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The Demise of the Professional Photojournalist

Dan Gillmor has a piece up on his Center for Citizen Media blog about the coming decline in the venerable professions of photojournalism and videography. It's hard to fault Gillmor's argument that the ubiquity of Net-connected cameras and cell phones will mean that, for breaking news at least, a pro will rarely if ever be the ones who capture the shot or the footage that gets widely published and reprinted. The comments to Gillmor's post are worth reading. One reader pulls out the figure that a billion camera phones will be in use globally by 2008.

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  1. A place for the professional communicator... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One might make an argument for this, but I am not quite so sure this is the "demise of the professional photojournalist" for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the ability to effectively communicate. Sure a picture can tell a thousand words, but that photograph needs to be placed in context. I take lots of photos that describe what I see, do and where I go, but I would never think of myself as a professional journalist. These images for me are a means to communicate and keep in touch with family and friends (a blog, right?), not to disseminate the news to the rest of the world. The fact that sometimes images from my site do resonate with news agencies/institutions or individuals around the world is cool, but it is a rarity that I get requests for re-publication (one every three months or so) and it is not how I make my living.

    Additionally, there is also the issue of ethics that most professional publications usually get right, but there are the admitted occasional screw-ups. Usually however, there are issues of image/video provenance to deal with that may not always reflect reality ("I found it on the Internets, so it must be true!") that editorial boards put through a vetting process to filter out much of the fakery/deceipt.

    The Internet has enabled the ability to democratically (small "d") reach huge masses of people with relatively few resources and I expect that we will see more citizen reporting as the years go on. It may in some cases also challenge the mainstream media for particular stories, but the reality is that most folks have other jobs/things that keep them busy and they do not have the resources or time to become professional journalists. When they do obtain the appropriate resources/time/credibility, they have just crossed over into the world of the professional journalist.

    Technology will cause things to change and serve as a destabilizing influence for many established institutions, but I think we will always have and pay people who relate the news to us, bring us the wider world and tell stories. This will become especially more important as increasing percentages of societies become more specialized and fragment their time into narrowly defined regions of interest/study.

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    1. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Sunburnt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree; camera phones will provide a new source of visual information, but only as a result of their ubiquity. This sort of media exposure for fortunately-placed amateur videography is not exactly new (think Zapruder film), and there will be a place for highly-produced news photography as long as there is any sort of professional media.

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    2. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by KokorHekkus · · Score: 1

      I agree with Suburnt because the most important photo journalists are the ones that are willing to put their ass on the line. Not to diminish the occaisonal photographer but I do belive that those who do "highly-produced" material (using Sunburnts wording) by seeking it out will always make valuable contributions. So mod Sunburnt up. Think about it, he has a point.

    3. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Every time I see an amateur video on the news I think "that's interesting, but it's too bad they didn't get a professional cameraman there in time."

      Camera phones... shudder.

    4. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that stuff like newspapers don't use good quality printing, so you can get away with a lesser camera. Camcorder quality is improving, but more people are just using cell phone cameras to shoot photos or record video, and those cameras are still pretty bad. A lot of online stories by the news organizations don't have much by the way of photos either, the ones that I do see are very low res, whether or not it was taken by a good camera.

    5. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Sunburnt · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Imagine watching Gov. Wallace and the National Guard, for example, on YouTube with a shaking image, filled with students' heads and scratchy wind noise. Today such footage would exist, but nobody would be aware of it unless there was no professional present. The "macaca" moment is a great example of the latter.

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    6. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Yes and most of us are assuming local news. What about other situations like say Iraq? How many of us are in Iraq with cell phones. I'm not saying that locals will not take photos, but its unlikely they will get attention in our media. (regardless if you're american like me or live somewhere else) News can happen anywhere. Also, news outlets do interviews with people. I don't see a professional journalist wanting to take a photo for time or newsweek with their 1 megapixel sanyo they got at the local sprint store.

    7. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Camcorder quality is improving, but more people are just using cell phone cameras to shoot photos or record video, and those cameras are still pretty bad.

      I'm sorry, I believe you misspelled "complete crap" ;-)

    8. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Every time I see an amateur video on the news I think "that's interesting, but it's too bad they didn't get a professional cameraman there in time."
      Yeah, so? The point is that's usually impossible. Gadget-freaks obsess about image quality, but if you want images of an event as it actually happened, the choice is often between "something" and "nothing."

      Yes, there will always be a market for high-quality searing images of the aftermath of an attack or natural disaster. But now, there's a market for images and video of the actual event too, even if it isn't pretty to look at. I think it's pretty neat, and will have a big impact. In fact, I don't think the Abu-Ghirab scandal would ever have broken with any significant impact, without the ease of transmitting digital photos.

    9. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you read the article (yeah, I know, stupid question). The thesis is that professional videographers and photographers who cover breaking news are going to find themselves unemployed.

      So when there's a choice between something and nothing, which do you choose? Something, obviously. But how does that mean the pros are going to be out of work? Amateur video will continue to be used as it is now, and always has been -- used when nothing better is available and even then usually as short clips preceding a pro's interpretation of the aftermath. You want a story about the war in Iraq? You send a pro and maybe supplement his work with some amateur footage... heavily edited by the pro.

      And we're not talking about gadget freaks and better resolution. There's more to shooting video or pictures than how many megapixels you've got. Most of the work happens AFTER the camera has done it's job.

    10. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep, the most important photographs of the 20th century tankman,Iwo Jima,Hindenburg, etc were all taken by professional photographers despite the near ubiquitous access to cameras, especially during the second half of the century when mass production made them so cheap they literally were available in the checkout lane alongside gum and candy. I don't think that more access to crap is going to make people stop wanting something high quality. Heck look at porn on the net, there's tons of it available for free yet I don't see Vivid et al going out of business.

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    11. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of the work happens AFTER the camera has done it's job.

      I agree with everything else you said, but this I have to take issue with. Most of the work happens before the camera is pointed. Photojournalists put a lot of thought into the story they want to tell and the kind of images they need to tell that story. They spend a lot of time and money finding out what the story is and getting into position to be able to capture it, and then put a great deal of effort getting into the right place at the right time to produce the composition they want. After the shot, there's still a lot of work to be done, mostly selecting the right image from among the hundreds or thousands of photos shot, plus some effort in post-processing it to maximize its impact (though without altering the image -- photojournalists should not be doing that).

      I'd argue that pros put in the bulk of their work before the shot even for unplanned, opportunistic shots. Years of practice are required so that when that split-second opportunity comes, the photographer recognizes it and automatically grabs the perfect angle and composition to maximize the power and impact of the image, then snaps the shot with perfect focus, DOF and exposure, all without even thinking about it.

      Taking crappy pictures is easy. Anyone who happens to be in the right place at the right time can do it. Taking great photos, powerful images that resonate with viewers and say something important requires either extraordinary luck, or extraordinary skill, both artistic and technical.

      I'm an amateur who is working hard at learning to take good photos, and although my efforts have improved my photography, what I've really learned is just how large the gap is and how much there is to learn. My photos today are dramatically better than the snapshots I took even a year ago; I've learned a great deal about composition, lighting, color, form and all of the technical details that go into producing a high-quality image. I'm pretty happy with my pictures, but when I look at professional work it blows me away. Even shots that had to have been taken by pure reflex are technically perfect and composed with exquisite artistry. I'm sure I'll spend the rest of my life working toward that skill level, but never achieving it.

      Professional photographers of all sorts, including photojournalists, aren't going anywhere. People enjoy beautiful, artistic, emotionally powerful images that not only tell a story but do it with style and visual impact. You don't get many of those out of a crowd full of cellphone cameras.

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    12. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll grant the article's premise about photojournalists going extinct is silly.

    13. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by racermd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I haven't seen all the comments below just yet, but here's reinforcement of the posts before mine: The availability (some might say ubiquity) of digital cameras is a near-perfect analog to the proverbial thousand-monkeys-in-a-room. Sure, we might see some amazing pictures of world, national, or local events, but it's not the quantity that makes the difference. It's the quality.

      As an amateur photographer myself, I know how difficult it is to communicate effectively in a purely visual medium. There's a number of factors that must be considered - color, light, framing, depth-of-field, etc. All of this is before we start to get into the actual camera settings required to effectively capture the image. It's definitely an art, and it's not going to go away any time soon. And don't give me any crap about how technology can take the guesswork out of it. Yes, you can make perfectly good snapshots (NOT photographs) with a point-and-shoot camera in automatic mode. Almost always, those settings are meant to give consistent results, not artistic results. (Although, one could make the argument that using the automatic mode itself can be a tool in the artist's kit. I digress..)

      Rather, what I see happening in the future is camera-phones, compact digital cameras, and fixed web-enabled security-style cameras (among others) will bring us the most current images of breaking news while actual journalists will arrive later (if deemed newsworthy) and provide a higher quality product for the public to consume. It's not very much different than the situation today.

      After all, most of the people I know aren't actively looking for events to submit to news agencies. Most of the photos and videos they take are newsworthy only to themselves and perhaps their family and friends. Only if something major happens will it wind up on someone's sensor or film. I seriously doubt people are going to change all that much in the near future.

