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Drugs Eradicate the Need For Sleep

MattSparkes writes "New Scientist is running an article on lifestyle drugs that claim to help you function on little or no sleep. I'm dubious, but the interviewee in the article claims they work well. 'Yves (not his real name), a 31-year-old software developer from Seattle, often doesn't have time for a full night's sleep. So he swallows something to make sure he doesn't need one.'" But, sleep is where I'm a Viking!

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  1. Not good..... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as a scientist who used to study sleep and sleep disorders, I have to say this is troubling. Sleep has evolved for a purpose and a number of studies have shown that sleep is necessary or crucial to consolidate long term memories, stabilize mood and more. If you are a simple automaton in your job, then *perhaps* you might be able to get away with something like modafinil for short periods of time, but if your job requires thought and the use of memory and higher cognitive function, then you are doing yourself a disservice by taking these drugs. I worry that the long term effects will not become apparent until years later, like I suspect might happen with PDE inhibitors like Viagra, Cialis and Levitra.

    Humans have evolved an organized architecture of sleep where we progress through a number of stages of sleep. In other words, sleep is an active state that is not homogenous in that there are five generally accepted states of sleep separate from consciousness. Stages 1 and 2 are light sleep whereas 3 and 4 are deeper, more restful states of sleep with lower brain metabolic rates and more cortical synchronization. Stage 5 or REM sleep is actually a very active stage of sleep with very high metabolic requirements rivaling that or exceeding wakefulness and its thought that REM sleep may be necessary for memory consolidation. The trick is that the architecture of sleep is broken up into various stages and you do not really approach the most intense REM periods until after you have progressed back and forth through some of the other stages including a more brief period of REM sleep earlier in the night. So, the most intense REM period is late into sleep and often early in the morning. If you short change yourself of the other sleep periods, you reduce the quantity and quality of your REM sleep period.

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    1. Re:Not good..... by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Informative

      The appendix and spleen are NOT vestigial organs.

      True of the spleen, but at least according to wikipedia it's still controversial whether the appendix serves any real purpose:

      One explanation has been that the appendix is a vestigial structure with no current purpose.[citation needed] The appendix is thought to have descended from an organ in our distant herbivorous ancestors called the cecum (or caecum). The cecum is maintained in modern herbivores, where it houses the bacteria that digest cellulose, a chemically tough carbohydrate that these animals could not otherwise utilize. The human appendix contains no significant number of these bacteria, and cellulose is indigestible to us. It seems likely that the appendix lost this function before our ancestors became recognizably human.


      Maybe you're thinking of the tonsils?


      Statements like that (e.g., the appendix and spleen do not perform necessary functions) make evolutionists look stupid.

      From what I understand of evolutionary theory, that's not really accurate. It takes the correct mutations to eliminate organs that no longer serve any purpose. As long as they don't provide any disadvantage, they're not going to be eliminated from the gene pool.

      If anything, the existence of vestigial structures make intelligence design/creationists look stupid. Why would an intelligence designer create a structure that serves no purpose, (though the same structure exists in other "lower" animals that the organism and the animal both likely evolved from a common ancestor)?
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    2. Re:Not good..... by headonfire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, er, that article about the appendix is a bit wrong, or at least misleading; and you're quoting it out of context by ignoring the beginning paragraph about how the appendix connects.

      Humans _do_ have a cecum. It's at the beginning of the large intestine; it's the juncture where the small bowel(the ileum, more precisely) and large bowel meet. It's a bit of a pouch shape. There's also the ileocecal valve, which handles flow control. The appendix is directly connected to the cecum. The thing is hardly 'vestigial'. It may have been different, once, but what in our bodies hasn't changed at least a bit since we crawled out of the Soup?

    3. Re:Not good..... by kelleher · · Score: 4, Informative
      Here's a table of average daily sleep time for various animals.

      http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/chasleep.htm l

    4. Re:Not good..... by djp928 · · Score: 2, Informative
      The idea of everyone having an IQ of 300, being able to sleep 4 hours a week, and never getting sick may sound great to some, but where does it stop? After we've reached the point of greatly diminishing returns from drugs, do we turn to machines for enhancment? Do we augment ourselves with embedded computer chips, use genetic engineering to enhance our characteristics, or completely tailor our bodies and minds into something we can't even imagine today?

