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The eBook, Mark 2

Selanit writes "David Pogue recently published a review of the Sony Reader, under the title Trying Again to Make Books Obsolete. Though he likes the device in general, he concludes that it's not destined to replace the book any time soon. Well worth a read."

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  1. the one advantage by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    pulp books do not need electricity

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    1. Re:the one advantage by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      pulp books do not need electricity. . .

      Why yes, I do live in a basement, you insensitive clod.

      KFG

    2. Re:the one advantage by zoeblade · · Score: 4, Insightful

      pulp books do not need electricity

      That's the only advantage you can think of for traditional books? They also have no DRM; they have to be treated pretty badly before they stop working; they contain both the data and everything necessary to read it.

      I have a fifty odd year old book I bought second hand recently. It has one or two holes in it where it got torn up pretty badly. However, I can still read it. I probably couldn't say the same thing about a fifty year old computer text file, as it would pre-date ASCII and likely be written on some old format like a punch card, so I'd probably need to buy some specialist hardware like a punch card reader, then write a program to translate the data into a modern format.

      Of course, digitised books have advantages too, such as not taking up space, and being easily searchable. It seems like an ideal format for non-fiction reference books such as encyclopedias and guides, but not very good for fiction.

    3. Re:the one advantage by gerbalblaste · · Score: 1

      To be fair the comparison between a 50 year old book and a 50 year old text document is hardly accurate. A 50 year old text file (provided such a thing exists) is comparable to something written in Latin or old English.

    4. Re:the one advantage by zoeblade · · Score: 1

      To be fair the comparison between a 50 year old book and a 50 year old text document is hardly accurate.

      It's impossible to say whether a popular modern format such as PDFs will seem as obsolete in another 50 years or not. Only time will tell. Still, technology's moving at a faster rate now than it was then...

    5. Re:the one advantage by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a fifty odd year old book. . .

      i.e., a fairly new book (about half of my thousands of books and magazines are between 50 and 100 years old, a few rather older); whereas the standard eternity for computerized gear is three years.

      I probably couldn't say the same thing about a fifty year old computer text file, as it would pre-date ASCII

      Of course ASCII is moving in on 39 years old and is fairly stable. With a bit of work it's even human translatable, even from certain kinds of computer storage media.

      Of course, digitised books have advantages too, such as not taking up space, and being easily searchable. . .

      And being considerably easier to move. Trust me on this one. Did I mention that I have thousands of books and magazines? I also have thousands of ebooks/documents. They slip into my pocket.

      KFG

      KFG

    6. Re:the one advantage by eneville · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have a fifty odd year old book I bought second hand recently. It has one or two holes in it where it got torn up pretty badly. However, I can still read it. I probably couldn't say the same thing about a fifty year old computer text file, as it would pre-date ASCII and likely be written on some old format like a punch card, so I'd probably need to buy some specialist hardware like a punch card reader, then write a program to translate the data into a modern format.
      I know some 50 year olds who could read that punchcard for you...
    7. Re:the one advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      pulp books do not need electricity

      But strangely, many pulp authors do. Either in small jolts to stimulate output, or in a large surge to halt the next Dianetics.

    8. Re:the one advantage by eck011219 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >> pulp books do not need electricity

      Unless it's dark. And where I live, it's dark about half the time. Farther north, planetary motion is even less compliant with readers' needs. Fix that, and you've got something!

      I happen to split my time between web development and book design and typesetting, and I can't imagine that the old, er, analog format can't live in harmony with the new digital formats. I prefer to read print on paper, but I do keep several reference and classic books on my PDA. I don't find them as easy on the eyes, but that's details -- the fact is, I have more data than I could ever carry in print form in a little box the size of my wallet, and I can refer to it when the chips are down (the U.S. Constitution is getting quite a workout these days, for example). And if I have something digitally that I'm reading at home on paper, I can wait out a dentist or something and just move my physical bookmark when I get home. Moreover, you can't run a global search on a hardcover from the library. But you can hold it and smell it and enjoy all the tactile magnificence of a well-manufactured book.

      Working in publishing, I hear a lot of either/or -- people strongly believe that the advent of eBooks spells the end of print books. They can live together and compliment each other, as long as the proponents of each don't think the other is a mortal threat to their bottom line. No different from a lot of other digital-vs-analog arguments, really. People freak out far too easily when they think something that will compliment their industry will actually replace it. Whereas the smart people (read: the ones who will still be there at the end) get involved in both.

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    9. Re:the one advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And being considerably easier to move. Trust me on this one. Did I mention that I have thousands of books and magazines? I also have thousands of ebooks/documents. They slip into my pocket.

      Which prompts the next question: Where's my e-paper PDA?!

    10. Re:the one advantage by gilgongo · · Score: 3, Informative

      pulp books do not need electricity

      True, but how much is "enough"? I have a electric quartz watch that I have had for about 10 years and have changed the batteries twice. I would regard that as maintenance to the point of it being negligible.

      The Sony Reader has an eInk display. Charged plates underneath capsules arranged in a fine grid push either dark or light ink into view. The resulting display is basically the same as ink on paper and needs no back light in the same way as conventional paper doesn't need them either. And crucially, there is no power required other than to change the display. I fully expect that in a few years, eInk will require about as much power as a quartz watch and will have as long a life without a change of batteries.

      The Sony Reader isn't going to "replace" books or magazines any more than dishwashers "replaced" washing the dishes, or the car "replaced" the train. It's going to simply find a niche to co-exist with paper. All this huff-puffing about how you need batteries and can't swat flies with an eBook is hokum. DRM is going to be the biggest problem - by far - with this technology. Luckily, Sony haven't carried that particular innovation through with the Reader it seems.

      PS: Here's a review of the Reader published on our company blog, which concludes that's it not too bad. Has a video of it in operation too (the Reader's screen refresh is rather slow, apparently), which is more than the NYT can manage.

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    11. Re:the one advantage by kfg · · Score: 1

      Which prompts the next question: Where's my e-paper PDA?!

      How are they going to tie you in to a propriatary estore with one of those?

      KFG

    12. Re:the one advantage by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While books have many advantages, ebooks can have some advantages over them. For example, you list 'they contain both the data and everything necessary to read it' as an advantage, but they dont include light - an ebook reader can (not sure if this one does, but my PDA sure does) which means I can read an ebook in many more places. An Ebook reader allows you to carry hundreds with you, take your entire library on holiday and not have to worry about planning the third book you will read by the pool.

      Dont get me wrong, I still read normal books but my preference is these days to get an ebook, and no the DRM aspect doesnt bother me in the slightest.

    13. Re:the one advantage by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
      Without having looked at the exact power requirements (shame on me!), perhaps it would be an idea to add a small solar panel to this device. Most reading is done in environments with at least a reasonable amount of ambient light anyway...


      Depending on how fast you can read and how much energy it takes to refresh the entire display once, it might just be able to charge itself almost as afast or even faster than you as a reader will change the pages during normal reading conditions and with decent ambient light levels.


      (But as I said, haven't looked at the specs yet.. :O )

    14. Re:the one advantage by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      DRM is going to be the biggest problem - by far - with this technology.

      This is one of the things that annoys me with new technology. Why can't they just make it so that the books are distributed on something like a widget that you plug into the reader? This way, no copying problems, no limiting the number of authorized PCs, no electronic files to deal with.

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    15. Re:the one advantage by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      pulp books do not create toxic waste in their production, do not release heavy metals in their disposal, and are easy to recycle.

      also pulp books are not tied to technology that can be quickly replaced. think of the 20 or so ebook formats of the past that nobody supports anymore.

      environmentally, you probably better off chopping trees down to make books than you are making plastic and combining it with arsenic and cadmium and lead.

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    16. Re:the one advantage by paulkoan · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Paper books have a pretty solid copyright protection built in, which is circumventable only through extensive effort and then the copied result is generally of much lower quality than the original.

      If you give a paper book to someone, you no longer have it.

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    17. Re:the one advantage by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      You said that, but I have read over 70 science fiction books in my Sony Ericsson P900. Over forty of them by Isaac Asimov.

      Much easier to carry all the time and read it when using a bus or between college class sessions.

      As it's easier to just go scrolling and reading than entering text in my cell phone (except when connected to the computer as I can use a full sized keyboard then), I find easier to read than to use reference books or encyclopedias there.

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    18. Re:the one advantage by syousef · · Score: 1

      Paper books certainly don't have to be treated badly to stop working. Just get the thing a little wet. (Of course the electronic copy wouldn't fair better, just be a more expensive waste). DRM is not a necessary evil either, but the book publishers will have you believe it is.

      Not so important for fiction but I'd love searchable reference material and I'd love to be able to carry one book and have an entire library at my fingertips. Greed on the part of the publishers unfortunately prevents this for anything still under copyright. Damn shame. We need this to move forward as a society damnit.

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    19. Re:the one advantage by beamdriver · · Score: 2, Informative

      Very few books these days are printed on acid-free paper. In fact, the quality of books being printed today is pretty abyssmal. The odds that they'll last fifty years in a readable condition are not good.

    20. Re:the one advantage by hador_nyc · · Score: 1
      Of course, digitised books have advantages too, such as not taking up space, and being easily searchable. It seems like an ideal format for non-fiction reference books such as encyclopedias and guides, but not very good for fiction.
      You're right that this would not be useful for real books; the stuff most folks are willing to shell out $15 -$25 for in a bookstore or on Amazon. What about the world of paperbacks? There are pleanty of books that I buy that I seriously doubt will be worth reading in 50 years; some of that goofy sci-fi stuff that's so fun to read. I think one of these electronic readers would be good for that realm. Those eBooks that Baen Books offers; note I am a huge fan of their eBook service; would be great to read on one of these things. All they need to do now is to cut the price to below $100, and I'd actually buy one of these readers.
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    21. Re:the one advantage by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, once everybody has an eBook, the printing market can become 100% bits-only, and there is no need to manufacture hardware anymore (except for the occasional replacement when someone breaks their eBook). Then you have the best of both worlds.... you don't have to chop down trees or create lots of electronics.

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    22. Re:the one advantage by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      They also have no DRM

      Not all e-books have DRM. Only some do.

    23. Re:the one advantage by swillden · · Score: 1

      pulp books do not need electricity

      They do when it's dark.

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    24. Re:the one advantage by rogergregory · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, my 50 year old paperbacks are a bit brown and brittle but
        quite readable and look like they will last another 50 years. I'm sure they aren't acid free, and admittedly they are in a lot worse shape than 150 or 200 years old books that I store in the same conditions. It doesn't help to exaggerate.

    25. Re:the one advantage by bunions · · Score: 1

      Printing inks aren't real nice, environmentally speaking, unless you use soy inks which are (last time I checked, which was a while ago) significantly more expensive.

      Then there's all the energy and chemical goo expended in the papermaking process (nasty, expecially if it's a chlorine-based pulp plant), all the energy expended in the printing and binding process, and all the energy devoted to moving those heavy books around.

      You're still probably right. I'd rather increase the demand for trees than for plastic - trees can be regrown and even monocultures like pulp plantations are better than no forest at all - but I just wanted to point out that paper production is surprisingly dirty and the economics of the publishing industry are /immensely/ wasteful - the stripped books sellers send back to the publishers or, more frequently simply dump into the trash, must number in the millions of tons a year.

