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The Physics of Santa

Roland Piquepaille writes "If you don't believe that Santa Claus can deliver presents to millions of homes in a single night, Larry Silverberg, professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering at North Carolina State University (NCSU), explains that Santa's society of elves has an understanding of physics and engineering that exceeds our own. In fact, Santa Claus and his crew really can deliver presents in one night because of their advanced knowledge of electromagnetic waves, the space/time continuum, nanotechnology, genetic engineering and computer science. For example, he doesn't carry presents. He uses a nano-toymaker to fabricate toys grown atom by atom inside the children's homes. Very entertaining reading... Here is a link to additional details and pictures of Santa and his elves flying over New Zealand."

172 comments

  1. And if you believe that.... by Swimport · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ive got a bridge and a Messiah to sell you.

    1. Re:And if you believe that.... by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 1

      Ummm, Just who do you think Santa works for anyway? It stands to reason (and faith?) that given this, Santa would have more than a few tricks up his sleeve...

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    2. Re:And if you believe that.... by Swimport · · Score: 1

      -1 Troll? That was gold man, gold.

      I didn't realize there were so many Santa believers in here.

    3. Re:And if you believe that.... by partenon · · Score: 1

      Bad, bad boy... No new gadgets for you this year.

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    4. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Sinter Klass was a real person who was born in 280.
      While the legends just grew from evolving story telling, the person did exist.
      As for "Messiah" that you speak of, the same is true.

      Most people grow out of believing in the magic legend of "Santa".

      Sadly, a majority of people, believe that "Messiah" did things more magic than flying with a bright nosed caribou.

    5. Re:And if you believe that.... by Tatarize · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, personally I think the idea of Santa is a lot more believable than that God thing.

      I mean, each year millions of kids get presents from Santa. It would take a massive conspiracy on a global scale to pull off that kind of evidence from fraud. One or two houses... maybe... but millions?

      Now, compare that with the actual reliable evidence for God: there isn't any. You can explain the entire God thing with a bunch of bored people in a desert with nothing else to do. To explain the little bits of non-evidence religion provides is downright trivial. But, millions upon millions of presents each and ever year? Those presents actually exist and everything.

      On pretty much every count Santa wins. Where does Santa live? The north pole. Where does God live? Outside of spacetime, where he's exempt from the laws of cause-and-effect in order to be a cause for the universe while not needing a cause for himself. I mean, a simple answer vs. something clearly constructed out of bullcrap... it's your choice.

      As for the whole, watching you all the time and knowing when you're being bad or good old men... I think Santa is much more plausible.

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    6. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and a Messiah to sell you.

      Indeed. Who was it that sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver?

    7. Re:And if you believe that.... by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Mathew? Mark? Luke?

      Don't tell me, I know this...

      John? Paul? George? Ringo?

      Feh, I can't rememeber...

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    8. Re:And if you believe that.... by foodforthought · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, good luck to you on judgment day.

    9. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Indeed. Who was it that sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver?

      The Grinch?
      Scrooge?

      Or that story/legend?
      Judas.

      But I guess the book of Thomas was possibly older,
      and Judas wasn't the bad guy in that version.

      Oh well, the story wasn't finalized at that point.

    10. Re:And if you believe that.... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      is your comment meant to be fake and funny or real and pathetic? you have no other comments for me to judge your sanity by.

    11. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Well, good luck to you on judgment day.

      Are you referring to the magical one that lives in the sky and likes to be worshiped forever, or Santa?

      I know Sinterklaas really did exist and was born in 280.
      Some people don't know this, often because the mythical version gets advertisement.

      But what if you died, and it turned out that Santa himself actually ruled the universe.
      And he judged you from two things.
      1. Did you believe in Santa. Of course you believe now that you are dead and see him, but he really would have liked if you believed in the crazy mythical parts while you were alive.
      2. Were you naughty or nice. This depends solely on (1).

