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Why Not Use Full Disk Encryption on Laptops?

Saqib Ali asks: "According to the 2006 Security Breaches Matrix, a large number of the data leaks were caused due to stolen/missing laptops. Mobile devices will be stolen or lost, but one way to easily mitigate the harm is to use Full Disk Encryption (FDE) on all mobile devices. So, why don't we encrypt all our HDDs?" "Cost, and performance impact are the usual arguments.

Analysis shows that the access time increases by 56%-85% after FDE. As HDDs fills up the fragmentation increases and so will the file access time. With FDE, the swap file (system's virtual memory) gets encrypted as well. This will impact the system's performance noticeably when the virtual memory is being used more often.

Encryption key & password management blues follow. What happens when the user forgets his/her new FDE password? How to manage the encryption key backup files? Who has possession of the backups of the encryption keys? What about when the users quits and does not hand over the password / encryption keys? Who can access the system and its encrypted files? How frequently does the password need to be changed? How to prevent the user from writing the passwords down? Using hardware token (RSA Token, smartcard etc) can alleviate many of the password management issues. But these hardware tokens are costly!

Cost for Full Disk Encryption solutions ranges from $0-$300.

Is it not worth using Full Disk Encryption on mobile devices after all the data leaks we have seen in the last few years?"

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  1. I'm confused by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the summary answers its own questions why even bother posting comments? Except to be a smart-ass (like me).

  2. Oh yea, I can hear it now. by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What do you mean, you can't reset my password for my hard drive. I need the data NOW!

    Really, we all know that people will forget/lose the password. Or they'll write it down and leave it in the laptop case.

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    1. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by dabraun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably should make the password change prodedure for your organization automatically backup the keys to a server at the same time so that your IT department can recover them for you.

    2. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or backup the data somewhere secure and verifiably accessible to the right people. I mean, it's a laptop and they never get lost or damaged right? :-)

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    3. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or they'll be half-autistic introvert geeks that have absolutely no problem recalling 10 digit alphanumeric passwords at all!

      I mean... A... friend of mine is like that! Yeah!

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    4. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did you ever see the Myth Buster episode where they tried to spoof a finger print reader? No matter how hard they tried, everything they attempted worked. Yes, worked. It became a big joke and they had to keep making the method "dumber", but still it kept gaining access.

      They lifted a finger print from a soda can of the "owner", then using common chemicals (like acetone), etched a copy out to a circuit board, used that as a reverse and simple ballistics gel to make a fake finger print cover that fit over their own thumb. Not something a petty thief would have, but it wasn't rocket science either. If I could get your laptop, I could get your fingerprint. Maybe even OFF the laptop. This is like writing your password down on a postit note you keep with the laptop.

      Finger print readers are probably one of the worst biometric devices you can have for security. Oh, and the device they tested was a VERY expensive door lock system, not some $100 USB device.

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    5. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by bluephone · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fingerprint door lock also opened with what was essentially a photocopy of the fingerprint too. A lot easier to store in your wallet and slip by security with than a gelatin finger. :)

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    6. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by BVis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two reasons why that approach wouldn't work:

      #1 The unions would never go for it. I've worked at governmental agencies that couldn't make basic computer literacy a condition of employment, because of the union.

      #2 It attempts to solve a problem by demanding that people be responsible for their own idiocy. What happens when the Big Boss writes down his password? Trust me, the only guy getting fired for that is the IT guy who tries to enforce the policy.

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    7. Re:Oh yea, I can hear it now. by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If they forget a password and lose data, terminate their employment.

      You are not a manager, clearly. Termination of someone's employment will cost your company a lot of money, time and lost opportunity (unless you wanted to get rid of that employee anyway; then you have your excuse.) People are trained to do their jobs, and they are not as replaceable as an elevator operator might be. Some people train for years to do certain things, and they become really good in their area of expertise. They may be highly paid (and valued) engineers, leading designs and themselves managing projects. If such a person forgets the password what do you do, fire him and cancel the already announced release of a new product, which the customers already paid for and the delivery is due in weeks, and penalties for failure to deliver would be immense? If you fire the guy, you will be kicked out of your job so hard you will overtake him on your trajectory to the door.

      What a real manager does is this. He tries to understand how this happened, and then does his best to prevent this from happening again. This may require a private chat with the person, or an official department-wide training. The data... the data is lost already, and it's foolish to make it worse by firing the guy who is best to recreate it. Your job, as a manager, is to get the job done. Firing people in a fit of rage is not the way to do it.

