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WoW Burning Crusade Delayed until January 2007

Wowzer writes "Blizzard today announced that the release date for World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, the first expansion for World of Warcraft, is delayed until January 2007. From the article: 'By adding a few extra weeks to the development cycle beyond its original target date, Blizzard will be able to extend the closed beta test and further refine the new content that will ship with the game.' While disappointing now, what will this mean for the yearly WoW expansions long term? As Blizzard COO Paul Sams revealed plans in August that 'Starting with The Burning Crusade, every year thereafter we plan on bringing out a new expansion set.' 2008, 2009, ad infinitum?"

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  1. not so surprised... by Nicaboker · · Score: 2

    and as disappointing as this is I'm almost glad, this gives me a chance to actually get some good game play in and get my character leveled up and a chance to make the addiction worse..

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    1. Re:not so surprised... by muffen · · Score: 4, Informative

      The game is constantly made easier so that "catching up" is always possible, the hard part is to get the last few items you need.
      Anyone who's been in a guild in WoW should know how long it took to run through BWL for example say 8 - 12 months ago compared to now. Not sure how the american servers are doing right now but on the EU servers there has been a big dropoff from the larger guilds. Blizzard _needs_ this expansion or I think they will start loosing a lot of subscribers.
      Alot of it is their own fault, they are saying blue items in BC are better than epic items pre-BC, thereby removing the need to obtain the high-end raiding items at the moment. Looking at the amount of time you need to invest to get any decent raiding-items, you are simply better off getting to level 60 before BC comes, and the levelling up with your guild/friends.

      Personally I cancelled my accounts, simply because I got bored.

    2. Re:not so surprised... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      GO and kill the wild boars in the forest.
      By my reckoning, you can gain the required 38 levels after only 4796.5 hours of constant killing.

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    3. Re:not so surprised... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They have to make it easier and easier over time, or nobody will come and start anew, knowing that they will never ever catch up and reach that supersezzy new content. They'd rather turn to some other MMORPG (it's not like there's only one medieval-styled MMORPG on the market...).

      I know how much this sucks, and it drove me away from other MMORPGs in the past. Personally I'd be very happy with a more or less "stable" universe, with the occasional new content to keep people entertained. Hell, with good PvP you can even reach that goal by redesigning the PvP areas every now and then, without the need to actually generate a ton of new content!

      What really ticks me off in "modern" MMORPGs is the carebear attitude towards the players. Why don't they just hand out everything to everyone?

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    4. Re:not so surprised... by Graywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What really ticks me off in "modern" MMORPGs is the carebear attitude towards the players. Why don't they just hand out everything to everyone?

      I think this carebear attitude is why Blizzard got the millions of subscribers and billions of cash. It's the wide appeal of the game and the "no real penalties for losing" gameplay that attracts most people to the game. Compare this to the number of EVE players, where you can literally lose your ship and money (and hence "lose" time played). EVE is more interesting for "hardcore" players, but not as "newbie-friendly", which inherently limits the player base.

    5. Re:not so surprised... by gweihir · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but EVE is far, far to repetitive for me. Sure, it looks nice, but after 3 dys into the trial, I git seriously bired with allways the same missions....

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    6. Re:not so surprised... by Fozzyuw · · Score: 4, Funny
      What really ticks me off in "modern" MMORPGs is the carebear attitude towards the players. Why don't they just hand out everything to everyone?

      I'm always amused at the term 'carebear'. As if it was some sort of insult to use it, either towards another person, idea, or action. Can you think of getting into a fight and be like... "Oh yeah?!? Well, you're... you're... a BIG carebare! HA! Take that! Mwuahahaha *walks away gleefully as if scoring some major victory*".

      Ironically, it's been my experiance that those people who have used this term to insult things, act more childish than the actions or people it's being used upon.

      Cheers,
      Fozzy

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    7. Re:not so surprised... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't mind cooperation with other players. Actually, that's what I'm looking for. Unfortunately, "carebear" games (i.e. games where the game creator makes sure you don't have to feel any hard edges and stuffs you in bubblewrap) support the radically opposite kind of player: The greedy, selfish prick.

      Let's take two very different (from a "carebear" attitude point of view) MMORPGs. EQ (the original one) and WoW.