      Not very fair, huh, judging people based on whether they believed some non-historic story. Even if they story was historic, it would still not be a fair to judge someone based on some arbitrary beliefs about a time in the past, would it?

      PS: Can angels fly faster than reindeers?

    12. Re:And if you believe that.... by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Sinterklaas' slave: Zwarte Piet.

      Who is, of course, the devil. Having been beaten by Santa, Satan must take the form of a black woman.

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    13. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a WITCH!

    14. Re:And if you believe that.... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      But I guess the book of Thomas was possibly older,
      and Judas wasn't the bad guy in that version.


      Screw this coding shit. I'm going to write a thriller based on the descovery of the Gospel of Judas and make millions, like that hack Dan Brown.

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    15. Re:And if you believe that.... by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I highly recommend you read the Good News Bible. It is a protestant bible that gets to the point. Even though you don't believe in God, you should still read the bible at least once. It is the book that has shaped Western Civilization as we know it. By understanding it, you'll have a deeper understanding of most poems and literature. The book also provides evidence of God. :-P You cannot say there isn't any when there is a little bit; just about as much as Santa gets. I'm not saying I'm religious at all, but I do my research before I open my mouth.

    16. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The book also provides evidence of God. :-P
      > You cannot say there isn't any when there is a little bit; just about as much as Santa gets.

      Actually, hearsay is not evidence. It usually warrants an objection in courtrooms.

      Now if you had said that the bible provides evidence of people SAYING there's evidence of God, then you're onto something!

    17. Re:And if you believe that.... by Darby · · Score: 1

      It is the book that has shaped Western Civilization as we know it.

      Hardly. Western Civilization as we know it was shaped by the Enlightenment which was largely a rejection of religious dogma in favor of reason. The theocratic horrors of the world shaped by the bible didn't end, but they were curtailed.

      By understanding it, you'll have a deeper understanding of most poems and literature.

      Well, "a lot", certainly. Most? Not so much.

      The book also provides evidence of God. :-P You cannot say there isn't any when there is a little bit; just about as much as Santa gets.

      Not at all. Well, unless you consider The Iliad to be evidence that Zeus exists.
      All it is is evidence that people believe that god exists. Heck, there isn't even one single scrap of evidence that Jesus ever lived as a man, let alone a god.

      I'm not saying I'm religious at all, but I do my research before I open my mouth.

      Perhaps you might want to do a bit more ;-)

    18. Re:And if you believe that.... by elbobo · · Score: 1

      Heck, there isn't even one single scrap of evidence that Jesus ever lived as a man, let alone a god.

      And also plenty of direct evidence that the Jesus story and Christian beliefs were fictional rip offs of the back story of a competing religion.

      Actual genuine belief in the factual accuracy of the story of Jesus, let alone belief in Christian spirituality requires either ignorance and stupidity or outright denial and rejection of known facts.

    19. Re:And if you believe that.... by elbobo · · Score: 1

      More Mithra/Jesus comparisons:

      http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.ht ml
      http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/true_origins_chris tianity.html
      http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

      Mithraism dates back 4000 years, obviously predating Christianity. Here's a few little details that Christianity borrowed from Mithraism:

      1. Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds.
      2. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
      3. He had 12 companions or disciples.
      4. Mithra's followers were promised immortality.
      5. He performed miracles.
      6. As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
      7. He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.
      8. His resurrection was celebrated every year.

    20. Re:And if you believe that.... by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 1

      Hardly. Western Civilization as we know it was shaped by the Enlightenment which was largely a rejection of religious dogma in favor of reason. The theocratic horrors of the world shaped by the bible didn't end, but they were curtailed.

