that is incorrect my point is based on a flawed assumption.

  14. Uh.. Zelda? by xenocide2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess some people have a fascination with serial input busses, but for the rest of us, Zelda on launch is like candy for breakfast.

    You're right though: a lot of the other titles are widely ported mass market games. But many of them seem to be somewhat modified -- the Wii version of Madden allows you to use the motion sensor to control the gameplay. Ubisoft is making a racing game using the remote. They put out a plastic steering wheel and you put the remote in it, at which point it can detect you turning it one way or the other. Tom Clany's double agent is well anticipated, but many people I think would rather get it now on another platform than wait a month for the Wii version. There's also Trauma Center, a Wii exclusive and definately not a game that surrounds itself with the familiar; it's a surgery simulation game.

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  15. Re:My GameStop was different, I guess. by Kenshin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thanksgiving is going to be awesome this year, having a nice shiny Wii to tote to the in-law's house to show to the kids. :)

    Should we notify the authorities ahead of time?

    (No, the jokes won't stop.)

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  16. You get nothing from your Gamestop preorder anyway by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why isn't it making news that your pre-order at gamestop or EB doesn't guarantee you a console, even if you are sufficiently to the front of the line.

    What are people paying $50 for? If they want money, I'd better get a guarantee, or at least more that $50 back when they're telling me they aren't actually going to sell me the machine I pre-ordered.

  17. Skunked by Doomstalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got to my local GameStop (Squirrel Hill location in Pittsburgh, PA) at 8:45 AM, about an hour before they opened. There were about a dozen people in line. Then the EB employee came by, and handed tickets to the first bunch of people in line (not me).

    From what I've gathered, they had a lot fewer units allocated than they did for the PS3. When I asked on Wednesday, the clerk said those had sold out in about 15 minutes. It's kinda odd, considering that the Wii's going to have about 10x the availability. My guess is that Nintendo is purposefully avoiding selling the majority of their hardware as preorders. They want to get the hardware into the hands of the general public, not the sorts of people who read gaming sites or get email notifications from EB. It makes sense, though, when you consider how vital Nintendo's market expansion plan is to the system's success.

    1. Re:Skunked by xenocide2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      See, I figure they deliberately undersupplied pre-orders to either encourage retailers to bundle, or to drive up news stories of pre-order sell outs. That, or Gamestop got the short end of the Wii allocation stick somehow.

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  18. Re:No classic controller for me by tepples · · Score: 2
    You can use the standard Wii remote to play VC games.

    Only on the NES and TurboGrafx-16, whose button configurations are similar to that of the Wii Remote held sideways. The Super NES and Nintendo 64, on the other hand, have a lot more buttons. In Super Mario World, how would the player spin-jump (Super NES A button) or use the camera panning controls (Super NES L/R buttons)?

  19. Re:No classic controller for me by tepples · · Score: 2
    I wonder if GameCube controllers will work for [Nintendo 64 games]. Enough buttons

    Almost. The Z button is in the wrong place (where R1 is, not where L1 is), making Z-targeting harder. I'd imagine that Nintendo's emulator would be able to reassign GameCube L to N64 in games that don't use the L button. But what might be harder for the emulator to work around is the lack of a six-button layout under the right thumb (especially in fighting games). You'd have to use the GameCube's X and Y and miss out on N64 C up and C right, or you'd have to move back and forth between the GameCube's A and B buttons and its C-stick. Or will Virtual Console games' control systems be reprogrammed for GameCube controllers and Wii Classic controllers?

  20. easy to get one for me by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd just like to relate my preorder experience. I saw /.'s posting of the story at about 11:30 (Central). Wasn't really planning on preordering but figure WTH and started calling. The third closest EB/Gamestop to me (still within 5-10 minutes) had two left. Futzed around a bit and then went over there. Got there at about 12:30 and there was still one left.

    So, all in all pretty easy for me.