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Deconstructing a Pump-and-Dump Spam Botnet

Behind the Front writes "eWeek has teamed up with Joe Stewart, a senior security researcher at SecureWorks in Atlanta, to show the inner working of a massive botnet that is responsible for the recent surge of 'pump and dump' spam. It's a detailed picture of how these sleazy operations work and why they're so hard to shut down. Sobering numbers: 70,000 infected machines capable of pumping out a billion messages a day, virtually all of them for penis enlargement and stock scams. Excellent graphics, too, including one chart that shows that Windows XP Service Pack 2 is hosting nearly half the attacked machines."

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  1. Filter by insecuritiez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If more ISPs did egress filtering of email this sort of thing would be harder to do.

    1. Re:Filter by DeGem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your assuming that the spam is comming off a mail server the ISP is controling.

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    2. Re:Filter by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hear that. It just doesn't seem unreasonable to me to cut off a customer who is sending tens of thousands of email per day. Put the very few with a legitimate reason on a white list (after a phone call) and cut the rest off until they clean up their act.

      As Heinlein said, the answer to any question beginning with "Why don't they..." is "money". Presumably the ISPs figure you'll just take your business and your bot-infested computer elsewhere. But maybe if a few major ISPs got together and agreed to all do it, they'd cut off enough spam to make their customer bases happier, and attract back those customers who gave up in frustration.

    3. Re:Filter by giorgiofr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong solution. If a mail server admin does not want to receive spam from residential IPs, he has the means to block before it even reaches the server. Lists of such IPs abound.

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    4. Re:Filter by ILikeRed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, just block port 25 to all servers other than the ISPs for dynamic IP addresses. If they do not want to use their ISPs mail server, they can purchase a static IP, or set up a proxy with a different port. If you are not capable of doing either of those things, then you should not have the privilege.

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    5. Re:Filter by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > No, just block port 25 to all servers other than the ISPs for dynamic IP addresses.

      I thought I paid for IP access. Deliberate port blocking by my ISP is blocking services I pay for.

      IP access means IP access, it does mean port 80 web surfing only. Any steps toward that are plain wrong.

      I agree it is a wild world out there but it is a problem of weak clients. The service provider should be blind unless a client is affecting network performance beyond their paid for slice. Then the client should be totally blocked.

    6. Re:Filter by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should, and you can. Just remember that this is all about false positivies and false negatives. Let's say I ran an ISP and I cut-off everyone who sent 10,000 messages or more a day. How many legitimate users would that cut-off? 1%? .01%? .001%? If someone has a legitimate need to send 10k emails then they can give their ISP a call, declare that they have legit reason, and get their service re-enabled. I hate such systems, but if it eliminated 70,000 pwned computers and forced 70 legitimate users to make a phone call, that is a fair trade-off.

    7. Re:Filter by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you are not capable of doing either of those things, then you should not have the privilege.
      What if I don't want to go jump through hoops, or pay double for the privelege? What if I want to acess my work mail server from home? Or a clients? Or I just want to access the email that I've been using for years via pop/smtp?

      Are you one of those imbeciles at Belgacom or something? Because they implemented the same cretinous strategy (without any advance warning, I may add) as you're suggesting.
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    8. Re:Filter by aaronl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That won't work, for one of two reasons that I can think of off the top of my head. Either you'll get malware that will only spam 9000 messages per day, or you'll get customers that are cut off regularly, get pissed, and change ISPs. If you're unlucky, you'll also get some lawsuits about it, justified or not.

      You're better off trying to force rate limit outgoing email, keep state on your clients, and trying to cut off outgoing SMTP for abusive hosts. However, you would then be monitoring traffic, and that might not work out so well, either.

    9. Re:Filter by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check your TOS with your ISP again. Many of them have prohibitions against running servers off of your dynamic IP address. Most of that is holdover from having a 'server' defined you as a business user, but it's still there. I know that RCN shut down Port 80 inbound following Code red because there was more virus traffic than actual requests - it's staggering how many people are running IIS without knowing it. At one point they also blocked all port 25 traffic not directed to the official network mail servers [excluding static IP customers]. There were craploads of complaints, but the right to do so was clearly marked in the TOS.

    10. Re:Filter by berzerke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, just block port 25 to all servers other than the ISPs for dynamic IP addresses.