      What happened before the enlightenment? What happened after? History does go back farther than 300 years. And, whether you like it or not, what happened prior to the enlightenment is still important. The enlightenment lasted a very short time in the grand scheme of things. Remember, prior to the enlightenment, the church condemned most scientific research. The church is why England broke away, so that the King could divorce his wife. I would argue that is a defining moment in English history. I would also argue that England's breaking away affected its relations with France. If you studied history, you will note that there is a strong relationship between England and France. When they were at war with each other, their relationship still made an impact on how their countries were shaped. Moving on... There were religious wars between the catholics and protestants. Isabella of Spain is quite a famous figure. Joan of Arc is another. The Pope used to rule a huge part of Europe as we know it. Pretty much all of Italy all the way up to modern day Germany. That's a pretty huge influence of control. The crusades from hundreds of years ago still affect relations with the West and the middle east today. We of the western world would disagree, but people of the middle east who have been oppressed and need a scapegoat would agree. Every witch hunt was because of the bible. God condemns witches in the Old Testament.

      After the enlightenment, society went through the modern era. This was a time that lasted until approximately the end of WWII. It was the offspring of the enlightenment. It emphasized freedom, reason, and logic. What happened after the modern era? Well, historians haven't picked a name for the era we live in now, but it is certainly not an era ruled by reason. The USA has moved back to religion. Look at our own president. Religion was something he emphasized to get into his position of power. The pope was in the newspaper yesterday, and the week before, and before that... yeah he still seems to be a fairly important guy. I still have friends who yell at me for not going to church... blah blah blah... I'm sure you know someone who tries to guilt you too. My one friend wanted me to hand out fliers, only I wouldn't because the fliers basically said, "Unless you give the church a lot of gold, you won't go to heaven." Many holidays that we celebrate come from the bible. If you celebrate Christmas or Easter, you are celebrating a holiday set up in the bible. These holidays are huge, consumer industries, but the foundations came from some where. Have you ever been married or been to a general wedding? Unless you are of a religion other than Christianity, chances are you either were a part or witnessed a Christian celebration, FYI. The words you speak at the wedding bind you under God, not government. There's a separate step for that. Yes, I think the bible is still a fairly influential book.

      Unless you read the actual bible at least once through, then your "research" is very limited to the opinions of other people. You should also read a few more history books beyond Wikipedia and a few batched up websites. Find me something published that supports your research. At least the author had to go through a process to get a publishing house to consider it.

    21. Re:And if you believe that.... by Darby · · Score: 1

      History does go back farther than 300 years. And, whether you like it or not, what happened prior to the enlightenment is still important.

      I'm well aware of that. ...a bunch of historical events...

      None of which have anything to do with the bible. That's just politics/greed/brutality as usual. Sure, the Church was behind a lot of it, but that was all covered by part of my post which you even quoted, but apparently failed to read:

      "The theocratic horrors of the world shaped by the bible didn't end, but they were curtailed."

      So, yes, I'm well aware that the deep evil inherent in any form of religious rule is responsible for great horrors.
      The bible had jack shit to do with any of that.

      Your next paragraph is well covered by the same sentence with the caveat that I probably should have added: "for a while although it's rearing it's ugly head again".

      If you celebrate Christmas or Easter, you are celebrating a holiday set up in the bible. These holidays are huge, consumer industries, but the foundations came from some where.

      The foundations did come from somewhere. However, as your deeply misinformed statement demonstrates, you have no idea what those foundations are. That's why I finished up by suggesting that you might want to do some more research before opening your mouth.
      You're clearly somewhat informed, and I'm really not trying to flame you, but if you can actually write something *that* ridiculous, you really really need to do some actual *research* as opposed to repeating lies spread by the Christians over the years in their concerted policy of cultural genocide.

      Both of those holidays predate Christianity by *thousands of years*. It's probable that they predate the promotion of Jehova from wind god in the Hebrew pantheon to "one god", and possible that they predate the invention of that god in the first place although that last one is just speculation on my part as I've done no research on that in particular.

      Have you ever been married or been to a general wedding? Unless you are of a religion other than Christianity, chances are you either were a part or witnessed a Christian celebration, FYI. The words you speak at the wedding bind you under God, not government.

      I've been to many weddings. I'm married myself.

      This was just bad though:

      If you go to a Christian wedding you're watching a Christian ceremony.

      Duh.