  3. Security vs Convenience by Retardican · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the key management problems have actually been solved. PGP disk for a long time had the ability to encrypt using multiple keys, fraction keys (eg. 3 out of 5 must have their keys to open), key expiration, etc.

    The real problem is convenience. People don't like to use secure passphrases each time they turn on their computer. How many people actually used the BIOS password feature? An easier thing would be to use some identification based (USB fob, fingerprint scanner) access, but the acceptance rate of those are very small.

    Unless security is important to them personally, people just don't care. (checking under my keyboard for the root password for all the machines at work)

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    1. Re:Security vs Convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting


      People don't like to use secure passphrases each time they turn on their computer. How many people actually used the BIOS password feature?


      because BIOS passwords are extremely insecure. If were talking about mobile devices, and you have a BIOS password protecting valuable information, its as easy as removing the CMOS battery, waiting 15 seconds, and popping it back in.


      An easier thing would be to use some identification based (USB fob, fingerprint scanner) access

      Yes but these things are generaly expensive. When you have to buy 1000+ laptops (as I have to do) an extra $30-$40 per laptop quickly adds up, not to mention the added cost of Software (Unfortunaly, linux isnt always an option when dealing with custom propritary software required for bussiness)

      The real problem normaly stems from over-zealous Managers who insist on changing passwords every 30 days, which leads to people (ie the common work drone) unable to remember ever-changing passwords. IMHO, it would be much more secure to have everyone figure out a strong SINGLE password for their important files, and not change it very often, say every 6 months. This gives them time to memorize it, and NOT write it down.

      For example, i have two passwords I use everywhere, (and various modifications of such passwords for various purposes) my crap one I use for fourms, internet stuff, and my secure one I will probably take a good 10 minuites of torture to give up (low tolerance for pain ;) As of yet, the secure one has never been broken, and only through social engineering has the insecure one been broken. Ive done this for 16+ years now, and I can count on my hand the number of times its been broken.

  4. It should be done. by woolio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I for one, do use full encryption... Suits me just fine...

    But then again, I use linux. Encryption is actually pretty simple under it for people who actually know how to admin a Linux system.

    At one time, I even ran Win2k under VMware from an image on the encrypted disk. Which means the *ENTIRE* win2k "partition" was encrypted -- something that I understand to be impossible when run natively.

    The real reasons why most don't do it?

    1) Ignorance -- it is not a built-in feature in Windows
    2) Hassle -- overtasked IT professionals aren't going to incur extra liability for encrypting a disk, handling lost passwods, etc. (It would be really bad to forget the password)
    3) Performance -- Encrypted disks aren't good for high I/O apps... Fortunately, most apps aren't!

    I sleep much better, knowing that my data is safe even if I loose possession of it. I have no qualms about storing tax returns, financial records, etc on my laptop.

    1. Re:It should be done. by PacoTaco · · Score: 4, Funny

      But then again, I use linux. Encryption is actually pretty simple under it for people who actually know how to admin a Linux system.

      Likewise, constructing plasma weapons is actually pretty simple for people who actually know how to build compact fusion reactors.

  5. OSX Makes it Easy by Above · · Score: 5, Informative

    System Preferences -> Security. Click "turn on file vault". A few minutes later, you're done.

    Also check "Use secure virtual memory" (aka encrypt swap) on the same tab.

    Now swap and your home directory (so all important data) is encrypted. The OS and applications are not. As a result performance degredation is minimal.

    In the business enviornment the business can set a recovery password in case the user forgets, dies, whatever. The user's login password is the only password they need.

    Free. Easy to use, you do nothing. Minimal performance impact. So the real reason most people aren't doing it? They are stuck with Windows bloatware or are ignorant.

  6. This makes no sense by sheldon · · Score: 4, Informative

    What do you mean "Why don't we use full disk encryption?"

    The company I work for(financial services) has been using this for over a year now. Not just on laptops, but also all desktops in the company.

  7. Why Encrypt Everything? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Full Disk Encryption gives you the access overhead that comes with encryption/decryption for every access to the hard disk. Why not just encrypt the sensitive data if you want to avoid leaks of the sensitive data?

    Plus, a lot of the recent newsworthy leaks would be avoided or minimized by using encrypted access to sensitive databases via an application on the laptop, rather than people copying large databases of sensitive data to their laptop to take it home and work on it, and then losing the laptop.

    1. Re:Why Encrypt Everything? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why not just encrypt the sensitive data if you want to avoid leaks of the sensitive data?
      Because it is not that simple.

