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China Reinstates Wikipedia Ban

Rob T Firefly writes "The International Herald Tribute reports that the lifting of China's Wikipedia ban earlier this week was short-lived. Wikipedia is once again inaccessible from behind the Great Firewall, along with all other Wikimedia projects. Additionally, the URL of Chinese Wikipedia is once again a banned search term. No reason has yet been given for any of it." From the article: "It wasn't immediately clear if Wikipedia was inaccessible due to technical glitches or because government censors had blocked the site again. The Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Information Industry did not immediately respond when contacted for comment Friday. Beijing blocked access to the English and Chinese versions of Wikipedia in October last year, apparently out of concern about entries touching on the country's sensitive spots -- Tibet, Taiwan and other topics."

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  1. Reflects the Politics in Beijing by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Beijing you have the conservatives and the hard-line conservatives duking it out for control. When policy changes it's because one side has momentarily gained the upper hand, or believed they had, and ordered the change.

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    1. Re:Reflects the Politics in Beijing by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Interesting


      When policy changes it's because one side has momentarily gained the upper hand, or believed they had, and ordered the change.

      I really have no understanding of how policy is set in China, but I might be able to believe that if Wikipedia was accessible for a month or two, but a major blocking policy like this changing over a few days seems a bit insane. Is there really no one in charge over there that makes decisions that last more than a few days? How the hell can you run a country like that?

      Since the change from block->no-block->block was all so abrupt I'd say it's more likely that this was just either a technical glitch in the firewall, or a deliberate attempt at trying to perpetuate the belief inside China that there IS no official censorship and it's all just "trouble contacting some sites".

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    2. Re:Reflects the Politics in Beijing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Communism is a liberal ideal; not a conservative ideal. Waaaaay on the other side of the political spectrum from conservatism is communism.

      If someone is a conservative, they are working to CONSERVE the status quo. So in China, the Communists are conservatives. The liberals would be supporters of democracy.

      The words are also used differently in Europe. And once upon a time in the USA, liberals were supporters of democracy and a free market... it's different now. The terms are not bound to any specific ideology.

    3. Re:Reflects the Politics in Beijing by anaesthetica · · Score: 4, Informative
      I might be able to believe that if Wikipedia was accessible for a month or two, but a major blocking policy like this changing over a few days seems a bit insane.

      This pattern of behavior was played out on a much larger scale early on in PRC history: the Hundred Flowers Campaign followed by the Anti-Rightist Movement. The pattern is: open up and seemingly liberalize communications for a brief period; then, once everyone who criticizes the government identifies themselves, you go clean them up. Pretty straightforward.

  2. Could be.... by otacon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could be a "technical" problem...

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    1. Re:Could be.... by silentounce · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the people pounding on the doors of avid Chinese wiki users could be Avon ladies.

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    2. Re:Could be.... by businessnerd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chinese Gov: What? You mean you can't access the site? Oh we're terribly sorry, there must be a technical problem. We have identified the problem and we are working on it. Expect to be back on Wikipedia in six to eight years.

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  3. Wikinews link by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is the Wikinews link I referred to in the submission. I hadn't found the AP article yet.

  4. Re:Never ascribe to malice... by silentounce · · Score: 5, Funny

    "According to the Chinese delegate to the conference in Greece two weeks ago no sites are blocked."

    Wow, China is more liberal with the internet than my employer. Maybe I'll move there, I hear Tiananmen Square is lovely in June.

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  5. Re:Never ascribe to malice... by krell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " According to the Chinese delegate to the conference in Greece two weeks ago no sites are blocked."

    The same delegate would also be glad to tell you of China's wonderful human rights record, how much Chinese occupation has improved Tibet, and how China is democratic.

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  6. pool's over by brunascle · · Score: 5, Funny

    alright, you heard him, pool's over. who had 2 days?

  7. Excellent tactic by Akvum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let the ban lapse so all the free thinkers and government detractors can post on a popular site, then ban it one week later... sounds like they wanted an easy way to find out who to arrest next!

  8. Accordign to Google..... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They haven't blocked it:

    http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid =57869 (posted at 2:18 PM EST)
    http://www.toptechnews.com/news/China-Abandons-Wik ipedia-Censorship/story.xhtml?story_id=101009A5G2I Q (posted at 12:19 PM EST)

    I don't know if I entirely believe it, but that's another story....