      That's my take on it, anyway.

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    14. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Spackler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a photojournalist myself, I see the continued need. Sure, right place at the right time is great for cameraphones and pocket digital cameras, HOWEVER, the photo editor of any paper above podunk town status will still need pros to go out and shoot news or sports. It is the experience and the ability to know that they will get a usable shot under any circumstance that they pay for. If they send you somewhere, and you come back with junk, you tend to not last long. If you show up with a pocket camera as your main gear, they pretty much know you are not a photographer, and won't even look at your stuff.

      Spot stuff, sure, it is great to have the help. Scheduled stuff (90% of the paper) needs real photographers.

    15. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I actually wrote that, then deleted it before submitting to keep things simple. I agree completely. Photojournalists and photographers put in a lot of planning before they start. Most of getting great shots is making sure you're in the right place ready to take advantage of opportunities, then recognizing them when they present themselves. A good photographer (and videographer) will see something and know what he wants the shot to look like before he ever looks through the camera.

      Once you've GOT the picture, it takes anything from a few contrast and saturation adjustments to the full dodging, burning treatment (not inserting and deleting important elements though).

      Anybody in the right place can capture an image of something important, and that's definitely useful, but we're used to (and demand) artistry if at all possible.

    16. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

      Almost always, those settings are meant to give consistent results, not artistic results.

      In 98% of the cases, being at the right spot and getting the picture is what matters. As long as the picture didn't under/oversaturate so the information is completely lost, you have a good picture that can be fixed up. Not so if you missed the shot. Of course, if you're doing photography as art that's different, but if you're essentially there to document it doesn't take more than a layman.

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    17. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      People have been able to write for millenia, but the overwhelming majority do not write novels or newspaper columns. There's more to profesional photography then point and shoot.

      There will always be a place for the camara on the spot in an unexpected situation, there's nothing new there.

      What we have here is another 'new technology x will kill old technology y' class of prophecy. These are so pointless. I mean, we still have a vinyl record shop in my town, and it does plenty of business..

    18. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by toQDuj · · Score: 1

      Never mind that iwo jima was a set-up photograph shoot... Artistically, it's nice.
      However, the pulling down of the Hussein statue during the America-Iraq war, could only be described as tacky.

      B.

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    19. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Eivind · · Score: 1
      Yeah. I agree. Pro photographers will still be needed. Perhaps less than before, but still needed.

      For unpredictable events, it may be the amateurs "wins", because actually *having* a picture/film of something beats not having it, regardless of quality.

      If someone had actually filmed the lorry-driver in the swiss-alps tunnel stopping and putting out a fire on his lorry *twice* before, extinguisher empty, and the lorry still burning, deciding to drive the thing out to avoid an inferno -- it wouldn't *matter* if the images where dark, smoky, shaking, out-of-focus, whatever. People love heroics and the spectacular.

    20. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ethical standards of news publications, which ensure that most pictures are real and not doctored, is not the only thing that will keep professional photographers in business. It is their lack of ethics. I recently interned at a large tabloid. I was surprised at the complete disregard the photographers had for the subjects. For example, the ex-wife of an at-the-time famous suicide victim didn't want to speak to the press. Our photographers would follow her to work each day on public transport while constantly photographing her, telling her that if she spoke to reporters they would leave her alone. Each day, trying to avoid the reporters and photographers, she would leave for work earlier. This didn't work because the paper had photographers outside her house 24 hours a day. These photos were published. How many amateur photographers would take these photos? How many would think to submit them to a paper?

    21. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Most of the work happens AFTER the camera has done it's job.
      I agree with everything else you said, but this I have to take issue with.
      Me too. That apostrophe is so wrong.
    22. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Good point, but you still need skills to pick out a subject. Randomly shooting around in the heat of a battle is unlikely to give any interesting results. Also, camera phones have usually very bad zoom ability. Nobody wants wide-angle shots of something far away.

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    23. Re:A place for the professional communicator... by joeljkp · · Score: 1

      This is false. Read the sourced Wikipedia entry.

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  2. Re:Big whoop by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 3, Funny

    Failed photographers who just so happen to own a vest with lots of pockets. Not so easy now, is it? How 'bout a little respect.

  3. New Legislation by Thunderstruck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A good headline like this should always be followed with a call for new legislation. We need to protect the industry. Perhaps we could ban trafficking in illicit news-related photographs, or the use of technologies that allow unrestricted sharing of such photographs on the internet.

    On the other hand, the few photojournalists I know can usually take vastly better pictures of a newsworthy event with a disposable camera than I can with a phone/camera of any kind. Maybe talent will save the industry instead.

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    1. Re:New Legislation by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > On the other hand, the few photojournalists I know can usually take vastly better pictures of a newsworthy event with a disposable camera than I can with a phone/camera of any kind. Maybe talent will save the industry instead.

      And on the gripping hand, the few Farkers and Something Awful goons I've seen can usually do vastly better Photoshopping of newsworthy events with a pirated copy of Photoshop 5.0 than any Reuters photojournalist can do, even with a DSLR that costs more than a small country and a volume site license of Photoshop CS2 with free upgrades to CS3.

    2. Re:New Legislation by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny that you should mention that. It looks like Senator John McCain might be thinking along similar lines,...

    3. Re:New Legislation by fbjon · · Score: 1

      So what? Photoshopping skills are really not what you're looking for in photojournalism.

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    4. Re:New Legislation by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      Ok, I hereby call for legislation which prohibits the showing of bad pictures in public. Out of focus, improperly composed, people at a slant with the tops of their heads cut off (unless that's the way you found them), and boring pictures of nothing passed off as examples of journalistic purity will get you exiled to Saskatoon. In January.

      There goes Gannett, and my local Fox affiliate.

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  4. No more photojournalists?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    But ... but ... who will save us from the all those raging zombies?!?!?!?!?!

    1. Re:No more photojournalists?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But ... but ... who will save us from the all those raging zombies?!?!?!?!?!
      Dude. I don't know about you, but I for one welcome our camera phone wielding zombie overlords! Oh wait. You mean a different kind of zombies? Pshah. I guess I'll welcome those too. :P
    2. Re:No more photojournalists?!?!?! by whoisjoe · · Score: 1

      OK, who has a cricket bat?

  5. Eh, not so soon by daeg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work with dozens of journalists and videojournalists (TV). While yes, some people do send in video news for us to use, most of the time it sucks. Horribly. Probably the largest use of user-contributed content to-date (with success) is CNN's iReport. However, not even all of the iReport stuff is end-user information -- much of it comes from the other newspaper and television stations that work with CNN.

    Intelligent people or not, the population does demand a certain amount of traditional news. Some things can easily be covered in the future by freelancers or bloggers (like concerts and local events), but a blogger has nothing riding on being wrong. Journalists, at least, have their credibility--and whole career--on the line with big stories. If they are grossly factually incorrect, their career (at least in the big, large-pay markets) will be completely destroyed.

    What does a freelancer or blogger have to lose? Nothing. A blogger "journalist" can simply get a new domain and start all over again, possibly using their old content to backdate content to make themselves look established as their new identity.

    Sure, a journalist can simply change markets to escape criticism, but they can't change their name. What they say and what they do follows them forever.

    While traditional mediums may be on the slow decline (Newspaper and local television), that doesn't indicate that they will become useless. Do you really trust these up-and-coming "journalists" to, say, explain to your grandmother why her voting location changed? Which "journalist" would she believe? They could all be wrong, for all she knows.

    Most people will come to realize that non-professionals can hold a much stronger, and covert, bias than traditional journalists could ever hope to hold.

    1. Re:Eh, not so soon by rubberpaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Additionally, professionals are much, much better at documentary photojournalism as well as photojournalism for pre-organized events, such as sporting events and political events.

      I suspect that amateur photography will continue to push the professionals to do yet better. This can only be a good thing.

    2. Re:Eh, not so soon by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If they are grossly factually incorrect, their career (at least in the big, large-pay markets) will be completely destroyed.

      Not necessarily true. The whole Al Capone's Vault fiasco didn't exactly kill Geraldo Rivera's career. Granted, it didn't help, and it made him look like an ass on national tv. But he's found other roles in other areas.

      On another note, it's a darn good thing we didn't send him into Iraq to look for WMDs,... or did we, and that's the real reason we didn't find anything there?

    3. Re:Eh, not so soon by HappySqurriel · · Score: 1

      Intelligent people or not, the population does demand a certain amount of traditional news. Some things can easily be covered in the future by freelancers or bloggers (like concerts and local events), but a blogger has nothing riding on being wrong. Journalists, at least, have their credibility--and whole career--on the line with big stories. If they are grossly factually incorrect, their career (at least in the big, large-pay markets) will be completely destroyed.

      This is how it should work but unfortunately this is not how the system actually does work. The fact is that more and more people are looking at blogs as a way to find information because the main news channels tend to editorialize rather than inform, and misrepresnet the news to further their agenda; most people recognize that bloggers editorialize and misrepresent information but the bloggers are more open about it and you have a choice about the slant you get.

