Slashdot Mirror


Jailtime For Leeching Wireless?

jginspace writes "A 17-year-old from Singapore is is facing three years' jailtime for accessing his neighbor's wireless network. His neighbor complained and now the unfortunate Tan Jia Luo is facing charges under the computer misuse act and is scheduled to appear in court on Wednesday."

74 of 587 comments (clear)

  1. More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    More details at the local HardwareZone Forum:

    Teen, 17, first to be charged with unauthorised wireless Net access

    By Chua Hian Hou

    A 17-YEAR-OLD polytechnic student has become the first person here to be charged with piggybacking on someone else's wireless Internet connection.

    Garyl Tan Jia Luo was accused yesterday of using a laptop computer to gain unauthorised access to a home wireless network on May 13 this year.

    If convicted, Tan faces up to three years in jail and fines of up to $10,000 under Section 6(1)(a) of the Computer Misuse Act.

    Tan was released on $6,000 bail and is scheduled to appear at the Subordinate Courts on Wednesday.

    Court documents did not describe the circumstances in which Tan was arrested, but The Straits Times understands that a neighbour near his Casuarina Walk home had lodged a complaint against him.

    While there are no statistics on how commonplace the practice of piggybacking unsecured home wireless networks is, networking firm Cisco System's spokesman, Mr Rayson Cheo, said it is probably quite widespread here.

    Most modern notebook computers and personal digital assistants (PDAs) have the ability to sniff out unsecured networks and hop online for free with just a few clicks.

    There are numerous guides online that describe how to do this and the low cost of wireless networking equipment means that most HDB or condominium blocks have unprotected networks users can log on to.

    Said Mr Cheo: 'People assume, wrongly, that since it is there, it is okay to use it.'

    Mr Aloysius Cheang, the chairman of local infocomm security association, the Special Interest Group in Security and Information Integrity, said: 'Most people probably do it because it is convenient, or because they are cheap and want free Internet.

    'But, for some, it is because they want to do something illegal like defaming someone or downloading pirated MP3s, and they don't want the activities traced back to their own network.'

    In the online world, there are even special terms for it, like 'wardriving' and 'Wi-Fi mooching'.

    The problem, said lawyer Bryan Tan, is that while most people know that mooching is not quite legitimate, they probably do not know that it can be treated as a serious offence.

    'Blinkered by the convenience and allure of ?free Internet', people don't realise that mooching is the virtual equivalent of trespassing,' he added.

    Likewise, many users do not seem to realise that they can block moochers simply by installing a password on their Internet connections.

    For most users, the only indication they get that someone is mooching is when their connection speed slows down, though Mr Cheo said software tools are available for download that can track who is using a network and what they are doing on it.

    While the case is the first of its kind here, there have been at least two similar arrests and convictions in the United States.

    In some countries like Holland, Mr Tan added, Wi-Fi network owners can even be held liable by the courts for crimes committed on their unprotected networks.

    chuahh@sph.com.sg

    1. Re:More info by jshackney · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are numerous guides online that describe how to do this and the low cost of wireless networking equipment means that most HDB or condominium blocks have unprotected networks users can log on to.

      A particularly interesting guide that, if accurate, makes me wonder why people still bother with wireless security at all. Note that it is in excess of 3 years old--the info. may not apply today.

      Said Mr Cheo: 'People assume, wrongly, that since it is there, it is okay to use it.'

      So, when I go to an airport to sit for 8 hours--even though there is no sign noting "FREE WIRELESS"--I should probably beg the proprietor for written consent? Fortunately, I don't go to Singapore, I could be in a lot of trouble. :)

    2. Re:More info by alienw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, everyone knows WEP is not secure. That's why there is WPA, which is not crackable as far as I know.

      Besides, it's possible to open a typical house lock in about 30 seconds with a lockpick. This does not make it OK to break into someone's house. It's possible to snoop on someone's cordless phone. This is illegal. Using a wireless network without permission is the same thing.

    3. Re:More info by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Home locks are pickable so that police and locksmiths can open them. Your home is accessible by law.

      That said, radio devices are not homes, WEP is not a lock, and accessing a device which sole purpose by design is sharing access is not invading private property. Metaphors are not real. Radio is not "yours", ideas are not "yours". Such semantic confusion -- intentional confusion -- leads to things like 17 year old kids going to prison for a crime that only exists in the the minds of hornswoggled. The thing to look out for in the years ahead is the first execution of a person for "stealing" a metaphor. Probably going to happen a lot sooner than even I believe it will.

    4. Re:More info by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've got an old scanner that picks up old analog cordless phones and cell phones....I heard some VERY interesting conversations..about sexual liasons...and couldn't believe how people would freely give out bank and other private/financial info over the insecure air.

      That being said....with open wireless access points? Jail time? I mean, c'mon!! AS I posted on the story about 5-10 yrs. in prison for Dos attackers....let the sentence reflect the severity of the crime!!

      Violent offenders can and do get off for less than 3 years!!!

      If someone leaves an AP on and open...I think that is pretty much a free invite to join in...

      And if not...well, for sure it isn't worth imprisoning someone 3 years!!

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    5. Re:More info by shrtckt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WPA is very crackable in the hands of a knowledgeable linux user, it just takes a little more time than a 30 sec WEP job. :)

    6. Re:More info by kdemetter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think that is pretty much a free invite to join in

      I agree . If someone doesn't wont you to use their wireless , there are many ways to prevent it .



      It's even possible to use their wireless unintentionally . if the signal is strong enough , your computer may decide to use that one . So you can go to jail because your computer screwed you over .



    7. Re:More info by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      though Mr Cheo said software tools are available for download that can track who is using a network and what they are doing on it.

      Yeah, it's called your router's software.

      My old 802.11b wireless router died a few years back. I didn't have a laptop at the time, but my girlfriend did. It was literally 6 months before we noticed that her laptop wasn't connecting to our router, but rather a unsecured wireless router in the building. It was just automatically connecting to what's available.

      This is not "stealing" network access, or "breaking in" to your house. This is a device, available for everyone nearby, which is constantly broadcasting packets saying quite literally "Hey, I'm here! Does anyone want to connect to me?" Your computer then says "Hey, I'm a laptop. This is my network card identification. Can I get on your network?" The router then says "Sure, hop on. I'll route your packets."

