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Variety Declares VHS Dead

An anonymous reader writes "Variety has written an obituary for the VHS format only 3 years after it was surpassed in popularity by the DVD." While VHS is hardly the format of choice these days, there are still many, many home movies and other favorite recordings and commercial releases floating around in VHS. How long until VHS players themselves go the way of the 8-track player?

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  1. Consider the source... if you can understand them by tverbeek · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'll start listening to Variety about contemporary trends as soon as they drop that inane, out-dated hipster lingo that they use instead of the English language.

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  2. the real question by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long until VHS players themselves go the way of the 8-track player?

    With the cost of storage plummeting and the rise of digital distribution and on-demand services, the real question should be: "How long until physical distribution of media goes the way of the 8-track player?"

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    1. Re:the real question by LindseyJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you need an example of why we're not ready for a paperless society (or even an example of why it may just be completely unworkable altogether), look no further than Diebold.

    2. Re:the real question by El+Torico · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where's my flying car?

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    3. Re:the real question by RicktheBrick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When do you think one can download a movie for less than the cost of renting one at a video store. I can rent a recent movie for $3 and keep it overnight. It will be viewed more than once during that time so unless they increase the speed of downloading so one can watch the movie instantly and have a price of say $1 per view than I would not be interested. I think that vhs tapes are better than dvd disks too. I can give my 4 year old a tape and not have to start it up for him. DVD's usually require a menu entry to start them and if they get dirty from handling they will freeze in the middle of the movie. One has to take the disk out and clean it and than try to fast forward to the point where it stopped. One can stop a tape and take it out and give it back when other things are done with and the tape will just continue at the point where it stopped. I would think that parents of young children should be enough demand to keep tapes going or so I hope.

  3. More like the cassette than 8-track. by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Still around, still useful, just not commonplace.

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    1. Re:More like the cassette than 8-track. by gosand · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Still around, still useful, just not commonplace.


      Hmm, I wonder how commonplace it is. I still use mine. Not so much to watch movies, but I will record things and watch them. I just don't have that big of a desire or need to get a DVR. I had a friend that used his VCR a LOT. He had probably 100 video tapes of things he had taped that he needed to watch. He upgraded to TiVO, and now he has a more compact way of recording things that he never watches. I honestly don't know what people are recording. I watch about 3 shows, and if I miss them, I miss them - whooptie doo. I just can't really justify the cost of a DVR. But then again, I don't understand why people spend $1200+ on a television, or $300 on a video card for their computer.

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    2. Re:More like the cassette than 8-track. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Taping with the DVD recorder does not feel as "safe" as with VHS.
      We have a recorder here and often I wonder if the old model was better designed for the task.
      It was rare a tape just broke.
      Sure, it would get slowly grainy and you could basically get one final watch out of them.
      The DVDs suck because one error can fuck up the entire show.

      I hope NTL hurry up and bring out a PVR.

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  4. VHS? Dead? by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, as long as I have a huge collection of videos with films and stuff recorded off the TV, and until a usable alternative for recording from the TV that I own and control becomes available, VHS is going to be in my house for quite a bit longer.

    I suspect that film studios would like to see the back of VHS and any format that allows easy recording, but it's what people want and why it really accelerated into such a popular format.

    1. Re:VHS? Dead? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you can't own and control a DVD writing DVR? You can't control MythTV or any other open software PVR solutions?

    2. Re:VHS? Dead? by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Much like existing DVRs, DVD recorders, cable boxes, and PC TV tuners. If you've got an analog source, none of it matters. There's nothing separating VHS from anything else out there that records from an analog input.

  5. 8-Track by subreality · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I actually suspect VHS won't go the way of the 8-Track. 8-Track has a small cult following that's endeared to it because of it's impractical quirkiness. No fast forward, no rewind. You wanna hear your favorite song again? Wait for it to work its way around.

    VHS, on the other hand, didn't have any cute annoyances. It wasn't a great standard, but it had no major drawbacks. And for that reason, I don't expect it's nostalgia to hang on nearly so long.

  6. Yeah, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    VHS tapes are much more durable than DVDs. If you want a clear idea of the difference, try borrowing some high-traffic DVDs from the library and viewing those. VHS tapes are also handy when one needs to "tape" something to watch later.

  7. Mass adoption by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    seriously hard to kill the peoples choice

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  8. VHS will die when... by Vskye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can get movies that are only available on VHS. Or if you have a security system based on VHS recording and you actually get around to switching everything over to DVR. Or if your VHS player dies and you can not find a replacement.

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  9. Great source of a slashdot article by east+coast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are we paying credence to the likes of Variety on a geek site? And frankly, who cares what they think?

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  10. Re:VHS won't die until. . . by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Insightful

    VHS won't die until the HTPC appliance fully matures, and a DRM-free medium is adapted en masse, and can record both NTSC and ATSC.

    Most purchasers these days don't care about DRM and have no idea what NTSC or ATSC are. Those who do know NTSC don't know what ATSC is.

    DVD recordable is almost there, but is less flexible than an HTPC and won't record high-def, so why bother upgrading?

    I agree that DVD*R is pretty much DOA, mainly because it was just too complicated for a lot of people though.

    Tivo almost has it, except...

    tivo decides how long you can keep recordings (in some cases at least), NOT you


    Well, it is a FIFO setup, at least for content that you select, although not all DVRs work this way. But that's usually okay, and given the choice many people would prefer dropping the oldest footage they've asked for rather than the newest. In any case, if you try to put 22 hours of content into a 20 hour space, 2 hours of it are going to be lost.

    PLUS it requires a monthly subscription and either a land line or ethernet connection to phone home.