      Some ISP's do this. And this is reason I can't set up a SPF record for my domain. All my parents outgoing email would fail and their ISP (AT&T) doesn't publish any SPF records (and what if they change ISP's, something they have been talking about doing). Considering they are on dail-up, buying a static IP is out of the question. Getting AT&T to unblock them is impossible (I've tried).

    11. Re:Filter by tha_mink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think everyone is missing the point here. The problem really isn't spam. It's the fact that there are botnets out there that are 70,000 strong. Thank god they're only sending enlarge-your-penis emails. Instead of spending energy trying to stop the symptom, let's try and stop the disease. Forget the email, let's figure out a way to stop the infections in the first place. Then there's the issue of cutting off the funding. Why not try and stop the funders of spam. I think that BlueSecurity had it completely right. Piss off the people paying the spammers, and you stop the spam. Nobody's going to send spam for fun, and if they did, maybe we wouldn't mind reading them so much. 1. Stop the infections 2. Stop the funders of spam. 3. Profit! It's a simple as that. I hate how people miss the point on this spam stuff. The spam is only the symptom.

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    12. Re:Filter by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My ISP has a web-based configuration utility that allows me to set a server-side firewall to one of several default values. One of their options blocks several commonly-exploitable ports on Windows. I don't use those ports for anything, and I have my own firewall so those ports shouldn't reach my Windows boxes in any way whatsoever, but I set it to block them anyway. (This was the default setting, actually.)

      Something similar would work fine. Block port 25 to SMTP by default and have a web config utility to change it. If you really wanted, you could set it up to email the user if they tried accessing port 25 when it was blocked ("You might be trying to get past this firewall. Or, you might have a virus. Here's how you can find out, and here's how you can disable it if you need . . . ")

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    13. Re:Filter by jimicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Something similar would work fine. Block port 25 to SMTP by default and have a web config utility to change it. If you really wanted, you could set it up to email the user if they tried accessing port 25 when it was blocked ("You might be trying to get past this firewall. Or, you might have a virus. Here's how you can find out, and here's how you can disable it if you need . . . ")

      I like that idea. Virus tries sending out 10,000 emails, user gets 10,000 emails saying "You might have a virus....".

    14. Re:Filter by jetmarc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > No, just block port 25 to all servers other than the ISPs for
      > dynamic IP addresses. If they do not want to use their ISPs
      > mail server, they can purchase a static IP, or set up a proxy
      > with a different port.

      I did purchase a static IP and pay for it on the monthly bill. Yet half of my outgoing email is still returned as "rejected for possible spam".

      Maybe your provider keeps "static" IPS separate from "dynamic IPs". Mine appearently doesn't (just assigns me one of his IPs as static). Or the RBLs are too ignorant to learn about static and dynamic IP ranges of smaller countries like the one I live in (Spain, Europe).

      So, go ahead and do whatever you want on your own server. But please DO NOT encourage other people to block so-called "dynamic" IPs, because this blocks most non-US static IPs as well.

      I mean, that's like blocking asian senders. Quite efficient, unless you are asian abroad and want read your friends mail.

      Marc

    15. Re:Filter by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Informative
      If the first function was switched to a different port number (i.e. not 25) and made authenticated, then port 25 could be blocked by default for dial-up-style users without inconveniencing anyone.

      It's been done. Port 587 is used for non-secure client-to-server SMTP already. Some ISP's allow port 587 passthrough but block 25. Personally, I think that sucks, and I'll summarily dump any ISP that blocks 25, if only because I need access to port 25 for things like testing clients' servers sometimes.

      -b.

  2. you are missing the point by weierstrass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    then they would use the massive botnets of 0wned machines for something else, that probably also wouldn't be conducive to the health and general well-being of the internet...

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  3. Infection vs Market Share by MrSplog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The charts would be a lot more interesting if they had them compared to market share. then you've got to consider that people are more likely to target the biggest market share. i mean, how many virus writers are targeting FDOS?

    1. Re:Infection vs Market Share by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand what you mean. Check the hacked servers http://www.phishtank.com/ , almost all run Apache on Linux. Why? It has bigger marketshare on webservers.

      I think the OS X, Linux, FreeBSD "I am invulnerable because of OS I run, I don't need security updates or basic sense of security" will cause problems soon just like phishing.

    2. Re:Infection vs Market Share by ummit · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Okay, you're right. MacOS, Linux, Unix, and the rest are all exactly as insecure as Windows, if not more so. The only reason there's so much malware for Windows is because the bad old malware authors target it unfairly.

