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Microsoft Debuts MySpace-Like IT Site

snib writes "Microsoft has launched Aggreg8, a 'social networking and collaboration space for the IT community.' Apparently, the owner of the popular open-source RSS reader of the same name sold the domains to Microsoft for $5000 in August in order to host what was then called 'Microcosm.' Microsoft hopes their new service, which utilizes Windows Live ID (formerly .NET Passport) authentication, will become a 'MySpace-like forum for developers to share scripts, tools, or best practices, or even to just connect with others within the profession.'"

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  1. Seems a great place to post yer code! by weteko · · Score: 5, Informative

    MATERIALS PROVIDED TO MICROSOFT OR POSTED AT ANY MICROSOFT WEB SITE

    Microsoft does not claim ownership of the materials you provide to Microsoft (including feedback and suggestions) or post, upload, input or submit to any Services or its associated services for review by the general public, or by the members of any public or private community, (each a "Submission" and collectively "Submissions"). However, by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting ("Posting") your Submission you are granting Microsoft, its affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to use your Submission in connection with the operation of their Internet businesses (including, without limitation, all Microsoft Services), including, without limitation, the license rights to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; to publish your name in connection with your Submission; and the right to sublicense such rights to any supplier of the Services. No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein.

    Or; post code for your pet project on this site and we will use it and sell it as our own.

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    1. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by InfoHighwayRoadkill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      did you expect anything different... be honest.

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    2. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 5, Funny

      No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein.

      Hmmph. They should've called it "OurSpace".

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    3. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by calciphus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or, as works with EVERY public forum. "Things you post in a public space are public knowledge and use. That's WHY you posted them in a public space, right?" It's not like they'll delve into your Inbox and claim that they can use the content of messages you post. But I'm sure, in order to make MS look like the bad guy, someone is going to claim that they will. Ever notice how much stuff in Apple's forums end up in their FAQ or in future products? Isn't that why people post it there to begin with, so that others (even large corporations) can use it? Am I missing something? If you wanted to sell the source code, why would you post it for free on a community page, regardless of who owns that page?

    4. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by binkzz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Television is a public forum. Yet you can't use what you see or record for your own benefits.

      If it were true by default that what you posted, everyone could use, Microsoft wouldn't have had to include that paragraph. But it's not true, copyright laws apply even if you post in public.

      Also, Microsoft doesn't just claim to be allowed to use it, they say they'll be allowed to sell it as their own without paying you. Which is just wrong.

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    5. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by Kuciwalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How are they supposed to distribute the contents of your page (including any code you post) to those who view the page if you don't grant them the rights to? What's the point of putting up information if you don't give them the right to let other people see it? As another reply noted, it's exactly like any forum.

    6. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by houghi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or; post code for your pet project on this site and we will use it and sell it as our own.


      What if I upload GPL code and they use it in their Vista? Can I then sue them into oblivion?
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    7. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by Sr.+Zezinho · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, when you submit your code your are licensing it to MS on their own terms, not a license of your choice. Great, eh?

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    8. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Informative

      television is not a forum. A forum is interactive, whereas television is a provider of information and adverts, with no immediate feedback. You are just a consumer of television.

      They use the term 'interactive' to describe their news services, but thats just a menu system to move between streams. Can you add news? Nope, except by going postal and getting your very own slot.

    9. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by luder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Things you post in a public space are public knowledge and use.

      By that logic, I would loose the rights to my photos when I upload them into Flickr, including giving them rights to use it commercially... Just because you can see it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it! Same with GPL projects, the code is in a public space, but when you use it into your own software you have to agree to a license.

      However, MS is free to put any clause they want in their terms of use so, as long as it is clearly visible, no one who joins should complain if they see their snippets being used by them.

    10. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by gregorio · · Score: 4, Informative
      By that logic, I would loose the rights to my photos when I upload them into Flickr, including giving them rights to use it commercially...
      You don't "loose" rights to your code when you post it inside Microsoft's forums. You just give them permission to copy it (aka distribute your message to other users) and do other things (backup your message, allow message searching, yadda yadda yadda).

      You people are all missing the point here. The license does not remove rightsfrom you, it only gives MS the right to publish it as a message on a public forum. Without these rights, they would not be able to even list your message after you pressed the submit button.

      So it's pretty simple: if you send a message to their forum, you're giving them legal rights to distribute it (using the forum scripts), backup, sort, search, yadda yadda yadda.
    11. Re:Seems a great place to post yer code! by a.d.trick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Likewise, forcing everyones' work into public domain will not remove rights either. Microsoft would be reasonable if the only required permission to republish the work on the site (that wouldn't have even required an EULA, it's just common sense) it when way beyond that extending to all Microsoft services and allowed them to do anything they wanted, at their leisure and without your say in the matter. Just about everything short of them actually owning it.