      Seriously, obectively watch/read the news and you will find that the news is never giving the whole story they are just giving the side of the story they want you to know.

    4. Re:Eh, not so soon by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "didn't exactly kill Geraldo Rivera's career. "

      No, just his credibility. And his integrity. I remember being shocked that he was on a real news channel, but then turned my conclusion around and decided it was not a real news channel.

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    5. Re:Eh, not so soon by EvanED · · Score: 2, Funny

      On another note, it's a darn good thing we didn't send him into Iraq to look for WMDs,... or did we, and that's the real reason we didn't find anything there?

      He was over there embedded with some US troops.

      Then he aired a description of their troop movements as part of his news broadcast (including a map drawn in the sand), and the Army essentially booted him.

    6. Re:Eh, not so soon by hyperball · · Score: 1

      The abu ghraibhttp://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444 pictures are the perfect example of how nonphotojournalist can take great pictures. still, professionals are needed, specially to get the pictures we never see(like Darfur or Chechnya).

  6. Will the cell phone bloggers by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    have powerful enough software to add their own fake smoke into the scene? That is the mark of the professional journalist :P

    1. Re:Will the cell phone bloggers by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Only if you work for Reuters. :)

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    2. Re:Will the cell phone bloggers by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

      You mean, "turn up the dust removal too high," as that is what Adnan Hajj did, and it's quite obvious once you start counting pixels.

  7. Same thing happening with movie directors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the advent of cheap digital videos and editing systems, people just watch the shit on utube instead of watching what Mel Gibson or David Lynch or some professional with a vision might create.

    1. Re:Same thing happening with movie directors by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      It depends on who is directing and producing. I will NEVER, EVER watch anything that has Michael Moore's name attached to it. But if somebody like Peter Jackson or Steven Spielberg is producing, well,... I might just tune in. But if anybody BUT Peter Jackson makes The Hobbit, it wouldn't be worth crap.

    2. Re:Same thing happening with movie directors by slightlyspacey · · Score: 1

      From one Moore hater to another, there is ONE Michael Moore movie that you HAVE to see. Michael Moore wrote and directed Canadian Bacon . Plot summary: "The U.S. President, low in the opinion polls, gets talked into raising his popularity by trying to start a cold war against Canada." Absolutely hilarious and highly recommended. This was before he became a spoof of himself.

  8. Take enough pictures and a few will be good by VGfort · · Score: 1

    If you take about 100 pictures, usually 1 of them is worthwhile. Although having someone that can get it right with 1-5 shots is better. I'm sure user submitted stuff is changing things up a bit, but someone has to sit around and edit those things. Raw photos need to go through photoshop, raw videos need to be edited, shortened and made more interesting than 15 minutes of a lighting storm.

    1. Re:Take enough pictures and a few will be good by RobertinXinyang · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you take about 100 pictures, usually 1 of them is worthwhile. Although having someone that can get it right with 1-5 shots is better."

      This is generally my approach for taking pictures that I intend to have placed in the newspaper. I go where news is going to happen then I take several hundred (or at least it seems that way). After I have done this I will, generally, have one or two that are worth submiting. I can assure you that these are not taken with a phone camera.

      As far as the issue of accuracy and creditibility of blogs, the answer I give my students is simple. Tell the truth of what you see and only what you see. If your are expressing what you feel then be sure to state that it is what you feel.

      If you get something wrong in your blog it is much easer to deal with than it is in print; no, you dont shut down the blog and start a new one, or just hope that no one notices. You can appologize and make a correction (not an edit!). This does nothing but to enhanse your creditibility.

      I have to admit that my current blog is more of a travelog and is filled with a lot of snapshots . I also have to eventually move it to a proper account. www.myspace.com/robert_crawford However, it does express my observations (mostly, this one is just keeping family and friends up to date with my life, as are most blogs). In the interests of accuracy, I will also state that I teach english, philosophy, and logic (a subset of philosophy), not journalism.

  9. I'm sorry by Stick_Fig · · Score: 1

    A photojournalist will have a far better idea of what he's doing than some schmuck with a cameraphone. You can easily tell the difference between a pro shot and an amateur one, and that won't change no matter how many cameraphones there are in the world.

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    1. Re:I'm sorry by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      A photojournalist will have a far better idea of what he's doing than some schmuck with a cameraphone.

      There's no doubting that; but the idea is, if you throw an infinite number of rocks at an infinite number of monkeys, eventually you'll hit Einstein on the head.

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    2. Re:I'm sorry by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      How great of a picture can a professional photojournalist take of an event he's not there to cover? Would it be better or worse than the picture the amatuer IS there to capture?

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  10. Footballs are now cheap - No need for pro athletes by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mmm...

    1 billion poorly lit, poorly framed, grainy images from cameras where people believed mega pixels === quality.

    How did we ever live with slightly less timely clear images that were composed well?!

    Besides, it's challenging enough to get alleged photo professionals whose careers depend on it not to add smoke to Lebanese buildings. How much is your reputation as a news agency going to be worth after your fiftieth photoshopping scandal because no on has a career to put in jeopardy but their odds of selling the single shot go up massively if it's more impressive?

    Sure, some of the less valid photographers will face competition and things may get a little tighter for the great ones - but there'll always be a need for reliable quality backed by a scandal proof reputation.

  11. Internet Enabling Amateurs by mandelbr0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think that journalism is the only profession that has been radically changed by the introduction of the Internet as a distribution medium. The same argument about distribution being within the reach of the unwashed masses still applies to pretty much anything that involves distributing some kind of content to an end-user. We were worried about indie artists obsoleting the Big Music Industry, amateur filmmakers taking money away from Hollywood, traditional news sources becoming obsolete, FOSS obsoleting commercial software development. And yet, none of this has happened.

    To some degree, the work of amateurs has been more widely viewed and accepted due to things like blogging, YouTube, online photo galleries and more. And FOSS is a serious competitor for all kinds of business applications. In the end, however, there's a few things that keep the pros in business, and likely will continue to do so. Professional content creators (just to keep things generic) have experience, reputation and capital. Most amateurs are lacking in at least one of those areas. In the rare and brilliant case where an amateur lacks none of the above, they remain an amateur because they've chosen to commit the bulk of their time to some other profession.

    Only when experience, reputation and capital have nothing to do with successfully creating unique and interesting content do I see the pro's job in danger. The Internet has enabled more amateurs by reducing the capital required to enter the market, allowing for one to gain reputation in a myriad of online communities, and experience by contributing freely and easily to the public domain. All of this free content is simply competition for the pros, who are pros (presumably) because they are one of the best. Conclusion: The Internet does enable amateur content creators to succeed, but the pros will continue to succeed by improving the quality of their work.

    mandelbr0t

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  12. Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good news photogs are still going to get the shots they've always been there for. They also get access to places and events that other people don't get access to. Being part of the press corps does give you that chance to capture Gerald Ford tripping down the stairs, or Bill Clinton ginning up some Oscar-worthy tears, etc. But to the extent that a lot people are more interested in stuff that happens to normal people, even cheesy low-res MPGs are more relevent because they exist.

    The other thing, here, is the presence of more enthusiasts' cameras in and around events/scenes that would normally never rate the presence of a professional. Not the county fair, etc., but oddball sports/leagues, minor-league political events, that sort of thing. I've found that some of my own special-interest events (outdoorsy stuff among the bird dog crowd) has been bone dry of any media coverage that doesn't come from within. Um, except when the vice president accidentally peppers a lawyer while quail hunting - then all the sudden everyone wants images from that world... for exactly a week, anyway.

    But when I shoot stuff at an event, there can be twenty other people there with their cell-phone-cams, and it's the nerd with the heavy duty DSLR that produces the images people actually want. Most folks simply won't carry around enough glass to produce the sort of images that a pro or an insane amateur can produce, since it's just too inconvenient. Doesn't matter how many pixels a cell phone's sensor can pack in - the laws of physics are still in the way of those tiny lenses producing really good workable images, especially of active subjects in mediocre light.

    I've also found that carrying a macho camera and strobes gets you in places. It's sort of like all of those times that I used a mic cable and got around college bar cover charges saying, "I'm with the band."

    But the sheer number of images produced by all of those portables (say, the stuff from the Madrid train bombings) will certainly result in lots of web/broadcast coverage that an assigned pro would never produce. But what a professional (with his/her practiced eye, journalistic sensibilities, better gear, and credentialed access) can produce will never be replaced by the ubiquitous phone-cam. These things are complimentary, not mutually exclusive. But look at how the Michael Richards video clip circulated... that stuff will certainly eclipse other material's airtime when it's compelling enough.

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    1. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by MBCook · · Score: 1

      Your average person knows NOTHING about a camera. Look at people at the next event you go to. At my college graduation a few months ago there were a couple of kind of people. One was the "pros" who had DSLRs and such and maybe got decent pictures (it was rather dark in the hall). Next was the prosumers who got OK pictures. After that was the point & shooters who got terrible pictures (both due to camera reasons and holding the camera at arm's length). Last was the people trying to use cell phones as cameras (again, at arms length).

      Talk to people. It's amazing how little they know about cameras or how to take a decent picture.