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    26. Re:the one advantage by DanielArdelian · · Score: 1

      Here's another advantage:

      Where I live, shipping costs about $75 for a book from Amazon.com.
      If I have to choose between $25 paperback + $75 Shipping & Handling from Amazon with 2 weeks delivery time or I can get it at $25 with an instant download from an e-book shop, guess which one would I choose ?

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    27. Re:the one advantage by famebait · · Score: 1

      "Of course, digitised books have advantages too, [...] but not very good for fiction. "

      I disagree. If they offer good one-handed use, I'm signing up for one as soon as a the selection grows to anything convincing. I read most of my fiction while commuting on public transport. Turning the page in a regular paperback while balancing your takeout-coffee is clumsy, especially without the bookmark falling out. If If I find the current song on my pod needs to be rated down (I usually play in shuffle-mode on a rating-based playlist), that is also a hassle. Being able to just stuff it in my pocket when my stop arrives (always too suddenly) and still find the page next time would be a nice bonus too. I've kept hearing people say comuters can never replace books for years now, but very few of them seem to realise that most of the problem is the screen. The moment people have seen areal-life reflective screen with high enough resolution and contrast to rival paper, many will reconsider; it just bever occurred to them that such a thing could exist.

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    28. Re:the one advantage by jtev · · Score: 1

      I read most of my fiction as e-books. On the other hand, most of the fiction I read is military science fiction and one publisher puts all of it's new books in e-format. Unrestricted even, so you can give them to a buddy, read them on as many devices as you want, even edit them if you really feel like it. They determined not having DRM helped with their sales of e-books, and the paper versions of the same books. And the books are rather cheap, since Baen sees them primarily as a way to sell more books.

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    29. Re:the one advantage by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      I think the environmental impact of ebook readers will depend on the device itself. If an ebook reader is designed to use replaceable rechargeable batteries, then the waste factor is limited to the batteries themselves. If properly designed then the device itself would have a long useable life.

      Another way that an ebook reader could reduce waste is to reduce the need to print short term documents, like newspapers and monthly magazines. Rather than having to dispose of a daily newspaper after reading it, it could be distributed electronically and deleted when you are finished reading it. This would significantly reduce the amount of paper that needs to be disposed of each day.

    30. Re:the one advantage by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Ebooks have one other major advanataged that I'm surprised that no one has mentioned here esp. when combined with a palmpilot or smaller reader. They are easy to hide. My T5 is easy to hide in my hand or just about any pocket. Its kind of hard to slink off to the john with a copy of war and peace tucked in your pants. Where with my palmpilot I can haul a whole library to the can with me.

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    31. Re:the one advantage by jtev · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Indeed. And since you presumably carry your Palm with you anyway, for well, schedule, etc (at least I do) it's not like anyone wonders why you have it even if they do notice it. Also, I love your sig.

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    32. Re:the one advantage by jtev · · Score: 1

      Because the ability to electroicaly distribute the books is one of the big advantages of E-books. And there are E-books available without DRM. In fact, the ones without DRM seem to sell better than the ones with it. Shameless plug for a publisher I like. Take a look at Baen They determined that contrary to popularly held opinion that not treating your customers like criminals increases sales of both electronic and print books. They even give away several of their books, since they found that amazingly, people buy books they have already read.

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    33. Re:the one advantage by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Which is even more symbolic since I have half of www.asstr.org downloaded to it.

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  2. Just one question: by Woldry · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA: "One charge is good for 7,500 page turns. That's enough power to get you through "The Da Vinci Code" 16 times (electrical power, anyway)."

    So my question is: Why would you want to?

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    1. Re:Just one question: by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I realize that you are trying to be funny, but I think the point is to show you how many books you could read on a single charge. Some poster above you pointed out that the advantage of paper is that you don't need electricity. This kind of information shows that you don't really have to worry about electricity, since you could read 16 good sized novels before having to charge the thing. Although I think that's a little unbelievable. My Cell phone battery will die after a month even if I don't have it turned on. Most rechargable batteries have some kind of leakage. I hate my digital camera, because almost every time i pick it up the battery is dead, even if last time I used it it was fully charged.

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    2. Re:Just one question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's enough power to get you through "The Da Vinci Code" 16 times (electrical power, anyway).

      So that's, what, like a quarter of a Neal Stephenson novel?

    3. Re:Just one question: by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realize the quote you are including already made this joke, only much more subtly, right? Right?

    4. Re:Just one question: by Woldry · · Score: 1

      Actually (he said, hanging his head in shame), I overlooked that joke altogether. You're right, of course.

      Can I blame my density on having had to read the article on a backlit LCD computer screen instead of on a Sony Reader?

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    5. Re:Just one question: by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Although I think that's a little unbelievable.

      You didn't RTFA.

      If you had, you would find out it only consumes power when you have to redraw a page.

      You would also have discovered that there is a prototype that has been displaying the same page for 3 years.

      Sure, batteries slowly leak power. However, have you noticed that watch batteries can last for years - even with a constant power drain? As long as you don't need to provide huge bursts of energy, like those needed by a digital camera, you can design the battery to be more efficient in the long term.

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    6. Re:Just one question: by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Is The Da Vinci Code really the new standard for literary dwarven bread? (You always have it to read, but strangely you find something else to do in meanwhile.)

      I guess I'll have to read it someday...

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    7. Re:Just one question: by xarak · · Score: 1


      You would also have discovered that there is a prototype that has been displaying the same page for 3 years.

      That's exactly why you need screensavers!

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    8. Re:Just one question: by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      OK, i Didn't RTFA. But here's my question. Does after 3 years the device still have the ability to show the next page. I understand that it only needs power to change the content on the screen. So if I change the page now, and take out the battery, then it should still show the same content 10 years later. However, because I've taken out the battery, I am unable to change the page. This is my problem. It says I can read 16 books. That's probably the number of books I would read in a year. So either I'm ending up with a non-rechargable battery, which doesn't have much leakage, or I end up with a rechargable battery, which would probably drain itself, even sitting on the shelf outside the unit in a month.

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    9. Re:Just one question: by RingDev · · Score: 1

      So what's wrong with buying a $5.00 battery once a year?

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    10. Re:Just one question: by revlayle · · Score: 1

      *ahem*

      "Rechargeable"

    11. Re:Just one question: by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, see my follow up post right below this one. The article didn't specify so far as I saw, but their web site did.

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  3. Direct link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:Direct link by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

      Link to printable version

      :)

    2. Re:Direct link by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Now that's funny. Well done.

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  4. Pun by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Well worth a read."

    Was that some pun humour in the summary?

    Anyway, I'd not trust Sony to make an eBook reader that wouldn't install a rootkit anyway. Installing Sony software is about as good an idea as installing sofware from MyWebSearch. They messed up Audio CDROMs for cripes sake, now we want them to control a book format too?

    1. Re:Pun by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe not a rootkit, but after using SonicStage for my MiniDisc player, I'd have to say that I don't expect anything good from Sony. How they could release a piece of software that bad, and expect to have repeat customers and good reviews is beyond me. When I bought my iPod, I asked what other MP3 players they had. The guy said they had Sony players, and then pointed to the shelf filled with open box Sony players. He very much didn't recommend them.

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    2. Re:Pun by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Ugh, don't remind me about that software. Now I'm going to end up in the fetal position for the rest of the day because you brought it up. So much for that essay due tomorrow...

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    3. Re:Pun by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Sony makes perfectly good software. SoundForge and Vegas are excellent tools. I agree with your distaste for some of their business practices in the past, but I wouldn't go so far as avoiding something just because it has the word Sony on it, especially if it means avoiding something particularly useful. That would just be cutting off the nose to spite the face.

      That said, e-books are an interesting idea, but it's hard to beat the usability and durability of a good paperback.

  5. We've heard this before... by Woldry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The paper book will be obsolete at around the same time as existing technology succeeds in supplanting other more-or-less longstanding mainstays like the pocket knife, the pencil, the match, the internal combustion engine, corrective lenses, transparent glass windows, tumbler locks, zippers, analog clocks, shoes with laces, the wheel -- well, I think you get the idea.

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    1. Re:We've heard this before... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here we go Pocket Knife -> Leatherman/Multitool Pencil -> PDA with note pad The Match -> Lighter (I don't know anyone who regularly uses matches over a lighter Internal Combustion Engine -> Hybrid engine cars. (Yeah I know there's still an Internal Combustion Engine) Corrective Lenses -> Laser Eye Surgery Transpaent glass windows -> What, you wnat them replaced with opaque brick? Tumbler locks -> Many locks are now electrical and based on RFIDs. Zippers -> Buttons work so much better, I hate how zippers always fall down, If you want a constant barrier use velcro. Analog clocks -> Digital clocks Shoes with laces -> Velcro, or shoes with elastics so there's not tightening required. Anyway, although i know that none (save for the lighter) has come close to replacing the others, There are alternatives, and I believe that in the future, many of these things will be replaced, once the cost comes down. If it's $200 every couple of years for glasses, and laser eye surgery only costs $500, doesn't have to be redone, and is risk free, then I think may people will opt for that instead of glasses. If you still think glasses look good, well then get laser surgery and wear window glasses.

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    2. Re:We've heard this before... by Woldry · · Score: 3, Informative

      See my reply below to another poster.

      My point, which I apparently failed to convey, is that alternative technology exists to accomplish the most common uses of all of the things I mentioned -- and in some cases, has existed for quite some time -- without "replacing" those things in any meaningful sense of the word. Yes, the new technology infringes on the size of the market for those things, and yes, some people will opt to use the newer technologies exclusively. But the older technologies have their advantages, too -- whether it be cost, safety, ease of use, familiarity, or simple idiosyncratic aesthetic appeal. As a result, I think that the use of the older technologies is far more likely to last than most of us neophile technogeeks seem to think.

      (My mention of transparent glass windows was in reference to a trend some years back, now thankfully largely reversed, toward replacing clear glass in schools and office buildings with, yes, opaque brick, or else opaque glass, in the interest of "reducing distractions" in schools and "increasing productivity" in businesses -- till studies began to show that the end result tended to be exactly the opposite. Most people apparently need distraction occasionally to function at their best.)

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    3. Re:We've heard this before... by joto · · Score: 1

      As for making paper books obsolete. It will happen at most a few decades after e-books hit the mainstream. Sure, some people will insist on p-books, but they will be enthusiasts, just like the people who insist on vinyl today. Or black and white film. Or steam engine trains and boats. Or any number of other obsolote technologies.

      Matches are already obsolete, lighters have surpassed them in number of fires started by a huge margin. People use matches mostly for nostalgic purposes. I can easily see tumbler locks becoming obsolete. Biometric is just so much more convenient, and once I can get biometric locks cheap enough for putting on my bike or locker, I can't see much reason to have tumbler locks anymore. But I agree the rest of them are stayers (at least for now ;-)

    4. Re:We've heard this before... by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Biometric is just so much more convenient, and once I can get biometric locks cheap enough for putting on my bike or locker, I can't see much reason to have tumbler locks anymore.

      Major issue often overlooked (but often brought up as well, so how people overlook it anymore is beyond me): Your key gets compromised, or your combination/password... You can get a new key/password. Hell, just buy a new lock entirely. Problem solved.