      Marriage far predates Christianity as well. It's almost always been an *economic* institution anyhow, regardless of what mumbo jumbo they mumble at the ceremony.

      Perhaps you're not actually aware of what's involved in getting married in America, so I'll tell you about my wedding day.

      We flew into Vegas on Friday me from Chicago, and her from San Diego ( I was working on a contract at the time, although since we've moved to Chicago ( and I'm writing this from England, wheee)).

      I took a cab to the courthouse, met up with her, waited in line for 5-10 minutes and got a license.
      At midnight, we met up at the chapel and had a quick ceremony with a few friends and no Jesus, no God.

      So, really, the government is the *only* one that actually matters in the entire thing as you need a license from them to have your marriage recognized legally and whoever performs the ceremony does as well.
      No religious anything is involved unless you go out of your way to make it so.

      Unless you read the actual bible at least once through, then your "research" is very limited to the opinions of other people.

      I'm not even sure what, specifically, you're talking about here. Especially since the bible isn't even "opinion". It's a collection of myths with some actual history thrown in.
      If you mean research into what the bible actually says (in detail), then certainly you'd need to read it.

      There are plenty of other sources though which you'd need to read *in addition* to the bible for it to be research about anything el

    22. Re:And if you believe that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you celebrate Christmas or Easter, you are celebrating a holiday set up in the bible. These holidays are huge, consumer industries, but the foundations came from some where."

      Easter may have came from the worship of Eostre or Ishtar.
      Christmas came from several religions. The Christmas tree was a Roman tradition to honor Saturn during Saturnalia. December 25 came from Mithraism.

      But, yes Christianity was very infuential.
      Though Christianity (or religion in general) has not often been aligned with free thought and science.
      Often, religion is aligned with violence, greed, and power.

    23. Re:And if you believe that.... by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      >>Even though you don't believe in God, you should still read the bible at least once.

      Dude. I've read the Bible, the Koran too. For my money, the Koran is better written though still boring as dirt.

      >>It is the book that has shaped Western Civilization as we know it.

      So has racism, war, and disease.

      >>The book also provides evidence of God.

      Books aren't evidence. I've seen plenty of suggested non-evidence before. Look women found the tomb... it must be true (though, each Gospel changes the women who went to the tomb).

      >>By understanding it, you'll have a deeper understanding of most poems and literature.

      I did quite well on my AP language and lit classes. I am pretty good at analyzing poetry. Outside of a few psalms and parables, the Bible is quite literal. To start saying that's figurative and that's poetry tends to make it much weaker. Most liberal Christians seem to hold that the Bible has about as much truth as the Illiad. All the parts about gods and such are just figurative, but look! Some of the places exist. You end up with oddities like Jesus sacrificing Himself to Himself dying for the figurative myth of original sin, which was all just poetry.

      >>I'm not saying I'm religious at all, but I do my research before I open my mouth.

      I've done my research. I've seen the "evidence" and it's laughable. Most of it reminds me of Tertullian's quote "And the Son of God died; it is by all means to be believed, because it is absurd. And He was buried, and rose again; the fact is certain, because it is impossible." Which seems to be an inverse of the great Sagan mantra "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Namely that 'Extraordinary claims require no evidence.'

      >>You cannot say there isn't any when there is a little bit;

      I said "little bit of non-evidence". I covered your statement. A small amount of suggestion that something in the Bible might not be fake is hardly evidence for God.

      In the end, I am rather offended. You blatantly assume I've never read the Bible out of thin-air. Then you proceed to admonish me for not doing my research. Both statements which are patently false. I've read poetry before, and as much as people genuflect to the Bible any of Shakespeare's plays are better than all of the Bible.

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    24. Re:And if you believe that.... by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      Turned me into a newt!

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    25. Re:And if you believe that.... by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      Yes, that period when everybody believe in God and the church ran everything is quite important. I think they called it the dark ages. Just as it is important to know about the black death (which by the way modern research is showing wasn't initially caused by Bubonic plague).