      The only reason we'll see more and more pictures from camera phones etc. are people being in the right place at the right time, and the 2000 monkeys effect where with that many camera-phones, at least one person has a chance of getting a decent/good shot.

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    2. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Your average person knows NOTHING about a camera."

      Your average person knows nothing about your average subject. I don't really understand the significance, or the ire, of your post. Do they somehow hurt you because they don't know as much about their camera as you do?

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    3. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was actually surprised by the level of relationship most people have with cameras once I started paying attention. Even most of my friends, who aren't technically challenged, seem to have little understanding of the cameras or principles of photography. I don't consider myself a very good photographer and don't even use a DSLR, but this seems like basic stuff.

      For example, one guy was using the built-in flash on an object waaay beyond the range, and then was surprised that the photo was waaay underexposed. Another one was trying to take a picture of the night city through the window, again with the flash. Yet another tried to convince me that pre-focusing on the spot I expected the subject to appear would result in more lag and blur, even though the camera obviously didn't have enough time to properly autofocus.

    4. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I think with the wide availability of low-cost digital still cameras, MiniDV camcorders, and built-in cameras on cellphones, people in public will have to be FAR more careful of what they say or do. It has, essentially, turned the average citizen into papparazis.

      Why do you think Michael Richards got into such trouble over that racist and obscene language routine at the Laugh Factory in Los Angeles a few weeks ago? It was because someone with (probably) a cellphone with a built-in camera that records video and audio captured the whole fiasco.

    5. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by MBCook · · Score: 1

      Photography is a hobby of mine, and everything I know about cameras I've learned from books and experimentation. Sorry that my post came across are ire, it was really meant as to statement to get across disbelief. The more I learned about cameras, the more I realized how BAD people are at using them. This was one thing with "normal" film cameras, but digital cameras seem to have taken things to a new level. The ability to see what you are about to shoot on a screen instead of a viewfinder mesmerizes people. They don't use the viewfinder any more, they use the screen. And of course they hold the camera at arm's length (thereby introducing maximum camera shake) so that they can see the screen easily.

      The screen on digital cameras is meant for reviewing or sharing pictures, but people seem to use them for composing far more. I've told people this (and given them the suggestion that they'll get better pictures with the viewfinder because of reduced camera shake and steadying introduced by holding the camera to your hear) to be argued with or doubted. I've even had someone tell me that DSLRs basically have a design flaw in that they are a digital camera where you can't see the picture you're about to take on the LCD screen.

      As weird as it seems to me, THE reason to own a digital camera seems to be so you can take a picture by looking at an LCD screen. Other than that there is the "no film" thing, but the LCD screen seems to be what matters.

      This stuff just amazes me. No one ever seems to be taught to use a camera, a problem that digital cameras exacerbate for various reasons.

      People really don't seem to realize the difference between camera quality either. If they did, you wouldn't see people using cellphone cameras for any important event like a graduation or something. But a digital camera is a digital camera, it would seem. Other than that most people seem to think that the general rule of technology applies: smaller means better. The exception to this is big DSLRs, but the $1000+ price tag would tell you that any way.

      As for the camera-phones, most take terrible pictures. But my monkey comment was meant to refer to the famous 1,000,000 monkeys writing Shakespeare idea. The more people photograph something, the higher the chances someone will get a good photo no matter how bad the conditions. Just the law of averages.

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    6. Re:Not "demise." More like "eclipsed." by Moofie · · Score: 1

      " The more I learned about cameras, the more I realized how BAD people are at using them."

      This is true for just about every field of human endeavor. The more you know, you know more than more people. This should not be a surprise.

      I don't understand the utility of camera phones either, but if that's what works for people, it's no skin off my nose.

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  13. Not True by p0ss · · Score: 1

    The best news story are not allways the newest. The best story is the one that have been there all along but which no one has covered, it is the story that requires investigation. This is true for journalism and photojournalism.
    The best story takes time, and editting. the best video sequence takes time and editing. It takes skill to frame the shot, to know the light, to capture a moment in ultra realism. If all the video bloggers leave journalists free, and indeed forced to focus on high quality reporting, then that can only be a good thing.

    while it may be true that the prevelance of portable recording devices gives a higher probability of first images being recorded by ametuers, It doesn't change the true art of journalism.
    or to put it in a way /.'ers will relate to:
    Evey joe sixpack can make a myspace, only true designers can make sites

  14. F***ing Verizon ... by wsanders · · Score: 1

    .... disabled that feature in the E815 I have. Or maybe it was only availabe in the "Middle East" version.

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  15. Move along, nothing to see here by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This article is retarded. I am a professional photographer, although not a photojournalist (while my wife is).

    Go pick up a copy of your local newspaper. Or the USA Today. Look at the images that accompany the stories. Now see how many of them are "news as it happens" images, besides planned events like sports or political functions. Very, very few. Pictures of traumatic events, captured as they happen, make up about 1% of a professional photojournalist does. Most of it is either:

    • Feature stories photography. These are either portraits of people being profiled in articles, or images that illustrate a story. The paper hires a photographer ahead of time and arranges the photo shoot. There is not a job an amateur with a camera phone is going to do well.
    • Sports photography. High school sports, college sports, whatever. This is a field for which your greatest assets are connections to get you on the field, a strong knowledge of the sport, and, oh, yeah, a $4,000+ high fps camera body and a $3,000 - $7,000 400mm or 600mm f2.8 lens so you can crank your shutter speed up high enough to freeze action, and open your aperture wide enough to blow out the distractions in the background. Not a job for an amateur with a camera phone.
    • News coverage of planned events. Political rallies, parades, community events, etc etc. An experience professional with a good eye and professional equipment is going to do a much better job than, again, a schlep with a camera phone.

    These are the things photojournalists actually do, none of which are going to be replaced by random amateurs with point and shoot cameras. So, according to the author, photojournalists are going to be put out of a job by people doing something that photojournalists don't actually do. What's next? Are vending machines going to put gourmet chefs out of business? They're everywhere, and get you fed for a lot less!
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    1. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Pictures of traumatic events, captured as they happen, make up about 1% of a professional photojournalist does.
      Yup, that's a nice succinct statement of the problem solved by camphones.
    2. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      You make good points...
      I will add that for some stories--mostly celeb fluff, or so I hope (I read more than my share)--AP and Reuters use stock photos that are years old, even when the story itself is current.
      [sigh]

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    3. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by AEton · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll bite: where do you get a 600mm f/2.8?

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    4. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Fine, 400mm 2.8 or 600m 4.0. I do very little in the way of sports photography.

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    5. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by fm6 · · Score: 1
      Are vending machines going to put gourmet chefs out of business? They're everywhere, and get you fed for a lot less!

      That's an interesting example. You're certainly correct in thinking that a 4-star restaurant doesn't fear competition from vending machines. On the other hand, technology has put a whole segment of food vendors out of business. If you were low or moderate income, you used to rely on delis, diners, street vendors, grocers, butchers, produce stands, and a lot of other such small businesses, mostly locally owned and often family operated. Such businesses are still around, but they've lost most of their market to businesses that sell food that is packaged and/or mass-produced: supermarkets, fast food outlets, and, yes, vending machines.

      Gourmet restaurants are still around (they're probably bigger than ever) because there's a market for a high-end meals at a premium price. By the token, amateur journalists, with their camera phones, blogs, and YouTube accounts, will never completely replace newspapers, magazines, and broadcast news, and Wikipedia will never put Britannica out of business. There will always be a huge market segment that will pay extra for a quality product. But the fact remains, the low-end vendors do have a huge effect on the marketplace. Not as huge as hype artists like the author of the TFA claim, but huge nonetheless.

    6. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      The article you linked said absolutely nothing about small businesses being shut down by competition from vending machines. What was the point of that?

      My point stands. The unwashed masses with their camera phones fill a completely different niche than professional photojournalists. Hordes of random people with camera phones will have a better shot at capturing random news events, like terrorism or sudden natural disasters. but that's not what photojournalists do or ever have done. Photojournalists primarily photograph planned news events. Sports. Political rallies. Wars. Parades and agricultural fairs and city commission meetings. These are not the things a bystander with a cell phone camera is going to capture better than the pro.

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    7. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by swillden · · Score: 1

      How about a 1700mm f/4 lens? I understand that Zeiss threw in a Jeep to mount it on as part of the accessory pack.

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    8. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      http://www.mellesgriot.com/

      some assembly required.

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    9. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by AEton · · Score: 1

      To be fair, though, that's 1700mm for medium format.

      One of my favorites is still the Nikon 1200-1700mm f/5.6-f/8.

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    10. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a pro and the thing that I see now and then is someone who can spend the $$$ for good equipment but has no idea about composition or metering. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean that you'll consistently produce good images.

    11. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by fm6 · · Score: 1

      You're the one the brought vending machines into the discussion. You claimed that random folks with camera phones don't compete with photojournalists for the same reason vending machines don't compete with gourmet restaurants. My point was that this analogy is too selective and therefore flawed: it makes more sense to compare how vending machines, and other mass-market food vendors, compete with all food vendors.