      In EQ, dying meant you lose ... everything! All your gear dropped to the ground, and if you could not get it back within a week, it's gone for good. Quests and encounters that actually REQUIRED you to use loopholes to be successful. There were quests where the dev team said flat out "We don't have a clue how to beat it. Good luck.". And a few more things that made this game simply and plainly unfairly evil and hard. I guess you could not get less "carebeary" than EQ was.

      On the other end of the spectrum you find WoW. A minor loss in XP, "damage" to your equipment (which you kept) and if you're too lazy to get your gear back, the worst thing that happens to you is more damage to it. In a nutshell, you lose a little XP and gold. Quests are meant to be solved with a pre determined number of players and, let's be blunt here, that can be scripted if you're a halfway decent coder.

      Now, when I look back at the playerbase of EQ, I'd be hard pressed to find real assholes. Sure, you had the occasional player or even group that was either loonies or outright bastards, but few of them survived for long. Simple reason: Being a jerk did not pay off. You DID need the other players, if for nothing else then for getting your gear back from the peak of mount whatever, within that certain week. Being a jerk meant that nobody would go out of his way and risk his gear for yours. I've seen raid parties of 30+ people tank their way through days worth of, from their point of view, "needless" quests, just to get the gear of one person back. Because you simply knew that he would do the same, or maybe he even already did.

      In WoW... I've seen more jerks, idiots, morons and simple flat out assholes in that 4 months I played it than in my whole EQ time.

      That's what I don't like about carebear games. They let you get away with being a jerk.

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    8. Re:not so surprised... by Aceticon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A carebear in a MMORPG is someone which would rather not spend several hours doing a repetitive task in order to get some random rare drop.

      In my experience, carebears are usually people that don't have that much time available for playing games and which often in their real lifes have to "spend several hours doing a repetitive task" (for example, adults with jobs) so they're hardly keen on going online only to do some other repetitive tasks.


      Ironically, it's been my experiance that those people who have used this term to insult things, act more childish than the actions or people it's being used upon.

      In my experience, those that accuse others of being carebears are those which have plenty of free time and have no problem with doing the same thing over and over again to get some random rare drop. Typically these are NOT adults with jobs, and given the demographics of the online gaming comunity (there are not that many retired folks playing online) are mostly teenagers and kids.

      It's thus hardly surprising that those accusing others of being carebears act childish in comparisson with the carbears, since those making the accusation tend to be immature teens and kids while those being accused tend to be adults.

      PS (offtopic): Personally the thing that mostly turns me off of MMORPGs (and i've played quite a number over the years, including WoW) is having to deal with kids and immature teens hidding behind the anonymity of an online avatar. There are a couple of problems i see in mixing adults and non-adults in an online RPGs:
      1. Most acts of online vandalism and harassment that i have seen (and, more rarelly, been the victim of) were commited by people that were clearly kids or teens (judging from their language). Even when it comes to normal communication, kids and teens are the most prone to loose their temper or resort to gratuitous insults or bad language. More in general, kids and teens are given to all sorts of posturing behaviours (in which, due to their own lack of self-confidence, they try to assert themselfs by acting in ways they believe are bold) that are unpleasant to others
      2. The ideal MMORPG for those with plenty of free time in their hands is different than the one for those with little free time and a day job. Game publishers keep trying to lean both ways, often leaving both groups dissatisfied.
      3. Teens and kids (especially kids) tend to be inexperienced and simple minded in the ways of tactics and strategy. They also tend to lack self-control and discipline. Whenever doing PvP or PvE with a PUG (Pick Up Group - more or less random group of players which are not used to playing with each other), very often the group fails due to one or two people that can't work well with the group. Although i personally use this to my advantage in online FPSs (i have fast reflexes for a "grown-up" plus i'm beter at placing myself in the game so i'm often in the top 3 even though the game is full of teens with faster reflexes), when working with a group in an online RPG this can be very frustrating

      Personally i would love that MMORPGs had the option to join adults-only servers (just call it "casual gamer server" otherwise every teenager will try to get in).
    9. Re:not so surprised... by Fozzyuw · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is, the term 'carebear' is a created internet term, much like w00t, pawn, haxxor, leet, and others are. To this degree, there's no standard definition for it, and it's open to be used or abused in sentaces that don't properly phase the word to it's original means.