      Someone (not with much difficulty - watch mythbusters hollywood myths) copies your fingerprint . . . You ... are screwed?

      Now, of course, we can argue other biometrics are more difficult to capture - but none are impossible, and at worst, I'd expect the same scams as ATM readers etc will propogate at the same time as the devices are rolled out.

      Say no to biometrics for security!

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    5. Re:We've heard this before... by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The slashdot post without line breaks -> The condescending slashdot post linking to a basic html tutorial.

    6. Re:We've heard this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 2 "pocket knives", 1 is a leatherman the other is a gerber. The leatherman is, quite simply, crap. The metal is so weak that one of the screwdriver heads has become stripped and the corkscrew is bent. The gerber on the other hand is a solid product, much more capable of being "the replacement" for a standard pocket knife.

      Actually, I do prefer a box of matches over a lighter any time. You can play little drinking games/jokes with them and still light your smoke afterwards. Matches also seem more stylish/classy and there is the added bonus that they are usually free from the shop or pub.

      A PDA isn't a very good choice if you need to exchange information or give your telephone number to someone. How many people do you honestly think you meet who have a PDA? Just the tech-geeks, because I can almost fully guarantee that the hot looking brunette on the dancefloor won't have one for you to IR beam to her. Additionally, I much prefer a paper notebook to write down the status of my projects and for sketching designs. Paper (or napkins) and a pen(cil) will always be needed.

      Hybrid engines are poor replacements if you want a car with power.

      Having laser eye surgery done doesn't mean that your eyesight cannot continue to deteriorate. Corneas cannot be replaced, contact lenses and eyeglasses can be.

      Glass windows, of course will not be going anywhere for a long time. Plexiglass, lexan and other transparent polymers tend to "cloud up" over time due to stress and shock. Sure glass can be broken easier, but I don't have windows broken enough to justify a switch.

      Many locks are digital, if you work at a bank or some other high-security area where "keys" need to be changed often. I still don't see too many of them on homes or businesses. My house has electronic locking devices only because I used to work for a company that manufactured them.

      Buttons are even older than zippers, so much for replacements. Velcro is just tacky :P

      Digital clocks have pretty much supplanted analog clocks in most places, however I'd hate to see a digital grandfather clock or a digital clock out in the city square.

      Shoes with laces are still the standard. Velcro was tried, but didn't ever catch on (probably due to being tacky). Admittedly, none of my shoes have laces. My boots use zippers, my dress shoes and casual shoes both have elastic.

    7. Re:We've heard this before... by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      Getting a new lock is easy. Unless, of course, you need to replace dozens of them and have a secure building in the meantime. And they aren't hard to lose.

      The best thing is keycards. They are incredibly easy to replace and reconfigure and easy to make on the spot. They can also be tracked. RFID keycards can make it possible to just walk though doors.

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    8. Re:We've heard this before... by CastrTroy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I kept on trying to remind myself to switch it from html to plain text before I hit send, but alas, I clicked send, and all my formatting was gone. Here's an option I want. HTML formatting, but replace my carriage returns with
      , so I can still use HTML, but I don't have to enter
      every time I want to leave a new line.

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    9. Re:We've heard this before... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's pretty rare to see glass in new windows these days, it's all going to synthetic plastic type stuff. Convenient because if you throw a baseball at it, it doesn't break so easily. Don't ask how I know that.

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    10. Re:We've heard this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 'preview' button would be really handy, too. Someone should get on Taco's case to have him add one sometime soon.

    11. Re:We've heard this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We use matches to light the fires ( open and log burner ) in our house. There isn't a lighter in the house. I can't think of anyone I know with fires that doesn't use matches to light them. I should add I don't know anyone with a gas fire or a pellet burner. Most people I know have matches in the house, even if it's just for emergencies. The only people with lighters are smokers. Some people have piezo electric lighters for gas cooktops or gas barbecues ( philistines ! ), but those don't really count because it's pretty hard to ignite anything except gas with them.

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    12. Re:We've heard this before... by fithmo · · Score: 1
      If you still think glasses look good, well then get laser surgery and wear window glasses.

      pshhh.... in the future everyone will wear opaque brick glasses for style!

    13. Re:We've heard this before... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I can leave a book in the bathroom for reading. Probably wouldn't do that for a PDA.

    14. Re:We've heard this before... by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      Everyone makes mistakes. Especially the moderator who voted us as Offtopic.

  6. Magazines and the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Web has certainly replaced magazines for the most part, and is even starting to replace academic journals.

    I wouldn't be surprised to hear that textbook sales are decreasing in real terms since the introduction of easily found information suitable for helping out with a lot of university work.

    And there are already exact replacements for some book content.

    Just look at what porn is doing - are porn mags still used as much as they were? Nope, it's on the 'net. The web is the main component of a book replacement and once you can get paper like displays which don't need any bulky electronics another feature of books will be replicated in modern technology.

    Blogs have replaced journals, and TV guides are now transmitted over the air and published on the net too. All paper based content moved to "book" replacements.

    1. Re:Magazines and the Web by Woldry · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Web has certainly replaced magazines for the most part

      This is true only if by "replace" you mean "infringe somewhat upon the use of". While web sites have begun to take on some of the uses to which people put magazines, and while many people now forego printed magazines in favor of the Web, magazine sales are still strong enough to keep the industry going. I've worked in public libraries for nearly 20 years now, and the magazine reading room is always full of people browsing the shelves or using the magazines for school research. The usage is declining, but far too slowly to say that the Web has "replaced magazines".

      New technology rarely completely replaces old. There is a period of adjustment during which a new technology will show rapid adoption, and then a new equilibrium is reached, in which users have expanded technological options, which they select on costs, relative merits and individual tastes. Radio exists happily alongside hardcopy recorded music and online music and live music. The arrival of cars did not "replace" the use of bicycles, horses, trains, or shank's mare. Chlorinated swimming pools have not replaced recreational swimming in oceans, lakes, rivers, and ponds. People still pay vast amounts of money for actual, as opposed to virtual, chessboards. Mass production of candles, soap, paper, and even vegetables have not replaced the older means of producing such goods; strong markets still exist for the handmade (or hand-raised) versions of these.

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    2. Re:Magazines and the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That first link shouldn't have the e on the end - sorry. Arxiv.org.

    3. Re:Magazines and the Web by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, we won't replace the text book until our professors stop telling us that we have to do questions 1 through 47 on page 394 of the book that comes out with a new edition every other year. I know a few people who bought very few textbooks in university. Many courses are easy to get through without them. Some courses it's impossible without it. Making that decision is quite hard. I know my professors often told us which ones we would need, and which we could do without. Although some of my professors said, "this book is extremely good, and it costs $150, so I'm not going to base the course on it, so don't buy it if you don't have the money, or buy it later after you graduate and have a job".

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    4. Re:Magazines and the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue that the web has taken the magazine's place (behind newspapers) at the most widely used form of quickly published, disseminated, read, discarded and then renewed literary conveyance. It may even beat newspapers in terms of readership.

      Additionally regarding the periodicals reading room, as many people using the same copy of the materials there, it isn't a good indication of the decline in use of the magazine as more copies are sold to individuals than institutions (for many periodicals) and people who use the periodicals reading room access magazines for 'free', and 'free' content is one of the main boons of web based media, negating one of the main benefits for such users.

    5. Re:Magazines and the Web by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, the primary uses of Wikipedia by folks in higher ed (faculty, students and staff) are probably 1) settling pop culture arguments that can't be settled via IMDB and 2) doing research about things like Wikipedia. Sorry, but they still haven't figured out a good way to deal with the kooks. Anyone who actually knows something is always going to give up before the kooks, because they almost certainly have better things to do in "real life". The great thing about the internet, of course, is it gives the kooks a sense of community - it's an echo chamber. You see the same thing with the neocons in the Bush administration, talk radio, and here on Slashdot, where a lot of folks are convinced that Linux must count for a third of the desktops out there, and it'll overtake Windows any day now.

    6. Re:Magazines and the Web by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "New technology rarely completely replaces old."

      Thank you for that marvelous insight. However, to borrow an old saying, "A difference that makes no difference is no difference."

      Or to put it another way, by the time you get to the 99th percentile (or even the 80th, IMHO) you've effectively replaced the technology. Do 99% of the people who use candles in the US buy them at the store or make their own? Do the vast majority of today's consumers listen to MP3s or CDs, 8-track, or vinyl?

      Given horses and cars, which one will 99% of the people here in the US ride or drive to work tomorrow. Which one has been effectively replaced for that use?

      If I visit a hundred businesses am I more likely to see a telephone or a ticker-tape reader or a telegraph pad? A computer or a typewriter or a Wang word processor? A wax dictaphone or a cassette recorder?

      Once you reach a tipping point, one technology effectively replaces another, and the older technology either finds and occupies a new niche, or dies and is relegated to the museum along with all of other other fossils.

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    7. Re:Magazines and the Web by maxume · · Score: 1

      You know, I sit here at my linux desktop editing the Wikipedia article on Rush Limbaugh's impact on the structure of the Bush administration, and all I have to say is

      NNNNNNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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    8. Re:Magazines and the Web by SoapDish · · Score: 1

      I just want to add that I've tried using wikipedia for academics before, and it just doesn't work. It's not a practical resource for higher level information. Textbooks can be used as acceptible references in reports, and they actually contain examples where the theory is used. Textbooks are also written by people who actually use AND teach the theories.

      One time specifically I was looking up the Bessel Function, because my $130 text book was a first edition, and was unclear/poorly typeset. Because of the article being written by `Kooks', all the information (and there were pages) was essentially useless, and repeated many times over. All I needed was the limits at 0 and infinity, this was an engineering course after all, and neither were even mentioned in the article. I then went to the textbook, and found everything I needed in a few minutes.

  7. Have you ever seen technical standards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen some of the more complex technical standards? Many of them can reach up to 9000 pages of actual specification, not including tables of contents, indices, appendices, and so forth. 7500 page turns wouldn't be nearly enough for such documentation.

    1. Re:Have you ever seen technical standards? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      If you can read 9000 pages in one sitting you've got something sick and wrong. Though I could imagine the issue if you need to quickly flip through that many pages. One could hope that they might consider some type of preview feature where you could fit 4 smaller preview pages on a single normal page allowing you to flip quickly through the book.

    2. Re:Have you ever seen technical standards? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      One of them newfangled "search" features would be handy, too...

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    3. Re:Have you ever seen technical standards? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Of course, but technical books have indexes as well. Either way this thing is designed as a tradeoff. More like paper, less like a computer.

  8. Things need for ebook success by dgg3565 · · Score: 1

    Three things prevent ebooks from taking off: Resolution, ease of use, and DRM. Get displays up to 300 dpi, make it as intuitive (both the UI and form factor) as an iPod, and make the DRM manageable (something along the lines of iTunes) and ebooks might actually become competitive. Then again, audio books as downloads are probably more profitable.

    1. Re:Things need for ebook success by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

      If we're done with all the rootkit jokes and dismissive asides, TFA's description of this thing is fascinating: *only uses power when turning page. Leave a page "on" (visible) on your desk and go to be. And the description of how it manages to be as easy on the eyes as paer is cool.

      Size & weight would be a big deal for me; I'll need to see this in person (or at least in cyborg) to assess its chances. Oh, and I agree that DRM BS can kill theses.