      But you know what? It doesn't matter. There still is so much malware for Windows. It's a worldwide epidemic. It affects me rather badly (all this botnet-sent spam in my mailbox) even though I don't use Windows at all.

      With that popularity and market share comes some responsibility. Get down off your high horse and fix your damn problem, you Windows users. You may be sick of my "I am invulnerable because of the OS I run" attitude, but I'm just as sick of your "it's not our fault, it's the hackers' fault" excuses. Windows has become a true plague upon the internet, because of the botnets it supports.

  4. That was a bad picture by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry, but the terms "Penis Enlargement" and "Excellent Graphics" were situated a bit too close together in that summary for my liking.

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  5. Rebuild the email protocol by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is time to rebuild the email protocol. It needs to be redesigned to cope with modern systems and security needs. The pain of the transition would be worth it. It is just too easy to spoof header info now.

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    1. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by LordEd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your post advocates a

      (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

      ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
      ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      (x) Users of email will not put up with it
      ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
      ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
      ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
      ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
      ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      ( ) Asshats
      ( ) Jurisdictional problems
      ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      (x) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
      ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      ( ) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
      been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      ( ) Sending email should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
      ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
      house down!

    2. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "we can't change anything because it is too hard waaaaaaa" post.

      Thank you for being a wimp.

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    3. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by Renegade88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only one who thinks this form-checkbox type of comment is trite? It's not original, it's not funny, it's annoying at best. Stop doing it.

    4. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      (x) Yes, I agree
      ( ) Nope, you're wrong

    5. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by LordEd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see... so if somebody came out with the solution to pollution problems would be to eliminate all vehicles and replace them with bikes, would you change?

      (hint) (x) Huge existing investment in cars

    6. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you writing a new email protocol? It IS a hard problem and, unless you are personally doing something about it, it's unfair to call someone else a wimp.

    7. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The main problem is that you would need to get everyone to get on board with it all at once."

      I think the opposite is true. If people have the option of trying the New, Improved, Secure Email without abandoning their current routine, a gradual transition might have a fighting chance. Lots of people with traditional phones also have SIP and VoIP and such. Heck, with a bit of finesse, new protocol plugins could be integrated into existing mail clients.

      Digital signatures could come in dual-varieties: Authority-issued and self-issued. Clients would only download headers & sigs, then decide what bodies to download via sig policy. By default, a client would accept mail signed with an authority-issued sig automatically, but would accept self-issued ones only if the recipient whitelists the sender. Outbound message bodies from unknown sources (self-issued & not whitelisted) would have to sit on the originating outbound server and wait, pending certificate acceptance. Unknown sources would have low connection quotas; upon a flood of sig packets or a large distribution from an unknown source, intermediate servers would refuse connections from that source pending a positive sig disposition.

    8. Re:Rebuild the email protocol by LordEd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah.... The "we can't change anything because it is too hard waaaaaaa" post.

      Thank you for being a wimp.

  6. thats okay, but how to detect this infection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perused the article to know how to find out if my computer is infected or not but couldn't find anything. This is such an important news for Windows users, at least tell something abou thow to verify if a particular windows machine is having this problem.

    1. Re:thats okay, but how to detect this infection? by Bastian · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get a virus scanner, silly. I believe this trojan is detected by all of them.

  7. I'm glad I run my own mail server by zitch · · Score: 3, Informative

    And implemented greylisting on it. Cut out almost %100 of the spam I have been receiving (Was up to 50 emails a day, now I think only one has gone through since I installed postgrey on my mail server in 1.5 months!). Unfortunately, this is easy to get around, so it should only be a matter of time till that is worked around and becomes useless in the spam fight. By that time, hopefully another anti-spam method comes up...

  8. eweek confirms it: Linux and Mac are dying! by Trelane · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the graphs, it's obvious that Linux, BSD, and MacOS lumped together are only 0.05 percent of the desktop market!!

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    1. Re:eweek confirms it: Linux and Mac are dying! by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot OS/2 ;-)

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    2. Re:eweek confirms it: Linux and Mac are dying! by mrjb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you really think that 0.05% of all spam comes from Linux, BSD, MacOS, Solaris and OS/2 lumped together? Then I'll have to disappoint you. Look again. Windows 95 is curiously absent from the graph. How big a part of 0.05% do you think it could handle?

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  9. C'mon by Tarlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well of course Windows is going to be in the majority of affected machines... There is a dramatically higher number of people in the world using Windows than any other OS, so... wouldn't it make sense?