      Yup. It's called Transhumanism, and a lot of people subscribe to its basic philosophy of augmenting human beings with technology and medecine to create perhaps a higher lifeform.

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    5. Re:Not good..... by Schmendr1ck · · Score: 5, Informative
      A little bit of fact checking here:

      1) We actually do know quite a bit about what the brain does during REM sleep, and there are several theories on why REM sleep is necessary. But yes, these are theories and we don't know for certain which one, if any, is correct.
      2) I was unable to find any scientific evidence or reported cases of permanent psychological damage or death due to sleep deprivation, except in the case of an exceedingly rare biological disorder called Fatal Familial Insomnia. Of course, sleep deprivation can cause errors in judgment and reduced reaction time that can lead to death, but that wasn't what the parent meant.
      3) The radio DJ the parent mentions was a guy named Peter Tripp. Yes, he did a publicity stunt where he stayed awake for about 10 days and hallucinated. However, he lost his job because he was caught accepting thousands of dollars in payola from the record companies. He more likely "faded into obscurity" because of the scandal. Shortly afterwards he got out of the radio business and into other careers where he was more successful.

      This doesn't mean I disagree - I think drug-induced sleep deprivation has the potential for serious side effects and needs a heck of a lot more study before we all start taking our morning Modafinil. However, don't support a good argument with bad data. (Most of this info comes from Wikipedia - see Sleep Deprivation, Peter Tripp, and Fatal Familial Insomnia. All three entries appear to be well-referenced, feel free to spend an afternoon checking it out.)

    6. Re:Not good..... by Coulson · · Score: 2, Informative

      It apparently works by shutting off input to half of the brain, letting that half relax.

      Both eyes are connected to both hemispheres of your brain. It's not that everything seen by your left eye is processed by the right half of your brain: everything seen on the left half of your visual field -- regardless of which eye -- is processed by the right side of your brain.

      Closing one eye does not cut off input to half your brain. You'd have to close the left half of both eyes, which isn't going to work unless you have some crazy eyelids.

    7. Re:Not good..... by scottv67 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "restless leg syndrome" a combination of built up stress and lack of physical exercise...

      Nice try. Restless Leg Syndrome is not a combination of built-up stress and lack of physical exercise. Until you become more familiar with that disorder, you would be better-off sitting quietly and reading the posts from the sleep docs....

      -Scott <==Suffers from RLS

  2. Old news by WinkyN · · Score: 3, Informative

    This story appeared in the New Scientist in mid-February 2006.

  3. As someone that has actually used Modafinil by alexfeig · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did sleep studies for a year. I was the guy that brought patients in, hooked up electrodes for brain activity, belts for breathing, electrodes on the legs for leg movement, etc -- then I sat in a small office staring at a computer screen for sometimes 12 hours on end watching them sleep making sure nothing went wrong, as well as making notes on potential sleep disorders. Apnea, Periodic Leg Movements, mainly. Obviously this job required that I work graveyards. After about 8 months on the job, my sleep schedule began to skip. I met my wife, I was trying to maintain a social life in the afternoons, etc. I started staying up when I got home until sometimes 2PM before going back to work at 8PM. Bad news. We obviously had a doctor on the staff, and he called us sleep techs into a room and we discussed the latest discoveries, etc. What came up was Modafinil. He mentioned that while he recommended Melatonin, Modafinil is approved for graveyard workers. Shortly thereafter I started taking Modafinil. I'll tell you, it works. Caffine is a terrible substitute. I used to drink so much coffee on top of caffine pills I OD'd more than once on it. Modafinil had 0 side effects (for me), other than the occasional slight bit of anxiety. It kept me awake, and it made me feel like I didn't even need sleep. When I'd get home, I could easily go to sleep because while it made you not FEEL like you didn't need to sleep, actually falling asleep wasn't difficult. When I would wake up I felt rested. I used Modafinil for about 4 months total -- and if I ever feel compelled to ruin my life with another graveyard shift, I'll be taking it up again. It's a marvellous drug.