      By the same token, random bystanders with camera phones do indeed have an impact on the photojournalism and telejournalism marketplace. Bloggers and other websites use their output, and sometimes they even sell their work to mainstream media. You're correct in pointing out that amateurs can never replace professionals for most serious work, but they do play a role.

      This has actually been going on for a long time. Nobody ever would have heard of Rodney King if there hadn't been a bystander with a camcorder. Or consider the assassination of JFK: there were hundreds of professionals in the vicinity, but a amateur with an 8mm toy happened to be the only one to catch the actual shooting. As more and more folks walk around with cameras in their pockets, that kind of happenstance will become more and more common.

      You basic point does indeed stand: there's a lot more to being a photojournalist than being on the scene and having a camera. But that element of blind luck is not insignificant.

    12. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That's certainly true. But we're talking about instances in which cell phone cameras can compete with a pro photojournalist, and one area where this absolutely cannot happen BECAUSE of the gear is sports. In most areas of photography, good equipment will make your images sharper, or have better color, less noise, more dynamic range, etc, but you can still create good images with crappy equipment if you have talent. In sports, this is absolutely not the case. You HAVE to have expensive equipment to be able to reach out all the way across the field and freeze time to get that great shot. You have to have long, fast lenses and fast focusing, high framerate cameras, which are all expensive. Sports photography is the most gear-dependent form of mainstream photography.

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  16. We'll pay the price in entropy by xPsi · · Score: 1

    Statistically generated photojournalism can be intriguing on a large scale. Who would have imagined, even 15 years ago, having a spontaneous tragedy, like the first plane hitting the North Tower, filmed by chance? An average joe capturing something random like the Kennedy Assassination or even Rodney King beating, back in the 60s and even 90s, was mind-blowing. Although the technology was different, between 1960 and 1991, the probability someone happened to have a camera in hand to record an event was probably about equal -- and it wasn't particularly high. Now, cameras of every sort are so ubiquitous and the processing is instantaneous, if events are NOT captured at random by someone (and not on YouTube in hours from different angles) it is somewhat surprising. You mean NO ONE had the presence of mind to film tragic/important event X and share it with us?! With 9/11, even before seeing the footage of the first plane, I assumed that someone probably caught it on video. Obviously the price to pay for this is in the currency of entropy. You get a lot of interesting stuff at random, but there is mostly crap. The theory of large number will continue to work. I'm guessing, we'll end up celebrating banality and mediocrity more frequently, but we'll also get a finite number of macabre or surreal 6 to 15 sigma events recorded too, which will ultimately drive people-based, rather than profession-based, photojournalism.

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  17. With rates they pay pro pj these days... by wumpus188 · · Score: 1

    I prefere to be an amateur and program for a living.

  18. Not in a war zone by rHBa · · Score: 1

    I can see footage from members of the public, who were in the right place at the right time, being used by the news networks more and more until they can get their own people in place but in a war zone, Boznia in the nineties for example, I can't imagine many non-professionals hanging around with their mobile phones hoping to make a quick buck.

    If a similar situation arose today (even with today's technology and proliferation of mobile communication) the average resident of a war zone would not be able to travel as freely as an accredited, international journalist. Mobile phone networks are unlikely to be operational in those circumstances anyway.

  19. Yep, another demise for us..... by AntonDevious · · Score: 1

    I've been both a computer geek and photojournalist for over 25 years and the profession of photojournalist has been on the demise the whole time and guess what, we are still going strong. What does suck though is that the media buyer is actively looking for people they can get to do lowball work for them. But this isn't nothing news. An ad agency called me about a stock photo, but wanted to reshoot with a different twist and they were very interested when they thought I was a "dad with a camera" that they could get for $50. When I mentioned creative fee's they bolted. Ironically, they were billing their client full cost on the photography and pocketing the difference. So the lowball phenomena isn't new. At the end of the day, the top professionals will still command top dollar. The wannabe's will sell for cheap and those who don't understand the business will give away their art for "The thrill" of being published. In the end, us middle of the road shooters have to work harder to secure the good jobs.

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  20. home depot exists, so do carpenters by ribond · · Score: 3, Insightful
    the ubiquity of the technology does not in any way detract from the usefulness/worth of professional people to run it.



    Visual Studio express free downloads from MS has not resulted in management writing their own code
    Hammers & paint @ home depot has not caused massive layoffs of contractors
    Everyone has a pocketknife but surgeons are still employed.
    Many many crappy cameras in the wild does not mean that people will start liking crappy pictures



    I like nice pictures. Blogging hasn't (yet) killed journalism/professional writing. I expect photogs will survive.

    1. Re:home depot exists, so do carpenters by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 1

      Hammers & paint @ home depot has not caused massive layoffs of contractors

      Hold on a second!

      I've spoken to many professional carpenters, and they have told me the day laborers have in fact cut the demand for those who have have done this as a lifetime trade. Most people, including well-to-do contractors, just want results and will hire day laborers because they have some experience whacking a hammer or stroking a paint brush. As one contractor told me, "a day laborer will make a wall smooth with dry wall, but a contractor will make a wall perfectly flat with dry wall."

      Don't believe me? Look at all the people who get picked up for work in front of many Home Depots here in many corners of America.

  21. The luck factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some photographers are famous and produce pictures that form the rememberance of our times or even lead to change by altering public opinion. I can think of three pictures that went a long way to souring the public on our wars in Viet Nam and Cambodia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings "John Filo's Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Mary Ann Vecchio, a fourteen year-old runaway, kneeling over the dead or dying body of Jeffrey Miller, shot in the mouth by an unknown Ohio National Guardsman."

    http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0410/faas.ht ml "The 12 or 14 negatives on that single roll of film, culminating in the moment of death for a Viet Cong, propelled Eddie Adams into lifelong fame. The photo of the execution at the hands of Vietnam's police chief, Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan, at noon on Feb. 1, 1968 has reached beyond the history of the Indochina War - it stands today for the brutality of our last century."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_ Ph%C3%BAc ". Associated Press photographer Nick Út earned a Pulitzer Prize for the photograph."

    As far as I know, these photographs were the high point of otherwise unremarkable careers. By luck, the photographer was in the right place at the right time.

    On the other hand, through skill, there were photographers who always managed to be in the right place at the right time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Eisenstaedt There will always be jobs for photographers like him no matter how many cell phone cameras there are.

    1. Re:The luck factor by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      I have a pretty low opinion of photojournalists and find the 'luck factor' explanation compelling. Those without luck do such things as fake scenes like how photojournalists creatively moved stuffed animals near bombed out buildings in beriut or were knowingly manipulated by hezbollah PR people just to get that one shot that would make their careers. Its a field full of unethical people doing something closer to art and fabrication than reporting. If they go the way of the dodo, well, it wont be surprising and it will probably be for the best.

    2. Re:The luck factor by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Wow. A couple of examples of unethical behaviour and you condemn an entire industry? I doubt there are any more unethical photojournalists than there are in any other field.

    3. Re:The luck factor by tim_uk · · Score: 1

      It's just as well that none of us lucky smudgers could give a flying fuck about your opinion then. Moron.

  22. more missed than captured by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    Within the comments on Gilmore's blog posting, many people are already pointing out that citizen journalism is not dependable. Sure, we capture some moments to terrific effect (JFK assassination), but news isn't all big events surrounded by crowds. The majority of photos published in newspapers or video footage broadcast on televised news programs are of stale topics like meetings or portraits of people involved in the news. If news agencies were to dismiss their photography staff, they'd find themselves struggling before deadline every day hoping some yokel will post a photo of the mayor speaking at the city council meeting or the police chief speaking at a press conference. News agencies have a staff that are assigned to cover these things and therefore the content can be published in a reliable and timely manner.

    Seth

  23. New career paths opening.... by jemenake · · Score: 1
    Dan Gillmor has a piece up on his Center for Citizen Media blog about the coming decline in the venerable professions of photojournalism and videography...
    But the good news is, there's expected to be a huge increase in the professions in the editing room, including: image stabilization, contrast color adjustment, sound retouching (to remove all of the "Holy crap, dude, check out this plane that's on fire. Swwweeeeeeet!!!! I'm getting it all with my camera!").

    Part of why the pros are pros is not because they have the fancy equipment... it's also because the know how to zoom without making the viewer puke, how to get angles with good lighting, and how to move the camera without jerking the camera too much. All that goes out the window when you've got some drunk dude with a RAZR capturing a street brawl in a dark alley.
  24. Parallel to graphic design by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take a look at graphic design. I think it's a pretty good parallel to what's happening in photography (my SO is a graphic designer, so I have some insight into this).

    There used to be a lot of graphic designers and it used to be that a lot of them made it their bread-and-butter business to do restaurant menus, business cards, leaflets - any kind of small scale, frequently revised job like that. It wasn't glamorous, but it paid the bills between the big jobs.

    Then DTP happened. And when people could start churning out the simple stuff on their own, that marked gradually dried up. The truth is, while a menu for a neighbourhood joint designed and set by the owner and cranked out on a badly trimmed Kinko's machine is clearly inferior to what a professional will do, it is good enough. The price premium a professional will charge (and has to, to stay in business) just isn't worth it, no matter how much better the results.

