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Patches For Pine Going Away

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the pining-for-the-fjords dept.

md8mart writes to let us know about the imminent shutdown of the site that distributes Pine patches. From the RSS feed of Patches for Pine we read the following bad news for all Pine users: "The Department of Mathematics of the University of Washington will close the account that hosts my Patches for Pine site. I would like to thank the Department of Mathematics for having hosted this site for so many years. I do not have current plans to move this site, but this site will disappear on December 15, 2006. Thank you to everyone who supported me by positive feedback and encouragement to do this work through the years. I will update this information as it becomes available."

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  1. oh god no! by krahli · · Score: 3, Funny

    this is terrible!

    1. Re:oh god no! by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative
      MollyB (162595) wrote:
      I haven't used Pine for 12 years or so, but this feels like the folks writing to say that old Rover is gone...

      Except that it isn't. It's the user site "patches for pine" that goes away, not pine, nor the pine web site, nor pine itself.

      The official web site is at http://www.washington.edu/pine/
      The site that will be closed is http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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    2. Re:oh god no! by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm not up on the pine scene but why aren't the patches folded into the upstream? Seems if you're checking out, you'd submit them all before you turn off the lights, but perhaps there is some legal reason.

      These patches have been around for a long time, and I'm sure the author has suggested them for upstream merger already.

      You're on the right track concerning legal reasons, which is why there's so much fuss about Pine patches compared to other software patches. In my understanding, the license forbids the distribution of unofficial versions, except for local use. You can only distribute your own version of Pine as a set of patches against the official version.

      Distributions like Gentoo get around this nicely by automatically patching and compiling upon install. But the fact remains that Pine is not Free software in the sense that you would be free to distribute your improvements.

      Personally, I'm not too worried as I believe the patches will find another home. I've used Pine since 1998, I think it strikes a very good balance between convenience of use and customizability, and I haven't found a decent alternative.

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  2. upgrade by zdzichu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's time to upgrade to Mutt.

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  3. Re:well geez... by djh101010 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I sent him an email offering to host the site, we'll see what happens. I see patchesforpine.com is available (or was when this article was in "red" preview status). We'll see what happens; I can't see it being a huge load on my webhosts.

  4. That's not what "pine" means by Wee · · Score: 4, Funny
    As Pine is not free software, time to move on to mutt or its next-gen friend, mutt-ng. No need to use a bloated GUI app to read mail.

    I don't care if pine is free or not. It's served me for many, many years. I use it daily, and it works well. It's not a gui app, either, though I'm not sure you were implying that it was.

    As for what "pine" means, here is the truth: "Pine Is Not Enough".

    That is false, and not terribly amusing. I had the great fortune to work for a number of years with one of pine's original developers. Over lunch one day, he told me that 'pine' isn't an acronym at all. But, he said, if it were to be made into a backronym, it was generally agreed that it should stand for "Pine Is a Neologist's Elm".

    You all can figure out what 'pico' doesn't stand for.

    -B

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    1. Re:That's not what "pine" means by SorcererX · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the PINE website ( http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) PINE stands for "Program for Internet News & Email".

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  5. The Project Is Not Dead... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just pining for the Fijords!

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  6. Re:Crap, so now I have to choose by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 4, Informative
    Check out Alpine:
    In late 2005, Computing & Communications at the University of Washington began a project to create a new family of email tools built upon the Pine® Message System. This family of tools is called Alpine. Alpine consists of a UNIX command-line program, a PC version, and a Web version. Alpine will be licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0. The target date for the release of Alpine is October 1, 2006.
    Obviously they didn't meet the target date, but if you can't live without pine it looks like it's still going to be around, and more sensibly-licensed too.
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  7. Well, I guess all that's left.. by Channard · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. is to drag the tree outside and put it by the bin, and then hoover up the needles.

  8. Re:Now is a great time to switch to mutt by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe there will be a massive switch to Alpine?

    From TFWP : "In late 2005, Computing & Communications at the University of Washington began a project to create a new family of email tools built upon the Pine® Message System. This family of tools is called Alpine. Alpine consists of a UNIX command-line program, a PC version, and a Web version.

    Alpine will be licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0."

    PINE was my first UNIX mail reader on the now defunct MRC HGMP server circa 1995 (how I miss that account) so I grew to love it. That was around the time I still thought PICO was a neat editor. Then I found vi, them vim, then mutt, and I've not looked back :)

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  9. It's not Open Source by Crasoum · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because Pine is not GPL/BSD Licensed open source program, it is owned by the Washington University and they allow you to make local changes, distribute free of charge, or charge in a packaged distribution for the packaging of the programs (IE not for pine/pico), but you are not allowed to comercially sell it, and must apply a local tag (L) to the patches or versions you change and distribute. Source

    Granted it is a pretty open license, but UW Still owns it.

  10. Re:Now is a great time to switch to mutt by JohnFluxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he wants to say that, he should be allowed to.

    Is it so difficult to allow other people to say what they think, rather than pushing your values onto them?

  11. Re:Crap, so now I have to choose by mustafap · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its the patches site thats going, not pine itself.

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  12. Just switch to CONE - nearly same interface by ballermann · · Score: 3, Informative

    I switched from pine to CONE a long time ago. It looks nearly like Pine, but has integrated GPG support and works fine with IMAP folders.

    See http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/cone00index.html for the website and http://wiki.splitbrain.org/cone for some info on compiling it.

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  13. Mutt's a pain in the ass to set up for SMTP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mutt is simple enough to configure when using IMAP to access a mailbox, but it starts to become a hassle when you want to send mail via SMTP. While Pine includes SMTP support, you have to use one of a number of third-party MTAs with Mutt for similar functionality. Setting all that up is often a hassle.

    I know the arguments behind not adding such support, and having been a Mutt user myself for a while I understand the raw power it offers. But I also understand that many people don't want to spend a lot of extra time setting up their mail client just because it doesn't include some core functionality.

  14. Re:well there's always /usr/bin/mail by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would use emacs. The only thing is, it lacks a decent text editor.

  15. No more patches for pine? by phil.bachman · · Score: 3, Funny

    With no site for pine patches I'll pine for patches while I mine patches to pine. :-(