      This is not someone coming to your house and attaching alligator clips to your phone line. This is YOUR router, working in YOUR stead, behaving exactly as YOU have configured it to. This is like a secretary whom you've told to let anyone into your building. If you can't be bothered to train the secretary in the simplest of fashions (and putting a password on a network isn't exactly rocket science), you shouldn't envoke the police when you find they have let random people into the building.

      If you can't spend the ten fucking minutes to put a password on your network, you shouldn't waste the judicial system's time when people access it.

    8. Re:More info by DViper01 · · Score: 3, Informative
      if the signal is strong enough , your computer may decide to use that one
      That's totally true. I don't know the defaults for Windows, but a Mac will by default scan all wireless networks and if it can't find one in your 'favorites' list, it'll pop-up a dialog asking if you want to join wireless network X, where X is the strongest open one it can find. I never joined an open wireless network from someone else, but that dialog makes you think it's really no deal to do so.
    9. Re:More info by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Welcome to the world of Big Business.

      Somewhere, some company lobbied for "tough penalties for data theft".
      This made their security somewhat easier to implement - as opposed to actually, you know, doing something credible to mitigate security risks - but you end up with crap like this. You can bet it's not homeowners lobbying for these laws.

      So, you can kill a man and get off in 3 years, but annoy a corporation and they will cripple you for life.

      Hey ho, it's a funny old world, eh?

      --

      You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
      There is a lot of hype here.
    10. Re:More info by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone leaves an AP on and open...I think that is pretty much a free invite to join in...

      What I find most interesting is that an open accesspoint is actually broadcasting invitations - if accepting an invitation is considered illegal, how is accessing a web server legal? I mean, a web server doesn't broadcast it's presence so you have to actively try and connect.

      How can I tell the difference between an accesspoint that is intentionally open and one that has been set up by an idiot? Should I assume that everyone's an idiot? The next time I want to go to the pub, am I to assume that the building I'm about to enter isn't really a pub and the "Bar" sign hanging outside the door was put there accidentally?

      When you associate with an open network, it's not as if you're going down the road trying doors to see if they're open - you're actually getting invitations broadcast to you and many devices will connect without asking - are you responsible for your computer connecting to a random access point without asking you first?

    11. Re:More info by N3Roaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called being a bad neighbor. Suppose I have an unsecured wireless access point and neighbors close enough to see it. Suppose further that a neighbor uses it and I have a problem with that. So, I've gone through the trouble of figuring out who is accessing my WAP. The first thing I'd try is asking that person to please stop using my WAP. Hopefully that would work, but maybe the other person is a jerk who starts spouting nonsense about how the access point is open so it must be okay to use, even though I've just asked him to stop using it. My next step would be to take some step toward blocking access, perhaps by securing the WAP, setting up a MAC filter, or even just turning it off when I'm not using it (if I can figure out that somebody else is accessing my WAP and who it is, I can certainly do any of these). If he continues to access the WAP, then I might contact the authorities.

      --
      Remember RFC 873!
    12. Re:More info by no-body · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You forget where this is - Singapure.


      Can't you get a jail sentence there for littering a cigarette bud, or something of that or similar "severeness"?

      If things continue as they are in US, this may come here too.


      Ever seen a new law or regulation coming out recently which gives more freedom or is sensible instead of making things tighter?

      This whole mechanism and attitude of people pulling the strings goes towards more control and punishment. Totally senseless and idiotic!

    13. Re:More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, the "justice" systems of the world are crooked.

      3 years for joining a WiFi network that was wide open to the world, and NOT doing any harm (this guy)?

      6 or more years for breaking into networks but NOT causing harm, and reporting the vulnerabilities (mitnick)?

      280+ years for not evading taxes, but structuring withdrawls to avoid dealing with complicated invasive paperwork (Kent Hovind), and using an IRS-appointed jury and disallowing the defense's evidence?

      20+ years for dealing cocaine (one of my idiotic cousins)?

      MURDER someone in cold blood, sometimes get out in 5 months (many assholes)?

      Molest 40+ kids in Virginia causing irreparable mental anguish, get nothing but home arrest and possibly six months' probation (some fucking pervert in Vermont)?

      There is no justice in this world.

    14. Re:More info by ultranova · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you ever tried? Personally, I'd like to do so just to see if it works.

      Bumping a disk tumbler lock ? It doesn't have pins. The key doesn't have cut teeth, instead it has segments that rotate disks. Only when the disks have been rotated to the correct position relative to each other does the lock open.

      Just see this PDF for details :).

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    15. Re:More info by Constantine+Evans · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. The AP is sending packets explicitly asking if anyone wants to connect. The laptop then sends packets explicitly asking the AP if it ok to connect, and the AP responds explicitly that it is. This isn't a case of expressions like "leaving a window unlocked" meaning "Come on in!", it is the meaning that one gets from following the protocol. Windows automatically connects to APs that do this, and it is very simple to configure APs to not invite everyone like this. It is unfortunate that they do so by default.

      This is more like hiring a guard to be outside your front door. Unfortunately, you make a mistake in your instructions and so the guard tells everyone to come in. When people ask if they really are allowed in, the guard tells them that they most certainly are. This probably isn't what you wanted the guard to do, and people may suspect that, but it still holds that someone who you gave authority to do so did tell the people that they could come in.

    16. Re:More info by bhalter80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh but here's the nuance. Linksys routers ship with an ESSID of 'Linksys' so when I go to my grandparents' place I attach to their router named 'Linksys' it automatically gets added to my favorites list. I then go to a client's place where I whip out my laptop and begin taking notes of our meeting. Assuming in this setting that there were an open AP named 'Linksys' and there were no other suitable APs Windows would automatically associate. It doesn't do any checking around ok this is Linksys@12:23:34:45:56 so I shouldn't connect because its not the same Linksys that I was talking to last time when it was added to the favorites.

      IANAL but I do realize there is a difference of intent in these cases but intent is very difficult to establish and the courts have not been very forgiving WRT people who's networks have downloaded naughty things pr0n, music, videos their conculsion has been lately that if you are the one that owns the account unless you can come up with a better suspect you are guilty. The result is that people have become very protective of their wifi. Personally I use WPA which while not perfect gives me some feeling of security and if I were to find a chronic abuser would give me cause to have him/her arrested as it would be clear that they did not accidently associate.

