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Google Campus to Become Solar-powered

prostoalex writes "Reuters is reporting that Google is equipping its headquarters with a solar panel 'capable of generating 1.6 megawatts of electricity, or enough to power 1,000 California homes.' This will make Google's Mountain View campus the largest solar-powered office complex in the United States."

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  1. Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can only google stuff when the sun is shining in Mountain View?

    1. Re:Does this mean... by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm actually worried about a hostile takeover from sun. With Google being so reliant upon sun for their energy, they won't have any defence.

  2. Good, but not a huge deal by rm999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "A Google executive said the company will rely on solar power to supply nearly a third of the electricity consumed by office workers at its roughly one-million-square-foot headquarters. This does not include power consumed by data centers that power many of Google's Web services worldwide, he said."

    That's great, I am really proud of them for using an alternative energy source (especially in such a sunny area) but most of their energy usage is those data centers and servers, not their employees. They purposefully did not give a % of total energy saved because it probably would have been on the order of 0.1-5%, which would have revealed the ridiculous amount of energy they actually use.

    1. Re:Good, but not a huge deal by jazir1979 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A fine philosophy indeed. I salute you!

      I mean the "not being part of the problem" bit - I'm a bit concerned about your combination of tofu, handjobs and watermelon.

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  3. Oh, the implications! by SocialEngineer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder how easy the transition will be for them to leave Linux behind in favor of a sun powered setup.

    Oh yes. I went there.

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  4. Google too powerful? by x2A · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah but wait til Google becomes too powerful, the only option we'll have to shut the computers down will be to black out the sky :-/

    I think I heard a story about it once...

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    1. Re:Google too powerful? by the_weasel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty sure the grandparent was making a Matrix reference there......though I admit the 'future' scenes in Terminator 2 didn't seem to show the kind of environment where sunscreen played a big role in anyones life.

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    2. Re:Google too powerful? by shut_up_man · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obj Simpsons:

      Technician 1: I got it! We can just shut off the power!
      Technician 2: No such luck. It's solar powered.
      Technician 1: Solar power! When will people learn?

  5. Re:Just one? by gbobeck · · Score: 5, Funny
    What if it breaks?

    Two words: Duct Tape.
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  6. Re:Commendable by JymmyZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think there's enough space in all of California that could be covered in the solar panels needed to power their data centers. Maybe if they bought New Mexico and turned it into one big panel array though.

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  7. Re:Commendable by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe if they bought New Mexico and turned it into one big panel array though.

    So, they'd be replacing New Mexico with something useful? And the catch is?

  8. Hours by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I guess that's one way to keep people from working late...

  9. Re:Long Term Benefit? by Karloskar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    pretty powerful nuclear furnace.

    I think the boys from They Might Be Giants summed it up best.

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    Yo ho, it's hot, the sun is not
    A place where we could live
    But here on Earth there'd be no life
    Without the light it gives

    We need its light
    We need its heat
    We need its energy
    Without the sun, without a doubt
    There'd be no you and me

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    The sun is hot

    It is so hot that everything on it is a
    gas: iron, copper, aluminum, and many others.

    The sun is large

    If the sun were hollow, a million
    Earths could fit inside. And yet, the
    sun is only a middle-sized star.

    The sun is far away

    About 93 million miles away, and that's why it
    looks so small.

    And even when it's out of sight
    The sun shines night and day

    The sun gives heat
    The sun gives light
    The sunlight that we see
    The sunlight comes from our own sun's
    Atomic energy

    Scientists have found that the sun is a huge
    atom-smashing machine. The heat and light of
    the sun come from the nuclear reactions of
    hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, and helium.

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

  10. Re:How big is it? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article didnt say anything about its physical size.

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  11. Payback? by Nick9000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder what the energy payback period is expected to be? I've heard up to thirty years for solar panels, which has always put me off because I would guess in 5-10 years there will be improvements in the amount of energy a panel can produce.

    1. Re:Payback? by Trogre · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's down to about ten years to payback the cost of household solar system

      What an age we live in.

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  12. Re:Just one? by sethstorm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two words: Duct Tape.

    Would that be to fix it or to shut up the person who revealed the problem?

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  13. Re:Long Term Benefit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The windfarms will take care of the birds. Crisis averted!

  14. Re:How big is it? by binarybum · · Score: 4, Funny

    hmm, I have this weird image in my mind of it looking something like this. notice the giant shadow cast over Nevada ?

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  15. Re:Just one? by sniepre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember: There are only two tools in life. WD-40, for when something doesn't move, and should, and Duct Tape, for when something is moving and it shouldn't.

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  16. Re:Just one? by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Funny
    Remember: There are only two tools in life. WD-40, for when something doesn't move, and should, and Duct Tape, for when something is moving and it shouldn't.

    So does the universe explode if you spray duct tape with WD-40?

  17. What this takes. by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK. One square meter of solar panel is typically good for 130 watts at peak, but only about 655 watt hours per day, or 27 watts averaged over 24 hours. In other words, the average power is about 20% of the peak. So, to get 1.6 megawatts average power, you need about 60,000 square meters of panel, or an area 245 meters square. This is about two football fields of area, or three Wal-Mart Supercenter roofs.