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  2. If this is possible by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

    Then why am I not floating in a huge B-Field right now?

    I feel the karma roasting ...right....now....

    1. Re:If this is possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      > You're not, you're floating in a huge BS-Field right now.

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from bullshit."

      I noticed the article doesn't explain how Santa can simultaneously appear at 30,000 shopping malls!

    2. Re:If this is possible by tepples · · Score: 1

      I noticed the article doesn't explain how Santa can simultaneously appear at 30,000 shopping malls!

      A slightly more believable lie is that each of the shopping center representatives of the organization founded by Nicholas of Myra has his own sleigh, set of reindeer, and delivery route.

    3. Re:If this is possible by Nephilium · · Score: 2

      And I thought I was bitter...

      YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
      'So we can believe the big ones?'
      YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY...

      Death to Susan... from Hogfather...

      Nephilium

      "I was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care who knew it." -- The Big Sleep (Chapter 1)

    4. Re:If this is possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >> Why do we think its cute and sweet to lie to children. Its not?

      I think is in preparation for Christianity. Hey Billy, Santa didn't fly in the air, but angels do... Dragons don't exist, except in Hell where the fire and dragon people are.

      >> There is no Santa Claus. No easter bunny. No unicorns, mermaids, dragons, fairies, space aliens we know of, etc...

      Sinterklaas/Sint Nikolaas was born in 280, and died in 342.

      The magic in the legend came from storytelling.

      All great legends probably started with some reality.

      There may have been someone that saved his family in a flood long ago, then story grew into the Noah legend saving the world from disaster.

      Though Sinterklaas was a bit more recent, so if you want, you can find some historic information of him if you wish.

    5. Re:If this is possible by E++99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, these things have a real existence, in the sense an idea has a real existance in a patterning of electromagnetic fields and chemical connections inside the human mind.

      Oh boy, I hate to be the one... but when mommy and daddy told you that the human mind is just a patterning of electromagnetic fields and chemical connections... they were lying. Chemical connections and electromagnetic fields becoming self-aware holds up about as well as the Physics of Santa.
    6. Re:If this is possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The explanation of how Santa delivers all these presents is much simpler than most people think: He outsources all the work to India.

    7. Re:If this is possible by Scarletdown · · Score: 1
      Why do we think its cute and sweet to lie to children. Its not? It teaches them cynacism from the get go.

      There is no Santa Claus. No easter bunny. No unicorns, mermaids, dragons, fairies, space aliens we know of, etc...


      That's it! I'm reporting you to Mister Clause so that you can have a visit from his trusted sidekick. You can expect to be taking your holiday dinner tomorrow standing up. :D

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    8. Re:If this is possible by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If we aren't chemical connections and electromagnetic fields, what are we? If you start getting into the metaphysical, you have to define it in a way that makes sense first.

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    9. Re:If this is possible by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >then story grew into the Noah legend saving the world from disaster.

      it was first a babylonian myth, then got ripped off. Ut-Napishtim was renamed Noah. everything about Jesus is a rip-off of older myths too. makes it funny when people call the bible the greatest story ever told. in reality, at the time it was the most cliche story ever.

    10. Re:If this is possible by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      If that were true, the gifts would frequently explode and kill people, but there'd be a 1-800 Santa hotline.

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    11. Re:If this is possible by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Oh boy, I hate to be the one... but when mommy and daddy told you that the human mind is just a patterning of electromagnetic fields and chemical connections... they were lying. Chemical connections and electromagnetic fields becoming self-aware holds up about as well as the Physics of Santa. - without getting into a flamewar, let's just say that there is nothing metaphysical about life, however the exact details of consciousness are not fully understood yet.

    12. Re:If this is possible by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Shakespeare's stories were full of cliches too--every single one of them ripped off from either ancient Greek or Roman poems(Romeo and Juliet = extended Pyramus and Thisbe) or then-extant English poems(Hamlet, for example). But really, the only really interesting thing about the Jesus story is that the sort of people who would be Republicans today really hated him and got him killed.

