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Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death

indraneil writes "Saddam Hussein has been sentenced to death along with his half brother. Three Baath party officials charged with Hussein in the killings of 148 Shiite civilians have been sentenced to 15 years in prison, while a fourth has been cleared. He is to be hanged inside 30 days from now. Saddam Hussein has been given 10 days to appeal against the decision. His lawyer has warned to a bloodbath if the sentence is carried out."

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  1. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unless they voted him to death via a web-2.0 enabled internet site, I don't see how this is an issue for Slashdot.

    1. Re:And? by kubla2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Is anyone even in the slightest bit surprised that this was the verdict?

      Why is this news on Slashdot?

    2. Re:And? by autocracy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, first because its in the politics section, and second because it's such a universally relevant piece of news that warrants thoughtful discussion.

      I found out first about the WTC plane crashes on Slashdot. While everything else was a mess, Slashdot proved to be the best resouce. Sometimes the site can serve a better place by being more than just tech and yet not lose its roots.

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    3. Re:And? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the death penalty is less punishment than life in prison would be.

      He figures that in death he's at least some sort of martyr. Dying alone and forgotten of old age in some solitary cell as he watches his country move on (or fall apart or whatever happens) without him denies him even that.

      It also means we don't sink to the same level. You don't want to become the very thing you're fighting against.

    4. Re:And? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I found out first about the WTC plane crashes on Slashdot. While everything else was a mess, Slashdot proved to be the best resouce. Sometimes the site can serve a better place by being more than just tech and yet not lose its roots.

      Too bad this gets posted while Slashdot moderation is broken.

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  2. Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tuesday by Concern · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So, Saddam Hussein's verdict, the death sentence, is read 48 hours before the U.S. midterm elections...

    That's just a coincidence, right?

    But, when Republican congressmen are discovered to be gay pederasts, or famous evangelical ministers are outed for using methamphetamines with male prostitutes and the news comes out in the weeks prior to the election...

    That's a deliberate attempt to time the news with the election, right?

    What do you believe?

    If you are an American Republican, you will incur the wrath of your fellow party members unless you answer yes to both questions.

    What do you think the Iraqis believe?

    Given that there are very few Republicans in Iraq, do you suppose it's possible that they might take a more cynical view on the timing of the verdict?

    Could an appearance of impropriety by the Iraqi court could be, by far, the most reckless of the "October Surprises"? (Though neither in October, nor a surprise...)

    U.S. troops could actually die in greater numbers because of such blows to the credibility of Iraq's supposedly new, independent government (and its courts).

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  3. Mission Accomplished by kurt555gs · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wow, now our troops can come home, it's over.

    And just 2 days before an election, how convenient.

    Cheers

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  4. A show trial in every sense. by arcite · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This was a show trial.

    The US hand picked the judges and the sentence was a forgone conclusion.

    Will Saddam get a chance to talk about how he had US support during the war with Iran? I doubt it.

    Saddam shouldn't be executed he should be kept alive in a cell for the rest of his life as a lesson for the Iraqi's to learn from.

    Executing Saddam will only turn him into a martyr.

    Thoughts?

    1. Re:A show trial in every sense. by AchilleTalon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I believe Saddam must be executed. It must be clear to his supporters there is no chance at all I could once a day be back as the Iraq President. And the page must be turn once and for all on his presidency. Everyone will have to look forward.

      Saddam must be bring to death, not only for his crimes, but for what he represents as well.

      And a guy who hides in a rat-hole while his country is under the fire of ennemies and believe he represents the country doesn't deserve any respect. I don't know how such a wimpy president can be turned into a martyr otherwise than by unsane reasoning.

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  5. Natural Born Killer by packetmon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So we have one man responsible for thousand of deaths (Saddam) and they're now liberated. Only since the beginning of their liberation, they've actually being dying by the thousands. The irony.

  6. Iraq could *become* a bloodbath? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could it actually become any worse than it is? So far it seems like people are being killed just about as quickly as the killers can sort out who's a Shi'ite, Suni, or Kurd. The only way I could imagine it getting worse is if they stopped trying to sort out each other, which I doubt will happen.

  7. Sympathy for the Devil by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Several minutes ago, I saw this picture of him over on Wikipedia, and I just felt really, really sorry for him.

    The man has already been stripped of his wealth and power, and imprisoned. Will killing him bring back the 148 dead Shiites?

    1. Re:Sympathy for the Devil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >> The man has already been stripped of his wealth and power, and imprisoned. Will killing him bring back the 148
      >> dead Shiites?

      Not to mention that he most like found out the fate of his sons by watching CNN where their corpses were poked.