    As a proud user of Kubuntu, I can relate to /.'s tendency to point out everything that appears to be wrong with Windows... but come on, isn't it a little much to explicitly point it out in this case?

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    1. Re:C'mon by Mark+Hood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the dig was at Windows XP SP2 in particular - not just Windows generally.

      If these bots have control over 'the most secure Windows yet', then that is worthy of note.

      Mark

      PS Yes, I know the link is from 2004 - but they've not released anything since, so it must still be true, right?

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  10. I'm just surprised that those spams still ... by Jawood · · Score: 4, Insightful
    work. After all, the folks who are doing the "advertising" must be getting some sort of return.

    Which leads me to wonder about the folks who actually believe that those penis enlargement pills work.

    And as far as the "pump and dump" spam goes, are there folks who beleive those spams? Or are they of the mindset of the "greater sucker"? Meaning, if I buy this stock now, after this spam circulates, there will be others who buy this shit stock and push up the price allowing me to make money.

    Yeah, I know the guy who originates the "buy" recomendation is hoping for everyone to buy the stock, but what makes some of the recipients think they'll make out?

    1. Re:I'm just surprised that those spams still ... by artifex2004 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yeah, I know the guy who originates the "buy" recomendation is hoping for everyone to buy the stock, but what makes some of the recipients think they'll make out?

      There are plenty of idiots out there with access to both internet and credit cards. Really.
      And a lot of them also think that if someone has your email, they must know you from somewhere.

      When I worked at a brokerage firm, people used to call me and ask for advice (which I couldn't give, not being licensed) on how much to invest in whatever stock they got emailed that day.
    2. Re:I'm just surprised that those spams still ... by pkulak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, in order to do a good pump-n-dump you'll need the enlargement pills.

    3. Re:I'm just surprised that those spams still ... by pandaba · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was really curious about the success rate of a pump & dump scheme so I took a look into my spam folder recently. Starting on Wednesday, I received three emails advocating TORA.OB. So I started tracking that stock.

      Looking at the company's filings showed a rather pathetic operation with a miniscule amount of revenue. However, the volume on the company has skyrocketed in the past few days. Its gone from nearly no trading to 296,000 shares traded yesterday and 31,000 so far today. The price has shown a nice increase too, going from around 0.75 on Wednesday to 1.01 today, with it hitting highs around 1.10.

      Have to say I was surprised this spam worked. You don't have to be a financial expert to know this company is full of shit. Just reading the financials was rather amusing.

  11. outbound email only on request by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I were running an ISP, I'd have common ports such as IM, file-transfer/ftp/torrent, ssh, 80/443, irc, and many others allowed and all other ports blocked or restricted to certain destinations by default.

    I'd have a web-page for my customers so they can click things such as:

    Outgoing Email:
    [x] web based [turn on port 80/443]
    [x] through remote-login [turn on remote-login ports]
    [x] through us [turn on mail ports, restrict to our servers]
    [ ] through another server: ______ (specify list of outgoing mail servers)
    [ ] through any server
      +-- [x] check here to turn this off after 7 days (recommended)

    x's show defaults.

    Checking the last two would bring up the relevant sections of the AUP/TOS as a reminder of the strict "no spamming" and "we will suspend outgoing mail and charge you cleanup fees if your machine is taken over" clauses.

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    1. Re:outbound email only on request by dknj · · Score: 2, Funny

      and this is why you're not running an isp...

  12. Okay, so now there are statistics..... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But when, if ever, will anyone shut down the MS machine? Never is when. MS is far to invested into large corporations and government institutions to ever have anyone, never mind MS, say, all windows products must be updated or dumped. Its just not going to happen. If you owe the bank $1000 dollars, you are in trouble if you're late on the payments, if you owe the bank $10,000,000,000 dollars and you're late, the bank is in trouble.

    Right now, the later is more the case. If MS had to upgrade or recall all XP products, it would cause a large harm to the economy, not just MS's bottom line. Think of what would have to be spent on the upgrades or change outs?

    Too many people have invested in MS products to just shut it down, and just like England won't wake up one morning and start driving on the right side of the road, MS products will remain in service. (I'm not trying to imply that the left side is the incorrect one, just illustrating the size of the problem)

    Reports like this do seem to show MS in a very bad light, but how it gets fixed will be even more interesting. When government types want to show they are doing something about spam, will they do anything to make MS responsible, or make MS fix it? Probably not, so the real answer to spam, or answers, is to implement measures that do not rely on the end user, or the end user's OS to fix it.