    17. Re:More info by hrvatska · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where I live, if I leave my front door open, and someone walks into the living room and sits on the couch, no crime has been committed. Depending on the jurisdiction, just wandering onto someone elses property is not a crime. Bad manners perhaps, but not a crime. And is wandering onto someone's wireless network analagous to opening a door, or walking onto the property outside of the house? I own rural land, and uless I post it with no trespassing signs meeting a certain criteria every so many feet, people are free to wander at will onto my property. Below are the legal requirements for posting land in my state.

      • They must be at least 11 inches square.
      • They must be posted no more than 40 rods (660 feet) apart, along the boundaries of the area where posting is desired.
      • At least one sign must be posted along each border and at each corner of the plot.
      • Posting notices must include the name and address of the person posting.

      I don't post, mainly because I don't mind people wandering around in my woods, so long as they don't take anything. This is true for many property owners in my area. I live next to a popular sledding hill, many people cross my property to gain access to the sledding hill. Since I don't put up any barriers or signs restricting access, they are free to do so. They know they aren't on property they own, and they don't have explicit permission to be there, but they know they can be there because nothing is telling them they can't be.

      The following state regulations pertain to controlling access to property. They explain that the onus is on the property owner to make it clear that others are not permitted on the property.

      A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon real property which is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.

      A person who enters or remains upon unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, does so with license and privilege unless notice against trespass is personally communicated to him by the owner of such land or other authorized person, or unless such notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner.

      My wife and daughter recently took a cross country trip together. They took along a laptop with wireless. I had assumed that they would use the wireless networks of the hotels they were staying in. It turns out they used what ever was available. My wife thought that when in a hotel she'd only be able to pick up the hotel's signal. She had no idea she could have perhaps been on networks outside of the hotel. She was also of the opinion that if people didn't want you to use their wireless network, why do they leave it open? From her perspective, wireless networks should be treated like access to real property. If you don't want other people on it, put up barriers or signs. Othewise, don't complain when you find someone camped on it. She's got a point. With real property you assume you can be there unless the owner let's you know in some manner you shouldn't be. Why aren't computer networks the same?

    18. Re:More info by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Funny


      It's fairly obvious that you have no ethical or legal right to use a service that has been misconfigured to give you access, against the intent of the owner. It's irrelevant that the misconfiguration happens to be a factory default.

      I'm so glad I've finally found someone that shares my opinion! I have the same problem with this new webserver I set up for my own use. I get all pissed off when people visit MY webserver without specifically asking permission from me. These bastards are using MY bandwidth, and I didn't even tell them they could use MY server! Sure, I've posted links all over the internet to the website, but that's just to make it easier for me. Why do people click on those links when I didn't tell them it's OK to do so? Some joker even told me he DIDN'T click on the link, his browser did! He claims some weirdo software program did it for him that pre-cache's content to speed up browsing. Maybe I should sue the people who make that caching software, or have them all arrested.

      People have suggested I turn on this whole password thing, but I don't know how to set up that up. Plus I hate typing in passwords.

      I've gone to court about it even. For some strange reason the judge just started laughing and laughing at me though. It was hard for him to even bang the gavel and dismiss my lawsuit because he was laughing so hard.

      (Oh, by the way I hope you didn't read any of this post since I didn't give any explicit permission for you to do so, including this sentence). If you did, expect a lawsuit to follow.

      --
      AccountKiller
  2. My new cunning plan by also-rr · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Don't take any of the many simple steps I could take to lock down my network despite the fact that many devices are designed to automatically lock onto any open wireless network.
    2. Rename wireless network free help yourself.
    3. Insist that charges are pressed against my neighbours.
    4. Buy their houses at low low prices and use the space for an indoor pool and a bowling alley.

  3. Pretty open and shut by Zerbey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Putting aside the fact that running an unsecured network should also be a punishable offence in this day and age, the kid was still in the wrong. Just because you can break into a network does not give you the right to do so. The question is whether or not he did it on purpose or if it was just another stupid Windows box attaching to the nearest open wireless access point (I've lost count of the number of times I've accidentally attached to my neighbour's WAP [1] ... telling Windows not too is like pulling teeth).

    I just hope the conviction isn't too harsh. A fine would be more appropriate than jail time.

    [1] And yes, I have told him to fix it. Even did the neighbourly thing and secured his network for for him. The following day he removed my configuration because "he didn't like entering a password". He'll learn the hard way eventually.

    1. Re:Pretty open and shut by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know what? Fuck you.

      I will be continuing to run my intentionally "unsecured" wireless network.

      How come every random carrier gets to run a wireless network that anybody can use for $10/hour (and, yes, that can be paid anonymously in cash), but I should be punished if I choose to do the same thing for free? For that matter, how come the backbone ISPs get to carry traffic for everybody, everywhere, without asking any questions, but I shouldn't? How come (I suspect you think) they're not responsible for what their users do, but I am?

      If you don't like freedom of communication, then get off the Internet.

      ... and I'm sorry you can't learn to configure your computer properly. Sucks to be you, I guess.

      Oh, and the kid was in the wrong only if he was somehow on notice that the network wasn't intended to be public. Otherwise my right to run an open network would be compromised.

    2. Re:Pretty open and shut by slashbob22 · · Score: 4, Informative
      How come every random carrier gets to run a wireless network that anybody can use for $10/hour (and, yes, that can be paid anonymously in cash), but I should be punished if I choose to do the same thing for free? For that matter, how come the backbone ISPs get to carry traffic for everybody, everywhere, without asking any questions, but I shouldn't?
      I think if you consult the License agreement for your ISP, you will find that you are not permitted to effectively become another Tier 2/3 ISP. Even at "free" you are still buying IP transit from another ISP and providing it to others.

      For that matter, how come the backbone ISPs get to carry traffic for everybody, everywhere, without asking any questions, but I shouldn't?
      For the same reason, you are the one signing the LA and because you are not an ISP, it is assumed that all traffic originating from you is yours/under your control. Certain liability has been waived from ISPs in regards to content because they are merely "keepers of the pipe" and have little influence on what goes through them - you do not fall into that category.

      This is what I understand, but the obvious caveat to this is IANAL.
      --
      Proof by very large bribes. QED.
    3. Re:Pretty open and shut by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that you will find you are wrong. My ISP explicitly permits and encourages me to run a wireless network, which I may run as either paid or open. The agreements are in order all the way up the chain.

      And it's a service agreement, by the way, not a license agreement.