  2. Nothing to see here without an Live ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You cant even browse around without logging in. Sites which require logins for visiting should be boycotted and not promoted on Slashdot.

  3. *shutters* by corychristison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    May I be the first to point out that it is god-awfully ugly?

    Mod me down if you so please, I hope to never see the light of day after seeing what I just witnessed.

    1. Re:*shutters* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, hey, it's modeled after MySpace after all...

    2. Re:*shutters* by Dawsons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      god damn ... the site sucks for usability as well... such a poor effort

  4. Open Arms?? by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a bunch of zer0-day sploitz I would like to share with my friends. Also, I would like to be able to stream teh l8test industrial rock on my Aggreg8 page. Will this be possible?

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  5. From the license by towsonu2003 · · Score: 2, Informative
    "by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting ("Posting") your Submission you are granting Microsoft, its affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to (...) [pown all your bases]"

    What the hell did you expect?

  6. Social networking sites by theos07 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is as ugly as hell indeed. I think it's a good idea for Microsoft to offer such a service. Objectively though it is a bit silly that you have to login to view the page. Does anyone know of any good sites for IT networking? Please advise!!

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  7. ALL YOUR CODE ARE BELONG TO US by Klaidas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With THAT license, how many people do they expect to share the code?

  8. Please stop renaming things! by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First it was your Hotmail ID. Then your Passport ID. Now it's your Windows Live ID.

    Stop renaming stuff! It's hard enough keeping track of all of these marginally useful services already.

    1. Re:Please stop renaming things! by killjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remember when everything MS made was activesomething? Then everything they made was something.net. Now everything they make will be somethinglive or livesomething.

      Maybe next it will be somethingdead.

      I have this theory. It goes like this. In the halls of MS there are vending machines which dispense free LSD and all MS employees eat a few tabs every day. This theory explains zune, rebranding everything every three years, fifty thousand data access libraries, and error messages such as "there is no message for this error".

      Those people are on serious drugs for sure.

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  9. awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    this will be great! I'm gonna have bill gates, steve jobs, linus and woz as ms-friends! this will be sweet! hell, i might even let balmer friend me

  10. Re:MSFT just doesn't get it, do they? by pboulang · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Case in point, from the FAQ:

    How do I add a signature to my posts?

    See How do I add Signature to my Post? in the User Profile and Settings section.
    Thank god they didn't just link to it.. that would be waaaay too internetty
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  11. Navigation is painful by calciphus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just logged in, and tried to find a PHP/MySQL group to join. There is no group "search" feature under the "search for a group" link. You can only browse in a very obfuscated fashion. Honestly, they'd better change the interface soon, or you won't be able to find things. Plus, requiring a Live ID means that search engines can't index...and suddenly your site is a thousand times less useful. But I bet that sweet MSN Search is going to index it! Like anyone uses that willingly.

  12. No, this one will be much better!! by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
    It will be full of sage advice and code samples from MSCEs. Plus there will be tons of great ActiveX applications!!

    Yay!! Steve Ballmer is in your extended network!!

  13. Hi There! by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like you're trying to post something.
    Would you like me to ...

    1. Re:Hi There! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      • Ban you for mentioning/using vendors other than Microsoft, and technologies other than those belonging to Microsoft?
      • Take and use your code without due credit?
      • Provide another mediocre service for less than a year?
  14. Not falling for that baby ! by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Establish a community, get people accustomed to it, then twist them and use them to your will.

    Well-known procedure. Id especially suspect that when it comes from a company that doggedly fought freedom and open source and lost.

  15. it's quite common by oohshiny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or, as works with EVERY public forum. "Things you post in a public space are public knowledge and use.

    There are actually quite a few companies that post source code and other information on the web with licenses that impose obligations on you if you as much as look at it.

    For example, go to the Sun web site and look at the licenses under which they make Java documentation and source code available; read them carefully and then roll your eyes.

  16. Re:Groups by TobascoKid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How???? That site is unusable. There doesn't seem to be a way to search for groups, so if there is a unix group, I can't find it (or any other group)

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  17. The Software.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    is community server, the same software powering thedailywtf where users agree that the forum software is the real WTF. Every page is served as text/html with a XHTML 1.0 Frameset DTD, without any frames* and many users call it "unusable". So it's a perfect match for Microsoft. Microsoft probably just threw their hands up knowing that even if they wrote a system from scratch, it could never outdo community server. Thinking about it some more, I take it back. Community server is written in ASP.NET using Viewstate, nobody can ever beat Viewstate for sheer WTF-tasticness. Pffft!

