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Bionic Bugs To Fight Terrorists

dptalia writes "Israel is looking to create a small robot, no larger than a hornet to follow, film, and kill terrorists. It's just one of a series of weapons the country is considering as an alternative to conventional technologies. Other ideas floating around include gloves that would give their user 'bionic strength', and ultra-miniaturized sensors to detect explosives on suicide bombers." From the article: "The research integrates nanotechnology into Israel's security department and will find creative solutions to problems the army has been unable to address, Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres told Yedioth Ahronoth. 'The war in Lebanon proved that we need smaller weaponry. It's illogical to send a plane worth $100 million against a suicidal terrorist. So we are building futuristic weapons,' Peres said."

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  1. This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen soon by Salvance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've been hearing about this type of thing in science fiction books, then movies, and then in magazines like Popular Science for at least the past 20 years. While I think we probably have the technology to create the hornets, I seriously doubt we have the technology to have them fly very far then deliver some type of lethal force (e.g. poison) to a specific target.

    Plus, it's reasonable to assume that $100's of millions would need to be invested in such a "nanohornet" for it to be feasible. Heck, the current world's smallest flying robot is massive compared to a bee, and can only fly a few minutes (yes, this link is from 2003, and the the robot is still considered the smallest working prototype of a flying robot).

    In my opinion, the israelis need to invest in far better armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. During their conflict with Hezbollah, the UAVs were a huge success. Also, wouldn't highly armored robotic vehicles be better than a hornet? For example, maybe an armored ball (kind of like those hamster balls) that would essentially be indestructable and roll around doing reconaiscence and shooting things. Just a thought.

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  2. Just gloves? by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What kind of bionic strength would gloves give? A bone crushing grip? You lift with your whole arm, not just your hands.

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  3. Saw this once before... by Tmack · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...a small robot, no larger than a hornet to follow, film, and kill terrorists.

    Sounds like the flying robotic syringes in Dune, they silently fly around to find their target, then fly directly into them and inject some sort of fast acting poison (the spice?).

    tm

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  4. Cowardly by FathomIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's very unfortunate. It will not be only for terrorists. We will soon have "terrorists" and our political and business leaders simply picked off by a small, unseen remote controlled insect carrying a poison payload.

    1. Re:Cowardly by chriso11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. This is extremely disruptive, and very easy to abuse. Not to sound like some utopian, but it is really sad that we use so much of our technology to develop 'better' ways to kill one another.

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    2. Re:Cowardly by superwiz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      All major pushes in technology came out of warfare. "Research" almost never yields as much as necessity (I know, I know... there are exceptions... not statement is 100 absolute excluding this one). World War II gave us neuclear energy, radars, computers, jet engines, etc. This bionic weapons will most likely lead to advances in both communications and medicine. And on a gaussian distribution of normal to fucked up you'll always end up with fucked up individuals in a society. Being able to fight them efficiently is a Good Thing (tm). Cheer up. Life is beautiful.

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    3. Re:Cowardly by giorgiofr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I feel like nitpicking... so bear with me for a second: you would be insulting his knowledge/education, but not his intelligence. MANY clever people have no idea who Turing was and why he was so important. Just like I have no idea who the first guy was who thought about brain surgery.

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  5. Israel, why must you have such wretched PR? by schnooka_boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a staunch Israeli supporter, this really frustrates me. Yes, it will reduce civilian casualties. Yes, it will be able to destroy missle launchers without having to go in and do any fighting. Yes, it will render the Hamas tactic of hiding amongst their own people useless. But no, there's no way you're going to establish trust with a people when you have killer robotic hornets flying around their homes.

    1. Re:Israel, why must you have such wretched PR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a staunch supporter of peace in Palestine, I have to ask, what makes you think the Israeli governments want to establish trust with the Palestinians?

      It has been Israeli national strategy for decades to wish for the Palestinians simply to disappear if they are suitably squeezed. The Israelis are caught between their desire to get rid of the Palestinians and their need to preserve their souls. So in the absense of a really big-time terror attack, the Israelis can't bring themselves to commit another full-scale ethnic cleansing operation.

      So far Israel hasn't been moved by the humanitarian suffering of the Palestinians, but the proliferation of nuclear weapons as well as the growing Arab population in Palestine should cause Israel to quickly rethink its goals. While they are still in a strong negotiating position, they should make peace with the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon.