    4. Re:Pretty open and shut by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sorry; I missed the second part.

      In fact, I am just the "keeper of the pipe" in the same way that my upstream ISP is. I AM a service provider for my wireless users, and all the protections applied to service providers apply to me. I have as much legal right, and certainly as much moral right, to act as a service provider as does any large, for-profit corporate entity.

      The basic moral truth here is that I have an absolute right to provide any communication service I want to anybody. Where I am, the law doesn't forbid that right now. Changing or reinterpreting the law to forbid it, or to make it impractical by loading on a lot of stupid administrative and data retention requirements, would be evil and illegitimate.

  4. open on purpose or not? by magarity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is that while some people are clueless and don't secure their wireless, other people have a sharing nature and leave theirs open on purpose. How the heck do you tell the difference?

    1. Re:open on purpose or not? by ranton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your ISP gives you a set amount of bandwidth. If you don't use it, give it away.

      Your ISP is not giving you a certain amount of bandwidth that you can give away if you arent using it. I worked at a small ISP about 7 years ago, and we had about 4000 users but only about 8 actual T1s for their connectivity. There was only enough bandwidth for about 190 users at any one time to be using a full DS0 line. The reason that our users only had a pay a small price was because we could assume that the average user would not be using their connection more than 5% of the time.

      If all of our users started sharing their connection, we would have had to charge more. Same goes for your ISP. I get a 6 Mbps connection from my Cable provider, but it is only about $50/mth. At work we have a T1 that is dedicated for us at 1.5Mbps, but it is about $550/mth. See the difference?

      Sure I get much better upload speeds with the T1, but the real difference is that with the T1 I actual own all of that bandwidth. With my cable connection I am only guaranteed a 6 Mbps when "I" need it, not all of the time. And if someone else is sharing it then I am breaking my user agreement.

      What's the difference if you friend uses your computer or brings over and plugs in his own?

      The difference is because once my friend brings over his computer he is within my household and therefore is not breaking the user agreement. If I can successfully argue at court that we like to picnic across the street at the park while using my wireless network, then it would still not break the user agreement. But if you just have your network open for anyone to use it at any time for any reason, you are breaking your user agreement.

      It is usually pretty easy to tell when something is wrong, but most people will try to justify anything.

      --

      --
      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
  5. Western Decadence by glomph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On my work trip to Singapore, I knew that chewing gum was not legal there. So I went to the local convenience shop, and of course there was no gum, but a large assortment of legal candies. As an internet tech goon, I was drawn to the little plastic box (similar to TicTac) with little purple sugar pills labelled "I Love Flash". Oh and those Singapore immigration landing cards are a hoot, with large red friendly letters "possession of drugs is punished by DEATH'. Of course the US is not THAT bad...

  6. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Funny

    From Hardwarezone:

    ``While the case is the first of its kind here, there have been at least two similar arrests and convictions in the United States.''

    OMG BUSH PWNS CIVIL LIBERTIES!!

    --
    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  7. Slow news day, huh? by LindseyJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's some more rediculously stupid headlines:

    Man wakes up, runs three miles, reports fatigue afterwards

    Clam chowder eaten in Maine. Witnesses report "extremely tasty!"

    American tourist in London says "These people have a funny accent."

    Birds all over planet still flying.


    I mean, come on guys. This is Singapore. Their legal system is so draconian it makes the Patriot Act look spectacular.

  8. There's a saying... by bnavarro · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The Punishment Does Not Fit The Crime"

    My understanding is that Singapore's punishment for littering, vandalism, drugs, and most everything else, is far more severe than most liberal democracies would tolerate. It is NOT surprising, therefore, that he is facing 3 years / $10,000 fine in Singapore, whereas in a western country he would likely face < 1 year + < $3,000 fine for a first offence of a crime of this nature, unless he was caught using the wireless access to do something else illicit, like download child pornography.

    Singapore is a police state. It is not a liberal democracy. It is unfortunate that he is facing such a harsh sentice for such a minor crime, but it should not be unexpected in an unfree country such as this.

    Not to end on a trollish note, but honestly, if you believe that caning and a lengthy prison sentence is a fair and just punishment for spraypainting a wall, then I would suggest you try living in a country that practices such harsh punishments, and see how long you like it there.

    1. Re:There's a saying... by Ross+D+Anderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have lived there, and by and large, this system works well because they publicise the laws so much. Spraypainting a wall is vandalism if whoever owns that wall does not want it there. If you want to avoid the punishment, I'd say it's fairly easy not to do the crime. I've never spraypainted anyones wall by accident anyway. If spraypainting is your thing, buy some canvas, or spraypaint your own house, at least then its you paying for your hobby, not somebody else having to pay to have it removed. The punishment for gum, though extreme, is also easily work aroundable. Don't chew gum. They make it even easier for you, as most places don't sell it. And I bet you can't visit without seeing a no-gum sign clearly visible throughout the country.

    2. Re:There's a saying... by Pink+Tinkletini · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps the culture in Singapore is such that gum chewing is considered immoral, if everyone agrees that (a) when chewing gum, it's all too tempting to spit it on the sidewalk instead of finding a trash can, and if everyone also agrees (b) the best way to prevent people from chewing gum is to enforce strict punishments against it. Simply banning spitting on sidewalks wouldn't be considered an adequate solution because of (a) above. Now I understand Singapore's no democracy, but from what I've seen this is a completely reasonable assessment of mainstream Singaporean culture.

      In short, it's a mistake to force Western notions of freedom and morality on a culture that already has its own conceptions of both.

    3. Re:There's a saying... by jrumney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought the "Asian values" movement went out of fashion in the 1990s. Lets face it, authoritarian psuedo-democracies who met out excessive punishments for non-conformity are ugly, no matter whose notions of freedom and morality you use.

    4. Re:There's a saying... by DHM · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You're right that the tendency to impose bans, with excessive punishments for violating the bans, is typically Singaporean. But to ban chewing gum because some people were sticking it on the elevator buttons takes it to a ridiculous extreme that took most Singaporeans by surprise. I was in Singapore in 1991, just before the ban, and by chance I happened to learn about it before it went into effect. When I told people that their government was about to ban chewing gum, they didn't believe me, and in fact thought I was making an insulting joke. Basically the gum-chewing ban was a terrible mistake. It made Singapore an international laughingstock, and it may have somewhat eroded many Singaporeans' respect for their government.

      In short, it's a mistake to force Western notions of freedom and morality on a culture that already has its own conceptions of both.