    For a lot of graphic design like that, the cost of entry - and the baseline quality you get - for interested amateurs is compelling enough that there is no price point at which you can make a living churning out the stuff anymore. The market for "pro" work has shrunk substantially even as the total amount of work has increased. The high-end jobs are still there, naturally, but those were a pretty small proportion of the whole job market.

    I suspect it is the case with stock photography and some news and feature photography as well. There's enough people doing decent enough work and selling it through cheap stock agencies - or licensing it completely for free, just for bragging rights - that the bottom will fall out of those markets as well. Just as for graphic design, the high-end stuff will still be there of course - and is arguably even more important than before - but not that many people will be able to make a living on doing it. The top, the cream of the crop, will be just fine. The journeyman base, however, will probably not be very large anymore.

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    1. Re:Parallel to graphic design by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, the stock photography market is completely in the toilet. Getty made sure of that. You can't make much a living when the web-based stock clearing houses charge $1 for an image, regardless of use, and pay the photographer $0.15. You better hope your image gets bought A LOT.

      In terms of professional photography in general (wedding, portrait, commercial), the whole industry is in a very strange place right now in the aftermath of the digital revolution. Digital has given the illusion that photography is now easier, so everybody who ever thought, "Hey, I like taking pictures...I could be a photographer!" has set up a website. True, it's easier to learn the fundamentals of photography now, since you don't have to pay for film or wait for developing, but in fact getting a quality image from a digital camera is much harder than film! The exposure latitude of digital is much smaller than that of film. With film you could be off by 2 stops either way and the lab would fix it perfectly. With digital you get a half a stop under and a third a stop over. After that it's never the same. Color is another big issue. Professional processing labs would adjust your images depending on the color of the light under which they were exposed, and their experts knew what they were doing. Now people are doing their own color, and, simply put, not everybody has an eye for it. Before, even a crappy photographer could deliver an image that was at least well exposed and color-correct, just because the lab did those last two parts for them. Today, not so much.

      On the flip side, the quality of high-end professional photography is MUCH better today that it ever has been before. Digital gave creative and talented professionals a whole new set of tools, and the results have been amazing. The result is that the quality of good photography has gotten better. Bad photography has gotten worse, and now there's much, much more of it.

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    2. Re:Parallel to graphic design by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Color is another big issue. Professional processing labs would adjust your images depending on the color of the light under which they were exposed, and their experts knew what they were doing. Now people are doing their own color, and, simply put, not everybody has an eye for it. Before, even a crappy photographer could deliver an image that was at least well exposed and color-correct, just because the lab did those last two parts for them. Today, not so much.

      Naturally, under the assumption that people are printing, and that they're printing at home. When I have wanted to print (both times), I never even briefly considered printing myself. I just went down to a photoprinter and had them print it, getting the same service as the film photographer does. And it really isn't expensive; especially if you're not printing a lot it probably costs far more per print to buy and keep a good color inkjet stocked with inks, paper and so on.

      And more and more, of course, images are never printed. They're used in their digital form from start to finish.

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    3. Re:Parallel to graphic design by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      You're right that people are printing fewer and fewer images these days. However, that wasn't my point.

      I was talking about products delivered by a "professional," whether printed or in digital format. In order to be color-correct, images have to be modified. Every light source has a different color temperature, and images look different depending on the color of the light source. Daylight is blue, tungsten light is orange, flourescent light is green. This is very important for skin tones. Images taken under flourescent light makes people look green, and nobody looks good like that.

      There's a pretty good chance the skin tones in the images you've printed are quite off, but you probably just don't notice. Color is a tricky subject. Some people just see it naturally, and others have to train themselves. It's especially hard for men. I think men go through life with the eight-color box of crayons, and women have the 64-color box. Women call things "Eggplant" and "Lavender." Men just say "purple."

      Regardless, the point is that images printed today are far less likely to have good color and exposure than they were in the past. Maybe this will help clear up my point:

      In the days of film, either:

      A) Pro captures image on professional grade films. Pro mails film to professional color lab (like Miller's, Reedy Photoprocess, Buckeye, etc). Experienced and color-trained processor develops and prints images, making sure they are color and exposure correct.
      B) Consumer snaps picture on general-purpose film. Consumer takes film to drug store. Drug store does a batch color and exposure correction on images and prints them.

      Today, with digital, either:

      A) Quality professional captures digital images in RAW format. Pro uses a color-calibrated monitor and RAW processing software to correct images for color and density to provide good skin tones. Pro FTPs images to a professional color lab (like Miller's, Reedy Photoprocess, Buckeye, etc) where the images are printed on well-maintained and frequently calibrated digital printers.
      B) Far more common hack captures images in JPEG format. Hack doesn't either doesn't notice his images are underexposed and green, or tries to fix them with color balance and curves operations in Photoshop. Hack prints at Wal-mart, on unprofiled printers operated by $6/hour teenagers.
      C) Consumer snaps digital picture. Consumer prints on un-profiled home inkjet printer.

      Do the understand the difference? In the past, pros had their images professionally color processed. Even amateurs could at least get a batch process at the drug store. Today, consumers are getting NO color processing on their images, and the "professional" market is flooded with inexperienced and untrained newcomers, who don't even know their color and exposures are bad, because they never saw how good film was! It's definitely possible to get great color today. With digital, you can get better colors than you ever could with film, but it's much more difficult.

      That was the point of my post. People think digital is easier, but it's not. Good digital images are better than good film images. Average digital images are worse than average film images. Bad digital images are much worse than bad film images. Good digital images are much harder to produce than good film images.

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    4. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      The exposure latitude of digital is much smaller than that of film.

      I'm not sure what you mean by exposure latitude. If you're referring to the amount by which your exposure can be off and still get something of a decent photo, then you're right. If you're referring to the amount of dynamic range that can be captured, then that isn't true, at least not for most films.

      Digital sensors handle a slightly wider dynamic range than most film. That said, film *is* more forgiving. If you graph the dynamic response of film, you get a sort of a flattened S curve; it's linear in the center but at the high and low ends it tails off in gentle curves. Digital, on the other hand is pretty much perfectly linear from bottom to top and if your image contains sections outside that range they just get clipped to pure black or pure white.

      In case that's not clear, let me explain it this way: given perfectly-exposed digital and film images of the same wide dynamic-range scene, the digital camera will capture more detail in both the highlights and the shadows. Overexpose (or underexpose) both images, however, and the film will still retain something in the highlights (or shadows) where the digital image will have nothing at all. Note that this assumes that you're getting the most from the digital image, which means shooting RAW. If you're shooting JPEG, it's up to your camera to decide how to compress that wide dynamic range into eight bits per channel, and they often don't make the right decisions.

      As for color, you can still have the professionals do color correction when you print digital. Wal-mart won't do it, but if you use a good lab they will. If you use a really good lab, they'll give you the option of doing the color yourself and applying their equipment's ICC profile, or allowing their experts to manage your color. Doing it yourself not only requires having a good eye for it, it also requires a good, calibrated display. No matter how good your eye, if your monitor isn't adjusted correctly, your prints won't look right.

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    5. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      When I have wanted to print (both times), I never even briefly considered printing myself. I just went down to a photoprinter and had them print it, getting the same service as the film photographer does.

      One comment about this: If you want the highest possible quality, especially for photos with wide dynamic range, you can get better images by printing yourself. Why? Because to take your photo to the lab you have to convert it into 24-bit color, usually a JPEG. Good inkjets, like Epson's, can handle both more dynamic range and a wider color gamut than can be expressed in 24-bit color, so by shooting in RAW mode, being very careful in post processing and printing on an inkjet at home you can retain more detail and better color than the lab is going to give you.

      Actually achieving that, of course, is non-trivial. Achieving it consistently is beyond the reach of mere mortals.

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    6. Re:Parallel to graphic design by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I was talking about "latitude" as in "forgiveness." That makes it easier to get an acceptable image from film than from digital.

      And yes, you can still have a pro lab color correct your files. You can even pay people to process your RAW images. My point was about the glut of new "professional" photographers who don't understand these issues, don't understand color, and don't even have an eye for it, but like taking pictures, so they've put up a website and started calling themselves professional photographers. They're doing their own color, poorly, because it's cheaper.

      Color is not easy. My wife is one of those people who just sees it naturally. It took me years of experience to get as good as she is. For the record, I am a full-time professional photographer.

      By the way, you have some beautiful images on your website. I especially like your landscapes.

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    7. Re:Parallel to graphic design by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Very true. Since I moved from film to shooting digital I found I had to invest in colour calibration hardware. Some of the translucent highlights in OS X aren't actually blue, they're sort of a light periwinkle!

    8. Re:Parallel to graphic design by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Unless you take it to a GOOD lab, that accepts (and processes) 48-bit TIFF.

    9. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      Any recommendations?

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    10. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was talking about "latitude" as in "forgiveness." That makes it easier to get an acceptable image from film than from digital.

      Agreed.

      My point was about the glut of new "professional" photographers who don't understand these issues, don't understand color, and don't even have an eye for it, but like taking pictures, so they've put up a website and started calling themselves professional photographers. They're doing their own color, poorly, because it's cheaper.