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    2. Re:Things need for ebook success by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In addition to your list
      • resolution
      • ease of use
      • DRM
      there are at least three more things that are big issues, IMO:
      • cost of readers -- They cost hundreds of dollars.
      • expected obsolescence of readers -- probably 2 years until the reader you paid hundreds of dollars for is obsolete
      • cost of books -- Most publishers have been selling e-books for the same price as printed books, which is nuts.
      The way that e-books have really taken off is in the world of free books -- see my sig.
    3. Re:Things need for ebook success by jp10558 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've always felt that the RCA e-book reader had a lot right, especially for the technology at the time. The interface is intuiative - you load a book, top button under your thumb goes forward one page, bottom one back one page.

      What was bad was the low resolution.

      I personally want something with a similar interface to the RCA e-book reader, better screen and better importers. I really like the backlight myself - and having a battery that can last "only" ~20 hours seems fine to me - hell, we live with cellphones and mp3 players that get significantly less always on battery life. I mean, is it that hard to plug it in at night?

      That's not to say longer battery life is bad, but I really think backlights are a great benefit to e-books, and should not be discarded for an "authentic" experiance. If I wanted a paperback experiance, I'd buy a paperback!

      Finally, am I the only one who thinks content industries in general just don't get it? I mean, why would I pay the price of a hardcover book for a DRMed computer file? For that matter, why would I even pay the price of a paperback for that? I would pay $2-$3 for that though, if it's something I'm going to read once or twice...

      It needs to be cheaper than Amazon's used books are or I'll just buy a real book.

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    4. Re:Things need for ebook success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'd like to add...

      e-books aren't practical for my "reading room". If it's not practical to read in the hot tub or while I'm sitting on the can, it's not going to replace books or magazines for me.

    5. Re:Things need for ebook success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO, not big issues.
      My plan, addressing your big issues:
      1&2: Wait until they're obsolete, so I can pick up one that's "good enough" nice and cheap on ebay. (enough time for it to have been reverse-engineered and gained a good OS HTML readers etc.)
      3: Stuff it full of project gutenberg goodness.
      4: Enjoy.

    6. Re:Things need for ebook success by Falkkin · · Score: 1

      I owned the previous version of this -- the Sony Librie. The screen is about the size of a paperback. I think adding a backlight to a screen this size would suck a lot of power, and also add significantly to the manufacturing cost and weight. I never found myself wanting a backlight, as the screen contrast is so good that I can read it in very dim light. Unlike an LCD screen, shining a bright light on it doesn't wash it out, so I could see a market for a detachable "front light". But backlighting the screen seems like overengineering the problem when you can get yourself a book lamp for $5-10 that will work just as well.

      If you've not seen an E-Ink screen in person, don't try to tell others what the Reader does or doesn't need; the screen is amazing, I was floored when I first saw it.

    7. Re:Things need for ebook success by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'm not telling people what the screen needs, I'm saying I need a backlight in an e-book reader. I often read it in bed at night with the lights off. I often read it on trips without other light. It is convienient - far more so than a clip on "reading light".

      I've tried the clip on lights with real books - they are shit. They are uneven light - often an orangish color near the bottom of the book. They need to be brighter than a backlight - and they can inadverently blind you or others if you happen to glance at the bulb. They often are hard to keep on the book, and they unbalance the book. Finally, they require an entirely separate power source - so you're now lugging around another set of batteries etc.

      A backlight is much easier and a better experiance IMO. I'm not saying everyone would want one, but I DO.

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    8. Re:Things need for ebook success by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      I'm saying I need a backlight in an e-book reader.


      I'm not even sure you could make a backlight work with this kind of screen... I suspect the screen is not translucent. You'd probably need some sort of front-light instead. Presumably any solution that you would use for an old-fashioned paperback book could be applied to this also.

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    9. Re:Things need for ebook success by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying I disagree that LCD is not the way to go for an e-book. Of course it depends on what the user wants, but I, for one, will not be buying this. I'll stay happy with my RCA e-book. I am thinking about going up a slight model to the ebookwise 1150 - for a much more palatable $125.

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    10. Re:Things need for ebook success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You CAN use backlight wit this screen.

      The only problem is, all you get with backlight is nice uniform, gray color. ;-)

      Think about how the screen works.
      microscopic spheres filled with transparent liquid and with black and white particles
      black or white particles are "pushed" towards the surface of screen using electrical charge.

      So the choice is:
      Do you want backlight OR do you want e-ink?

    11. Re:Things need for ebook success by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      One thing I'd like to add is the ability to put your own content on the ebook reader. I am interested in buying commercial ebooks, but if that is all that is available for an e-book reader then I will pass on it.

      One of the best things about the Palm Reader is that PalmOne also offers a program called "Palm Ebook Studio" that allows you to easily make your own ebooks from documents in the following formats: plain text, RTF, and HTML.

    12. Re:Things need for ebook success by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      while I'm sitting on the can,

      Not reading in the hottub I can under stand but not reading ebooks on the can? That is where I spend most of my time reading them. To this day I don't know how many ebooks the 1GB card that fits in my palmpilot will hold but its between a fuck ton and a shit load. That plus as I've said before my palm pilot fits in my pocket better than a copy of mobydick.

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    13. Re:Things need for ebook success by technomom · · Score: 1

      Remind me to never borrow your PDA.

  9. ebook reading by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    Slightly off-topic, what cell phones are good for reading plain old ascii text files? It seems to be an easy thing to build in, but never seems to be attempted.

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    1. Re:ebook reading by godIsaDJ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mobipocket is available for all Symbian phones (e.g. Sony Ericsson P900, Nokia N80, etc) I use my smartphone to read books and have done so for the past 2 years! It's great and such a space saver!

  10. iRex is better by network23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The iRex Illiad is a better choice.

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    Online education? http://online.edu.org/

    1. Re:iRex is better by Pensacola+Tiger · · Score: 1

      You've got to be kidding? The iRex costs over $800!

    2. Re:iRex is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, their specs are crap. 640x480 resolution will look like CRAP even if it is the size of A4.

      All things considered, you are better off buying an 12" Apple laptop (with x200 storage size, double the linear display resolution, a built-in keyboard, and a real OS. (and about the same price, or much less if you buy used).

  11. "There's no backlight, however" by Threni · · Score: 1

    Next!

    1. Re:"There's no backlight, however" by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      OMG! None of my printed books has a backlight either!

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    2. Re:"There's no backlight, however" by Threni · · Score: 1

      > OMG! None of my printed books has a backlight either!

      And you can't carry multiple books for the same size/weight as one book, and you can't share books easily, and you can't have a normal book read to you. Yep, these new fangled electronic thingies certainly have advantages over traditional books, don't they!

    3. Re:"There's no backlight, however" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not an LCD, and therefore you doesn't require you to shine a flashlight in your eyes to read a book.

  12. No annotation support. Bah! by maynard · · Score: 1

    The Sony ebook reader doesn't support pen input or any kind of annotation. It uses eink and takes one to two seconds per pageturn to refresh the display. It supports plain text, PDF, and Sony's proprietary DRM'd ebook format... so at least Gutenberg.org material can be imported.

    Still, without annotation - forget it. My ten year old Newton MP2100 is still a more useful ebook reader!

    Bah!

    1. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      While this particular machine isn't exciting, what is exciting is the new e-ink technology. From everything I've read its very very good. Being able to write on it will have to come with later editions, though I wouldn't ever expect much in the way of interactivity, e-ink isn't intended for moving images or even for touchscreen. The ability to write on it would have to come from a sensor behind the e-ink screen and some radio emiting pen. Touch sensativity never. Now I could imagine something like this with a second smaller LCD screen on the left side of the page that is turned off most of the time for power saving.

    2. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by maynard · · Score: 1

      eink offers nothing in power savings over black & white LCD. Further, it has a ridiculously slow refresh rate. The Sony unit doesn't include a backlight, so good luck reading in bed at night. But to my original point, for serious work annotation support is critical. I don't just read for pleasure. I take notes and highlight material to note future quotations and mark counter-arguments. This device is worthless to me.

    3. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by bunions · · Score: 1

      > eink offers nothing in power savings over black & white LCD.

      I don't believe that's true at all, double-especially in the size and resolution we're talking about here.

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    4. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by maynard · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it's difficult to compare since eink utilizes energy proportionally to the number of pixels turned per page refresh (not page turns). LCD draws power per 30hz refresh. But I think in real world use, one would find that a modern 800x600 LCD (same as the resolution of this eink device) would last about as long per charge. In comparison, I note that I get over twenty hours of constant use with the backlight turned off on my Newton (B&W, 480x320, ten years old). I really think eink is a technology not appropriate for this use. It might be great for billboards though.

    5. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by bunions · · Score: 1

      > But I think in real world use, one would find that a modern 800x600 LCD (same as the resolution of this eink device) would last about as long per charge.

      What basis do you have for this comparison? 7.5k page turns, at 1 turn per minute, reading 12 hours a day, works out to something like 10 days of battery life. Can you find an LCD device at 800x600 that will run for anywhere near that long, backlit or otherwise? I sure can't.

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    6. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by maynard · · Score: 1

      What basis do you have for this comparison? 7.5k page turns, at 1 turn per minute, reading 12 hours a day, works out to something like 10 days of battery life. Can you find an LCD device at 800x600 that will run for anywhere near that long, backlit or otherwise? I sure can't.

      Fair point, I pulled it out of my ass. We'll see how well this unit does in stores. I've seen eink displays and found them rather wanting for real world use. As I wrote in the parent, a two second refresh per page turn is simply unacceptable for regular reading. And, lack of annotation, makes this device worthless to me. The Newton has excellent annotation support, making it still a useful device.

    7. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by bunions · · Score: 1

      I haven't actually seen one of the displays yet, but I'd agree that the refresh seems , uh, a little long. Annotation isn't a must-have for me, but it sure would be nice.

      I'd be very happy to give up my pilot, which is what I currently use, for something with a more readable display, but the sony model doesn't seem to be it. But hey, it's only one of the first three of these devices ever. I have high hopes for future models.

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    8. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      I haven't actually seen one of the displays yet, but I'd agree that the refresh seems , uh, a little long.


      Hopefully that will be improved in future devices, but even if it isn't, I think the limitation could be worked around fairly easily in software. For example, you could have a two-stage page-turning sequence: divide the screen into "top" and "bottom" halves, and have the machine update one half of the display while you are reading from the other half. Et voila, double-buffering to the rescue :^)

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    9. Re:No annotation support. Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > As I wrote in the parent, a two second refresh per page turn is simply unacceptable for regular reading.
      1) It's closer to one second, and it's only a little longer than it takes me to move my eyes from the bottom of the page to top
      2) How fast do you turn pages in a book?
      Either way, after a little time you almost stop noticing it.

  13. TFA seems a little thin... by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

    ... what I want to know is can you load .pdfs that don't have DRM on here? Personally, I would love something like this for journal papers... especially if it could mimic the parts of the dead-tree versions that I like... like being able to scribble notes in the margins.... without that ability though, I can't say I'd ever care to get one of these things... why carry around a $350 device and worry about charging, DRM and finding the e-books to begin with when I can just carry around a $9 paperback? It's not like I read more than one paperback at a time (okay, maybe two, but big deal...) but carrying a stack of ~100 papers to and from university, that's a pain in the ass...