    2. Re:Sympathy for the Devil by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Will killing him bring back the 148 dead Shiites?"

      Killing him will dash the hopes of Sunis wishing to reinstate him and letting him do it all over again. Unless he was going to be held in some prison outside of Iraq, that would always be one of the hopes of the Suni insurgents.

      Did you hear his statements upon hearing the sentence? One might interpret them as his shot at martyrdom, but really they're his attempt to convince Sunis outside the courtroom to bust him out.

      If the only alternative is to be held in an Iraqi prison, this is the only way to ensure he won't do it again.

    3. Re:Sympathy for the Devil by iknowcss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Awww, look at cute wittle Adolph. His mother and father loved him dearly.

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    4. Re:Sympathy for the Devil by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't be fooled by his nice smile or pretty female relative. Saddam is a psychopath. The part of his brain that handles guilt and worries about what others will think of him is inoperative. Literally, he has no conscience. Saddam rose to power by killing anybody he suspected of showing the slightest disloyalty. He tortured people, had his own son tortured, and taught his sons to torture. This man is as evil as they get.

      Psychopaths are charming, charismatic people who look nice and make you feel good. But they will do whatever they believe is necessary, including killing people in cold blood, without a moments hesitation, and no guilt or remorse afterwards. Despite his charm and personable nature, he is utterly ruthless.

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    5. Re:Sympathy for the Devil by uncqual · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since you subscribe to "slippery slope" theories, let's look at the slippery slope the other direction... I'll help by updating the first couple of paragraphs of your post if there were no death sentence and the most serious penalty possible was life in prison.

      Of course not - but nor is imprisoning him for life. Saddam's victims are dead, dead, dead, and nothing is going to bring them back. Merely performing 40 hours of community service won't help. But nor will imprisoning him for life.

      We're on a slippery slope here. Plenty of people think that community service is too good for him, so he should be imprisoned for life. Well, great. But why stop there? Surely a nice prison cell for life is too good for such a monster too, so maybe he should be given a less comfortable cell, like without a feather pillow? Or maybe he should be required to clean his OWN cell? Or deprive him of cable TV? I mean, he's a monster, right? We must make his punishment as painful as possible, to discourage other monsters! Life imprisonment is too good for him!

      Saddam will be receiving a humane punishment by his own standards - many (perhaps most) who died in his prisons under his control would have begged for such a death (or, even a trial). It really seems quite fair to me to impose a punishment on someone that is less severe than that that that person imposed on others guilty of lesser crimes.

      The most serious available punishment will always be judged as "too cruel" or "too severe" by a portion of the population and simply lowering the severity of this punishment to prevent offending anyone will do little to change this except that the worst criminals will pay a much lower price for their crimes and lesser criminals will receive almost no punishment (read "disincentive") as all meaningful punishments are reserved for the "worst of the worst".

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  8. Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues by Concern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the thing about the appearance of impropriety. It's an important, and formal, concept in credible court systems like those in America.

    If there may be an appereance that the verdict was planned or timed, you do things to avoid even that appearance.

    Such as not announcing a verdict on the weekend before the U.S. elections.

    I'm not saying for sure they timed it, because I just don't know. But I do know for sure that they could have waited 3 days and changed the whole image of the thing.

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  9. Yay! by dave420 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Punish killing by killing! Go hypocrisy!

    1. Re:Yay! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Punish killing by killing! Go hypocrisy!

      Punish kidnapping by putting someone in jail! Go hypocrisy!

      ALL punishments of a criminal would be considered illegal if performed by someone on an innocent person. Therefore, by your logic, all punishing of criminals is hypocritical.

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  10. Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Man, you are so cynical. I mean sure, we invaded a country to topple a dictator with whom previous Republican administrations armed to the teeth in its war with a neighboring coutry we hate, who then had to be ousted from another neighbor we like to preserve the flow of gas to our SUVs, but was allowed to brutally quell an uprising by a group with undesirable religious affiliation, but then we got hit by terrorists and the current administration said "hey, where's that Iraq invasion plan we wrote on our first day here? Here it is -- cool!" and figured we were all so ready for vengeance we wouldn't notice them Mad-Libbing in some excuses for invading to fill in the spots where they had written "FOR DELICIOUS LIFE-GIVING OIL!", then used a slimy network of surrogates to defeat an actual war veteran lest they have to touch someone who actually served in uniform, so we could keep National Guard troops over there instead of having them to use in, say, New Orleans or something? But jeez louise, you think these people would be capable of timing out the guilty verdict in a country we *control*? CYNICAL. Come on, man, the Iraqis decided that on their own. They're the ones that gave him a TRIAL. Hell, we don't even bother to do that anymore! Primitives.