      Sensitive data gets dumped to the swap file, Your word/spreadsheet/e-mail/other client will dump backup/temp copies in unencrypted places, etc etc etc.

      It isn't enough just to encrypt sensitive information, you have to make sure every application that touches the info will not compromise your efforts.
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  8. It's the encrypting file system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    and it has been around since Win 2000.

    It's not really "full disk" encryption, as it applies to a single file or folder.

    See http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxp pro/deploy/cryptfs.mspx for more

  9. Re:Vista feature by Adam9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That would be BitLocker.

  10. Some data and personal perspective on that point. by Junta · · Score: 5, Informative

    This post written from a laptop with a LUKS-root filesystem. I catted a 280 MB file into dev null, it took 17.8 seconds. I copied that file to a filesystem on the exact same drive, umounted the filesystem, remounted it, and tested that, it took 12.5 seconds Top showed the crypt activity as taking about 50% of my cpu in the first case, my Pentium M at the time of measurement clocked only up to 800 MHz to accommodate the load. This test was repeated a few times with a small degree of variation.

    Anyway, those metrics are actually more different than I would have expected. I was hoping to demonstrate that the difference isn't that much, but objectively it is disk io performance hit. In general use I don't notice it. I already had a crappy hard drive that was dog slow, and in the end adding encryption made it... still a crappy hard drive that is dog slow, and the extra slowness I didn't even bother perceiving until I tried to measure it. I used this laptop for a few weeks with no encryption, and on the next install did encryption from the get go on everything from /, and didn't notice a problem at all.

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  11. Encryption enshmiption by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Funny
    I count on the contents of my thumb drive being easily readable to ensure its safe return if I lose it. I put everything in a directory tree that looks like this:
    /nuclear_bomb_plans
    /hamas_donations
    /al_qaeda_c ontacts
    That way, if I accidentally drop it somewhere, odds are that it will be returned to me by those nice boys at the FBI.
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  12. Re:I can think of one reason... by Simon80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the context of stupid employers/empoyees losing laptops with sensitive databases on them, this isn't even a question - the data should never leave company premises unless it's encrypted, end of story. The fact that this isn't standard practice indicates widespread incompetence.

  13. eCryptfs by omnirealm · · Score: 5, Informative

    A new addition to the 2.6.19 Linux kernel, eCryptfs, addresses many of these problems:

    http://ecryptfs.sf.net/

    eCryptfs is an actual filesystem operating at the VFS layer of the Linux kernel. It stacks on top of other filesystems like ext3 and encrypts files one at a time, with each file getting its own key.

    Who cares about encrypting libc or the x.org libraries? People want to encrypt their financial, medical, and other such data. eCryptfs makes it easy to encrypt only what users want to encrypt.

    Some ways that eCryptfs deals with the issues raised:

    What happens when the user forgets his/her new FDE password?

    The best answer is, ``You're screwed.'' That is the way it should be; without the secret, nobody -- not even you -- can get to the data.

    Now, out here in reality, things can't be quite that convenient. Try telling the CEO that his third-quarter reports are lost forever. The next-best thing is intelligent key escrow. I tend to recommend (m,n)-threshold sharing, wherein a certain number of people in a group need to collude (say, 3 out of 5 people in the company) in order to reconstruct the secret value.

    eCryptfs userspace tools have a pluggable key management infrastructure, and thus it can keep the secret value in any token device for which a module exists. These hardware devices do not need to be expensive. In fact, Thinkpads come with TPM chips built-in, and a TPM key module already exists for eCryptfs:

    http://trousers.sourceforge.net/tpm_keyring2/quick start.html

    How to manage the encryption key backup files?> Who has possession of the backups of the encryption keys? What about when the users quits and does not hand over the password / encryption keys?

    All of these are addressed with something like (m,n)-threshold sharing:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing

    Also, because eCryptfs encrypts on a per-file basis, an incremental backup utility can just access the encrypted files on the lower filesystem. All of the information needed to decrypt the files is right in the header of each file; all you need is the key.

    Who can access the system and its encrypted files?

    This is a semantic security problem that the tools should definitely address. eCryptfs, in its current form, provides fairly flexible key management options, but the design goals of eCryptfs are much more ambitious, and they seek to address these sorts of issues:

    http://ecryptfs.sourceforge.net/ecryptfs.pdf

    How frequently does the password need to be changed?

    Ideally, one would use eCryptfs in public key mode, so that is largely a non-issue. The secret can remain locked in a TPM chip, and the key can be escrowed.

