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Judge To SCO — Quit Whining

chiark writes, "Back in June, the magistrate judge presiding over SCO vs IBM gutted SCO's claims, as discussed on Slashdot. SCO cried 'foul,' appealed to the District Judge, and today that judge has ruled against SCO, succinctly and concisely affirming every point of the original damning judgement. Also included in this ruling is the news that the Novell vs. SCO trial will go first: 'After deciding the pending dispositive motions in this case, and after deciding the dispositive motions in Novell, which should be fully briefed in May 2007, the court will set a trial date for any remaining claims in this action.' It's notable that the judge conducted the review using a more exhaustive standard than required out of an 'abundance of caution,' and still found against SCO." As Groklaw asks and answers: "What does it mean? It means SCO is toast."

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  1. This is the time... by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Funny

    I better act fast! This is the time to sell my remaining SCO stock before the tsunami strikes.

  2. that's what he said? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read the article and I didn't see "quit whining" anywhere.

    I realize that was a crude paraphrasing, but a more neutral/appropriate headline might make this a more reputable site.

    1. Re:that's what he said? by fotbr · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is slashdot. Neutral does not exist with respect to linux, microsoft, and sco. Other topics may vary.

    2. Re:that's what he said? by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      . . .a more neutral/appropriate headline might make this a more reputable site.

      What, and ruin it's reputation? I don't think so.

      KFG

    3. Re:that's what he said? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quit whining... :-)

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    4. Re:that's what he said? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a more neutral/appropriate headline might make this a more reputable site.

      I once tried to explain the SCO case to someone. They thought I was BSing them. The case is simply so screwed up from pretty much any rational (and non-scamming) perspective that even if Slashdot were neutral, it should stand up and say, "HEY! This is messed up". Sometimes I worry we get so caught up in NPOV and neutrality that we forget that there is objective truth, and the objective truth is that SCO is making dozens of claims it can't back up, to the judge's annoyance.

    5. Re:that's what he said? by Zenaku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      News is NOT supposed to be neutral. It is supposed to be objective. Most news outlets today strive to be neutral, which leads to shallow, insipid reporting, in which no outlet has the balls to report anything as fact. Instead they simply report whatever each side of an issue says.

      "The admistration said today that flatulence is caused by an evil faerie named Mortimer, however some critics disagree!"

      Objective means fact-checking, and reporting what is true. Neutral means echoing every opinion and statement that is fed to you, regardless of the source, in order to treat all standpoints and arguments as equally valid. Neutral is a horrible thing for news to be.

      That being said, slashdot can't be called an prime example of neutrality or objectivity.

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  3. Groklaw rules by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like this line from the Groklaw article:

    What's worse for SCO is, Kimball did a de novo review, out of an "abundance of caution," so they can't even appeal that issue.

    Yep, SCO is toast. Please move on, nothing to see here.

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    1. Re:Groklaw rules by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wish they had talked about Novell vs IBM going first

      IBM & Novell have both been saying: No, you go first.

      IIRC, IBM wants Novell to go first to settle the copyright issues, which would make large portions of SCO's case against IBM moot.

      And now that I think about it, I don't remember why Novell wanted IBM to go first. I know SCO wanted the IBM case to go first, just to delay things even more.

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    2. Re:Groklaw rules by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Informative

      The primary reason Novell wanted IBM to go first was probably because it meant that IBM's lawyers would have to be paid, and not Novell's.

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  4. Jon Katz and SCO in the same week? by s20451 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is this, 2003? I'm looking forward to the latest press release from the the Iraqi information minister.

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  5. And the Downward Spiral Begins by cacepi · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the Downward Spiral begins; SCO stock down 10%; rated 'HOLD - Dangerous Risk/Reward Rating.'

    Your goose is downright cooked, SCO.

  6. There may not be a trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My favorite part of the judgement is: "After deciding the pending dispositive motions in this case, and after deciding the dispositive motions in Novell, which should be fully briefed in May 2007, the court will set a trial date for any remaining claims in this action."