    1. Re:TFA seems a little thin... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      From what I remember reading, it supports txt, UnDRM'd PDF, DOC, and a few other formats along with whatever DRM format it also supports.

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    2. Re:TFA seems a little thin... by teslar · · Score: 1
      Personally, I would love something like this for journal papers
      Yeah, plus, then you could pay for it out of a grant - or get your supervisor/thesis advisor to pay for one out of a grant if you're still a student ;)
    3. Re:TFA seems a little thin... by dirtyepic.sk · · Score: 1

      According to the site it displays TXT, RTF, unencrypted PDF, their own BBeB format encrypted or unencrypted, JPEG, GIF, BMP, PNG, and plays unDRMed MP3 and AAC audio. It can import Microsoft Word documents, which it converts to RTF.

      Too bad no CHM though.

    4. Re:TFA seems a little thin... by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

      yeah, but does it have a stylus so you can scribble notes in? That's something that would bring this from novel to useful.

  14. Printed books by kimvette · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Printed books:
      - Give me my fair use rights
            - Enable me to lend them to a friend
            - Enable me to donate them to libraries
      - Five me my first sale doctrine rights
            - Enable me to sell used if I tire of the book
            - Enable me to give away if I tire of the book
      - Don't crash
      - Don't malfunction
      - Don't run out of battery power
      - Work in dim lighting, office lighting, and even direct noontime sunlight without washing out
      - Are not platform-dependent; no vendor lock.

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    1. Re:Printed books by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      The device in TFA is a document reader, not a dedicated e-book reader. It reads TXT, DOC (which it converts to RTF), unencrypted PDF, and their proprietary, DRMed e-book format, in addition to a number of image filetypes.

  15. The marketing problem: A book is portable by toby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess I'm not the first to figure out that maybe e-books have an uphill battle to market, because a book or two is already portable. Which means that maybe the marketing effort should focus on commercial users of piles of books -- mechanics, doctors, computer technicians, etc. (When I had a service call from Sun recently, the technician was lugging around a laptop to read service manuals.)

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    1. Re:The marketing problem: A book is portable by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm not the first to figure out that maybe e-books have an uphill battle to market, because a book or two is already portable.

      One book or two are the key words of your sentence !
      I really feel the pain of moving my books around whenever I have to move, and I know I am not alone. The heaviest boxes are almost always the ones that are packed with books. That is one of the main reasons I have always considered these ebook readers with a special interest, up to the point to be really attracted by this technology today.
      Unfortunately, if I can rip my music collection with iTunes/MMJB/whatever and put it on and iPod/iRiver/Zune/etc, this is not going to be as easy with my bookshelves and an ebook reader.

  16. I sure hope so - they're charging twice as much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Illiad is 649.00EUR at their online store. According to the current rate of exchange, that's about $800 US.
    If they're charing an extra $450 for their product, it should be a *lot* better.

  17. Sony by zoeblade · · Score: 1

    [Sony] messed up Audio CD-ROMs for cripes sake, now we want them to control a book format too?

    In all fairness, they also helped Philips invent the audio CD format in the first place, which includes the bit about it not having any DRM. It's probably safe to say that they're such a large corporation (making blank CDs, CD-ROM burning drives, CD players, pre-recorded albums, and so on) that they sometimes conflict with themselves.

    1. Re:Sony by maxume · · Score: 1

      In 1980, certainly to the people making the decisions, the idea that you could copy a cd for $0.15 using $30 hardware wasn't even on the radar. If somebody warned them about it, they would have thought the idea was insane.

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    2. Re:Sony by arose · · Score: 1

      Actualy the CD format has a do-not-copy me flag.

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    3. Re:Sony by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      Good point. The same could be said about the Bible, and the Printing Press in the Middle Ages too I suppose.

  18. Obsolence. by matt+me · · Score: 1

    Fucking ironic. A book will last as long as it's language, so anything published today, if preserved (just leave it somewhere DRY) should last a few hundred years years. Think Shakespeare's English makes good sense to us. The English we use is standardised and well documented, compared to Chaucer's varietie of spellings and meanings in a day without dictionaries. Global communication is leading to a convergence of British English, American English etc.

    Now an eBook. Whatever technology they're tauting today as the future will be as obsolete as the telegraph by the next edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. Storing data anywhere for more than twenty years is difficult - think of NASA's trouble rescuing Apollo stuff from magnetic tape. (Propose solutions? CDs, tapes, are NOTHING to scratching inch deep letters in solid rock) Of course, regardless of which side of copyright hell we reach, I somehow doubt one would even possess the text of the book, but download it from the grandchild of our internet. So yes my children will inherit my first hardback edition of Harry Potter and not some joke of a device.

    Now tell me your petrol engine will obsolete my bicycle.

    1. Re:Obsolence. by heptapod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's important to keep a book dry and out of the reach of insects but today books are being printed on paper which is highly acidic. When you find a book with yellowed pages, that's from the acid taking its toll on the paper fibers.
      The reason why really old books from the Renaissance and earlier have survived to this day is because they are printed on rag not pulp! In 500 years even a carefully preserved hardcover book will be extraordinarily fragile.

    2. Re:Obsolence. by matt+me · · Score: 1

      Do you regular reading would help? Separating the pages rather than letting them melt into each other.

  19. Don't forget the most important item by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    PRICE.

    Yet again content owners just don't get economics. Look at the first part of the article. How much does a E-book cost compared to a P-book. Why exactly the same offcourse. Nevermind the huge savings in both production, shipping and stocking, just like music and movies on the net we want the same amount of money as for the physical version. Oh and give the buyer fewer rights as well.

    E-books sound handy especially for those of us who want to read books no longer in print. But why exactly should I buy an expensive reader only to then have to pay the same price for the e-book as for the paper version.

    Why do content owners just not accept that if a product costs less to produce you pass some of the savings on to the customer? Imagine if you said "no thanks I don't need a plastic bag" in a real store and they then told you that will be 25cent extra. If you pick up your pizza at the restaurant instead of having it delivered you got to pay more?

    Content owners are either plain stupid or plain greedy. There is a reason e-books failed commercially. This had nothing to do with the tech. It is because customers know when they are being ripped off.

  20. Why? by ZlatanZ++ · · Score: 1

    would you want to make the book obsolete? im all for gadgets which make my life easier, goodness knows i have a few. but a book is not a hassle, imho books are great things, there is nothing like getting a new book and smelling the pages, or sitting on the can and having a good read. people are just wasting their time with stuff like this.

    1. Re:Why? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      I just finished my college degree a few months ago. I would have much prefered carrying around a single e-book reader for all my textbooks than the 4 or 5 heavy books in my bag.

    2. Re:Why? by ZlatanZ++ · · Score: 1

      thats still not a reason to make books obsolete is it?

    3. Re:Why? by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      If you honestly think the summary's phrase about not making real books obsolete any time soon was more than wit or sarcasm, you are naive in the extreme.

    4. Re:Why? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      Not all of them, no. But I'm not about to curl up under a tree and peruse a hard copy of "Fundamentals of Real Estate Investment Analysis" whilst sipping lemonade and putting daisies in my hair.

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. The book won't be obsolete until we've found something noticeably better.

      Joke aside, there are a few interesting things than an ebook could do. Store dozens of books, allow you to annotate and erase your annotations, full text search, bookmarks that don't disappear when you need them... Did you every think that Wikipedia would be nice on paper ? With wiki editing enabled ?

  21. Hey Pogue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Pogue, you don't have to be Pogue anymore. Jesus is here!

  22. It's a step in the right direction by bunions · · Score: 1

    For me, the big failing of it is the "who the hell decided this was a good idea?" user interface. And, of course, the price tag - but time will fix that.

    I don't see it replacing books in the near future - I see it replacing my computer as a viewer of my collection of reference PDFs - journal articles, datasheets, user manuals, stuff like that. Stuff I need, but don't want to have to keep laying around in printed form to yellow and get water damaged and whatnot.

    I understand that it's not much more than a novelty if all you're reading is the latest fiction off the NYT list. I think the marketing is pitching this thing at the wrong people - they should be selling it to academics and technicians.

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  23. DIY by Hahnsoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you don't like either Sony's reader or the iLiad (my personal e-Ink favorite) you can make your own!

    Awesome.

    1. Re:DIY by bunions · · Score: 1

      at $3000, it's such a bargain I'll have to buy two!

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    2. Re:DIY by alder · · Score: 1
      ...make your own!
      For the unbeatable low price of $3000 (excludes sales tax, shipping and customs duties) ;-)
  24. Nokia 770 by DumbSwede · · Score: 1

    For what it is worth I'm finding the Nokia 770's 200dpi inch screen to be great for reading, though I haven't yet downloaded the FBReader maemo offers. The Nokia fits in my back pocket is solid, rugged, and has good battery life. At 800x480 it is also great for websurfing or blogging on the go. If I find a good supply of affordable or free reading I definitely plan on using this as my eBook reader. I have already downloaded Moby Dick and 20000 Leagues Beneath the Sea to round out reading some classics -- they are very readable with the Notes application, but it doesn't save your place (you could mark where you were, but that's not very quick or handy). Not only is the resolution 800x480, but the Opera browser appears to be antialiasing the fonts as well. Very readable especailly with the magnify icon, which maintains smoothly formed fonts instead of pixelating them. I assume FBReader would do the same for whatever size font you find most comfortable to read.

  25. They do too have DRM! by m_hemaly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pulp books stricly forbid copying & pasting (though there is a hack going around called a scanner + OCR, but it's pretty expensive, hard to use and worst of all: requires you to get off your computer!). They cannot be emailed. You can't even link to them from a blog. And without the aforementioned hack, you can't transfer them among your various devices, even though you legally purchased them.
    PS: I'm going back to reading His Dark Materials in this evil format now.

    1. Re:They do too have DRM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure you can copy and paste them. In those events my mind becomes the copy buffer and my fingers do the pasting.

    2. Re:They do too have DRM! by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Unreliable for large amounts of data.

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    3. Re:They do too have DRM! by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Nobody forces you to call up a license/key server every time you want to read a book.

  26. needs by kurtis25 · · Score: 1

    Things to happen before an ebook is of use. It needs to improve on the paper back. Right now it seems the ebook is just that an eversion of the paper, it does nothing more. The tape improved on the LP because of size, the CD improved quality and usability, the mp3 player improved on size, storage, usability over and beyond the CD. The ebook isn't a big improvement. 1) I need to highlight and take notes in the books. Too many famous notes were taken in side margins to eliminate the ability to take margin notes (Fermat's last theorem to name one). To add on to this I also want to be able to save my notes and share them over the internet a wiki of notes so when I go to read "the name of the rose" I can download a few sets of margin notes. 2) I need to be able to resell the book when I am done and buy used ones. Right now I can pick up a used paper back for a dollar or two and I can buy a new for $10 one and sell it to half priced books or on ebay when I'm done. It cuts down my costs, especially for college texts. Don't try to sell me the over all cost will be down. I buy most of my books at half priced books so until there is a half price ebook it won't work for me. I'll be able to buy over 50 books for the price of the reader alone and about 3 books per e book. 3) Make it fast and easy to use. I want to turn it on and read I don't want any load time or lag between pages. I often pick up a page and read (many books I read have small sections) so it is doable but if I have to wait 5-10 seconds for my book to load that will annoy me. 4) I need to import anything, gif, tiff, pdf, jpg, html, rss, doc, google docs, etc. (I understand the Sony can do some) I want variety after all I read magazines, journals, newspapers, hard backs, paper backs, guides, maps, all sorts of stuff the ebook needs to do it all before I get one. I want it to load my rss feeds in the morning so I can read those on it. 5) Be durable, be water resistant, shock resistant, drop resistant, TSA proof. If it gets ruined in the rain it's no better than a book and a whole lot more expensive. I'm going to drop it or keep it someplace it will get dirty make it able to stand daily ware and tare. 6) Read to me. If your electronic you might as well read out loud while your at it. Right now I don't want one. I tested the rocket ebook back when it was new, I carried it to high school one day it was nice, not an easy read, to heavy but it took notes.