      I'm sure it wasn't meant to be, but in a way that seems like a condescending attitude. It's as if to say that we should apply lower standards of freedom or morality to Singapore, because some of their attitudes are different from mainstream Western attitudes, the implication being that Singapore is somehow inferior.
    5. Re:There's a saying... by Jartan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If what you said were true about ANY culture it would be wrong. It's not a "mistake" to force well established "notions" of freedom (specifically freedom) on another culture that has it's own notions of such. Cultures are not free to just do whatever they feel like just because the majority agrees.

      Your attempt to be "culturally open" in this example ignores the fact that someone who likes to chew gum isn't doing anything wrong and is having his right to do so taken away simply because other people might spit it out on a sidewalk. If that society agrees that spitting gum on the sidewalk is just too unacceptable the only proper way to stop it is too inflict an extreme harsh penalty on the act of spitting gum.

      For further reading see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majoritarianism

  9. Nope by argoff · · Score: 3, Informative

    What was really funny is that Singapore has laws against wasting water, but then they also have laws requiring you to flush the tiolet in public places. So people got all scared that it was illegal to poop, because if they flushed they could be fined for wasting water and if the didn't they could be fined for not flushing. Of course, they couldn't complain about this problem because it would embarass the government and bring penalities upon them too, so to my knowledge it is still technically illegal to poop to this day, unless they made added an extension for a signle flush.

    Also, I renember discussing with people when gum was banned in 89 (? I think). Contrary to myth, it wasn't to keep the sidewalks clean. It was because they engineered their subway system so poorly and so stupidly, that if you blocked one door - that none of the other doors would work and the whole freakin system would shut down. It wasn't long before kids discovered that all they gotta do is stuff their gum in the door on the way out, so then the doors couldn't shut, the subway couldn't move, and the whole freaking system would go out of service. So basically it was a stupid law to hide the faults of a stupid system. If that is the perfect description of Singapore then I don't know what is. (Singapore inc. as they call themselves .... yeah whatever)

    1. Re:Nope by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, can you point to a subway system where blocking a door doesn't prevent the subway from moving???

      Also, some evidence of your claim about the reason for the ban on chewing gum would be appreciated. 'Cause I think you might be wrong.

    2. Re:Nope by KenSeymour · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to this the ban has been softened. You can now buy chewing gum with a prescription.

      Here are some other references to the chewing gum ban.

      --
      "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
    3. Re:Nope by Slimcea · · Score: 5, Informative

      How the fuck this got modded Informative I have no idea, but here are the firsthand facts from someone living there - water wastage is indeed illegal, but the context in which it is applied has always been towards wanton wastage of public water for non-constructive purposes. Private usage of water has never been regulated - you're free to do exactly what you want with the water flowing out of your taps; just be expected to pay for it. On the other hand, public water (aka those from public taps) wastage is regulated, and there should is no reason why it shouldn't be. While washing your cars with water from public taps or using them to fill up water guns for a friendly water fight has and will always be fine, there should be no reason to allow people to use up a swimming pool's worth of water just to clean a dirty windscreen.

      As for the gum and the subway issue, I don't know where you live, but over here, automation means the lack of human oversight, so to err on safety is always better for commuters. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be flung out of a high speed train onto a set of electric rails just because they decided that hey, a door that won't shut isn't as important as sticking to the schedule. As a citizen and frequent user of said train system, despite what was reported, gum pretty much affected the running of the trains. What gum certainly was though was a public nuisance that stuck to your shoes or pants if you were unlucky enough. I'll concede that I don't think the magnitude of the problem back then was large enough to warrant a complete ban.

      In any case, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. Gum was banned in 1992, and your other posts on kids and drugs (categorically false BTW) makes it abundantly clear that (a) you've never stepped foot in Singapore (b) you have no idea what is going on in Singapore.

    4. Re:Nope by Potor · · Score: 2, Informative

      apparently anything can be modded +5 informative on slashdot.

    5. Re:Nope by The+Cydonian · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gum is not banned. Sale of gum is. Perfectly legal to step through Changi or Woodlands with your pockets full of chewing gum. And even at that, gum for "medicinal" purposes is still legal; it is possible to get Wringley's at your local Guardian's, just that you have to give in your NRIC number and stuff. (Haven't tried it though; my hatred for gum is long-standing, and beats my contempt for Big Brother Singapore)

      No, I don't get tired pointing this out all the time.

  10. Yet another useless comment by biggomez777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To all of you that say he wasn't doing anything malicious: how do you know? And are you using your definition of malicious or the owner of the WAP? If my connection was open(it's not) and someone wanted to check their email, I wouldn't mind. Someone else might. However, probably everyone would mind if someone slammed their connection with torrent traffic 24/7. It might be all "legal" traffic, but it would still be damnned annoying, and malicious in my book.

    The only real solution I see to this is to secure ALL wireless networks out of the box. It would keep windows from auto-attaching, and would make anyone logging into one liable if someone complained. The argument "well I didn't know I wasn't supposed to be there" goes right out the window. Then, if you decide to unlock your network, everyone knows that you meant to, and not that you're some fool that said "I want a wireless network! yay!" without knowing what that really means.

  11. Re:This is absolutely right. -- Is it? by ranton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem here is that many people purposfully leave their wireless open so that others can use it.
    When I first turned on a new mac notebook recently, it auto searched for networks and found one. Would using that network be wrong?

    Yes, it is wrong. The user agreement for virtually all ISPs does not allow their users to share their internet connection wirelessly, no matter how generous your neighbors feel. Permission is not theirs to give. If a friend of mine had 1 Bears football ticket and tried to sneak me in with him, we would both be in the wrong.

    --

    --
    -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
  12. Re:This is absolutely right by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Informative
    As for the proportionality of the punishment: well, that's a matter for the sovereign nation of Singapore and its citizens to resolve.
    Well, not for the citizens, because Singapore is hardly democratic; citizens certainly have no say in the way the country runs.

    Heck, even the economic growth rate is a state secret!!!!

    Feh. Singapore: Disneyland with the death penalty (William Gibson)

  13. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Personally those who have open wifi networks need to close them.

    Says who? Do you own a provider that stands to profit from selling EV-DO service?

    I have a (firewalled) access point that has the SSID "UseMe". I *want* people to be able to get free Internet access. They aren't able to jump onto my personal network, just use the Internet for free. Sometimes handy if you're driving, have a laptop, and need to pull up Google Maps for directions.