    Well, that's for namebrand Tivo. Almost all cable companies offer DVRs. Besides, compared to the cost of cable/sattelite, most people don't care about a Tivo subscription fee if they make use of the Tivo-specific features.

    Also, Tivo makes it FAR to difficult to record say, Smallville or Desperate Housewives or whatever it is you and your friends all want to watch, then take that recording over to a friend's house or simply lend it out

    Yup. Turns out that most of your friends probably have DVRs too. Those who don't, generally don't care. Those who do care will come and visit you to watch it if its that important.

    It's FAR to difficult for the average joe to record a show for you while you're on vacation and then give you the timeshifted content.

    So what? With many providers, you can just go online and add it yourself. Besides, unlike a traditional VCR you've probably set up a Season Pass to record what you want before you leave the house in the first place.

    I think that VHS will be around until the HTPC is easy to use, DRM-free, HDTV capable, AND the public is made aware of it.

    DVRs are easy to use, HDTV capable, and the public is aware of them. And almost nobody outside of /. gives a damn about the DRM, like it or not.

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  11. The real answer by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'll happen when broadband becomes as ubiquitous and as reliable as electricity. We have a loooong way to go before that happens.

    1. Re:The real answer by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We ? Not quite. Our Governments have a long way to go before they wake up and lay down the adequate infrastructure to support nationwide broadband. They're still of the attitude that high-speed internet access is a luxury, that it's for geeks and gamers. Will someone smack them in the face and demonstrate that we can do a helluva lot more online, and could do even better if there were enough pipe to push content through. VOIP, IPTV, day-to-day business.. Hell I'd rather pay my bills online than physically walk down to an ATM, with the inevitable scum walking by, checking out how much cash I'm carrying, judging the risk vs benefit of trying to jump me. Or maybe I have a beef with the act of renting videos, only to pop them into a computer for playback, then returning them to the physical store... when it would have been faster and easier to just download it off the net, and that's with my current 5meg line - imagine 100meg like some european countries offer...

      People are quick to shoot it down because they think more bandwidth will mean more piracy. I do consider piracy to be a direct competitor to traditional business, simply because the pirated material is usually more convenient and certainly cost-effective, because they take advantage of the latest technology advancements. We've had DivX for what, 6-7 years now ? Why doesn't Blockbuster or Jumbo Video offer video streaming ? Why do I have to spend an hour driving to the store, hunting down a box that's in no particular order and is probably already out, just to see a stupid movie ? Most cable companies now offer "digital cable", including video-on-demand... pay-per-view done better, and they're immensely successful. They'd be even better if they charged reasonable prices instead of the $6.99 average for movies (and godawful prices for porn - have they never heard of the internet?). Still at that price point, the convenience of not having to leave home and not having the risk of all copies being out, there is great value in there!

      Now we need more businesses and services could learn to adapt to online-ness and harness it's potential. Some places offer telework over the net, which is fantastic when applicable. Why waste limited real estate just for a chair, desk and phone when we all have that at home ? I'd be happy to give up my physical work place, save the travel and lunch money and use it to rent a bigger residence, or maybe upgrade my office equipment to help me work more comfortably, efficiently. The costs saved to the employer could to to create more jobs, or offer better price competition, more value to the shareholders and the customers. So why the hell are we not doing this already ? Government barriers, financial barriers, tax barriers, and old-mentality brick walls.

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  12. Re:Audio by WMD_88 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    DVD simply cannot match the quality of audio signal obtained from a tape in good condition played on a quality stereo VCR.

    Therein lies the problem: You need good tapes (and tapes will wear out, and with no new ones...), and a good VCR (many suck). On top of that, VHS HiFi stereo really isn't all that great. It's not as bad as VHS linear mono (shudder), but it's not like vinyl or anything. And there's no surround sound support (no, "Dolby 2.0 surround" doesn't count). Dolby 5.1 at 448kbps is not that bad, seriously. I don't know what everyone's problem is. In fact, I can't think of a single VHS tape I own that sounds better than a DVD. And all the tapes have horrible dynamic range, too.
    Besides, why would *audio*philes care about a video format?
  13. Re:Allready been there. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, what I take as a pretty serious indicator is the fact that the prices of VHS tape drives is rising, due to the economies of scale going away. Surveillance customers who were buying machines for $300/unit in January are paying upwards of $500/unit now.
    -jcr

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  14. VHS to 8 Track - Bad Analogy by ThumperByTrade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comparing VHS and cassettes is a much better analysis. 8 track was never a popular medium for home recording like cassettes and VHS. Even today, a substantial portion of portable radios still come with cassette players. I say that VCRs will last until all forms of physical media are made extinct by on demand services.

  15. I'm not dead yet by mblase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How long until VHS players themselves go the way of the 8-track player?

    Until I can buy a DVD-RW recorder or a hard drive recorder for my TV that's under $50. Until then, I'll keep using my VCR to record my favorite shows every week.

  16. Re:VHS won't die until. . . by simishag · · Score: 2, Insightful

    VHS is dead because it's actually pretty easy to transfer your Tivo shows off the hard drive. All you need is a VCR, and...

    Oh, wait.

  17. The one thing I'll miss about VHS... by meme_police · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is that I NEVER had a bad rental tape. More than half the DVDs I've rented have had problems of varying impact. If VHS is dying please bring on convenient downloads because I don't think I'll ever rent a DVD again.

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  18. Cassettes/VHS not dead for many by mrraven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A Nakamichi, Tandberg, or Revox tape deck IMO sounds better than any CD. There is still an active subculture maintaining these cassette decks because they sound so good and they are so simple and reliable to record with. See for example:

    http://naks.com/

    I imagine the use of video and cassette tapes is still very active outside the U.S., Europe, and Japan.

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