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Skype, Sony Working to Offer On-Demand iTunes Rivals
The field of on-demand video services continues to grow. Both Sony and Skype have announced their intentions to challenge the dominance of iTunes via download services. Sony is going to be offering movie downloads via the PSP, no doubt as a partial rebuff to Microsoft's entry into the field. Meanwhile, Skype is planning to roll out a broadband television service they are calling 'the Venice Project'. Funded with the money made when Skype was sold to eBay, the beta version was apparently launched last week. From the article: "On his blog, Mr Friis said the partners had been 'quietly testing with a small circle of people' for a few months, and that they would now expand the circle. The service will offer high-quality programs through an ad-supported platform. The project aims to bring quality TV programs free to consumers who have a broadband internet connection, the spokesman said."
Would you install software from Sony on your PC?
Somehow I don't think so.
While I couldn't care less about Sony's offering, Skype's is something I'd be interested in, I have Time Warner digital cable and they offer on demand services, but they are very bland, a couple good music videos, a couple comedy central shows, and a few other good things among a bunch of crap. No variety really, I'd love to have a service that offers just about everything that's on tv and the click of a button.
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This company is funded by Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis, not by Skype. The Venice Project is as unrelated to Skype as Skype is to Kazaa.
This the Skype foundrs, Zennström and Friis using the money they made selling Skype to create a new service. Skype is a product of eBay, and eBay are not involved in this.
An interesting question is whether they will be using P2P filesharing techniques for video distribution the way they did for for VOIP with Skype. One thinks bittorrent and other types of swarming, but it seems more difficult to apply here (Bittorrent based protocols work by having people download different parts of the file, which is difficult to apply to a stream.)
If MS were to incorporate free content (sans DRM), offer MUCH larger hard drives for the 360 (120 GB+), and improve their interface (adding search capability, and RSS feed-like subscription option, etc. like iTunes) they would be the kings.
As it is, considering Sony's half-ass online support for the PSP and PS3, and their legendary obsession with locking-down everything they touch with near-criminal levels of DRM and similar restrictions, I don't even consider them as even being in the game. They're a joke, and they're going to stay that way even as their stagecoach plummets off the cliff.
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I have mixed feelings about this. Certainly moving TV services onto the Internet is generally a good thing - especially if it is easier for everyone to enter the market if their product is good enough.
However, since I live in a country (Germany) which has probably the worst TV I've ever seen anywhere (along with, by at least one order of magnitude, the worst Supermarkets on Earth - but that's a post for another day) I do not watch TV here at all, which has trained me to watch what I want, when I want - so long as it's already been released on DVD. I have neither time nor patience now to hang around to wait for a show I like to come on.
So rather than a new Internet TV station I really need a legal and free way of Video on Demand. I'm sure I'm not alone. There seems to be few details on what this new service is about, but I'm not sure how interested I'd be unless I have control of my viewing.
Also, my true concern would be that eBay is somewhere behind it. "Free" TV? Yeah, sure, but how really free and for how long?
Well, if the guys that set up Skype and sold it for billions are going to have a go at the on-demand TV over IP market, then I'd bet on them. I've seen completely computer-illiterate people set up Skype and make calls.
The various teasing articles around the subject suggest they've got deals that mean they will have content from the mainstream as well as ads (and presumably whatever they can steal from YouTube). There's absolutely nothing on how they'll integrate ads and mainstream content, but the content is to be streamed so you'll have no choice about getting the ads if they go that way.
Nobody has said if there will be a requirement to pay for the service is the one thing that gets me, I can't decide whether to go chase the kids off my lawn or complain about how paying for cable TV was supposed to eliminate adverts.
Guys, when you set this up give users the option of making a micropayment for add-free TV shows.
And for those who go the extra mile and check the old slashdot story and its link to Business Week, this service was supposed to be up and running by the end of this year. Only 12 days to go people!
Where's the Kaboom?
There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom.
If MS were to incorporate free content (sans DRM), offer MUCH larger hard drives for the 360 (120 GB+), and improve their interface (adding search capability, and RSS feed-like subscription option, etc. like iTunes) they would be the kings.