    IMO, This means that ISP's are going to have to sandbox segments of their networks to throttle spam, and that cost will be passed on to consumers, or possibly will be borne by the ISP for bragging rights about having less spam than any other ISP, in much the same way that the Bell companies used to do advertising about what they are spending to improve services for consumers.

    This also leaves me with a suspicion about the marketing team for Vista? How better to fix XP SP2 than to upgrade to Vista?

  13. Hit the nail right between the eyes. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the basic problem with any single antispam measure, or really any single computer security measure.

    1. Someone comes up with a defense mechanism that works well.
    2. It works so well that more people use it.
    3. It becomes popular enough for the bad guys to beat, so they do.
    4. The defense becomes useless, forcing someone to come up with a new defense.
    5. Goto 1.

    1. Re:Hit the nail right between the eyes. by wawannem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, greylisting is suprisingly more effective than most anti-spam measures if you combine it with a decent rbl. The basic premise is that when a message comes in, the server looks at the sender, recipient, and sending host/server. If this is the first time that the greylisting server has encountered this triplet, it tells the sending server to wait X minutes (where X is most likely 5). There are 3 likely outcomes at this point. First outcome, this is a legitimate message from a legitimate server and the waiting period will be honored, then the message will be delivered appropriately and the greylisting server will mark the triplet as legitimate. The second outcome is that the message is coming from a zombie and it will not honor the waiting period because it isn't a fully implemented SMTP server, thus the message will be dropped. Lastly, it is a well-written spam attempt, but within the five minute waiting period, the sending machine will be blacklisted by the rbl to which you subscribe.

      Although you may be right that the bad guys will eventually beat it, in the meantime, there are significant waiting periods involved which will likely slowdown the penetration of the spam. This penetration rate is what makes spam profitable. It basically forces servers to build up trust between each other similar to how people build trust with each other... i.e. "I've worked with this person before on this project, so I can believe in him/her" or "I've never worked with this person on this project, so I'll treat them with suspicion until he/she has proven her/himself"

  14. Hasn't worked for me by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Has anyone had any luck with these stock tips? None of them seem to be panning out for me. I wonder if I am not acting fast enough. I've really taken a beating on some of these.

    Fortunately, I should have significantly more money to invest shortly, as soon as I get a rather large sum from a new online friend and business associate and new friend, Mr. Emmanuel Obi from Africa, of all places.

    1. Re:Hasn't worked for me by bitflip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should be short selling them, instead.

    2. Re:Hasn't worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Luck? Did you see www.spamstocktracker.com?

  15. Re:Class action against Microsoft by cdn-programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its like going after Boeing because someone put some tape over the port that allows outside air to get at the gauge that measures air pressure and estimates elevation on a 757.

    You can point your finger all you want at the maintenance worker who didn't read the warnings in GIANT PRINT - but Boeing was still sued and paid.

    Boeing was not being irresponsible. I do not think the same can be said of Microsoft because many of the security problems have been pointed out CONSTANTLY since before 1995.

  16. nmap? by goarilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder tho how they ... know which os the bots are running?
    i mean i use nmap, and other portscanners myself but the OS detection
    is just a sane guess and far from perfect

    I also wonder what the 0.05 % of other OS'es are because i do think
    this malware is written on the win32 api, so i rather guess these were inconclusive
    OS fingerprinting and/or *Nix systems running a virtual machine or ... wine ...
    if this is possible (i'm not trying to troll here)

    And if this is possible i do want to know what kind of measures the users of these non conclusive
    Os fingerprinting scans used because ... it would stop many script-kiddies from trying to automatic crack your machines, if they can't find which OS you're running ...

    Anyone has some tips about this in particular
    How do i fool commonly used portscanners etc ... in their OS detection ... on Windows and *Nix systems?

    1. Re:nmap? by Cruise_WD · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you RTA, you'll find that they know because the Trojan itself logs which machines it's infecting, presumably because the people behind it like to know what's working and what isn't. Therefore this data is coming straight from the (trojan) horse's mouth...*badum bish*

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  17. It's amazing how complex pump and dump schemes are by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    getting. A few weeks back I read an article that stated that some crackers had managed to get into the accounts of some of TD Waterhouse's investment clients. Since most of these accounts were retirement accounts liquidating them and stealing all the assets would have been difficult, required a lot of paperwork, and ran a much higher risk of getting caught. So instead what the attackers did was liquidate all the assets of the victims and then used those assets to buy a bunch of pump and dump stocks(high demand low supply=much higher prices). Pumped the value of the stock up significantly then as the name suggests, dumped it.
    As much as I think they are scum for doing so, you have to admit that was pretty creative....