      Carebear was always implied 'childish' behavoir or actions as The Carebears was a popular childrens cartoon in the 1980's. It was used to insult people who would yell and scream at someone for 'killing' their character. I believe this was back in the Ultima days when PvP was open and easy. If you're missed those days, then maybe you've seen the South Park episode featuring WoW? You know that half naked guy running around killing people for no reason? Well, it was kind of like that. The grief would call the people he griefed 'carebears' because they would complain and yell at him for loosing, like a child would cry if they lost at a sport.

      So, in the wonderful world of online gaming and RPG's, two terms where developed to insult the other people. "Griefer" and "Carebear". A person would call someone a "griefer" if they would kill you repeatedly and a person who complained (ie. cried about) at being killed repeatadly would be called a "carebear". Of course, in Ultima, that game mechanic was possible.

      Of course, these terms survived and moved into EQ and all the games to be spawned after it. The term became associated with "easy" as games started to restrict the ability to kill others, such as requiring an accepted duel or special areas that a player could 'choose' to enter. Thus the 'griefers' where killed off and in their anger claimed that such games where too "carebear" to play because there was no threat of grief. Not surprisingly, the player base increased dramatically when such restrictions where part of the game model. Though, to cater to the Ultima fans, EQ and the following games created special servers that allowed open fighting and killing, usually after a certain, very low level. This of course, lead to the popular (and hilarious) story of Fansy the Bard.

      Since then, games have tried to cater to the Player vs Player fan base, who liked the idea of danger and suspense when anyone could attack you. Dark Age of Camelot, who's game was designed with restricted areas for PvP combat, created an all open PvP server where anyone could fight anyone at any time. I even tried this server, but didn't last past the first level of open combat as it was just too annoying after I got my quick thrills of griefing. This became famous for showing how over powered the Enchanter class was, as it had a magic casting pet with no line of sight restriction, allowing it to attack you from far away without recourse. It also became famous for the small city of Mag Mel(sp?), where you could resurect and continue fighting. Ultimatly, the server numbers dwindelled to next to nothing because, due to game mechnics, you had very little chance, and players had very little reason, to let you level to the maxium level and have a fair(er) playing field. It's all part of the video game 'God' complex. Of course, at that time, those in support of PvP DAoC servers would call who critizied them 'carebears'.

      So, there's a brief history, as I know it, of the term "carebear". And that's why it's not a very good use of the term when calling a game carebear, as a game cannot complain about the way people use it. Of course, if games where real, I could see Shadowbane calling WoW a carebear while Ultima Online kills them both. hehe

      For more issues that Ultima faced, you can read some on Wikipedia.

      Cheers,
      Fozzy

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  2. Oh Well... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess teenage "Thrombo The Orcslayer" will need to sheath his "Daemon Warblade" and come down from his bedroom over Christmas and join mum, dad and Auntie Flo for a family game of Monopoly this year then.

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  3. In related news... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...sociologists predict many more marriages will now survive the Christmas season.

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  4. Ad infinitum? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I knew it, Blizzard has no plans whatsoever to make games anymore. As long as WoW is played, Blizzard are not developers, they are simply maintainers. Don't take this the wrong way though, would you or I honestly continue to make new games if we're constantly making billions on one game?

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    1. Re:Ad infinitum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering the fact that it's confirmed that they have an unannounced project , it can't be true .

      And every game they produced since Warcaft:orcs and humans has been a masterpiece , they take great pride and joy in making these games .

    2. Re:Ad infinitum? by gsslay · · Score: 3, Informative
      I knew it, Blizzard has no plans whatsoever to make games anymore. As long as WoW is played, Blizzard are not developers, they are simply maintainers.

      And what's the problem with this? If you like WoW, aren't bored with it, then the news that Blizzard plan to keep updating it is good news.

      And if want to try another game, there are other companies eager for your custom.

    3. Re:Ad infinitum? by muffen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Blizzard went down the drain when Vivendi bought them. A bunch of good developers left during the "vivendi taking over" phase, so my guess is that we will see the "blizz-like" games coming from other places and not blizzard themselves.

      From Wikipedia:
      A significant number of key employees have left Blizzard over the years. Many of these have gone to create gaming companies of their own. Some of these companies are:
      * Flagship Studios[2], currently working on Hellgate London.[3]
      * ArenaNet[4], creator of Guild Wars.[5]
      * Ready At Dawn Studios[6], creator of Daxter.
      * Red 5 Studios[7], currently working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.
      * Castaway Entertainment[8], currently working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.
      * Hyboreal Games[9], Working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.[10]

      Notice the part where it says "A significant number of key employees"!