    How to prevent the user from writing the passwords down?

    There is nothing wrong with writing passwords down, as long as the paper on which the passwords are written is stored in a location that can be made at least as secure as is necessary to protect the data that the passwords are protecting. In any event, the secret value can depend on a password *and* something else, like a file. The OpenSSL key module can be used in that way.

    Using hardware token (RSA Token, smartcard etc) can alleviate many of the password management issues. But these hardware tokens are costly!

    Not really; many laptops shipped today have TPM chips built-in.

    Oh, yeah, and all of eCryptfs -- both the kernel and userspace components -- are GPL. Give it a try.

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  14. Physical Security... by evilviper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is slightly off the topic, but in the same vein...

    I continue to wonder, after every major laptop theft, why NOBODY is working on physical security.

    Notebook hard drives are easily pocket-sized, and the only thing keeping the hard drive from sliding out of most laptops is the thin plastic shell of the unit. Build laptops with a very simple hinging door over the drive would be absolutely trivial. You probably also want to add thin aluminum shell around the drive to protect it from static discharge and other abuse.

    Then, you tell employees to keep the drive in their pockets when they go into public. If it's really critical data, attaching a retractable cable (as seen attached to your janitor's keyring) between your belt and the drive will stop all but the most skilled, equiped and determined theives.

    It's as if everyone in IT has forgotten the lessons learned from the past several thousand years of (physical) security developments.

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  15. Stupid idea. by kosmosik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To encrypt entire disk it is a stupid idea. Few points:

    - Performance - encrypting everything (cache, program files and so on) is a serious hit on performance, now you can say that hardware/performance it is not a problem. But don't say it to me when I see brand new laptop booting long time since you can login and launching MS Office in *few* seconds.

    - Anyway why encrypt everything when it is the data (and not all of it) that you want to encrypt?

    - Hassle - I mean when it is an option to just tick "encrypt my harddrive" checkbox it is paradoxically way to easy. You can imagine every clueless marketing staff member just ticking it to encrypt their worthless data. It is good that hard encryption is bit "hard" (like you need to provide a password and a key and have a clue what is going on) so people will use it only when they need it, so they will probably remember their passwords.

    My boss asked me for this feature. I've just installed TrueCrypt for this. Told him to click on this icon and *remember* his password (probably he wrote it down and locked in a safe - perfectly normal and wise) so he can get his "special safe disk" for his important documents.

  16. For a corporate environment... by Junta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to use LUKS as my example, since the classic cryptoloop and older dm-crypt stuff can't do this.

    The solution is for IT to have a person perform the install (already was going to be hard not to do so with the current state of installers). The IT person makes a master copy of the key using the company's chosen password, and uses a different key slot for the employee-known password. When password changes occur, IT people have to go and change the IT-friendly key slot to the new password, but leave the employee's alone. Then IT can recover data from laptops at user requests. This doesn't guarantee data recovery from a system if the user who can change the password on their own key slot doesn't want them to, but if the user wants to play nice to keep IT able to assist them it can work. If the user botches the IT key slot and needs recovery, tough. Data on a laptop in that circumstance should be relatively transient if remotely important, with the real copies on file servers where IT can manage backup and recovery as they see fit.

    At work the mandate for Windows laptops is to use the built in encrypted folders mechanism, which is a lot like encfs. If they loose their user password for the account the data is gone, and this is just a fact of life they have to live with. One person went further and put some third-party whole disk encryption on their Windows laptop, a la dm-crypt, but I don't know if it is like classic dm-crypt setups where the key itself is simply a hash of the password, or if it is LUKS style, where the key is random (or at least psuedo-random) and itself is encrypted using the hash of passwords, allowing for trivial password changes and multiple valid passwords.

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  17. Not a good defense by Junta · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the fingerprint and user authentication in the world is a poor defense against someone ripping out the drive, which is easy if the laptop is stolen. That's why it is generally a larger issue on laptops than desktops. Desktops tied to your desk at work have whatever physical security the company has invested in protecting it, leaving it open only to the possiblity of remote attackers (well, within reason, the physical security can be bypassed, but assume a perfect company for discussion). The whole threat of a laptop is physical security breaches, otherwise the discussion wouldn't be laptop-centered. As to not putting confidential stuff on laptops, it is a good idea, but that is a policy rooted in trusting the user to always be vigilant about the confidentiality of the data set they are working, trusting their judgment, and expecting them not to take convenient short cuts at 5pm on a Friday so they can get it done on the weekend without staying late or looking bad on Monday. I use full disk encryption so I don't have to even think about it. I'm fairly sure I have nothing on my laptop remotely of interest to anyone, but I never have to think too hard about it.