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  9. Re:Tick Tock by megaditto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are wrong (I think).

    Rich, well-fed people do not drive revolutions. On the other hand, if you are hungry, cannot get a job, live on the street, cannot cloth your kids... in short, if you have nothing to lose, then all the freedom and democracy in the world will not abate your unrest.

    So the fact that China becomes prosperous is a very good news for the Dear Leaders. And very bad for our military.

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  10. Re:Searching vs typing in URL? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Wikinews, searching from within China on any non-Chinese search engine (including the English-language Google, Yahoo, and MSN you know and/or love) for the string "zh.wikipedia.org" will apparently get you banned from viewing that search engine for several minutes. I imagine this is to stop people finding references to the blocked site and discussions of its' blocking (like we are now) just as much as it is to discourage people using things like Google's cache to see the blocked material.

  11. Re:Tick Tock by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Rich, well-fed people do not drive revolutions.

    Huh. I could have sworn most of the founding fathers in the US were wealthy land owners. I suppose you could argue that they weren't the ones DRIVING the revolution, merely the ones leading it. But I've also never heard about the American revolution being started because the majority of people were hungry or un-employed. From what I've been told it was that people were pissed off that England was imposing draconian controls on trade, freedom of expression, etc.

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  12. Run TOR by Mantus · · Score: 5, Informative

    TOR helps people in oppressive countries freely access information and it needs to grow.
    http://tor.eff.org/

  13. Technical Glitches by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It wasn't immediately clear if Wikipedia was inaccessible due to technical glitches
    My guess is that it was accessible due to technical glitches.
  14. Re:Tick Tock by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Huh. I could have sworn most of the founding fathers in the US were wealthy land owners.
    The "American Revolution" was a regional separatist movement, which has a bit of a different dynamic than other "revolutions". Still, there is a bit of a point there: both types of revolts are often driven by the at least moderately well-off who see themselves as positioned to be even more well-off if the revolution succeeds, but rely on the plight of the badly off who are easily driven to resent either the physically distant (in the case of regional separatist movements) or socially distant (in other revolutions) ruling class for foot soldiers, though in revolutions other than regional separatist movements, the plight of the poor versus the apparent position of the rich generally has to be very bad, because there is otherwise generally less of a distinct clash of identity between the people revolting and those they are revolting against (though clear differences race, religion, or similar identity between the ruled and the rulers can facilitate in creating a clash that can drive rebellion with less of a visible economic divide.)
  15. A true reason why it blocked. by imkow · · Score: 3, Informative

    All major or minor gateways in china uses a gov-appointed security software installed (sometimes by answering to the gov's requirement), from provincial main cable to a local telcom station, from internet service provider to a router of an unit of a building. From up to down, layer by layer, the software can be everywhere, as a combination of firewall, anti-virus, anti-hacking, anti-porn, word-filtering, user access control and so forth. Many network administrators are quite ok with the software since it provides convinence and secrity to work on.

        The blockage of some websites could be a side effect using that software suit, some websites being blocked occasionaly might because some word trigger(such like some word might be used against The Party) was accidentially fired. Or else, some websites opening occasionally could because some trigger words are removed from the ban list of the software or from the page of the website , in which wikipedia can be the case.

    So maybe the control to release a website from ban list isn't in hands of the gov, since that secrity software suit has already been installed in every level of the network and works independently. It's more like a polical-oriented but technical problem now.

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  16. Re:You like flied lice? by Knuckles · · Score: 3, Informative

    and no, Chinese does not have different ...

    Says who? Standard High Chinese ("Mandarin") certainly has differences between r, l, t, d, p, b, g, and k. In detail (I assume you use Pinyin):

    r: similar to English r, tip of the tongue rolled upwards, voiced
    l: like in land or lung

    t: like english t, tip of the tongue touches back side of upper front teeth, but strongly aspirated with audible breath following the sound
    d: like t but not aspirated; short

    p: like english p, but strongly aspirated with audible breath following the sound
    b: like p, but not aspirated; short

    g: similar to english g; not aspirated, not voiced
    k: strongly aspirated with audible breath following the sound; speak nearly like kh

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  17. The Planetary Datalinks by SMACX+guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

  18. Re:Reflects Politics as a whole more like by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the reason for the US invasion of Iraq or Afganistan was US citizens genuinely fearing for their lives?

    Please be serious, every ruling class has their own agenda and they very rarely tell the people they rule.

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