    1. Re:As someone that has actually used Modafinil by alexfeig · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe it is. As you pointed out I'm not a doctor so I'm not quite sure, for all I know he was just helping me out. That being said I do recall a conversation where I was informed the FDA had approved it for 3rd shift workers. I'm also not sure how many doctors are informed about the medication. The doctor that prescribed it to me was working for the company, and was a Sleep Medicine doctor. His entire practice was just devoted towards sleep disorders. As far as the rotating shift, and again I'm not a doctor, I think it would help.

    2. Re:As someone that has actually used Modafinil by UncleJooky · · Score: 2, Informative

      I currently use Modafinil. I first heard about this drug about a month ago and decided it was worth looking into. I wasn't interested in staying awake for days at a time. Instead I was interested in just plain staying awake during the day. Yes, I am fully aware that getting a good night's sleep will allow me to stay awake during the day. However, I actually like doing things during the time I am not at werq. Sometimes that cuts into a good night's sleep.

      I talked to a pharmacist about the drug and got his take on it. Obviously, he recommended not taking anything that wasn't prescribed, and not talking a doctor into a scrip that wasn't needed. Having covered his butt, he also told me that most OTC meds are much harsher on our bodies than Modafinil. This chat gave me enough information to base a decision on.

      I got some. For those of you out there wondering how...I will only say that a credit card and an internet connection can get you just about anything.

      So I have been taking it daily for about a month now. What do I get out of it? Not much. The biggest difference is that I don't spend all day wishing I could go for a nap. I just don't think about sleep anymore. I have also noticed that I tend to be more focused on what I am doing at work and have even started staying at work until I have completed a task, as opposed to leaving as soon as the clock hit the end of business hours.

      I missed a dose last week. I went home for lunch, as I usually do, and slept for two hours. For those of you screaming that it happened because I was sleep deprived, hold on a moment longer. Since starting on Modafinil, I have paid a lot more attention to how much sleep I am getting. I get about 8-9 hours most nights. The short nights are about 6 hours. This is hardly sleep deprived.

      I did try, half heartedly, once, to make an endurance run on Modafinil. I took my normal daily dose, a booster at lunch and then another in the evening. I finished up a project I was working on at about 0200 hours. I got bored and went to bed. At the time I felt like I could stay awake, if I wanted to, but I didn't want to, a didn't try.

      The benefits of Modafinil, in my experience are:
      Being alert during the day, but not hyped like with caffiene, taurine etc.
      Working for a full day, resulting in higher job satisfaction and less stress
      No 'crash' when the sugar, caffiene, taurine etc. have finished hyping me up.
      Improved mood
      The bad stuff:
      I can't get this stuff legally.

      So, there you go. Another opinion based on experience. I haven't addressed the long term side effects issue. I only have an opinion about that. For now, I'm not concerned. My quality of life has really improved from this. It may not sound like much, but it is a lot to me. For those of you concerned about controlling our bodies through chemistry, I challenge you to give up caffiene, nicotine, sugar, or any other of the fantastic things we use to get through the day, then you can talk about how bad controlling our bodies through chemistry is. I have given up caffiene as a requirement. I drink coffee, sometimes, socially. The sodas are gone too. The only other stim I still use in nicotine. I'm afraid I'm hooked on that one.

      Hope this satisfies some of your curiosity about Modafinil.

  4. Re:drug the followers by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative
    Germans used amphetamines in ww2.

    I swear it's like you people are deliberately living in denial.

    In WWII, the Germans and the US both used stimulants.

    The US used Benzedrine (aka "Bennies") and the Germans used Methedrine (now called Methamphetamine.)

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  5. You're right by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most people grow when they sleep. Then, their vertebrae compress during the day and they go to bed shorter. While horozontal the discs uncompress, resulting in "growth." Astronauts get about 2 inches taller in low gravity, but for us earthbound folk it is less, maybe 1-2 cm. Here is a link I found.

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  6. The body does not have a 24-hour sleep wake cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Humans, without a clock, visual cues such as the sun, etc. will adopt a 25-hour sleep wake cycle. Just wanted to point that out becuase the article suggests the body naturally has a 24 hour sleep wake cycle. That would seem appropriate given our 24 days here on Earth. But that's not the case.