    4. Re:Ad infinitum? by Compulsion · · Score: 3, Informative

      A confirmed, unannounced game? "Yeah, we're DEFINITELY working on SOMETHING..."

      Let's look at Blizzard's history:
      # The Lost Vikings (1992)
      # Rock & Roll Racing (1993)
      # Blackthorne (1994)
      # The Death and Return of Superman (1994)
      # Warcraft (1994)
      # The Lost Vikings II (1995)
      # Warcraft II (1995)
      # Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (1996)
      # Diablo (1996)
      # StarCraft (1998)
      # StarCraft: Brood War (1998)
      # Diablo II (2000)
      # Diablo II: Lord of Destruction (2001)
      # Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (2002)
      # Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (2003)
      # World of Warcraft (2004)
      # World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (2007)

      Until WoW, we're seeing a game or expansion (and Blizzard's expansions are usually pretty large) every year, except '97 and '99. And a new franchise or full-fledged sequel every two years.

      Since WoW? Two years+ and nothing new, including expansions. Probably not a new game until at least 2008. So we're looking at at least a four year gap between new games from Blizzard. That's half their already-slow (in the gaming industry, at least) output.

      Blizzard is one of the solid-gold gaming companies out there. They're tied up making mmorpgs (ok..and cash, hand-over-fist) instead of making games I want to play. C'mon, where's Diablo 3? Where's the new, exciting property? I know there are only so many talented designers out there, and they're tied up feeding the cash cow. But take a few of them off WoW and put them on something the rest of us want to play.

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    5. Re:Ad infinitum? by drik00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      i think the thing everyone seems to forget is that i dont think Bliz was ready for the success that WoW has achieved. 7million subscribers? I can see them having to alter their plans in order to accomodate success like that.

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  5. 2008, 2009, ad infinitum? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, as long as the players will pay for it.
    From an economic point of view, Blizzard would be crazy not to milk WOW for as much money as possible. And economic points of view are important to corporations ;-)

    Of course (and half off topic), it would be smart to use some of that money and invest in something new, because at some point people will get tired of WOW.

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    1. Re:2008, 2009, ad infinitum? by matt328 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course (and half off topic), it would be smart to use some of that money and invest in something new, because at some point people will get tired of WOW.

      That's actually the first thing I thought when I read this. Who says WoW will even be around in 2009? Games like this are a fad. In a few years they'll be made fun of alongside facebook and myspace on I love the 00s on VH1. I can see that boring deadpan guy talking about it already.

      "Yeah I remember WoW. It was this game that you just played and played and played. You played for thousands of hours only to realize the only thing to do was play some more. Nothing got in the way of WoW. Wife bugging you? You divorced her. Boss keeps calling because you missed work, you quit your job. What was I supposed to do? My friends' characters were going to die. I saved their lives."

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  6. I am NOT addicted. by mhazen · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm not addicted, I'm a level 51 dwarven priest.

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    1. Re:I am NOT addicted. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I'm an AD&D player - dwarves can't be priests.

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  7. Christmas dinner by strike_svl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean that millions of people will be able to attend the Christmas family dinner after all... ?

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    1. Re:Christmas dinner by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Millions of additional turkeys/goose will now lose their lives thanks to Blizzard's incompetence.

      PETA is going to open a can of whoopass.

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  8. Re:Cashing In by mhazen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You must be new to the MMO business model. That's standard practice in the MMO business.

    Your claim is sort of like saying that just because you paid for WindowsXP you should have free access to every new piece of software Microsoft releases, because by god, you already PAID for Windows.

    If you don't want to pay for the expansion, you can keep playing WoW all you like without the expansion pack. If the subscription fee is an issue for you, you can always play an offline RPG. There's nothing untoward about a company charging for the thousands of hours of dev time and expense to offer (what sounds like) a significant expansion, though.

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  9. Thank you Blizzard by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank you for moving the release of this product until after Christmas. By doing so you have enabled my long lost WoW addicted relatives to make a meaningful appearance during the holiday season. There are few things more frustrating than having 2 people ask at the dinner table if they can use your computer.

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  10. Warcraft is the favorite son by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WoW players should feel lucky that the expansion pack was only pushed back until 2007 and not indefinitely like every starcraft project...