    A typical price for a good solar panel today is about $1000 for 160 watts peak. So to get 1.6 * 5 = 8 megawatts peak power, you need 50,000 of those panels, or about $50 million worth of panels. Batteries, inverters, and installation extra. (I suspect that Google is talking about 1.6MW of peak capacity, but that's a phony number to compare to other energy sources that can run 24 hours a day.)

    There are already data centers that draw 30 megawatts continuous. That would take about a billion dollars worth of solar panels to power.

    And by power plant standards, 30MW is dinky. Commercial power plants today run around a gigawatt.

    1. Re:What this takes. by Yonder+Way · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your prices are way off for PV panels. It didn't take me more than 60 seconds to find . Quantities of 12x panels that peak at 175W, $810 each. About $4.63 per watt (peak) Google will be purchasing in larger volumes than this and will no doubt get a much better price. But at this price point, the PV panels alone would be about $139M for a 30MW peak production array.

      Google will realize tax writeoffs for the whole thing, a one-time tax credit (or perhaps they will find a way to make the tax credit apply at a lower amount over multiple years), and above and beyond that they will see significantly reduced site power bills.

      The next thing they need to be looking at is average power consumption per employee and find more efficient ways to work. Putting a PC on every desk is wasteful. One fat LTSP server per department (or for multiple departments!) and a thin client on every desk would be more than enough for most people. I did this at another shop a few years ago and it worked great. It's a real shame that most people are stuck in a rut and won't try a new way of doing things .

      OK it's not a new way of doing things. The idea itself is really very old. But the technology has caught up with the idea, and it's now a very workable idea, unlike the old X terminal toasters of the early 1990's running on 10Mbps ethernet with lousy graphics chipsets and poor performance, with a couple of dozen people sharing a SPARCstation 5 (not enough machine for one person, let along 12).

  18. Re:Cost Savings.... by l3v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cost Savings

    Cost savings, cost savings, cost saving... This is why humanity's lifespan as we know it will be much shorter than it could've been. It should not be just about the money and cost saving, but about nature saving, resource saving, human saving.

    Any company who deploys renewable energy sources as a partial or total replacement, gets my support.

    And, this news is proof for one more thing: geeks should have more money, they can do the coolest things.
     

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  19. Re:Just one? by gbobeck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets conduct an experiment and investigate what will happen if duct tape is sprayed with WD-40.

    But, before we use any power tools, let's take a moment to talk about shop safety. Be sure to read, understand, and follow all the safety rules that come with your power tools. Knowing how to use your power tools properly will greatly reduce the risk of personal injury. And remember this: there is no more important safety rule than to wear these -- safety glasses and a funny hat.

    I have with me a brand new roll of duct tape, and a fresh can of WD-40. Next to me is my trusty lab assistant, Timmy, who will be assiting in this experiment.

    I am now going to rip a piece of duct tape approximately six inches long off of the roll and have Timmy hold it.

    (I rip tape and hand it to Timmy)

    Ok, Timmy, hold the tape tight, I am going to commence spraying the tape.

    (I spray the tape)

    Ok, Timmy... continue to hold it as we observe what happens.

    (wait 5 seconds)

    Timmy has told me it is starting to shake and do funny things...

    OMG! A black hole has opened where the tape was. Timmy, hold on to it... this is the crucial moment...

    Uh, oh! I think we are going to need another Timmy! It looks like Timmy was consumed by the black hole.

    Luckily, I was prepaired for this. I will now throw into the black hole a few New Kids on the Block tapes and a copy of the movie Hobgobblins. This should cause the blackhole to enter "terminal suckage phase" and end its existance.

    (I throw in the NKotB tapes and the copy of Hobgobblins. The black hole immediately ceases to be)

    Well, it looks like yet another experiment has occured.

    Tune in next week when I will show everyone how to build a perpetual energy generator using a cat and a slice of buttered toast.

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  20. Re:make a little, share a little... by hazem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nike doesn't often get good press, but they recently build a windfarm in Lakdaal, Belgium, where they have their main European distribution center. The windfarm provides 100% of the power needs of the facility, in addition to the power needs of some 8000 households.

    I'm sure google will share/sell what they don't use.

  21. Re:I love google but I call "Yippe Skip" by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Informative
    Did we cross the threshold of solar panel arrays giving off more power before the MTBF than it takes to create them?
    Yes. Quite a while ago IIRC.

    Solar power is simply a small way from being price competitive with established power generation. It is a viable energy source. It is not a net energy loss.

  22. Re:Long Term Benefit? by zcat_NZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    With a bit of luck, small dust-devils will clean off the panels and it will end up running years longer than it was designed for....

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  23. Re:Economic, not environmental. by Alioth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The energy payback on a monocrystalline panel is around 6 years. It's a long standing myth that a solar panel takes more energy to make than it generates.

  24. Re:Economic, not environmental. by hanwen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Quoting this study from 1997:

    There still seems to be a popular belief that PV systems cannot 'pay back' their energy investment. The data from recent studies show however that although for present-day systems the EPBT can still be high, it is generally well below the expected life time of a PV system

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