      Also agreed. I'm among them, actually, but (a) I don't call myself a pro, and (b), I *know* what I don't know, and I want to do it myself so that I can learn. The way I know that I'm learning is that I look at my pictures from a few months ago and think "what crap! Those skin tones are all wrong." I fully expect to say the same of today's photos six months from now.

      By the way, you have some beautiful images on your website. I especially like your landscapes.

      Thank you very much. I'm quite proud of those -- although I think it's a good sign that every month or two I see new flaws in them. The great thing about photography as a hobby is that I expect to be learning for many years to come.

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    11. Re:Parallel to graphic design by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There are two professional-oriented camera stores in my city that will take TIFF. They're both local though, which would mean quite the commute for you. But try checking out the larger photo shops, quite a few have extended or replaced their film processing with digital and even if they normally churn out JPEGs they might be willing to take TIFFs from a talented local.

      Let me second the compliment on the photos posted on your web page.

    12. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      There are two professional-oriented camera stores in my city that will take TIFF. They're both local though, which would mean quite the commute for you.

      It seems like there ought to be some on-line photo labs that accept 48-bit. I print most of my photos at Adorama (www.adoramapix.com) and while they do a very nice job and have good prices, they only accept 24-bit images. They'll take TIFFs, but only eight bits per channel. I've poked around a bit on-line looking for a place that will accept the higher color depths, but without success.

      Let me second the compliment on the photos posted on your web page.

      Thank you.

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    13. Re:Parallel to graphic design by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they want to keep their traffic down... a 48-bit uncompressed (or even LZW or ZIP) is a LOT bigger than a JPEG. If just the people who needed it used 48-bit they'd be okay, but I'm sure they'd end up with a significant portion of their clientele sending them massive TIFF files.

      I was surprised when I had to go searching for a place that would take 48-bit too.

    14. Re:Parallel to graphic design by swillden · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they want to keep their traffic down... a 48-bit uncompressed (or even LZW or ZIP) is a LOT bigger than a JPEG.

      The best solution to that problem would be to use JPEG2000. It provides more image compression at the same (or better) quality as JPEG, and it can handle up to 16 bits per channel, and can even use other colorspaces. CYMK at 16 bits per channel gives you 64bpp, and a color gamut that more closely matches the printer. Of course 48bpp JPEG2000 images will still be larger than 24bpp JPEG images, but not that much larger. I just did a test on one image, with the following results:

      • Uncompressed 48bpp TIFF: 56 MB
      • LZW-compressed 48bpp TIFF: 20 MB
      • 48bpp JP2: 2.0 MB
      • 24bpp JPEG: 1.7 MB

      Both the JP2 and JPEG were compressed "lossily" but at high quality (no visible compression artifacts).

      Until I find some place that will do it, though, I'll keep printing high dynamic range images at home. Don't underestimate the quality that a $300, six-color Epson inkjet is capable of. Other than being unable to produce large prints, it will match or beat professional lab equipment when used correctly. The "used correctly" part is the kicker, of course -- I use a lot of paper and ink getting the printout right.

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    15. Re:Parallel to graphic design by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I do miss the $20,000 HP DesignJet I had access to for a few years. I have a 36" print on my wall I printed with it. As you said, it took a bit of paper and ink to get the colours even close though (shh, don't tell). I suspect a modern ink jet can do just as well. 42" wide by however long you want opens up certain possibilities though.

  25. Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, exactly. Any idiot cannot take these pictures with a phone camera.

    http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm_intro.ht ml

  26. Didn't we try that? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Right. And alt.writing.fiction.mysteries is going to put Stephen King out of business any day now.

    There's a reason why professional photojournalists get paid for what they do, and it's not just because they have cameras. The only people who are going to feel threatened by a bunch of untrained people with cameraphones are the hacks.

    It's like feeling threatened as a programmer because any kid can grab a copy of emacs and gcc and write the next Oracle. Just because anyone can, doesn't mean that training and talent aren't the most important parts of the equation.

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    1. Re:Didn't we try that? by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure anyone's going to feel threatened ... or, if they do, I don't really see why they should.

      I agree with you, only the hacks would be out-of-luck with this arrangement. The photojournalists who can take a photo that tells a story will still be in good shape and will still have plenty of hard news to cover. There's so much demand for news, no number of professional photojournalists can keep up with it anyway.

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  27. Citizen journalism is only a contributing factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    the real danger to photojournalism is the cost pressures on news providers. The fact is that the profession has already changed markedly in the last 20 years. Digital's first effect is to make the talented (but foolish) art college grad that little bit better. For Photojournalism that has already been enough to persuade media outlets to cut experienced staff and only hire new, fresh meat. And then 3-4 years later, they go through the same cycle again.

    Sure, feature photography survives, but the profession is losing the structure which allows talent to really develop. Further, there are less feature photogs than there used to be and as HD video improves, there will soon be even less.

    This is, of course, progress. But it is still a bit sad and the leveling down of a communication form is worth mourning at least a little.

    Oh and if this is happening in every sector, the economy is going to have to grow a lot faster to soak up all these people... to be honest I'm not sure we've begun to come to terms with that yet.

  28. Sarcasm by simpl3x · · Score: 1

    I wasn't quite sure where "legislation" came from, as I didn't RTFA...

    But, Sebastiao Salgado is about all I need say.

  29. Dying breed by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    Journalist in general are already being replaced by pretty people. Look at Sixty Minutes. Five years ago the average age of a reporter there was nearly sixty and male. Now it's under fifty and female. In the old days reporters researched and wrote their own stories. Now they read copy. Old fashion journalist will largely be extinct by the end of the decade. There are a few younger ones taking up the mantle like Anderson Cooper but even he's aging. Journalist are being traded for "Personalities". It's a very sad day for the Republic.

  30. Are you looking at this wrong?.. nope, you aren't by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1
    1 billion poorly lit, poorly framed, grainy images from cameras

    Maybe if we assemble these correctly we can see the image of a news scene from a fly's composite eye view... hmmmmm... nope, never mind, they still look like shit.

    When I think of photojournalism, I think of the person who can not only take a picture of some news scene, but who can frame it in a way to put a human context on what has/is happening to convey more information than what is just in the picture.

    Don't believe me? Go look at the Pulitzer web site and see. You can look at prize winners from 1995 to present on line. The pictures speak for themselves.

    News isn't news because it happens. A lot of things happen. For example, the fact a tree falls over in the forest (I don't give a shit if you can hear it or not) is not news *unless* maybe (a purely hypothetical 'maybe' not a Reuters maybe) it was the last tree in existence that contained some microspore that will cure cancer... but the spore can only grow in living trees and now it will be lost forever... or something else that ties it to people somehow. More specifically a good photojournalist will either show how the photo ties the story to you or me, or how it makes you or me feel tied to the story. (Notice the word 'feel'.) Some dweeb taking a picture of the tree on its side with his/her cell phone is not likely to do be able to do that unless they really have some underlying talent already.

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  31. NOT! by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is like saying that the availability of the Internet is going to destroy all fine literature. Professional, high-quality work is always in demand. Consumers will just have more choice and photojournalists will have to differentiate themselves with higher quality.

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    1. Re:NOT! by SQL+Error · · Score: 1

      Right. It's just the bad photojournalists - that is, 90% of them* - who will be out of a job.

      * Sturgeon's Law.

    2. Re:NOT! by wealthychef · · Score: 1
      Right. It's just the bad photojournalists - that is, 90% of them* - who will be out of a job.

      I know you were being sarcastic, but if 90% (or whatever percent) of current photojournalists can't compete favorably against a kid with a cell phone, I say they really ought to get out of their business anyhow. If you don't provide real value by your efforts, then society should not encourage you to keep doing them.

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  32. I'm not buying it... by KoshClassic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ubiquitous cell phone cams does not equal the demise of the professional photojournalism.

    Yes, a lot of photos are taken by people with cell phones when there is no photojournalist in site. Before cellphone cams became wide spread, those events simply wouldn't have been photographed. So cell phone cams are not exactly invading a marketspace traditionally dominated by professional photojournalists - they are invading a marketspace that has traditionally been vacant - thus I claim photojournalists are not competing with cell cam users.

    Photojournalists are out there, right now, shooting the same type of events they've always shot. They'll continue to do so.

    And show me a cell phone cam photo and a photo shot by a professional photojournalist from the same event, and I'll choose the photojournalist's shot 999 times out of 1000. Its not because his camera is better (some day, cell phone cams might catch up, who knows?). Its the photographer. There's a reason why these people are pro's and make their living doing it - photographic talent. Joe Schmoe with his cell phone would have to be extremily lucky to stumble into a better picture than the pro is going to take.

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  33. Luck isn't (yet) enough for a Pulitizer. by abb3w · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The factors involved seem to be being present when a photo opportunity happens, recognizing a photo opportunity, having a half-decent camera, and having the skill to produce a well composed photograph (instead of a blurry mess with half a thumb).