  11. I'm not sure why this is"ad infinitum" by Benanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand how this is so 'new' to everyone. EverQuest has something like 11 expansions now for it; previous MMO games also had expansions. But apparently, when Blizzard does it, it's novel or something.

    All of the EQ expansions cost 30 USD or so when they first came out; there have been roll-up packs for those who were behind the curve.

    I quit after the 6th (when Gates of Discord came out; my machine couldn't handle it and I was tiring of the game.) I haven't looked back. I've since switched to Ubuntu, and it helps me resist the rare urge to go back.

  12. Link directly to the source by Thaelon · · Score: 4, Informative
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  13. Well by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On one hand they are foolhardy for doing this, on the other it is a brave decision to improve the game. Almost every shop around here is full of WoW stuff leading up to christmas - the 15 day trial packs are literally flying off shelves which shows they will have more than enough new players getting the game for christmas and joining in. However there would have been a huge upsell market for the Burning Crusade pack if it was released in time for Christmas, granted most people who play Warcraft will eventually pick it up but Christmas would have been a perfect time for Blizzard to cash in on both new gamers and existing players.

    However, by choosing to delay it they have put the playability of the game over the profit they could make by throwing it out there and just continually patching it up to standard (cough, Gothic 3, EA, cough). I'm quite happy to see a game studio finally taking the time to make a game good before cashing in on it, instead of throwing out whatever they have done to make the sales that will occur anyway. I just have to wonder whether this will be the last delay we will see for Burning Crusade, or whether more lay in wait in development hell.

  14. Second thoughts about UI restriction? by StreetStealth · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think there's a popular hope out there that perhaps this delay is brought about by uncertainty on Blizzard's part regarding the new UI restriction. Do a Google search for "WoW UI nerf" and you'll find huge, endless threads in which about five sixths of people (and about 95% of healers) rail against new restrictions in the scripting system that will break numerous existing addons, requiring raiding healers to multiply their mouse mileage during raids by orders of magnitude. Now I'm a casual player (10 months and counting to 60...), so this doesn't affect me that severely, but I'm still playing a priest. While I was uncertain whether I'd ever get into raiding before...I think would clinch it.

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  15. Re:Make Love, Not Warcraft by gabec · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sword of 1000 Truths. No doubt when South Park talked to Blizzard to get permission for the episode they worked together to get the content to coincide with upcoming items (or just simply created them because of the episode).

  16. Re:That's no good! by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Funny

    I misunderstood the title too! It's just that I thought some group of WoW widows were trying for some big bonfire of WoW CDs. That's kinda sad for a /. reader, instinctively taking "burning" literally.

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  17. Not really by everphilski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a long time EQ player and I only have half the expansions. I got in on most of the betas (or a friend did) and if I didn't like where it was going, I didn't purchase it. Simple as that. If you don't have the balls to hang on to your $30 over a game you don't need then you have problems. Not getting a new expansion doesn't stop you from doing what you were already doing.

  18. I felt... by CaseM · · Score: 4, Funny

    I felt a great disturbance in Azeroth, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror...and went RIGHT back to raiding again.

  19. MMORPG expansions are no trivial matters by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Expansions can make a game gone stale get great again. They can, though, also forever ruin a game never to be resurrected again. So Blizzard will definitly make certain that whatever this expansion brings won't cause too much of a ripple in the universe of WoW. After all, it still goes strong, so far the players aren't fleeing in large numbers, and the worst thing a very bad expansion can do is to make them do just that.

    Game balance is the biggest issue an expansion has to solve before it may enter a game. Because one thing's certain: Once it's there, you can't make it leave again. An expansion is here, and it's here to stay. Mythic with DAoC was the only company that ever pulled a stunt and unplugged one of their expansions after a lot of complaints and many people leaving or in the process of leaving, and even they only did it by introducing new servers.

    So the delay may very well be not a technical problem, be it stability or bug-freeness. My bet would be on balance. You can make or break balance very, very easily with an expansion that often not only introduces new items but also new classes. Classes are maybe the most difficult part of the balancing process in a game. New classes must first of all be that: new. You can't simply recycle some styles and gadgets from old classes and just give it new names, or people will complain. And that new spiffy thingamajigs you give them have to be in check and balanced, not only against the world but also against the other classes for PvP. They must not level faster than the old classes, they must not be stronger in solo fights (and neither must they be weaker), they must not even provide more "group value" than other classes, and of course they may not "replace" an existing class.