    -b.

  14. Re:China is bad, and Singapore isn't soft either by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they have any oil? I think the Singaporeans need to be "liberated" a la Bush 2.0 :)

  15. Re:This is absolutely right. -- Is it? by Hizonner · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The user agreement for virtually all ISPs does not allow their users to share their internet connection wirelessly, no matter how generous your neighbors feel.

    False. Yes, most consumer ISP service agreements forbid this. There are significant exceptions. And almost any ISP that has any non-consumer operations will sell you a connection that you can share if you're willing to give them enough money. I have a "legal" open wireless network, with the permission of my ISP, and so do lots of other people. There is no reason my users should assume my network isn't legitimate.

    If you leave a network wide open, you are doing the only thing you can to invite people to use it. Absent information to the contrary, there's no reason it should be forbidden to assume the good faith of such an invitation. If your ISP service agreement doesn't permit you to share the bandwidth, then you need to close down the network, or somehow put people on notice that they can't use it. Only you, not the users, are in the wrong if you don't.

  16. Same story in a physical way by sno4u · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was recently driving down a country road up in the mountains and the passenger and I had to use the bathroom so I took a side road that went about 15 feet and ended in a small forested clearing. We got out and did our business then 2 county police SUVs pulled up and after about a 45 minutes of threats and questioning we were both handcuffed and arrested on charges of criminal tresspassing II (Outdoor tresspassing) After spending the weekend in jail I was arreigned and got to read the police report. Apparently this was a private driveway for a house that will be built the following year and the owner saw us from the housee he is living in now which is up on the hill. Now there were no private driveway or no tresspassing signs on the driveway which probably would have turned us around but it is the law and after talking to my lawyer it seems hopeless to fight this charge (Our town has a population of around 900 people and the good old boy system is extremely hard to break without spending a small fortune to bring a lawyer from a larger city such as Seattle or Bellevue in to fight for you. As of this time the state is asking for 180 days in jail with 170 suspended and a total fine of $1850 with 2 years of supervised probation and random drug testing. Seems somewhat of the same to me as I also run an unsecured wireless network and I dont mind if people log in and use my network. It seems to me that if you dont want someone using your network, take a second to read your router's manual and put a password on it. Then there are always the people who just set traps like building a driveway 30 miles up a dirt road and not putting a sign or gate on it and wait on a hill with binoculars waiting for someone to tresspass....

  17. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
    "I live in the US so I don't know about the rest of the world; are now shipping with WEP or WAP turned on. "

    Nope...just bought a new Linksys...and no security is on by default.

    --
    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  18. How is this a crime? by eebra82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The way I see it, if I open up an insecure wireless network, I also tell others that they too are invited to it.

    An open network is OPEN.
    A password-protected network is CLOSED, but open to those who have the password.

    If anyone hacks the password-protected network and bypasses the password protection, this is trespassing and misuse.

    I live in a large house with lots of apartments with many neighbors who possess such unprotected networks. What if my router is down and my laptop connects to one of these networks? Am I then going to prison, because I never noticed it? Hell no.

  19. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Informative

    >Before everyone flies off the handle here, remember that this is happening in Singapore, who has much more draconian law enforcement than the US or Europe.

    Examples:

    • Corporal punishment: Beating with a bamboo cane, causes permanent scarring.
    • Homosexuality punishible by death.
    • Capital punishment also for marijuana use.
    • Huge fines for eating or drinking in many public places (e.g., subways)
    • State-controlled media: no freedom of the press.

    However, law-abiding Singaporeans, though trouubled by the principle of such punishments, seem pretty darn happy with their prosperous and sqeaky-clean city-state. It is every autocrat's dream. I think that the case of Singapore demonstrates that democracy isn't a prerequisite for a effective government. A also think it's interesting that the West counts Singapore as one of the "good guys" despite its antithetical form of government: It belies that, when American presidents speak of "spreading democracy," they really mean "opening up markets" -- and if your market is open, they don't so much care about democracy itself. (In the case of Singapore, that is nevertheless a good thing, because Singapore's government works.)

    I do hope that in time Singapore becomes more liberal on its own. Because many Singaporeans, though reasonably satisfied, do feel the same way, I expect that will happen. Modern, enlightened countries can't keep laws on the books for killing people just because they are gay [or for killing anyone, for that matter (you listening, U.S.?)].

  20. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful
    My SSID, OTOH, is "GetOut". i.e. no, you cannot use this AP.

    Why not just name it "JoeSchmoe" or whatever your name is and use strongest encryption? "GetOut" seems like waving a red flag in front of every 1337 script kiddie that wants to impress its friends by hax0ring.

    -b.

  21. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh, an open AP is literally an invitation. Nobody is hacking your wirez, you are actually broadcasting the availability of a service. Another great example of getting pissed off at someone else because you didn't read the damn manual. It's a FIVE PAGE BOOKLET. It HAS PICTURES. They literally DREW A PICTURE FOR YOU.

    --
    Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
  22. Re:This is absolutely right. -- Is it? by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, I assume that you call the operator of every Web server and get permission before you connect to it, right?

    No. You don't. You don't because setting up a Web server, and not doing anything to restrict access to it, implicitly authorizes people to use it, at least in any "normal" way.

    You also don't look around for an "OK to drink" sign before you use a public drinking fountain. Not even when that fountain is on private property. Also, by the way, you don't go around inquiring whether the drinking fountain operator has an agreement with the water company that permits her to give away the water. You just drink the damned water.

    We're talking about what norms should be established in a relatively new case. I claim that the norms should be consistent (meaning that the same norms that apply to T-Mobile should apply to me), that they should be practical (meaning that there's a reasonable way to have an open network and an reasonable way to have a closed one), and that they should comport with the way the installed technology behaves (meaning that, since the default configuration of practically every computer is to connect with any available open network, that behavior should be expected).

    The people who want closed networks already have methods available to them. It's trivial to mark a network as not being available-- don't beacon the SSID, or turn on MAC filtering, or turn on authentication or encryption. Those are simple, reasonable ways of marking the network as closed, and they work within the technological framework. Asking me to talk to every user or post a sign goes outside the technological framework and is an unreasonable burden.