    Being present is somewhat a matter of luck. However, photojournalists (like other journalists) spend more time than most people in many areas where "newsworthy" (IE: "I can turn that into a story!") events are more frequent. This improves their chances.

    Recognizing a photo opportunity is a learned skill. Unsubtle ones like the collapse of the World Trade Center can be recognized by any moron with a pulse and an IQ higher than room temperature. However, such moments may be hard to pick out of the crowd of moments around us, as the current Wikipedia example image for Eisenstaedt suggests. The kiss is one amoung millions, probably even millions that day; but capturing it has elevated it. Would you have stopped and taken the shot, or merely smiled kindly at the happy couple and wandered on past? (I don't think "Get a room!" was a current expression at the time; anyone know?)

    The ubiquity of cameras has reduced the importance of merely having a camera on the scene. However, all cameras are not created equal. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get the same quality shots with a keychain toy as with a fully kitted Hasselblad. Professionals put serious money into having the best gear, since they can get a return on the investment (and often a tax write-off). The barrier isn't absolute, since the availability of quality and affordable digital camera gear has gone up over the last couple years; there's a lot of "prosumer" grade cameras about. However, the ubiquitous cell phone camera is a lot closer to my first example for quality.

    The last element is skill. With the cost of "developing" digital shots so low, it's a lot cheaper to develop the skill of photo composition than it used to be. However, since developing such skill also takes effort, most people still use a RFC 2795-styled approach, taking shots and picking the best afterwards. While a professional does this too, the expert knowlege they possess means they have a higher starting point, and an easier time finding that one utterly outstanding shot.

    As Heinlein observed in Have Spacesuit, Will Travel, "There is no such thing as luck; there is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe." I wouldn't be too shocked if an "amateur" ended up with a Pulitzer within the next 20 years, but I don't expect the professional photojournalists to die out any time soon.

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  34. So tool availability means demise of profession? by syousef · · Score: 1

    Hang on, doesn't that mean that due to my local hardware store being so handy and being able to order things cheaply, plumbers, carpenters, builders etc. are all out of a job?

    Cheap cameras of decent quality don't magically turn your average schmoe who doesn't want to know anything beyond how to turn it to manual and go click into a pro photo journalist.

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  35. Demise Shemise by ahijado · · Score: 1

    What a profound and meaningless argument. Amateur photojournalists have been around for decades producing low-grade photos and video (dictated by what's available in the consumer market) that the media deems relevant only because those photos or video were the only ones available for that particular news story. As for the authenticity issue, there are and continue to be ethical issues surrounding all of photojournalism, professional or amateur. There will be no substitute for at least sports, political, or locally planned event photojournalists to name a few, so it is hard to believe that the professional photojournalist will be on the demise. If a news event takes place and the media wants to follow up on the aftermath of the story, who would you send to take pictures? Joe Schmoe? Will the media wait for Mr. Joe Schmoe-the-photojournalist to produce a news event picture, or will they just send someone on their staff - this implies that the person is a professional photojournalist - to get the picture and the job done on time? While there are still news organizations and corporations in existence, there will always be professional photojournalists in need.

  36. million monkeys by Ilmarin77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, let's give million monkeys million cameras and wait when they produce something like this.

  37. It died years ago, when LIFE magazine died. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When LIFE magazine ceased weekly publication, that was the end of photojournalism as a career.

  38. Why amateur stuff will win out by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The web caters to people that think "everyman should be able to do this", even when they can't. So, "citizen journalists" will eventually overwhelm paid profressionals just because people have no way to determine the difference.

    It all comes down to what are people looking for. Quality? Or just quantity. Or just a low price? A newspaper or web news site can "afford" far more when publishing freely contributed content vs. professional content they have to pay for. So, we're more likely to see free stuff. Not only that, but the difference between professional and amateur may not mean much for tiny, cropped down images on a web site.

    The other thing the web can't stand is the idea that material isn't being published because it isn't "appropriate". Would a newspaper or TV news program show a picture of a person "believed to be a rapist?" However, if someone has a cell phone camera picture of someone leaving the scene of a rape, you can bet some web site will put it up with the caption "He did it!!!!" What does this do to the idea of a fair trial?

    The idea of the "citizen journalist" pushes this over to a distributed model. Authority is a difficult problem in distributed systems and the "democratic" nature of the web seems to abhore the idea of any authority at all. This makes it very difficult to tell if you are looking at a clever fake or the truth. Sure, you might get different web sites with different material. OK, what is truth? Majority wins? Or is there something else that we can judge this stuff by? Right now, I would say it is unlikely there will be a standard and people will be left on their own. Truth could be a very slippery concept.

    1. Re:Why amateur stuff will win out by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      Uh...
      Would a newspaper or TV news program show a picture of a person "believed to be a rapist?" However, if someone has a cell phone camera picture of someone leaving the scene of a rape, you can bet some web site will put it up with the caption "He did it!!!!" What does this do to the idea of a fair trial?
      Nancy Grace.

      Seriously, I don't disagree with your concerns, but the mainstream media is already there. The quality of reporting and analysis on all but the most bland, uncontroversial subjects is obscene.
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  39. Simple by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    The role of professional photographers will be greatly deminished by orders of magnitude if their careers are limited to going to places where they can be killed because no one else will risk it. On every OTHER part of the planet the amatuers will rule.

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    1. Re:Simple by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That was an example. In EVERY situation, if you have professional footage available, that's what you'll go with. Amateurs will rule when there's no pro around... exactly as they do now.

      Professional news organizations are going to have to do something to differentiate themselves from the amateurs, otherwise nobody will pay for their services. The thing that will differentiate them is not carrying freely contributed amateur footage of everything because a billion bloggers will be doing that. It will be quality, professional footage, editing and (hopefully) journalism.

      Remember the Blair Witch Project? How it was supposed to take on the big boys and change the way movies were made? Instead the average audience member came out motion sick and wanting his money back.

  40. Re:Big whoop by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

    It's been hard to respect you guys since the ones who looked like Animal or Dennis Hopper in "Apocalypse Now" got replaced by Blond/Blonde talking heads with blow-dry hair and perfect teeth.

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  41. Limited to _photo_ journalists? by WheelDweller · · Score: 1

    No, I'm pretty sure the entire journalism crowd's up a tree; the doctored photos of Reutter's photojournalist, sure, but what about NBC making up the story about 6 imams being set on fire the other day? To them, it's all about installing a Democratic administration.

    And that's a good thing; the Democratic head of the oversight committee, Rais (spelling unsure) can't tell Shiite from Sunni. Shouldn't it be about ability, not "it's his turn?" It just seems like the blind leading the blind, when we need capable people the most.

    Well, at least the journalists will be happy.

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  42. I have to disagree with TFA by Endo13 · · Score: 1
    Frankly, this somewhat baffles me. I really don't see how this will affect Photojournalists/professional photographers much, if at all. So now we'll have more photos showing up in the news from 'regular' people using digicams and cellphone cams... because they just happened to be there when the photojournalist wasn't. But... for all those times when the photojournalists are there, won't we still be using their photos?? Like so many others have pointed out, real photographers do a much better job, and as a result these impromptu photos get used only because nothing better could be obtained. And in my experience, generally about the same amount of TV time and magazine/newspaper space is given to the high priority news stories, whether or not there happens to be an impromptu photo taken by a digicam to accompany it.

    Maybe I'm missing something that someone could point out?

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  43. More about Dust Removal by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    Here's my analysis of Adnan Hajj's disastrous image,

    This Image Is Not Faked

    (The page is written for a general audience, which is why I explain powers-of-two and other computery things.)

    It is a bad image which should never have been printed, but the mistake was purely technical and is the same level of mistake as using too much red-eye correction or bad white points, or out-of-focus even.

    The mistake was much more on Reuters's photo editor deciding to print such a messed-up picture, than their stringer who through haste submitted it. It's the editor's job to decide what, *if anything*, to print to accompany a story. It's the photographer's job to provide a lot of options for the editor. In the olden days, proof sheets full of options.

    I know all the real editors are dead. A shame. Journalism used to be almost respectable!

    (I did the photography/journalism stuff for six years in school, never at a professional level. I've done digital audio synthesis since the late 70s, and DSP professionally a few times since the mid-80s, including coding testing and releasing dust removal software. Thus the disastrous image immediately struck me as familiar, similar to testing situations.)

  44. Janine massacre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here Here! Yes without swift legislative action we could see the end of reporting on issues such as the Janine massacre in which 750 million Palestinians were murdered as reported on CNN or GW Bush not being a good soldier while in the military. Or the recent story out of Baghdad in which hundreds were burned alive. We could even end up with stories telling lies like 850,000 hacked to death in Rwanda due to UN inaction or John Kerry not an American hero. This legislation must go through to protect the dinosaur media from becoming extinct!

  45. What about the professional writer? by heroine · · Score: 1

    There have been billions of people capable of writing for many years, yet professional writing seems bigger than ever, with political leaders making vast sums of money just by penning a book. The problem isn't whether everyone can do it, it's who can do it well. No matter how good the equipment is, only a small percentage of users generate the best quality, and the institutionalizing species we are, we'll only want to see the product of the top percentage no matter how good everyone else is.