    Now do that if you can.

    Balancing is a very, very difficult task for expansion packs. And, honestly, if I played WoW, I'd rather give them 6 more months and have it done right than demanding it out now and having it break everything there is.

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  20. More like ad nauseum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Ad Infinitum?
    More like ad nauseum, IMO.

    I played WOW obsessively for a year and change. No matter how far I got, there was always some new goal I was chasing (level 60, full tier 1 set, pvp rank, etc). At some point I realized that my time investment in the game was becoming greater and greater. This was just about the time my guild got big and started doing the 40-man raids, and getting in on that would've required me to nearly double my playing time. There was just no way, unless I was willing to just give up on my real life and dedicate myself completely to the game. I wasn't willing to do that. It was right about that time that I realized I had a girlfriend waiting for me in bed, and that with all the late nights I'd been spending on WOW, she'd actually started feeling lonely, abandoned, and betrayed. For once I snapped out of it and actually understood how she felt, and could sympathize with her. So I shut off the game, canceled my account, and went to bed. Things got a lot better between us after that. I hope I never again make the mistake of letting a stupid video game hurt a real-life relationship, especially one as important my relationship with her.

  21. A Blizzard game was delayed? by Maul · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unheard of!

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  22. Delayed? Date was never announced... by Nacumbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can something without an announced release date be delayed?

  23. Re:Still the same gerbil wheel by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't "player-controlled NPCs" an oxymoron?

  24. even buggier than the original by Dangolo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My roommate has the BC beta and i've watched him play. Honestly, i'm surprised it's even in beta, i think it should still be in alpha status. Of the 5 or so hours of gameplay i've seen so far, i have witnessed:
    1- Loot rolls being won, but the item doesn't go into your bag. The item was 'lost' since he couln't loot the body anymore.
    2- Just clicking on a particular elite mob crashed wow to the desktop, twice.
    3- There were several mobs that didn't have any animation assigned to them. they were just these floating statues and you couldn't tell who they were attacking or if they were even dead yet.
    4- He has mostly tier 2.5 and 3 gear, and is a freakishly amazing pvper, yet he was easily killed by a rogue only 2 lvls higher. he used to be able to just laugh at rogues with his mail armor and shield, now it appears the lvls signify an overpowering leap in stats making it unfair.
    5- I don't know about him, but if I had worked relentlessly, giving up my life to get the uber leet T3 armor, and then see GREEN everyday items drop in BC that are actually better the most sought after gear in the normal game......I'd get so bitter i would prolly logoff and uninstall right that second!

    I have seen alot more than this, but all i can say is that the game is nowhere near ready for release. They need to realize that it affects over 6million of us now and most of us like it just the way it is. Also, we already have to deal with the dreaded 'patch day' every tuesday where our servers are offine, we can't play and then we get to read about how they changed the game yet again.

    This is just my opinion of the game from what i have seen. I mean no harm to Blizz, and i'm sure that with $(6million X $15 / Month) they can afford to devolop the game into truly one for the recordbooks.

    GG /uninstall

  25. Many changes being released prior to the Holidays by Necroman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Blue posts found here (WoW forums are dead right now):
    http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/38233956.htm

    They will be doing a 1.13 patch still. To quote Eyonix:
    "Keep in mind, we do plan to push a content patch prior to release, which could occupy your holiday time quite well." Followed by, "Oh, you know, just a few small things such as a brand new honor system, as well as new talents and abilities along with dozens of other changes and improvements. ;)"

    So they are releasing much of the changes available to level 60 people prior to the holiday season. It may even include some world event about the opening of the Dark Portal.

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  26. Re:Well.... by ultramk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, aside from new uber loot (which there's an endless hunger for, btw), it's a fact that even the best, most elite, organized hard-core guilds in the game find the highest high-level content very challenging. For the rest of us with an average amount of free time to invest, even the moderately high-level stuff is damn near impossible to experience.

    When the level cap raises, stuff like Molten Core and BWL drops in relative difficulty, so average players can finally get a shot at the stuff they could only dream about before. It's a win-win. The jaded hard-core get new challenges, and the rest of us get access to parts of the game that were unthinkable before.

    M-

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