      As for the Palestinian national strategy, terror, Qassams and so on? Over the past years, Israel has been effective at demolishing the Palestinian civil society, which has effectively descended into a gangland. So it's very difficult to talk of a Palestinian national strategy, and the two-state solution can hardly be implemented anymore. But maybe the situation can be reversed with some hugely generous reconciliation efforts on the Israeli side.

    2. Re:Israel, why must you have such wretched PR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But no, there's no way you're going to establish trust with a people when you have killer robotic hornets flying around their homes.

      I think you lost trust with the whole 'we want to take your homes, subjugate your race and you have to accept it before we will give you back any of your human rights' thing Mini robot hornet assassins are just... well I'm not sure there is really a word to express both the cowardliness and further insult that using such a device against a community would mean.

    3. Re:Israel, why must you have such wretched PR? by schnooka_boy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Israel really wanted to commit genocide in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, I don't understand why they'd be wasting their time and own people performing targetting operations when they could just as easily send in bombs to take out the entire region. Israel's doing an equally bad job "squeezing out" Arabs if they're withdrawing from the Gaza Strip and southern Lebanon (may I note, that in both these cases the withdrawal was used to send missles into Israel).

      So far Israel hasn't been moved by the humanitarian suffering of the Palestinians

      Now this is an outright lie. Israel has been supplying the West Bank and Gaza strip with fund money to build schools (which are then used to teach anti-Israeli retorict) and help its people for decades. It also offered a whole ton MORE of fund money in negotiation agreements to create the country of Palestine. They only recently cut off this funding to the Gaza Strip since its people decided to elect Hamas into government, and allow the organization to send missles, and perform terrorism kidnappings. Is Israel supposed to continue to give its money to Gaza when it's being used, in turn, to attack Israel?

      While they are still in a strong negotiating position, they should make peace with the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon. It's another lie if you think Israel has not attempted negotiations. Do you understand how difficult it is to negotiate with organizations who will only accept terms that will severly damage Israel? "Right of return" expects Israel to give up most of its country to create Palestine. This isn't a negotiation, this is a peaceful request to collapse the country of Israel. Whomever is in power for Palestine (be it Hamas, the PLO, etc.) is never negotiating but only demanding. Those in power do not wish to coexist with Israel. Please tell me how you negotiate with this.

      Over the past years, Israel has been effective at demolishing the Palestinian civil society

      That's because over the past years, terrorists have refused to give up their practices. You tell Hamas to stop attacking Israel, and you see how long Israel will continue to perform any sort of military insurgency.

  6. Great inventions! by Roadmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If only they were this creative and imaginative when sitting down to try to solve a conflict peacefully. This goes for both sides, and it applies in most conflicts.

    Remember, no matter how intelligent the weapons inventors are, it's still violence; and "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent".

    1. Re:Great inventions! by stvip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It takes two to tango, but only one to wage war. If one side of the conflict simply refuses to recognize the other's right to exist, then war is forced upon the other side, regardless of how much creativity and intelligence it might have. If you think I'm exaggerating or caricaturizing the Palestinian position, just google for information about their elected government, its current openly declared position (no recognition, even symbolically, of Israel) and similarly openly declared plans for the future (destruction of Israel). Israel has no choice.

  7. Plan B by Flying+pig · · Score: 1, Insightful
    It's worth remembering that when Israel started, the then King of Jordan thought it was a good thing because it could kick start the modernisation of the Middle East. Israel began in exactly the sort of moderate level factional war that is now taking place in Iraq, and one interpretation of history is that the founders of Israel behaved in such a way as to alienate the Jordanians because, even then, their ultimate goal was not peace and stability but expansionism and hegemony (another interpretation is that they were not diplomats but, basically, inexperienced ex-soldiers with similar motivations to the IRA. Lacking the skills to negotiate their way to a solid position in the Middle East, they went straight to a military solution.)

    Israeli governments seem to learn nothing from their history. Their solution to every problem is higher walls and more powerful weapons. This latest proposal, however, is to develop something which has proliferation implications as nasty as nasty as nuclear or chemical weapons. How is Israel going to contain it (even if their intention is not to earn foreign dollars by selling on to "friendly" states?)

    Weapons of this type are destroyers of democracy. They mean that politicians have to hide behind ever stronger defences until they are incapable of living as normal people and cannot relate to them. It is an absolute tragedy that the people whose ideas are so much of the bedrock of modern civilisation seem to have an offshoot who are determined to undermine it.