  27. Yes, but... by toby · · Score: 1

    (I forgot to mention students, too.)

    I don't think ebook readers are aiming at first to replace your entire library. (Although I understand perfectly what you mean about boxes of books; I own many, and my remedy is not to move around much!) An e-book reader is "portable information" like an iPod is "portable music". And that's where the marketing difficulty may lie: Because it's just as convenient for people to carry a paperback (e.g. on a train or plane trip) as it is to carry the reader. And you don't have to worry about theft, batteries, breakage, etc.

    But then there are those other categories of user, who need a portable library, which is where they should probably focus.

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by mgedmin · · Score: 1

      My e-book reader (a Nokia 770) fits into my pocket. A paperback doesn't.

  28. This probably explains why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony never released an Ebook reader for the PSP. However for those capable of running homebrew on their PSPs, bookr is an excellent program for reading ebooks.
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/bookr/

  29. I've seen a similar device... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and it's a seriously nice piece of kit. (This is the Iliad, which TFA references.) The screen is deceptively unimpressive. It looks like a sheet of plastic with text printed on it, until you see it change. You look at it for about five seconds and suddenly realise how horrible LCDs and monitors are --- this is how screens are supposed to be.

    The software, however, is dire. The one we have is Linux based, with some ghastly software running on top of X. It's slow and clunky; the device responds to all keypresses about half a second late. I have a strong suspicion that the screen itself is operated via vector operations from some little microcontroller, and Linux is emulating a framebuffer on top of this, which may go some way to explaining the speed. Whoever designed the user interface also needs slapping around a bit, too; there's a big rocker switch, spanning the height of the device, on the left hand side of the screen. To go forwards through your book, your press it left. Apparently this is supposed to simulate the direction in which you turn pages. Sigh.

    To summary: deeply impressive. Too expensive. Crap software. Wait until it flops, and then buy one off ebay to hack.

  30. Great quote by crossmr · · Score: 1
    Some die-hards at Sony still believe that, properly designed, the e-book has a future.
    Like Sony is the one to be making that statement. I wouldn't trust Sony to make anything right. My parents owned a Beta, I think thats the last thing that has ever been a Sony in my family. Oh wait, I did buy a Sony DVD+RW because my Fuji one gave up the ghost after much rewriting, and that was all the store had left. It was garbage and I replaced it first opportunity I had with another Fuji.
    1. Re:Great quote by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I've had only good experiences with Sony. Every pair of Sony headphones I have used beat out every pair of non-Sony headphones I have used, a Sony Walkman CD player continued to work after constant abuse(it stopped working when I took it apart to see what was inside and accidentially broke off the motor), and the non-Sony HDTV upstairs was so broken that my dad had to go to the CEO to get his money back, and we bought a Sony, that works perfectly. I also haven't had any rootkit problems.

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  31. Brilliant Article by Crash+McBang · · Score: 1

    I rate it... 3 out of 4 trees!

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  32. What's missing.... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    What's missing is the Audible store for ebooks.

    For $22.95 a month I get two books of my choice, which are usually current best-sellers in fiction / non-fiction. Work it out, and that's about $11.50 for the current hardback which sells at $27.95, or the iTMS version selling for $25.95, and definitely beats the $30-50 needed to get the complete audio version on CD.

    I travel quite a bit, and currently have about a hundred audiobooks on my iPod that I can listen to in a line, on a plane, or where-ever. The selection means I have quite a bit of flexibility in terms of what I can listen to to fit my mood, as opposed to lugging a single hardback or a couple of paperbacks. And let's me watch recorded TV shows and listen to music to boot.

    So "players" can afford that kind of flexiblity. But...

    The point is also that if they want to speed up the adoption of ebooks then they need to provide incentives for consumers to adopt them... and paying for a dedicated reader so I can buy the same book at the same price as a hardback is NOT an incentive.

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    1. Re:What's missing.... by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure paying $11 for a novel actually *is* a good deal - but it sounds crazy for me. As someone who is both poor and lucky enough to live in a town with many large, extensive used books stores, paying more than $3 for a book seems excessive. (Well, maybe $7 for a lovely hard-back first edition...) For $24 a month I can get more books than I could possibly read in a month, and a small pizza too.

      In many ways I'm an ideal e-book consumer. I read one or two novels a week, I work in a cleanroom where paper is forbidden and often have hour-long blocks of down-time, and I sleep several hours less per day than my partner and quite enjoy reading in bed with the lights out. I read more ebooks than anyone I know, and am considering getting one of these new Sony readers (and perhaps tearing it apart to add a back-light), but I've yet to purchase a single commercially distributed book.

      If you ask me, the biggest problem with drm-crippled book and audio distribution is that it eliminates the used market. I don't have any sentimental attachment to physical artifacts - but when they they cost 1/5 as much as their digitized counterparts and simultaneously come with more freedom to use them however I wish and some nice cover art, it would be crazy to switch to the digital version.

      I hope that in the next decade or two vendors who have accumulated a vast library of what would be out of print e-books they'll begin offering them at a price comparable to the used paper.

  33. It's not a but but a feature by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

    If it's $200 every couple of years for glasses, and laser eye surgery only costs $500, doesn't have to be redone, and is risk free, then I think may people will opt for that instead of glasses.

    One of the things that people with perfect vision (or vision that is not absolutely abysmal like mine) do not really get is that nearsightedness can also be an advantage. For example, when I am not wearing corrective lenses I can read microprint. This may seem trivial, but it definitely came in handy when I was upgrading the hard drive on my (now ex-) girlfriend's 12" powerbook. At some point I came across a ribbon cable that was keyed, and not until I got WAY up close and personal without my contacts could I see where to place a very tiny pin to unlatch the plastic key. The dimensions of the plug/socket were about 1/16" square if I remember correctly.

    Now, I know I could have used magnifying lenses which engineers use for precision work, but that would miss the point that nearsightedness is sometimes a benefit. I generally avoid corrective surgery if there are non-invasive means of correcting the problem. For me, impaired vision in the mornings is lovely. I like being able to see my lovers up close and in focus. I would not be able to do this if my vision had been surgically "corrected."

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    1. Re:It's not a but but a feature by sjames · · Score: 1

      I generally avoid corrective surgery if there are non-invasive means of correcting the problem.

      A big advantage of glasses is that unlike laser correction, they're risk free. If getting fitted for glasses goes wrong, you do it again. If laser correction goes wrong, you're likely stuck with the results. Laser correction is "always on", glasses allow for various corrections (and none at all) to be available in a couple seconds depending on which is best for the situation at hand (your example is a good one for that).

  34. Out of "print" eBooks? by Flopy · · Score: 1

    I have many old books that are already out of print. Also, I've bought some books trough used-books dealers, but they are sometimes hard to find. I mean, I love my books, and I want to be able to keep them indefinitely, but will an eBook publisher sell me, say 20 years from now, a book published this year? For me, it is a concern, because you don't always want or need the latest book when an old out-of-print book will do. Storage is cheap, but are they going to keep old books forever? Since a book can be given away, it's possible, although difficult, to find it eventually. An eBook cannot be given away, but if they are digitally kept around for a long time with no compatibility issues in the future, then eBooks might be a good option.

    1. Re:Out of "print" eBooks? by LupusUF · · Score: 1

      "but will an eBook publisher sell me, say 20 years from now, a book published this year? "

      Well, those at project Gutenberg would argue that it is not impossible to find electronic versions of books that are over 20 years old. My guess is that will not be anymore of a problem in the future.

    2. Re:Out of "print" eBooks? by Builder · · Score: 1

      In a sane world, the book would not be protected by copyright in 20 years, so it could be offered by project gutenberg.

      Unfortunately, we live in a world where Mickey Rat writes laws, so we are stuck with an insane copyright duration.

  35. Now you're seeing it our way by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

    It needs to be cheaper than Amazon's used books are or I'll just buy a real book.

    This is exactly what those who control distribution want, to hamstring digital media so they will not prevail.

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  36. Did... by Five+Bucks! · · Score: 1

    they publish TFA in paperback yet?

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  37. What *I* expect from an e-reader by mark-t · · Score: 1

    1. Color reflective technology display, at 200dpi or better. Reflective display technology doesn't suck battery power when the image is static, and also doesn't waste energy on powering back-illumination, as it is read by ambient lighting.
    2. Portable. Approximately 9"x12"x3/4" or so, weighing not significantly different than a hardcover book of similar size.
    3. Standards compliant. Can import Adobe Acrobat files for viewing.
    4. Shock-resistant. Withstands drops of several meters without damage.
    5. Waterproof. Easily usable in wet weather, also could be dropped in puddles or even a bathtub without consequence.
    6. Weather resistant. Useable outdoors in any weather without risk of damage due to extreme cold or heat.
    7. Solar powered. If there's enough light to read the display, there should be enough light to power the unit.
    8. Robust. Can hold several books in memory at one time.
    9. Affordable. Under $500 for a reader.

    Not that I'm expecting it to happen in my lifetime, but something like that would probably go a reasonable distance towards replacing conventional books.

  38. Not just a *little* power --- ZERO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't seem to have understood this E-Ink technology at all.

    It consumes ZERO power to hold the current image on an E-Ink screen. None. You could rip the display out of the rest of the electronics and the image will remain exactly as it was before. ZERO power.

    So don't keep comparing it to your Newton. The Newton is a nice and useful gadget, but it doesn't consume zero power to maintain its LCD image.

    That doesn't mean that the Sony Reader nor the E-Ink display are better, nor worse, than the Newton. They're just entirely different.

    1. Re:Not just a *little* power --- ZERO by maynard · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to have understood this E-Ink technology at all.

      It consumes ZERO power to hold the current image on an E-Ink screen.


      I do understand that fact, I simply find it irrelevant for daily real world ebook use.

    2. Re:Not just a *little* power --- ZERO by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      It consumes ZERO power to hold the current image on an E-Ink screen.
       
      What about holding the book itself in ram (or whatever), though?
       
      I read ebooks on my Palm. That's all that I use it for, actually. I went through a period a while ago where I read a bunch of books-on-paper for several months and didn't turn the Palm on. When I did, the battery was flat and the whole thing was wiped out. I recharged it, reset it and restored it from the image on my computer. But the point is, my books were all gone on that device.
       
      Will books disappear from this device like that as well?