    A trial date for any remaining claims ... I have a feeling that Judge K. thinks there may be no remaining claims after the dispositive motions. What are the dispositive motions you ask? Those are things that can be decided as a matter of law because the facts of the case are not in dispute. The judge can rule on those without going to a jury. There is a possibility that the judge's decisions will completely gut all of SCO's case. It is also possible that the judge will decide that all of SCO's money has to go into a constructive trust because SCO has basically stolen tens of millions of dollars from Novell. That would bankrupt SCO. All the remaining issues would then be settled by SCO's bankruptcy trustee. The bankruptcy trustee (completely independent from SCO's current management) will see no point in continuing the litigation and will settle on whatever terms the creditors (IBM and Novell mostly) dictate.

    There is also the distinct possibility that SCO and BSF (their lawyers) will be punished for bringing a case before the court that has zero merit. It is a frivolous case and lawyers can be debarred for that kind of conduct.

    1. Re:There may not be a trial by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Interesting
      IBM wants this to go to trial. They've had many opportunities to make this case go away, and they haven't even tried. They don't want SCO to surrender, they want to crush SCO.

      While IBM very much wants to crush SCo they would prefer the crushing happens before trial. Anything can happen with a jury. But they have filed Motions for Summary Judgement which is the core of the dispositive motions the GP talked about. (AC or not- he knows the law.)

      To elaborate further, in Summary Judgement the side argues that even if all the facts are viewed in the light most favorable to the opposition, they would still lose the case. Given the lack of evidence forthsoming from SCO, it would not surprise me in the least if most of the SJ motions were granted in IBM's favor. Indeed, a not unlikely scenario would see the trial proceeding only on IBM's Counterclaims!

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  7. What Wells said in June... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...was basically that SCO has had 3+ years to show any evidence that they could come up with that IBM violated SCO's copyrights or patents by contributing code the Linux kernel. In that time, they haven't shown one single of code. They've whined and complained that IBM was being unfair and not giving them what they asked for, when in fact IBM did put up everything that was asked for. As Wells put it: "In the view of the court it is almost like SCO sought to hide its case until the ninth inning in hopes of gaining an unfair advantage despite being repeatedly told to put 'all evidence . . . on the table'"

    So Magistrate Wells threw out half the case. Then SCO whined to Kimball, the judge of record in the case saying "Magistrate Wells is being unfair and thew out most of our case! Wha!" This is Kimball coming back saying, "Sorry, Wells was right. You don't have a leg to stand on."

    After the Novell case, which seeks to prove, among other things, the disposition of the UNIX System V copyrights (which Novell claims to still own), there isn't likely to be hardly anything left of SCO v. IBM. Kimball was right to put Novell first the case might throw out SCO's intellectual property claims in regard to Unix altogether.

    In the end, I fully expect IBM to eat SCO for lunch on the counterclaims, even after they dropped most of them except for the Lanham Act violations.

  8. Novell going first not a good thing by Software · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that Novell is all kissy-kissy with Microsoft, having Novell go first in the lawsuit vs. SCO might not be so good. As we all know, Microsoft basically funded SCO's Unix IP fishing expedition with a $50 million "licensing" deal. I'd much rather have IBM be the one to grind SCO to a pulp. Hopefully, Novell will not pull any punches, and IBM can continue the beating after Novell's had their fill.

    1. Re:Novell going first not a good thing by robyannetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a side note, I _hope_ that when SCO is buried and Novell and IBM walk away from this with a satisfied grin on their faces (ala Captain Morgan), IBM should make a bid to buy Novell then GPL the Unix Sys V source code.

      It's the whipped cream topping on the Pumpkin Pie.

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  9. Last chance offer! by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is your last chance to take advantage of SCO's special licensing offer of only $699 per computer. Better get those orders in before it's too late!

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  10. Re:Groklaw's Being Just A Bit Immature by richg74 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have followed this case on Groklaw since the early days, as I have, you'll remember that PJ has been the target of considerable mud-slinging from SCO: she was just a paid shill for IBM, that sort of thing. You may also remember that, early on, there were quite a few self-styled "analysts" (the apparently tireless, and certainly tiresome, Ms. Laura Didio comes to mind) who expressed their confidence in the validity of SCO's case. I'll give PJ a pass on the self-congratualation.

  11. Re:Hmmm...now this looks familiar... by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Am I the only one who sees this as reminiscent the scene in Star Wars IIIYou are the only one here who thinks Star Wars III is worth remembering at all.

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