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  8. Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Peace is not going to be possible until those crimes are acknowledged and some reparations made.

    But then we need to get the Palestinians to pay reparations to the people whose land they stole hundreds or thousands of years before, and we have to track down those peoples' descendents and make them pay reparations to the descendents of whoever had that land before that, etc. etc.

    The Americans will have to pay reparations to the Native Americans (most of whom are only fractionally N.A.) for their land. The British need to determine how much French/Norman and Celtic ancestry they all have, and the people with less Celtic ancestry will need to pay reparations to the people with more Celtic ancestry. And then we need to go back farther in time and determine which Celtic tribes stole land from which other Celtic tribes, and determine which people are descended from which tribes......

    Exactly how far back in time do we need to go in paying reparations? We're going to have to invent a machine to peer into time to see who owes who reparations.

  9. Trust? by krell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "But no, there's no way you're going to establish trust with a people when you have killer robotic hornets flying around their homes"

    What trust? With the Hamas vote, already half of the Palestinians indicate that they want the Israelis exterminated.

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  10. Re:Side tracking on the subject of tanks. by ILikeRed · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Can anyone think of downsides of remote controlled tanks?
    1) DOS attack
    2) stealing the tank remotely
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  11. Bionic gloves, relatively cheap and easy by handy_vandal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What kind of bionic strength would gloves give? A bone crushing grip? You lift with your whole arm, not just your hands.

    True. However --

    I assume that gloves are much, much cheaper to develop and build than full-arm augmentation. (For full-arm augmentation, you really need full-body reinforcement -- upper body augementation to support the arm, augmented lower body to support the upper body.)

    Crushing grip alone can be very useful. Close-quarters action -- break a man's bones. Useful for black-bag specialists -- shatter locks, etc.

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  12. Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so by killjoe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "In my opinion, the israelis need to invest in far better armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles."

    In my opinion israel needs to invest in finding ways to get along with it's neighbors and stop it's occupation of 3.5 million people.

    If I was hated by my neighnors (and lets face it disliked by most of the rest of the world) then I might ask myself why and see I could maybe change one or two things to see if I could get along better.

    It would be cheaper too and as an american who funds the majority if not all of the israeli military budget I would appreciate that.

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  13. Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so by Deadplant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    whose land they stole hundreds or thousands of years before

    I took your skateboard 25 years ago. It is still in my basement.

    My late grandfather stole your late gradfather's pogo-stick.

    You don't see the difference there?

    also, reparation shmeparations, just give me back my skateboard.

  14. Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Exactly how far back in time do we need to go in paying reparations?

    When people who are still alive who have been the victims of the acts in question, reparations are due. Perhaps extending to the immediate children and grandchildren of those people (I note that some Holocaust reparations have gone to heirs, not to Holocaust survivors).

    Also, so long as political entities remain extant, so do their obligations. The U.S. has treaty obligations of Native nations, even if the people who signed those treaties are long dead. Similarly, as Jack Straw has admitted, Great Britian bears much of the responsbility for the fscked-up sitation in the Middle East, from the Balfour Declaration that started the theft of Arab lands for the benefit of Zionism, to the formation of Iraq; the Britian ought to live up to its obligation to people in those areas.

    The Americans will have to pay reparations to the Native Americans (most of whom are only fractionally N.A.) for their land.

    For land, no; but reparations are due for extensive contemporary treaty violations with Native nations, and for recent acts of cultural genocide. There are men and women out there now who as infants were stolen from their Native American parents and given to "good White Christian" families to be raised. (In a more good ol'-fashioned style of genocidal policy,thousands of Native women were compeled into sterilizion in the 1970s.)

    Similarly, while slavery reparations may be a dead issue, reparations are long overdue for every person who suffered under segregation laws.

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  15. Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, I seem to remember Israel giving land "back" to the palestinians. What did they do? Went on a rampage, used that land to launch an attack and kidnap people. Use the land to fire rockets into Israel. I think you need to examine who is really the main cause of unrest in Israel.

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  16. The IDF's definition of terrorist by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Any non-Jew on that land over there that we want to steal. This includes women and children. After all, the children will grow up into terrorists, and the women will give birth to future terrorists, so might as well get 'em early. Double points for a pregnant woman.

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