The first barrier to MS dominating the download market is that in order to use the wonderful service, you have to buy an XBox 360. Non-gamers (and there are a few of them out there) are uninterested in buying a console merely to replicate features they can already get on their computer.
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I'm all for 'free' Internet TV but at the moment with 'free' broadcast TV, the length and frequency of adverts within programmes is really beginning to grate. The broadcasters are at least limited by regulation on the amount of advertising. I doubt the Internet will be regulated the same and we will have more ads than programme before long. Time to invent an ad skipping streamer.
Ian
Even assuming they fix the DRM issues and iTunes loses it's monopoly, I'm starting to get bummed about everyone wanting an account and client software to download a song that costs a buck.
It's bad enough that I need to have a user name and password every place I shop on line, and I can understand why newegg.com needs an address because they have to actually ship something, but why is the process still so tedious to download a single song? What happened to micro-payments?
The matter gets worse when they want you to install software to download. Not only do I need the iTunes client to download from Apple, but now I have to install a Yahoo client to download a non-DRM MP3, and I'll probably have to go into the registry to keep it from showing up in my "tray" at startup.
What will Sony and Skype want me to do? Who knows. But if they're trying to attract new customers, my advice would be to try and make it easier. At least Skype is likely to use PayPal, but if they don't make the download web-based, they might find it hard to convince me to install yet another "music manager" that I don't want or need. I have a Q and a Y in my tray. Someone somewhere is going to have to realize that this isn't a game of Scrabble and I really don't need to add two Ss.
TW
Please press "Install the trojan/client, then press download to get your songs"...
Arrgh.
I'm not _that_ unusual in having an iPod, a 360 and a PSP, am I? Deciding whether I want to buy my movie from one store, and not be able to play it on either of the other two devices is a bigger pain than buying a DVD and letting the PC do a bit of conversion work (or just sticking it in the machine in the case of the 360).
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This will be great, iTunes rivals at our fingertips! Slow news day, d/l an iTunes rival. Bored, d/l an iTunes rival. The big question is then, will it be possible to resell the iTunes rivals when they start to drag profits down in the red?
...does that mean when the free phonecallers go away at the end of this year and I get some of my bandwidth back, the movies on demand will kick in and I wont be able to do anything without killing all copies of skype? I notice that Skype is busy busy busy even when I am not and I've put this down to the free phone calls in north america. If they get to use the Skype network for the movie service then everyone will definitely have to find another chat client.
iDemand
Before this gets anywhere near launch, we need a new law demanding that the rightful administrator of a computer be given access to the Source Code of every program running on that computer -- and a Ministry of Information Technology with real teeth.
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There's really no point to competing with apple, because if they get mad, they'll just do a subscription service on the ipod, and since their install base is already so large, they'd basically be pulling a microsoft and killing all the competition for at least several more years, even with zero additional innovation.
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Bash Sony and get modded up.
The guy is a Microsoft troll.
Apple may negate this advantage somewhat with their iTV box, but it would have to sell a lot of units to compare to the 360's already-substantial install base.
True indeed. I wasn't really comparing iTV to the 360, but your argument makes sense if the point of comparison is iTV (or whatever it winds up being called) to the 360. I'm not sure that the device is the point of comparison, per se. The service is the real lynchpin of success or failure, imho. Right now iTunes has the lead because of the tight integration between iTunes and the iPod. There are many iTunes users who listen to music and watch video on their computers, but I'm not sure how it stacks up in that regard against the 360. Apple seems to be building out a system wherein the service is the hub, and various types of hardware tap into it. Microsoft, on the other hand, is leading with the hardware, using the 360 as the point of entry to the service. Apple has the advantage of versatility and mobility, while Microsoft has the advantage in connecting directly to the TV. Ultimately I think Apple may have a more successful strategy, because the TV is an inherently limited device, and I don't think the business model for consoles will survive past the next few years.
Then again, I've been wrong many times before. It's going to be an interesting battle to watch.
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