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    3. Re:Not just a *little* power --- ZERO by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      innocent_white_lamb wrote and included with a post:

      It consumes ZERO power to hold the current image on an E-Ink screen.

      What about holding the book itself in ram (or whatever), though?

      Considering current technology, it is likely that the reader will store the book in flash memory (I don't know but it seems likely) so the book will be remain in memory even if the reader's battery goes dead.

      I read ebooks on my Palm. That's all that I use it for, actually. I went through a period a while ago where I read a bunch of books-on-paper for several months and didn't turn the Palm on. When I did, the battery was flat and the whole thing was wiped out. I recharged it, reset it and restored it from the image on my computer. But the point is, my books were all gone on that device.

      That is one of the biggest uses for my Palm too. One of the limitations of the older Palm handhelds was that everything was stored in active powered memory. This is one of the reasons that the older Palms were fairly fast, they were always on and ready for immediate use but if the battery died the contents were lost. For Palm handhelds that used replaceable batteries, you had about one minute to safely change out the battery before the contents were in danger of being lost.

      But by hotsyncing your Palm on a regular basis the data is retained. I have data on my current handheld that has been through more than five handhelds over the past five years. Basically your computer retains a complete backup of your Palm's contents as of the last hotsync.

      Will books disappear from this device like that as well?

      As mentioned above, it is likely that the ebooks will still be retained even if the device's battery is completely discharged. I hope that Sony provides the ability to backup your ereader's contents to a memory card as a backup.

  39. From Sony? No thanks. by AJWM · · Score: 1

    Title pretty much says it all, but with Sony's history of format lock-in and recent DRM root-kit shenanigans, I'm inclined to avoid any Sony electronics, let alone something like an e-book.

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  40. My hands-on impressions of the Sony Reader by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 1

    The Good:
    -The screen is nice. Very readable even in sunlight, fairly high res for it's 6" size at 600x800.
    -The battery life(although I didn't play with one nearly enough to drain it's charge.

    The Bad:
    -64MB of flash. What is this the 90s? Even plain old text could fill that up pretty damn fast, and it's damn near useless for graphics or audio.
    -2-bit greyscale is great for text, but is on the lower edge of acceptable for manga (and the resolution could stand to be a bit higher for manga as well). I realize 4 or even 8 bit grayscale would be a luxury feature on an early-model device like this, and I wouldn't even mention it, except that Sony advertises and sells manga for their Reader.
    -Windows-only software, and no word on weather 3rd parties will be able to make their own loaders for linux and macs.

    The Ugly:
    -The case has a huge lip all around the screen, especially on the bottom. I think this device could be a good deal smaller and more portable without shrinking the screen size.
    -The interface is even clunkier than the screen's slow refresh rate requires it to be.
    -There are too many ports and slots and buttons and widgets. Sony really ought to take a page from the iPod's book on minimalism.
    -Zooming in seems to only work on text, not graphics (manga)
    -The $350 price tag. Unless the screen itself costs over $200 (who knows, maybe it does), I just can't justify that price, especially when you need to spend another ~$50 to give it a usable amount of memory.

    I'd seriously like to see Apple's take on an eBook reader. My complaints are almost all about cross-paltform support, configuration and case design, and interface design; which are all areas Apple does pretty well in the iPod. So I think they could build a better eBook reader in short order if they chose to (really, it's mostly just grafting an ePaper screen onto a iPod nano's innards and putting it in a slick little case, with a well designed interface).

    It's too bad that I suspect they see readers as a nice market next to music listeners and video watchers, and won't bother with that market until they've safely conquered the others.

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    1. Re:My hands-on impressions of the Sony Reader by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      Sony really ought to take a page from the iPod's book on minimalism


      Hm, I have a better idea... Aple should take a page from Sony and incorporate a nice eInk display into its next iPod. A device that delivered both audio and printed media, and didn't suck (in all the ways that Sony's products tend to, and Apple's products tend not to), would be a great thing.

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    2. Re:My hands-on impressions of the Sony Reader by Budenny · · Score: 1

      Problem is, the model will be the same. The idea will still be to sell you books in a proprietary format and make you buy the next model from Apple if you want to go on reading them. Also, note that with the Sony you cannot lend or give books. The idea is that the secondhand book market vanishes. I don't think Apple getting into the market will change the model at all, because its basically copied from Apple. If they make the device nicer to use, fine. But the model is the problem, not the device.

  41. Hey! by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

    That book has been lying in my room for months now.
    You're spot on.

    (and I didn't had to click to know how dwarfish bread is made :P)

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    1. Re:Hey! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      But has the cat pee'd on your copy?

      BTW (and back towards topic), the The Annotated Pratchett File, v9.0 should fit on the smallest PDA. (878k in PDF)

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  42. why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh great, so you get to lug around this paperback-size thing that does... what? Lets you read? No web browser, no calendar, no features at all that you'd expect from a PDA or "smartphone". And thats what this should be compared to, the only advantage it has compared to those is battery life and, one would hope, display quality. I've used the Nokia internet tablet, and the screen on that is, as someone mentioned, very nice. I fail to see how a single-purpose device like this reader is superior. It seems to me that the people who might buy this are also the people who buy PDAs, and if you have a good PDA, what do you need this for anymore?

  43. Why read The Da Vinci Code 16x? That's easy! by OfNoAccount · · Score: 1

    He was looking for the plot!
    *ba da boom*

  44. any ebook without bluetooth has missed the boat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think any ebook without bluetooth has missed the boat.
    remember the network is the computer.

  45. Not quite what you mean by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    http://www.webscription.net/ (BAEN) has 4 ebooks for $15.

    I'd like to get the reader, but that's easily 25-50 books right there.

  46. the one advantage by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    e-books don't fall apart.

  47. jinke by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    wait for the hanlin ebook from jinke. it will support open formats and run linux

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  48. Re: No DRM! by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I have to reply to this one, as it just so happens to match my Sig. Other remarks:

    1. One piece of bad luck doesn't easily wipe out your entire library. (%^$%$%, I stepped on the screen).

    2. Some of us actually hand-annotate our books with notes, and/or insert pages of "potential blog material".

    3. This is Sony. Given their last experiment in user trust, I'm now very wary of their approach to media.

    4. I think the 21st century struggle over DRM is drastically shortening the life of media. The great text files of 1985-era are still around. Microsoft is going for the record of marooning two proprietary formats in ten years. (Plays-for-Sure and Zune)

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  49. If you use them regularly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Half of the people I know who use their ebook readers daily say they'd give up their tv before their reader. And the other
    half of the people I know who use their ebook readers daily say they'd give up their home computer(s) before the reader.

  50. WTF is up with the prices? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

    E-books should cost less than paper books damnit not more (note that I can sell used books). And companies wonder why no one buys their overpriced DRM filled crap then try to shove more of it down our throats hoping we've somehow become idiots in the meantime. If I remember correctly Baen are the only ones who actually make money on ebooks and they sell non-drm cheaper-than-paper-version ebooks.

    1. Re:WTF is up with the prices? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 0

      Oooh, and don't forget the Baen free library (if it is still around).

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  51. DRM killed mark 1, it will kill marks 2 through 10 by clambake · · Score: 1

    If I could get a text file of a book, just pure ascii text, I would buy one or two books a week, every week, or at least $50 a month. Since they don't, I am forced to buy "real" books, which means waiting at the door for the UPS asshole who won't deliver on the weekends, which means no buying online and instead I buy a single book once in two months, if I am lucky and am near the bookstore, which is closer to $5 a month.

    I wonder how much money the DRM has saved them by protecting them from "book pirates"?

  52. It could take off... in about ten years. by SeaFox · · Score: 1
    After reading the article, I have to say it's not bad for a start. I know people who have literally shelves and shelves full of books. What would it be like to keep an entire library in a single tablet? (that was somewhat of a deja vu for when we asked "What's it like to keep an entire encylopedia on a single CD-ROM?" back in 1991)

    There are a few glaring details that need to be addressed.

    1. The price. $250 is entirely too much for the reader. Time will make it cheaper, though. When it hits the $99 mark I'll be interested.

    2. The screen size is too small. TFA mentions Acrobat documents being shrunk down and becoming unreadable. Obviously because most PDFs are formatted to U.S. Letter or A4 size. Make the screen larger and you have a worthwhile device for this.

    3. Screen refresh is too long. This is something else I expect to be improved in time.

    4. More color. This thing will do much better in the market once it hits thousands of colors. Hearing the description of "black on light grey paper" as a comparison to the display brought to mind one thing - newspapers. The biggest single-use, cheap, printed material. Imagine downloading your daily news to your ePaper (a larger, two-sided version perhaps?) and reading it on the subway. Take it home and refresh it the next morning.

    5. More resolution. I don't know what the device has now but I'm sure it's not enough to duplicate a printed page. Small fonts are easier to read in paper than on a computer screen, so maybe when we hit 150 or 300 dpi we'll have our ePaper.

    6. Wireless. Doesn't need to be WiFi, high bandwidth bluetooth style is fine. Imagine a board meeting and the presenter sends the report to everyone's tablet for them to read instead of passing out a dozen Kinko's-bound copies. Also, of course wireless syncing of the library at home and daily news downloading.

    7. The interface sucks according to TFA, how about searching - with handwriting recognition (but this would require adding touch sensitivity which might add weight/thickness, also screen refresh time will be a problem.

    TFA also mentions Amazon is working on a e-reader, too. But I think it's butt-ugly. Reminds me of old chess computers or children's electronic edutainment devices.
  53. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? not one word about the ipod?? by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 1

    I have 10 (TEN) full books on my ipod right NOW. I read on it every day. It uses the note functionality, and, it's absoultely better then paper. (for the record, the 2nd gen ipod nano, and i get HUGE amounts of battery life and it's with me all the time)

    That's right, i also have a sharp zaurus (linux pda) , and i prefer the ipod nano. Full books, good backlight, good battery life, and it plays music too. All in my pocket, all the time.

    Why do people keep saying that ebook readers are the problem? The problem isn't the readers - it's that there aren't big collections of digitized books (okay - gutenberg, but what i scooped was a russian hosted website with 350+ of the BEST sci-fi/cool books out there)

    The point is, i've been reading (for "fun" reading, that is) 100% on the ipod for the past year. Why does sony even matter???

    Just sayin'.

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  54. not ONE word about LOVELY ipod ebooks? by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 1

    There is nothing like not having to flip back and forth between one side and the other when reading in bed, let me tell you (you in the know, know what i mean)

    I have 10 (TEN) full books on my ipod right NOW. I read on it every day. It uses the note functionality, and, it's absoultely better then paper. (for the record, the 2nd gen ipod nano, and i get HUGE amounts of battery life and it's with me all the time)

    That's right, i also have a sharp zaurus (linux pda) , and i prefer the ipod nano. Full books, good backlight, good battery life, and it plays music too. All in my pocket, all the time.

    Why do people keep saying that ebook readers are the problem? The problem isn't the readers - it's that there aren't big collections of digitized books (okay - gutenberg, but what i scooped was a russian hosted website with 350+ of the BEST sci-fi/cool books out there)

    The point is, i've been reading (for "fun" reading, that is) 100% on the ipod for the past year. Why does sony even matter???

    Just sayin'.

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  55. the 1984 angle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised nobody's pointed this out: the contents of a paper book don't change after it's printed, but an e-book can be revised (and who wants to bet that e-book DRM will provide for this?)