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  18. FDE is in use in my workplace by jahurska · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work as a SW consultant for the mobile sector and all laptops in our firm have encrypted hard drives. The system is so that username and password is asked right when the laptop is booted kinda like bios password and after windows is loaded it automatically logins you to windows with those credentials. It's easy to use, no need to remember any additional passwords and also added benefit is that the administrators can login into it with their credentials if a user forgets his password.

    The performance hit is real and noticeable though, but mostly affects hard drive related tasks, so that does not hinder my working too much.

    Also all firms that I have been dealing with use encrypted laptops, so in my perspective the FDE is pretty widely used already :).

  19. Because it's a pain on Linux by IO+ERROR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Encrypting your whole disk on Linux is somewhere between a minor pain and a complete nightmare. Support for it doesn't even exist on certain high-profile commercial distros (Red Hat) which you would THINK would have had it long ago because it's something their customers would want.

    I had to put together my own unofficial packages to get an encrypted root filesystem on Fedora Core 5. (And then it broke on FC6, so no upgrading yet...) In theory, the support will officially be in Fedora Core 7, but there's still a bunch of code to be written between now and then.

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    1. Re:Because it's a pain on Linux by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Encrypted filesystems are not the same thing as full disk encryption. FDE also encrypts partition tables, boot sectors, etc... everything, and typically requires some kind of hardware assistance like a TPM chip. There is also "mostly" full disk encryption which has an unecrypted boot record but has everything else encrypted.

      The point of a FDE is that your encryption keys are locked in a TPM chip of some sort, and you can't retrieve them with software. Encrypted filesystems require your boot partition have the encryption keys unencrypted so that they can be read, which sort of mitigates the whole point.

    2. Re:Because it's a pain on Linux by tftp · · Score: 4, Informative
      I have a laptop here which had a failure of the +5V power supply. The input was +16V (one of IBM Thinkpads), and when applied to a 5V-rated circuits it fried /everything/ in the notebook. I tested the drive - it's dead like a doornail.

      There are several ways to encrypt the data on the HDD, and everything depends on how it is done. If you used a 3rd party s/w with a key that is generated from your passphrase then you are good. Just use the same s/w on the replacement computer, and it ought to recognize the drive.

      Unfortunately, MS encrypted folders use a key that is uniquely generated for your account, and once you lose the account (on the dead computer) you can't decrypt anything. There are ways to add corporate keys to the system, so that in a company setting it's possible to recover the data; however this is /way/ beyond abilities of a typical user.

      Finally, if the TCA is used then the TCA engine and the HDD controller can negotiate crypto keys, and the HDD can encrypt and decrypt data as it writes or reads the platters. This method is very secure because it ties several identities together (the TCA core, the internal HDD key data, the user's password, the account's GUID etc.) and I don't think it's worth trying to break. The good news is that I don't know of any computers today that can do this; maybe Vista will offer this.

    3. Re:Because it's a pain on Linux by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      There are ways to add corporate keys to the system, so that in a company setting it's possible to recover the data; however this is /way/ beyond abilities of a typical user.

      Actually, it's trivial to export the keys so you can decrypt the files from a different machine. The problem is that this functionality is not mentioned the first time you encrypt a folder, so you only find out about it when you lose days.

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  20. PGP Whole Disk Encryption by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://forums.pgpsupport.com/viewforum.php?f=54&si d=749efb5b59855bac7e1a06eda016e4a9

    If you need a reason why people aren't encrypting their disks, visit the PGP Whole Disk Encryption forum and take your pick.

  21. Re:Vista feature by mr100percent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mac OS X has had filevault for years now...

    Hard Drive encryption on the fly, and "Company administrators can set up a computer-wide master password as a safeguard in the event someone forgets his or her login password. This can be useful for computer or system administrators whose users either forget their passwords or in corporate situations where an employee is no longer with the company and the data left behind needs to be recovered."

  22. context by pruss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a number of contexts, loss of data is a more serious concern than loss of confidentiality. For the vast majority of self-generated data on my hard drive, I would be seriously inconvenienced by the loss of the data, but would not at all mind the data becoming public. For a significantly smaller amount of data, I would seriously mind the data becoming public, but I would more mind losing the data. Only a very small fraction of data on my computer is such that I would mind the data becoming public more than I would losing it.