    * Possibly to allow for users adding iframes because MSIE doesn't support xhtml object embedding? Still, WTF?

  18. Have to stop threatening to sue developers by quiberon2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They will have to indicate that they will not sue any individual software developers, period, before I would venture within a thousand miles of that site.

  19. Oh god... by cheese-cube · · Score: 3, Insightful
    127.0.0.1 for pros
    That is so incredibly corny.
  20. Is passport not dead yet by thingie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While looking through the help to see whether Microsoft can spell RDF[1] or FOAF[2] (they don't appear to), I came across this[3]:

        "Why do I need to use Passport?"
        "We chose Passport in order to help you consolidate the number of logins you have to manage."

    *sigh* here was me thinking passport was dead.

    [1] http://www.w3.org/RDF/
    [2] http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/
    [3] http://aggreg8.net/Aggreg8_Help_Pages.htm#registra tion_passport

  21. Minesweeper Certified Solitaire Expert by turgid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It will be full of sage advice and code samples from MSCEs.

    We have a tester at work who is an MCSE. I've been teaching him shell scripting using bash in Linux, for which he is immensely grateful, embarrassingly so, as he bows and scrapes and calls me "Mr Unix Genius." His productivity has improved 10-fold, and now he has a new job at another company with better pay.

    One Monday morning he proudly informed me that he'd spent a lot of time over the weekend reading the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide and that he'd, "copied and pasted it," so that he could, "read it on Windows." He'd spent hours copying and pasting all 800 pages from the web browser into Microsoft Word.

    I asked him why he didn't just download the file. "But I want to read it on Windows."

  22. Boring Home Page by philsown · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't the appropriate response to immediately upload the NT source code that was released a few years ago? Now that I type that it doesn't seem as funny...

    Boring home page. At least on myspace they try to invite you into the site with some content and "new profile" pics.

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  23. it doesn't even make sense by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Localhost for IT pros"? "Loopback for IT pros?" Huh? I would guess they were going for "Home for IT pros", but that's just not what 127.0.0.1 means.

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    1. Re:it doesn't even make sense by Nasarius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, you're reading Slashdot. I don't think you can condescendingly call other people nerds ;-)

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  24. Is it just me, .. by greylion3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..or does MS seem to be doing a lot of desperate things lately?

    Buying hotels (the Four Seasons hotel group).
    Developing an iPod-clone (Zune).
    Launching what's essentially a copy of MySpace.
    Removing the one-reinstall restriction from Vista.
    The Vista voucher scheme (promising XP->Vista upgrades for PCs bought now).
    The MS-Novell deal (which has a dozen different perspectives, but at least promoting Linux).

    To me, it seems like MS is genuinely scared of becoming largely irrelevant in the not-so-distant future.

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    1. Re:Is it just me, .. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't say lately. I would say for years. It's just now their actions seem desperate because their modus operandi doesn't worked like it used to. They just can't copy a trend or buy someone out. In a way since the antitrust, they have become more emboldened. When the Zune thing was announced, I was waiting for a lawsuit from some of their former PlaysForSure partners. That kind of actions seems to be anti-competitive to me.

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  25. Irony abounds by eck011219 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It took me twenty minutes to figure out how to drill down into the working groups and find one about User Interface. It's very, very poorly laid out. Without the search everyone wants, it's functionally useless. Maybe this kind of thing works for social networking where it's just as valuable to "run into" someone as it is to be able to find them with some precision, but to also put this forth as a useful resource for IT pros is silly.

    This is not to say that if they can add a search I won't try it out in earnest -- I think MS is doing a lot to embrace the Linux and Mac communities, and I for one want to encourage that. MS has a lot of very intelligent people working for them -- they just need a bit more exposure to how the other 20% lives. :)

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  26. "127.0.0.1 FOR IT PROS" doesn't make sense by ThwartedEfforts · · Score: 2, Funny
    This slogan doesn't even make any sense.
    127.0.0.1 FOR IT PROS
    "localhost for IT Pros"? Oh, I get it, "Home for IT PROS", except right below the logo and the tagline, there is a navbar where the first item is "Home", so I can click to go the home of my home? "~ FOR IT PROS" would have made much more sense, except that's only for UNIX weinies, but "%PROFILEDIR% for IT PROS" is harder to read. Aggreg8: By Marketing, for Tech Users.
  27. Yet another.... by bitserf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft launches a new developer community website every few months. I'm confused as to which one is the real one. Someone please inform?