  18. How many of the 70,000 are elderly? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently helped an elderly neighbor secure her computer (I was paid for this service, and I make sure I do get paid every time I get called over for help) by installing some good firewall and anti-virus programs (as well as setting up Firefox and Thunderbird for their primary browsers. When I ran a virus scan on her computer (I installed AVG, as her McAfee subscription had expired), I found several viruses and malware programs on there, all of which I removed, which came with games she downloaded (stuff like mahjong and solitaire). I regret not writing down what viruses she had gotten infected with, so I could find out what she did.

    I did the same thing on my grandmother's computer as well (when she was alive), and odds are there are a lot of seniors who are online and engage in a lot of bad habits that we know are bad - including running IE with minimal protections, opening strange attachments, and so forth. This is not a new problem, and, frankly, a problem that only education (or getting 75% of seniors to switch to Mac OS or Linux) can fix.
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  19. greylisting+dnsblocking f0r teh win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except greylisting+dnsblocking, for which there is no defense.

    If everyone greylisted, spamming operations would slow down to a crawl. If the go full speed, then the only sites which will accept their spam (or better, to escape detection, temporarily reject it after DATA) are spamtraps, which means the rest of the world becomes instantly unavailable because of dnsblocking.

    If they have to slow down.. well, we win.

    It's just beautiful.

  20. Re:Class action against Microsoft by shark72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Thats crazy... that's like going after P2P admins for users sharing illegal content. It would never fly."

    It's not like that at all, but that's due to a distinction that's apparently too fine for some people.

    Take a look at your favorite torrent tracker. Unless it's legaltorrents or something of its ilk, you know they set it up to capitalize on the huge demand for pirated material (and to make ad money off same), you know most of the traffic is pirated material, and you know that the admin knows this. Running a tracker with the belief that you will simply be able to tell the authorities that you're "not responsible for your users" might make perfect sense to a 14-year-old, but they're often unaware of a crucible in the legal profession known as "the laugh test." If it has the proper locomotion, vocalizations, and behavior, smart people don't need to be told that it's a duck.

    Now, it might be funny and all to say that yes, Microsoft really does sell XP primarily for the purpose of running botnets and sending spam, but again, you, I, and everybody else know that it's simply not true. Again, the laugh test prevails.

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  21. Re:how effective is it? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to reiterate what these scum are doing:

    1. Buy some really cheap stock at a really cheap price.
    2. Hype it to victims.
    3. Sell it to victims at inflated prices. Pocket the profit.
    4. Victims are now stuck with a worthless stock that they can only sell at a large loss.

    They usually work for the pump and dumper. Everybody else gets screwed. That's why it's a scam.

    The companies are real, and you can look them up on NASDAQ or Pink Sheets. I've looked a few of them up, and they all show an enormous spike in trading, a big spike in price, then a rapid fall.

    While there are ways to make money on declining stock value ("short selling"), you can't do it with the stocks these filth are hyping.

    ...laura

  22. Re:where does it end? by ummit · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I hear you, but: put yourself in the shoes of "Joe Homeowner" for a moment, if you will. You know nothing about chemistry or combustion. You simply purchased your house because you needed a roof over your head. But the law requires you to install smoke detectors (and, in many jurisdictions now, also carbon monoxide detectors). In fact, the reason this is a law is precisely because the average homeowner knows nothing about chemistry or combustion; that's why people need emphatic (enforceable) reminders to install these safety devices.

    So a law that mandated safe computing clearly would not be out of the question, and would not be "blaming" those computer users who did nothing more than purchase a brand new PC in order to use it for its intended purposes.

  23. Re:how effective is it? by KokorHekkus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Do these pump and dump scams even work? If so, by what kind of margins?
    A previous article posted on Slashdot indicateda a return between 4.9% to 6% (per scam) when it works. See http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/25/182 1256
  24. Windows 95 by Pinky3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hackers and Spammers no longer support Windows 95. It's too hard to write worms, bots, and viri that are backward compatible.

  25. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot of humor potential in going to a site laced with ads and a list of 30 sponsors to read about spam.