    But back to Saddam: death by hanging? That's idiotic. I say we kill him with all of those WMDs he had!

    Bemopolis

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  11. In all comments above... see very well illustrated by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That the left is opposed to democracy. The democratically elected government introduced the death penalty, and now it should not be carried out ...

    No it will not bring back the dead, but it WILL do 2 things :
    -> declare once and for all, and for everyone to see that killing is not allowed, which is a good thing
    -> prevent anyone from helping him (kill even more), which is a good thing
    -> prevent him from doing any further damage, which is a good thing
    -> bring this criminal's death during a last display of public humiliation, where everybody is reminded that he was a murderer, which is a VERY good thing
    -> kill this animal just as he killed his thousands of victims, which is a good thing

    No, revenge is bad. But this is not revenge. This is a public, and final statement that nobody gets to kill.

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  12. Losing a wealth of historical knowledge. by Lethyos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think Saddam deserves to be punished as much as the next guy. He is categorically evil and I find myself unable to deny him the death penalty. But this is so convenient for the United States. He has a great deal to tell the world about how we supported the rise of his regime. How we tried to play Iran and Iraq against each other by supplying both with weapons. Eliminating Saddam makes us that less likely to see accountability for our past transgressions.

    Now that Saddam has had his trial, it is about time to put Donald Rumsfeld (and other now prominent neo-conservatives) on trial for providing material support to a man we knew to be a brutal dictator.

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  13. Mission Accomplicate by packetmon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So Saddam is convicted of killing 148. The toll post-Saddam is 100,000 and counting (Iraqis) and 3,041 US military personnel. Beheadings don't count. If you ask me, I'd say 100,000 is not a bad number of casualties and we (GOP'ers) can justify the 3,041 Americans based on actionable intelligence that shows that Saddam Hussein was a terrorist.

    We can all forget about Darfur now its obvious there could never be a more evil tyrant than Saddam.

    America, we're (GOP'ers) asking you to forgive our sins, they're nothing more than political tricks by dems to sway the vote. We've brough gasoline prices down, we're bringing the troops home, we've got the largest unemployment ratio in five years. All is well. If you don't vote for us now, the dems will allow Rosary beads of mass destruction into America. They're (dems) secretly colluding with Osama, Kim Jong Il, and Idi Amin. And as God is our witness (keep in mind dems are really Satan worshipping sinners), if you don't vote for us terrible things will happen.

  14. Which sentence will Bush get? by phatscum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Saddam Hussein: 148 killings of Iraqi people in the town of Dujail: Sentenced to death

    G.W. Bush: 650,000 killings of Iraqi civilians. Sentence? Oh wait...

  15. Re:But it's not justice by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He should have been tried in The Hague at the International Court of Justice. The problem with trying him there is that the US would lose control over the proceedings and would not be able to use the trial for their own political gain.

          Not to mention the rather minor point that the US broke international law by invading Iraq in the first place.

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  16. Re:Well I guess there was one good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Killing to avenge a killing just makes more killers.

    Ugh... would you born-again Christians just stay out of politics already!? Wait a sec....

  17. It has to be surprising to be news? by delahappy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every day products are released, reviewed, hacked, etc.. we still post about that stuff and they are often not surprising. This is something that happened and is worthy a discussion.

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  18. But still... by dido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A little monster devoured by a much larger monster.

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  19. Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is the thing about the appearance of impropriety. It's an important, and formal, concept in credible court systems like those in America. If there may be an appereance that the verdict was planned or timed, you do things to avoid even that appearance. Such as not announcing a verdict on the weekend before the U.S. elections. I'm not saying for sure they timed it, because I just don't know. But I do know for sure that they could have waited 3 days and changed the whole image of the thing.
    Such is the great conceit of Americans, to think that the legal system of a foreign country timed a verdict so as to coincide with our mid-term elections. Not much less of a conceit to suggest that they should modify their schedule so as to minimize the appearance of impropriety to a bunch of foreign conspiracy theorists.
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  20. Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    ...to think that the legal system of a foreign country...
    Note just any foreign country, "Bush's" foreign country. :)
  21. Re:But it's not justice by E++99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Not to mention the rather minor point that the US broke international law by invading Iraq in the first place.

    I'm sorry, what law was that????

    The law of not invading a country that is funnelling oil-for-food voucher proceeds to U.N. bigshots? Come on, spit it out! What is this law that we broke????
  22. Moral Equivalency, citing extremes, etc. by BeeBeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had a long rebuttal typed up addressing your careless use of rhetorical devices, but decided against it about halfway through and deleted it. Frankly, posts such as yours are not insightful, interesting, funny, or informative. They're just semantic and boring.