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    13. Re:If this is possible by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      Sources? Citations? References?

      Oh, right, sorry - baseless dogma it is, then.

      Because everyone knows posting sarcastic, unsupported but emphatic statements of your own personal belief as if they were fact is the way to convince anyone with half a brain, right?

      And FWIW, my personal belief is that "self-awareness" is just recursion - a kind of natural feedback loop that may be exhibited as emergent behaviour in certain complex system. If you're positing something metaphysical or supernatural about it, you'd better have some pretty good evidence in favour of your position (extraordinary claims, and all that) or you're just another unreasoning slogan-shouting religious zombie.

      Well? Any evidence at all worthy of the name?

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  3. Long distance delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Science of Santa Claus: Jolly Old Elf Really Can Deliver Presents in One Night, Says NC >State Engineer

    Your American tax dollars at work, everyone.

    Please can someone work out how to deliver presents to Mars colonists in a night. It would be extremely helpful in the near future.

    Santa

    1. Re:Long distance delivery by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I was thinking this guy has too much time on his hands.

  4. Roland the Plogger, cashing in on Xmas by Animats · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Roland the Plogger even tries to cash in on Xmas. How tacky.

  5. Santa DID show up my house last year - see video by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The local paper wrote a similar story last year - my response from my Santa Tracker page is attached below ... and as noted, the christmas webcams are live again this year looking for the Big Red Guy.


    Todd Neff from the Boulder Camera wrote a Christmas Eve article about the physics of Santa. He included a "Parental disretion advised" notice, but the headline writer argueably got a little carried away. Needless to say, since I live in the Republic of Boulder, outraged residents wrote several letters to the editor that were published on December 28th. So I wrote the following which ran on December 31st. Great headline by the Camera and they printed my letter in its entirety (including some subtle attempts at humor) with minor grammatical edits.

    HO, HO, HO - Yes, Virginia, as my Web cam shows

    As a technologist, I enjoyed Todd Neff's piece on Christmas Eve about the physics of Santa; kudos to the Daily Camera for not just reprinting the AP article, but doing some local embelishment that added a nice touch to the story (and ditto in the Dec. 28 piece about the coming leap-second).

    As reported by the Camera's Kate Larsen a week earlier (Dec. 17), I have three Web cams (three more than last year) at my house watching my 26,000 Christmas lights. Needless to say, my 7-year-old and 4-year-old sons were excited to see if Santa would show up on these Web cams. And, not surprisingly, the Big Red Guy (and especially Rudolph) are quite visible stopping by our Lafayette house on Christmas Eve.

    So while it would be (way!) out of place for me to weigh in on journalistic reporting as other letter writers have, I thought I would write to say that while Todd accurately reported that the physics of Santa are a challenge, the conclusion is wrong. Yes, sometimes, the paper doesn't get the story right ... and yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

    Santa does deliver presents on Christmas Eve to children around the world.

    The magic/miracle is still alive, and I would suggest that Camera readers (and their kids) review the video at www.komar.org to judge for themselves.

    And you'd better believe I'll be watching next year as Santa returns at Christmas.

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  6. Evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone needs further evidence that Slashdot is not for adults, this should put the nail in that coffin.

    1. Re:Evidence by gusmao · · Score: 1

      The motto is not "news for adults", is "news for nerds"

    2. Re:Evidence by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Someone didn't get the toys he wanted I see.

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  7. Hey Mr. Professor, Santa does not exist by locksmith101 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    hey, hate to break it to ya - but Santa does not exist (and if he does exist he should be prosecuted for molesting little girls and boys - why do parents let their kids sit on grown weird fake beared people?)

    1. Re:Hey Mr. Professor, Santa does not exist by cjjjer · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you define santa

  8. Colz Grigor: Santa is Magic by Colz+Grigor · · Score: 1
    All this debate about a "high-tech Santa" coming from the "Oh, we can't accept that he's a magical being" contingent is getting pathetic. All Heinlein quotes aside, the reason Santa can know who's naughty and who's nice without being accused of being a "Big Brother" by SlashDot and the reason that he can provide gifts to all the good little girls and boys in a single evening without being seen or captured is because he's magic! Get over it, all you hack scientists!