  23. Missing Information by 4105 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect how this person was caught would explain why he was arrested. If he lived in an adjacent apartment, and quietly surfed on his neighbors signal I suspect the chances of getting caught are extremely slim. On the other hand if he sat outside the guy's doorway and taunted him about stealing his signal, I suppose that would be another matter. It is highly likely that this person did something to provoke his neighbor. If you knew how to track down a person stealing your wireless, it is unlikely that you would have an unsecured connection.

  24. Dear Cisco... by senorzapato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "While there are no statistics on how commonplace the practice of piggybacking unsecured home wireless networks is, networking firm Cisco System's spokesman, Mr Rayson Cheo, said it is probably quite widespread here."

    Mr. Cheo, I have an Idea.
    How about making those Linksys WRT54G routers, which can be found in every house including dog houses doll houses and outhouses, secure?
    Why is it I can find an "unsecured wireless network" named "linksys" on any neighborhood street in America? And why would Cisco claim to be concerned with the matter - or are you simply more concerned with the matter that securing your boxes out-of-the-box would drive up support costs and drive down sales? (Rhetorical question.)

  25. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by linuxmop · · Score: 4, Informative
    Although Singapore's laws are somewhat draconian in areas, you are exaggerating:
    • Homosexuality is NOT punishable by death. Apparently it is punishable with life imprisonment, but I get the impression (via Wikipedia) that this is not often done.
    • Marijuana USE is NOT punishable by death. However, drug trafficking is punishable by death, and you can be convicted of drug trafficking by carrying a large amount of drugs.
    • Yes, there are some restrictions on freedom of the press (e.g. you can't publicly write about religion or race, apparently), but not all media is state-controlled.
  26. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by karmatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have an ISP that allows me to share my service. I want to make it available to those around me.

    How do I tell people it's free and available, without them connecting to me first?

    I run a web site. I want customers to access it. How can I let people know it's free and open, without them connecting to me first (and potentially "tresspassing" in the process).

    The answer to both is simple, and should be handled similarly to how physical property is handled. A front door is an invitation to tresspass, long enough to state your business (it has to be so, or you could never visit anyone). Trespass is when you extend your stay once you have been told to leave. With computer systems on publically accessible networks (internet), or publically accessable airways (wifi), the only sensible solution is to have a password or other authentication on things which shouldn't be public. When you get a big "Access Denied" message, it should be a hint that what you are accessing is considered private.

    Do you really want to live in a world where you need prior written permission to visit a neighbor, visit slashdot, or use the wifi at starbucks?

  27. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by roystgnr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Technically, functionally, you may be right. Morally and ethically might be a different question.

    The main question is..."if it is unsecured, is that a specific invitation to use it?"


    Morally and ethically, if I buy a yard decoration that has "Dulces Libres Aqui" painted on it, I don't then get to turn around and sue a bunch of hispanic kids for trespassing because I don't know Spanish. We wouldn't have a problem if judges understood that internet protocols they've never heard of like SSID and DHCP broadcasts are languages in which offers can be made, just like Spanish and just like protocols like HTTP they have heard of.

    Seriously, if you don't don't trust those "technical, functional" protocols to grant you permission to use network resources, you just shouldn't use the internet at all. You've probably got written permission to use your ISP's routers; how much other "moral, ethical" permission do you have? Are you sure Slashdot's owners want you hitting their website? HTTP servers are configured to be open-by-default just like wireless routers, you know - perhaps Malda just never got around to disallowing your IP block. You could mail him a letter to ask, but that'll get pretty tedious if you have to do hunt down the owners of every computer that has only given you "technical, functional" permission to access it. At some point you just have to trust that when the network service says "please take this (web page|IP address|etc) you asked for", it's telling the truth.

  28. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technically, functionally, you may be right. Morally and ethically might be a different question. The main question is..."if it is unsecured, is that a specific invitation to use it?"

    Yes. An unsecured wireles access point is constantly sending out an invitation to every device nearby. It's broadcasting "Hey, I'm here, connect to me!" to every device nearby.

    So yes, leaving a wireless access point unsecured means it's constantly and actively inviting everyone to connect to it. It's not just sitting there waiting for connections (like a HTTP server, for example), it's like a spammer sending e-mails with connection instructions to everyone nearby.

    Personally I say no. You and others may have a different opinion.

    This is not an opinion. This is how the Wi-Fi protocol works. Leaving an access point unsecured means it's constantly sending invitations to connect to every device nearby. Maybe that's not what the owner meant, but it's what his actions (or inaction) amount to anyway. And I, for one, am starting to get a bit tired on having to walk on eggshells because some morons can't be bothered to RTFM.

    --

    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  29. Re:Why all or nothing? by biggomez777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Easy. I don't trust my neighbors not to download kiddie porn on my network. Maybe it's because there are registered sex offenders near me, maybe it's because I'm paranoid, but I like avoiding the FBI thank you.

  30. An interesting note on law enforcement by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When 42 guys in suits go walking, someone's gonna die.
    Once upon a time, Al "Scarface" Capone was arrested for tax evasion. But that isn't why he went to jail. '42 guys in suits' is the name of a song written about the accountants who were used to prove this case.

    For someone to be arrested for such a small crime, his neighbor had to be annoyed to the point of calling the police (cause they don't go around looking for war drivers) and the police had to of had an interest in this guy for some other reason. (More or less, don't quote me on this)

    So I would infer that this is not the case where someone was logging into an unsecured wireless broadcast, as people are complaining about. He probably hacked into his neighbor's wireless and refused to stop when his neighbor found out. Even at that point, the police probably wouldn't arrest him (do people get arrested for noise complaints?) I suspect he was also doing something illegal which he was masking using the wireless access, and the police did not have enough evidence to prove it was him. So they grabbed him using what they could.

    Though the alternative is funny. One day Cedric's laptop which is turned on in his backpack connects to an unsecured wireless network as he is walking through the park. The SWAT team jumps out from the surrounding bushes and trees and throws him groundward at gunpoint. He is sentenced to one year hard labor at the local quarry and his laptop is confiscated. Sadly the locker which it is stored in is adjacent to a coffee shop with unsecured wireless, and thus Cedric's sentence increases to the point where the government decided to send him to the gallows. Cedric's will then bestows the laptop to his mother... :D

  31. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by chamenos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please moderate parent informative. I am Singaporean, and most of the misconceptions about Singapore's infamously draconian laws are highly exaggerated. The Singapore Police Force relies more on the threat of such laws and the occasional example being made to ensure social order, rather than the actual enforcement of such laws. This has resulted in a population that is obedient, self-policing, and politically apathetic; every politician's wet dream.