  7. Gotta go with....no. by biggomez777 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Being bipolar, when my medication doesn't work I can go for days without sleep. This is not good. The brain starts doing strange things after day 3 or so. I can only imagine what would happen WHEN, not IF, people start abusing something like this. Sleep is incredibly important to anyone with an illness of any kind, be it physical or mental. Without it, the condition worsens.
    Imagine what would happen if this became commonplace. There's a reason that they don't give anti-depressants to make everyone happy. In a small % of the population it can/will cause a psychotic episode. Severe sleep deprivation can do the same thing, set off things in the brain that a person only had a tendency for before. Your great grand-mother was a paranoid schizophrenic? Great, now that you decided to cram for a test for 3 days, you set it off. The chances are low, granted, but do you really want to play with something like that? Get your 8 hours and be happy that you can.

  8. NO! ADHD is not a myth! by ebers · · Score: 2, Informative

    My brother is brilliant but couldn't concentrate on a book long enough to read 15 pages of it. Writing was similarly impossible. He figured he was a lazy and disorganized, and just couldn't concentrate due to insufficient moral fiber. So, despite being brilliant, he counted himself out of any kind of intelectually rewarding career. Then he learned about ADHD and tried some medication. It was like throwing a switch- now he can concentrate and work hard, and he does. ADHD meds made it possible for him to thrive at law school, where so much counselling, introspection, self-blame, and "lifestyle changes" did nothing.

    Overdiagnosed as ADHD is, there are lots of cases out there like my brother's, and you cannot dismiss the reality of ADHD without considering them.

  9. STOP THE HYPE by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am aware that Cephalon is spending a fortune on viral marketing.

    Without the hype induced placebo this drug is nothing more than a MDMA/Ephedra mix without the bad music.

    Stop buying into the hype.

    Fed up of seeing the same exaggerated claims appearing repeatedly, recycled specially in Slashdot.

    signed: An ex-modafinil user.

  10. As a user by runcible · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a diagnosed "sleep disorder", but the actual root cause is my job -- I run an OPS group, so insanely long and/or irregular hours are the norm ( guaranteed to have to work 48 hours straight about once every three months, and have to run on 2-3 hours of sleep pretty regularly ).

    To "manage" this, I have a perscription for Ambien ( just switched to CR, `cause it makes it easier to go back to sleep after having to wake up and work for two hours in the middle of the night ) and a perscription for Provigil ( 400 mg/dy ). The pharma is what lets me cope with this schedule when I need to, otherwise I'd be jello.

    I have nothing but good things to say about Provigil, it lets me do what I need to do without worrying about whether or not my body can keep up. Not to mention the newfound ability to drive from NYC to Miami with nothing but gas an bathroom breaks. However, there are a couple big things that get overrepresented, or that don't get considered:

    1) This stuff lets you operate for long periods of time without sleep and more-or-less without accruing sleep debt, and it lets you function semi-normally on very little sleep. However, it does not keep extended periods of sleeplessness from taking a mental toll -- the longer you go without sleep the more your cognitive ability and short-term memory suffer, modafinil doesn't change that. So yeah, I can run 40 hours straight no problem taking 400 mg of this shit every 12-14 hours, but you get gradually dumber over that span even though you can stay alert and responsive. By the end of a 40-hour run I'm functioning at low-normal to low intelligence, my short term memory is basically nonexistant, and I'm extremely distractable...to the point where sometimes I trail off in the middle of a sentence. So if you do anything other than long-haul trucking, your work will suffer as time goes on.

    2) Potential for psychological dependency is very high among the subset of the population likely to use it for its "lifestyle" effects. It improves your concentration by orders of magnitude and lets you run at that high level for quite a while before secondary fatigue effects (see above) start taking a bite out of your performance. For people who derive large portions of their self-worth from their mental abilities, this shit is anabolic steroids -- won't hook you physically, but it makes you *way* better at what you do. And you start to miss it if it isn't there.

    3) It gives you headaches -- not all the time, but often enough. Since I started regular use, I get headaches at least 30% more than I used to. Also it can make you really nauseous -- although it also seems to have an appetite supressant effect, and an empty stomach combined with coffee consumption and smoking more heavily than normal could explain the nausea. Also, it makes your urine smell really bad, which has a nice synergistic thing with the nausea...

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