  26. Re:How do these bots spread? by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For an ISP of any size mail filtering is a significant problem. You don't just add something onto the mail server farm without taking a pretty severe performance hit. I do not believe there is anything free that can handle a substantial load.

    Another factor is that most of the very cautious folks I deal with have a real simple solution - no attachments, period. ISP's cannot implement something like that. They can block executable attachments, but that isn't really effective any longer. From what I understand most of this doesn't really fall into the "virus" or "worm" category but is instead human-installed. Dumb person clicked on the link or attachment. Blocking all instances of this would be pretty tough without having major impact.

    Why would the SEC care? There is no fraud here. Nobody is getting hurt, except those people buying stock and expecting to make a quick profit. They don't make their quick profit and maybe lose money. If you play with the stock market like that you are going to lose money. Period. It isn't the government's job to keep you from doing stupid things with your money.

  27. Shorting won't work... by camusflage · · Score: 3, Informative

    No broker will allow you to short a pink sheet stock, which the overwhelming majority of pump and dump spam deals with.

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  28. The SEC does care... by moosehooey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Securities manipulation is a very serious crime, and these scammers will spend a long time in jail if they get caught.

  29. Where's law enforcement on this? by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Those guys shouldn't be that hard to find with enough law enforcement effort. Get a credit card from a cooperating bank. Put a trace on it. Buy some Viagra from a spam. Watch where the money goes, which is probably some bank in a high-crime country. Visit the bank and talk to them. Threaten to have their abilty to process credit cards cut off. Pry the actual payee out of them. Discover that it's another intermediary and start over.

    This is what we pay the FBI for. This is why the FBI has field offices outside the US. This is why the Financial Crimes Information Network exists.

    The FBI's Internet-related criminal enforcement unit has gotten soft. They sit up in Baltimore and send out child pornography, then go after the people they've entrapped. The process is even mostly automated now. That's an easy way to get their stats up, and fits the Bush administration's "regulate sex, not business" mindset, but doesn't solve crimes that have victims. Something to push on after Jan. 20, when the Democrats take Congress and can start asking hard questions of the executive branch.

    1. Re:Where's law enforcement on this? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The FBI has an office in Moscow. And smaller offices in most of the capitals of the former Soviet sphere, including Bucharest, Kiev, Prague, and Tbilisi. They have to work through the local authorities, which they routinely do, with moderate success.

  30. Re:I don't think you get it by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem isn't "Windows is insecure", the problem is that people are given a general-purpose computing instrument and they want a web & email appliance.

    Sort of. People want a little more than the web and e-mail. They want word processing, games, and maybe a few other applications. But OS's are not designed to meet the needs of the common user, and they should be set up with defaults that make sense.

    Most of this stuff is not installed because of security exposures in that allow stealh installations because of exposures in email readers and web browsers. It is installed the same way the user would install any other "desired" program.

    Actually, the majority of infections are the result of worms that have no user interaction, but this particular threat is a trojan. Trojan's can be mitigated but it requires more finely grained security, a better UI, and better defaults. For the average user, no program not pre-instaled should have access to send mail or access your e-mail address book without the user specifically enabling that behavior.

    They user just doesn't know they don't want it.

    The user does want it. People want to run untrusted executables. They want to open random, untrusted data. The problem is that Windows does not properly tell them what is data and does not let them easily run untrusted programs in a restricted sandbox. Ask the average user if double clicking on "nekkidladies.jpg" lets something send thousands of e-mails from their computer. Most think it can't. Most think nekkidladies.jpg.exe should be shown as a program instead of data. Most think even if it is a program it should not be able to send e-mail without the OS telling them that is what it is doing and giving them the option to stop it. This is the failure of the Windows. It should restrict these behaviors by default for unsigned/verified applications downloaded from the internet.

    Solution? Give people appliances not general-purpose computers.

    It won't work. People want to run random programs and games and whatnot. The solution is not to remove functionality, but to restrict functionality by default and present options to the user with real information and a well made GUI. People should have a choice of e-mail clients, but at the same time they should be given a choice whenever a program they install wants to start sending e-mail. "Program 'Verious 2.7' wants to access your e-mail address book and send e-mail messages (stop it from accessing my addresses and sending mail)(let it access his data and send mail once)(Let it access my addresses and send mail always)(Advanced options)."

    The average user can understand that and make reasonable choices. OS's need to be coded to give them that info and that granularity of choices with a good UI.