    In such a context, given that FDE makes data recovery harder and more time-consuming, it can make sense to encrypt only that tiny fraction of data where one would more mind its becoming public than one's losing it. In other contexts, it will be different.

  23. Trade off... by Junta · · Score: 4, Informative

    The traditional method dm-crypt and cryptoloop used was basically what you say, a hash of the password was used to encrypt the entire disk. Of course, no one ever devised a way to change the password in place, and even if they did, it would require all data on the disk to be re-encrypted. The key used to actually encrypt the data would likely be cryptographically weaker to crack, in theory. If you ever ever write down the password (I don't but some do) and then lose the paper, you can never be sure about the security of your data again short of re-encrypting the whole thing. I think this is probably the single thing people not researching it thoroughly misunderstand, if the technology you see is definitely encryption of a large data set, and you can essentially instantly change the password protecting it, the key used to encrypt the actual data is certainly not the password itself, as it requires a huge amount of effort to change the key on large amounts of encryted data.

    In the LUKS scheme the key material used for the very large data set will probably be more cryptographically sound. With a large data set, cryptographically weak keys could more likely be crackable than strong keys, in a large number of the type of attacks historically seen in cryptography. A small data set (data comprised only of the actual key) is generally more resistant to data analysis attacks, so a somewhat weaker password hash based key may be less exposed in that context. If you ever think a malicious user has had opportunity to get your password (the most likely thing in general for an attacker to get), you can change the password and the old key slot be shredded such that the knowledge obtained becomes useless. Sure, the 'master password' being compromised would mean the disk is irrevocably compromised, but that would be the case in the classical strategy anyway, since changing the password isn't feasible. Now if you want to actually re-encrypt data in the way a password change would require in the previous example, you can always reformat with a different key (or re-encrypt in place if implementation allowed), and have the same degree of 'changing the master password' as you put it.

    Keep in mind the 'master password' (or rather the actual key) in this context is probably a random 256 bit value. To achieve a comparable level of randomness, a password consisting of typable characters would have to be about 40 characters long consisting of completely random keypresses. If a person is ever in a position to actually get that master key value, you've already lost the data because before they can get to that key they have to:
    -Get root privilges while the volume is mounted to get dmsetup table output, but if it's mounted they could just grab the data anyway.
    -Get low-level physical access to your hardware to begin to crack the LUKS header of the partition or the content itself. If they are in a position to do so, they could/would image your entire volume and return your drive. In which case no matter what you do to the copy you got back (re-encrypt, change password, whatever), they can continue whatever crypto-analysis they want on their image of the data as it was when they first took it. You may be able to protect newly written data, but whatever risk of breaking the encryption on existing data is permanently there once imaging is possible.
    -Get low-level access to your system and somewhere along the chain insert something to dump the key material to them once available. Again, once this is in play, it's already over no matter what you do, if they can dump that table, they can dump the data directly. In this case, let's assume one of those keyboard bugs slashdot had an article a while back was discovered by you in your system. Knowing that your passphrase is potentially compromised, with the key not based directly on the password, but just encrypted by the password, you can re-encrypt the key once the bug is removed and shred the old slot, and their keylog data becomes useless for the purposes of defeating your filesystem encryption. If the master key is essentially whatever you typed, you are significantly more hosed.

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  24. Re:Some data and personal perspective on that poin by lky · · Score: 4, Informative

    For anyone that wants to experiment with Debian, DM-Crypt and Luks, check out the howtos and/or the USB installer at http://feraga.com./

    I've been running lately from a USB Flash Drive (1GB) with everything but /boot encrypted for over a year and haven't had a issue. I'm sure its a little slower but dont notice it much.

    This also allows you to leave a full installation with no private or incriminating data on the hard drive so if they ask to see the laptop......just let them.

  25. It is not a pain if you have FUSE by Pausanias · · Score: 4, Interesting
    No. You should read up on a nifty module (included in the mainline kernel) called FUSE. It lets a you mount various devices/files as private file systems.

    The most incredibly useful application of this is sshfs, which basically lets you mount a remote machine as a filesystem without being root (as long as the FUSE kernel module is loaded). This has caused a huge productivity increase for me.

    There is also an encrypted file system that runs under FUSE

    http://arg0.net/users/vgough/encfs

    So, you basically can have a big encrypted file lying around which you mount as a file system when you need it. The keys are encrypted in a separate control file, so there are no unencrypted keys lying around. You need both the pass phrase and the encrypted key file to mount the big file as an FS.

    Encrypted filesystems require your boot partition have the encryption keys unencrypted so that they can be read, which sort of mitigates the whole point.