    A slightly less disturbing variant: having your e-books revoked. After you've already paid for them, possibly while you're in the middle of reading them.

    Neither of these scenarios is really an "improvement" for the consumer... but you knew that already.

  56. ATTN: Ebook Reader Manufacturers by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
    Here's what I need in an ebook reader:
    • reads pdfs
    • lets me use a stylus to make notes as if it were a real book
    • uses the epaper technology (which is why I'm not just using a PDA for this
    • let's me make bookmark (like I was dogearing pages in a real book)
    • is not over US$400
    • does not add DRM to anything
    • doesn't require special software for transferring files to it
    • book form factor (Sony's reader works this angle well IMHO)
    Anything else (reads other formats, wireless transfer) is gravy, and I don't need it. I can convert all formats to PDF if need be. Sony's model doesn't let me make notes (and does some ridiculous proprietary software and DRM stuff), so it doesn't work. That European company (forget what they're called) with the 800 Euro reader is waaaay too expensive.

    I'm a law student, and would love to not have to carry around paper copies of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Uniform Commercial Code.
  57. Ebooks good...paper good by robbiedo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have got to the point that I prefer to read ebooks. Lets ignore the distribution and availability of legal ebooks for the moment. I have been using ebooks for years primarily on pda's, but I find sub notebooks like the IBM x30 perfectly usuable too. Currently, I use the Dell Axim x50v using a VGA hack for true VGA, and the latest Mobipocket book reader. I find the resolution of this particular screen and software combo extremely pleasant for reading ebooks. Bound paper books aren't so great for reading for two main reasons. One, you have to hold them open, and the manner which you hold the book changes depending on where you are and what page you are physically reading in a book. This can be very uncomfortable depending on lighting, and whether you are reading while eating or some other task, like many of us do. Second, the weight of a book, the quality of the paper, or the binding may diminish the quality of the reading experience. Textbooks often use the highest quality paper with excellent contrast; yet they are often heavy, cumbersome, and pages easily damaged. Novels increasingly use crappy paper with poor tactile feel and low contrast. Occasionally, I purchase books from classic collections which use outstanding paper and binding, but they are expensive. They are nice to own and read from, though; but have limited availibility and selection. Let us assume availibility of the particular book you would like to read. The Axim is easy hold, read, and operate with a single hand. I wish it had a rocker on the side for changing pages more easily. The screen is very high contrast, and the resolution is outstanding. Mobipocket reader is flexible and has a myriad of useful options. I can read in nearly all lighting conditions for dark to sunlight. I have 12GB of available storage, so I have hundreds of documents at my fingertips at any on time. The reading experience is consistent for every book. I have a Stowaway bluetooth keyboard which is fantastic when I want to read when I prefer not to hold or when eating. It has a stand which fits the Axim well in either portrait or landscape mode. Sometimes, I prefer to read on a larger laptop screen. Mobipocket has a very good synch function with the pda client, and the reader is outstanding on a laptop. Obviously, there is some downsides, such as price and power. However, i purchased the laptop and pda irrelevant of their ebook functions; consequently the marginal cost to obtain ebook reader hardware was marginal. The ebook reader software is free. Finally, the availability of ebooks. This is the real problem and failure of ebooks from a consumer standpoint. Many books are available as scans in various places. Suprisingly, many are of excellent quality and have been proofed and revised. This is clearly a failure of the marketplace to provide a product where there is some level of demand. I have seen many arguments about how expensive from the publisher's standpoint to provide all books as ebooks. I just don't buy it. Every book is available in a relatively readable electronic format by the time it has reached the publisher. Personally, I feel that everybook should include access to a basic digital version of everybook we buy. It doesn't have to be fancy, just usuable. The problem is that publishers want to sell the ebook version for the same price as the paper price, and this is the crux of the problem since most people do not see the same value of a $25.00 hardback and a $25.00 ebook, especially since most new and popular hardbacks are sold for significantly less than full retail price. Publishers are scared to lill the golden goose, and ebooks languish.

  58. If there's a list somewhere... by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    ...of the top useless inventions, the eBook needs to be on it...up there with such wonderful ideas as the computer controlled toilet and the Internet-enabled fridge.

    Personally, I'm still waiting for the robotic vacuum cleaner that use internal pathfinding to flawlessly circumnavigate a house, unattended. For a totally pointless invention which I still think would be rather cool, I'd also like to see an IRC client written entirely in shellscript using only netcat, grep, and sed.

    Come to think of it, on the same topic I've actually wished for a while that I had the money to travel to the US temporarily...because I really wanted to track down that guy who was shown in Trekkies who'd built himself a working version of a ride-on that was used by one of the characters in TOS...if I could give it the ability to carry shopping, I'd really want one of those things myself. Of course, I'd only use it after dark, and then only while wearing a balaclava...if I was positively identified while riding it, I would feel forced to commit suicide due to embarassment and/or shame. ;-)

  59. not at all like ordinary books by kwikrick · · Score: 1

    From the article:
    "These books are copy-protected, of course. You can read them on a total of six machines, counting Readers that you own and Windows computers. You can't give away or sell a book when you're done with it, much less return it to the store."

    Paper books I can sell and buy second hand. I can give them to my friends.

    I can read paper books no matter what operating system I am using.

    Priced $8 to $16 apiece, from Sony's online store. If Sony is serious about replacing paper with e-books, then the price will have to come down. I'm never going to pay that much for any DRM'd media.

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    1. Re:not at all like ordinary books by ThomsonsPier · · Score: 1
      "These books are copy-protected, of course. You can read them on a total of six machines, counting Readers that you own and Windows computers. You can't give away or sell a book when you're done with it, much less return it to the store."

      You forgot to mention that you can buy a book when you're four and read it when you're a hundred. How many eReaders will you break or upgrade by then?

  60. Durability FTW by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

    I have several hundred+ year old books and a couple multi-hundred y/o books. They've stood the test of time, I don't need to worry about not having the equiptment to read them, and have this sense of age that goes along with the wonderful tactile feel of books. I'm a computer peson, I spend a huge amount of time in front of a screen; while I can think of places where ebooks can/have been useful (places where storage of a lot of books is problematic, like on ships), normal reading is so much nicer with a real, paper book.

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  61. Portable? by alizard · · Score: 1
    ONE book is portable. Much more than a dozen and your backpack will be running out of room soon and you'll be getting some exercise whether you want it or not.

    My Palm PDA (Zire 31) and the 87 books I've got loaded into it is a fraction of the volume of that of a single paperback.

    Why only 87? I've only got 128M of memory on the external card. When my 1G card finishes the warranty replacement process, I can change that to 870. Or some combination of books and MP3s... video is probably not worth the trouble on a 160x160 display. Instead of a whole bunch of boxes, I'll be able to move my fiction collection in one box, I've still got some paper books left, but the bulk will go with me in the PDA. What happens if the card fails? It's backed up on my HD... and if that fails, there's the mirror drive and the monthly DVD-R backup. PDBs I can read from OpenOffice if need be.

    It could use more resolution, but what I've got is perfectly adequate for reading formatted text. It works well enough that I read paper books now when I can't avoid it.

    I can read text, Mobipocket formatted books, and PDFs. If I had a Palm with higher resolution, it would be just great for a pile of manuals.

  62. I can't wait by Kopretinka · · Score: 1

    I read TFA and I'm not getting the Sony reader as presented, but I for one would be all over a useful e-book reader for $100 right fucking now.

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  63. electronic books by ronfuller · · Score: 1

    what i think the greatest use for ebooks will be in the nature of school textbooks. load a semester's worth of books into the device. at the end of the semester archive them somewhere for reference and load the next set. e will not totally replace paper but has its place. i recently loaded plucker and zlib into an old palm pilot and downloaded several books from project gutenberg. i find i read as much on this as i do paper. its handy, it keeps track of my page for me, it's searchable. its not perfect (my wish list could get quite large) but its limitations are reasonable.

  64. from Sony's web site by RingDev · · Score: 1

    Battery Charge
    Up to 7,500 continuous page turns with a single full charge on internal rechargeable battery. Actual battery life may vary upon usage.


    -Rick

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  65. E-books are slowly succeding already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the only advantage you can think of for traditional books? They also have no DRM; they have to be treated pretty badly before they stop working; they contain both the data and everything necessary to read it.

    Try dropping a book underwater for an hour or two, let it dry, and then try separating the pages. I once shipped a book from Panama to Canada; it arrived practically unusable. A decent ruggedized PDA can be thrown into a tub of ice water and continue to function just fine. Back in the early 1990s, a decent ruggedized model used to cost about 4 times what a "normal" model cost; and that was back when they had to design in special shock-resistant hard drives. In the days of 2GB flash memory cards, ruggedization must be even easier.

    A well engineered e-book reader can be tougher than a book; we're just not making them, probably because they're too expensive.

    DRM is a translation issue; not a technical one. You can copy a DRMed work without much difficulty; just like I can copy a book written in ancient Aramaic without too much trouble. It's reading the result when you're done that's a problem; and that's just an excercise in translation, not with technology per se. If I encode anything, and don't tell you the encoding, you have a problem.

    I have a fifty odd year old book I bought second hand recently. It has one or two holes in it where it got torn up pretty badly. However, I can still read it. I probably couldn't say the same thing about a fifty year old computer text file, as it would pre-date ASCII and likely be written on some old format like a punch card, so I'd probably need to buy some specialist hardware like a punch card reader, then write a program to translate the data into a modern format.

    That's hardly a fair comparison. Fifty years ago, computers weren't used to store books.

    Of course, digitised books have advantages too, such as not taking up space, and being easily searchable.

    They have other advantages, too. You can read an e-book and turn the pages with one hand; that's a major advantage. You can read faster, because the text is always right under your eyes, and turning pages is just a tiny finger flick. You can get e-books remotely from half-way across the world away in seconds. It's cheaper to download data than it is to ship paper. And the storage benefits are enormous.

    It seems like an ideal format for non-fiction reference books such as encyclopedias and guides, but not very good for fiction.

    When they can get the economics and marketing right, they'll be ideal for both. Right now, the screens are still a bit too hard to read, and no one outside of niche markets are selling ruggedized PDAs anymore. The E-Ink concept is a decent attempt, but if the refresh rate takes a full second delay, I won't buy one. I read much faster than that; one of the things I like about reading books on my PDA is the fact I can read quickly and comfortably. I also like never worrying about losing my page when distracted, being able to read multiple books simultaneously, and being able to quickly search for my favourite passages to quote to friends.

    And while there's a certain nostalgia in the feel of a paper book, memories are what you make of them. One of my favourite memories is now of sitting perched high in a tree above a rushing stream, feeling the sun on my face as I lay back comfortably nestled in a cradle of branches, reading The Three Musketeers on my PDA. I couldn't have managed that climb with a paperback in my hand; and I couldn't have turned the pages with one arm wrapped around the branch I was holding. With my PDA, I could, and it felt natural and comfortable to do so.

    I like e-books. I want them to succeed. They're not ready for the mainstream yet, but they will be. When they are, I'll be waiting, eagerly, to adopt them.

  66. The ipod is ALREADY an ebook reader!!!! by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 1

    this whole discussion, in avoiding that fact, makes my head hurt.

    i read on it everyday.

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