  32. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you can't bother to tell people that this is private (the moral equivalent of installing a fence with a gate), then yes, you are inviting everyone to use your router. I don't care to hear anyone bitching that it's too technical, either. A subliterate moron could figure this stuff out.

    --
    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  33. Its a trap?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The neighbor knew how to check if someone is using his wireless network, but doesn't know how to secure it? An open wireless network is an invitation for anyone to use it.

    Internet access through a wireless network that is probably connected to a ADSL modem has fixed costs. The guy really didn't lose anything. So he just doesn't want anyone else to benefit from something he has paid for.

    The charged teenager is 17 years old. The neighbor could have told his parents what he was doing and they could have told him to stop or take away his computer...

    Sounds like the neighbor wanted someone to use his network, so he could sue them.

  34. Re:An analogy since some don't like metaphors.. :P by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In many jurisdictions, there is a "reasonable person" test that would probably apply here. Businesses don't have locked doors, and it's not trespassing for you to enter them without explicit permission. But the fact that there's a business name above the front door, and their front door is unlocked, is usually enough for one to assume that permission is implied.

    A wireless access point that is *announcing* itself as being open could be considered implied permission to use it. Note that the access point doesn't just have a sign on it that says "open". It is actively beaconing its "openness" to solicit users. This is all defined as part of the 802.11 "contract" between computer systems, and just because some owners don't understand what they're doing when they set up an 802.11 access point doesn't mean it's unreasonable for others to assume they do.

    Of course, when the owner of the access point tells someone to stop using it, that implied permission no longer exists, just like a business owner can tell someone to leave their store. You've been asked not to use it, so any continued use is legally actionable (though it still may not be illegal, depending on the laws in your area).

  35. If it's worth 3 years by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    of someone's life, then it's worth spending some time to harden it in the first place.
    Yes, what the guy did was wrong, yes he should be punished, but 3 years for the next best thing to entrapment?

    If you reported your car stolen after leaving it unlocked with the engine running and the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town you'd be laughed out of the police station.
    Stealing the car is still wrong, but surely you can't expect it not to be stolen under those circumstances. Doesn't that make it entrapment?

    Why is it that the IT equivalent of exploiting such gross stupidity is demonized?

  36. Re:remember, this is SINGAPORE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    To add to this:

      Singapore has a fledging homosexuality and just released a book about gay people living in Singapore, to great fanfare (there was a book signing at Borders on Orchard Road and LOTS of press about it)

      Whilst Marijuana use isn't punishable by death, having a set amount (and this amount really is quite small); is considered ownership with intent to distrubute and is punishable by death. I spent my last two years of highschool in Singapore, and one of the students in my year level had to flee the country after being discovered by the school as having a 'death-sentence' quantity cannabis in his possession.

      You are correct about the freedom of press, having said that, you can still write about race or religion as demonstrated by this hilarious and underappreciated book that deals with religions, race (malasya vs singapore for example), government censorship, etc: http://www.bigomagazine.com/theshop/books/skewme.h tml

  37. Easy to make an error in Spore by adsl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I visited relatives in Spore and switched on my WiFi PDA. I immediately got on line. Problem was I suddenly realised i wasn't using my relatives WiFi. I did some quick research and found 3 strong and one week network was available (all open for me). I had to go and ask my relatives which was their network. Basically houses and apartments in Spore are pretty close together. I would think the need is more to educate the people, who open up the networks, to make them difficult to enter, b4 prosecuting users. Of course we don't know the background to this incident and how much and for what prupose this person used the open network.

  38. This is not breaking into someone else's airwaves! by cpotoso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is NOT breaking into someone else's airwaves. I am sorry, but if you send unsecured packets through the airspace in my home then I feel completely free to use them as I please. Either: a) use encryption or b) a low intensity signal. The supposed equivalent of breaking into someone's homes just because the door is locked is wrong, the correct analogy is someone leaving stuff inside your kitchen and you taking it...

  39. Re:Don't Blame the Newbies by darkonc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Most people who buy wifi don't know that they need to secure their networks... This is more like blaming a 3 year old girl for walking around naked when she gets abused by a pediophile. She doesn't know enough to put her knickers on, and the pediophile is presumed to know enough to ignore the 3-year old.

    Yes, I realize that sometimes people will accidently end up on an unsecured network that's not theirs -- but that's more like shooting the 4 year old who ends up playing 'doctor' with the 3 year old... He should get a firm talking-to, but throwing the 4-year old in jail for statutory rape is just a stupid as telling the 3 year old that it's all her fault.

    --
    Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
  40. Re:An analogy since some don't like metaphors.. :P by Fastolfe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If your house has the front door standing open and your name is on the mail box, is it okay for me to cruise by, see it, come on in ...

    If my house had a "Fastolfe's Widgets and More!" sign above it, and a reasonable person would think my home looks like a business. Bear in mind that in many older cities, buildings have been converted from homes and apartments into shops and businesses with little change in the appearance of the building. In these areas, it's the signs that make it clear.

    ... and take something you own?

    That's just stealing, and you'd get in trouble for it even if my home were a legitimate business. When it's snowing outside and you walk into a store, you're "taking" their heat and shelter. They have to pay money to keep you warm and dry. Are you leeching off someone else's dollar? Let's assume you entered the store specifically for that reason, and you have no intention of shopping there. Even that isn't illegal, or even legally actionable by itself. They're free to ask you to leave, however, if/when they discover that you aren't a real customer.

    The difference between someone leeching and someone making legitimate use of something legitimately shared rests entirely with the intent of the owner of the access point. Unfortunately, 802.11 does not distinguish between someone legitimately attempting to share their access point with little or no compensation, and an idiot plugging in an access point and bulldozing their way through every question/setting that prevents their wireless laptop from working, without reading the instructions or understanding the ramifications of their choices.

    Think of a row house where someone puts a fake business sign on their door, and some fake "We accept Visa/MasterCard" stickers on the window, because they think it'd be funny. Do they have a right to call the cops on every person that walks through their front door thinking it's a business? A proper solution is to put up a sign that says "Not open to the public" or take down the signs that make it look like it is. In 802.11 terms, this means securing the access point.

  41. Fuck Wikipedia, I used to live there. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a country where when the oposition is campaining they are sued for defamation if in their opinion a government official is not doing his job.

    I leave it to you to guess how many cases has the oposition won.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.