    ::Colz Grigor

    1. Re:Colz Grigor: Santa is Magic by partenon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Understanding *how* Santa Claus delivers the gifts in Christmas Eve can help us improve our engineering. Where do you think the idea behind Google Search came from? Doesn't the pigeons idea looks like Santa's carriers?

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    2. Re:Colz Grigor: Santa is Magic by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the pigeons idea looks like Santa's carriers? Actually I thought they looked like plague carriers.
  9. Roland by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Funny
    While this IS technically a Roland story and I should be refusing to post in it (don't be fooled that he has an original link in his post, he still has his ZDNet blog link in there as well) I'd like to take this opportunity to copy/paste one of my favorite Santa posts of all time that I found on Slashdot. Props to rev_g33k_101 for this one.

    Santa Claus: An Engineer's Perspective I. There are approximately 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Jehovah's Witnesses, or Buddist religions, this reduces the workload on Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

    II. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with at least one good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, jump out, go down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump in the sleigh, and move on to the next house. (That's why it's really pointless to stay up and wait for him....)

    Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom breaks. This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For the purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a pokey 75.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.

    III. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child has nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull nothing more than 300 pounds. Even granted that "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or nine of them; Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the sleigh itself, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizibeth (the ship, not the monarch).

    IV. 600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance; this would heat up the reindeer in the same fasion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and causing deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.2 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reaches the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 miles per second in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 G's. A 250 pound Santa (which seem ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pound of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

    V. Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.

    Don't forget to click my link and read some of the responses to the original post, they're great. Merry Christmas Slashdot!

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    1. Re:Roland by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "Santa post" you quote is originally from the January 1990 issue of Spy Magazine.

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    2. Re:Roland by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      As I previosly poited out to someone else when they posted something along the same argument i their journal:

      1. Santa is obviosusly a clone. Look anywhere - there are hundreds of them visible in every shopping mall. Or are you going to deny the evidence of your own eyeballs?
      2. Assuming an "even distribution: is the WORST POSSIBLE distribution, guaranteed to suck up the most time. The real distributin is much more optimal. You'll find most kids have a brother or sister, cutting the number of trips by at least half. Also, most kids live far less than 1 km away from any other kid - like "next door", "same apartment building", etc. The real-world distribution is two roders of magnitude better than "evenly distributed" (how many kids live in the middle of the pacific ocean, or antarctica, anyway)?
      3. Assuming only 5 million Santa clones, and a much more reasonable distribution, works out that each Santa only has to make 21 stops, all in the same neighborhood, that night. Chimneys? Come on, who has a working chimney nowadays, with the EPA, etc? He delivers to the door, same as FedEX, DHL and UPS.
    3. Re:Roland by Beefchief · · Score: 1

      V. Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. He uses magic you idiot.
    4. Re:Roland by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I would add that he also doesn't visit children of Russian and Greek Orthodox religions. Grandfather Frost visits them on 7th January.

    5. Re:Roland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 Assuming an "even distribution: is the WORST POSSIBLE distribution, guaranteed to suck up the most time. The real distributin is much more optimal. You'll find most k"ids have a brother or sister, cutting the number of trips by at least half. Also, most kids live far less than 1 km away from any other kid - like "next door", "same apartment building", etc. The real-world distribution is two roders of magnitude better than "evenly distributed" (how many kids live in the middle of the pacific ocean, or antarctica, anyway)?"

      Wait, did you read this? He is assuming 3.5 kids in a house. Also, having each house an even distance in a ring around the earth is by far the best distribution possible - no backtracking, no racing up and down the earth... shortest route, even acceleration.

      As for clones, everyone knows those aren't actually Santa, but his deputies or something.

    6. Re:Roland by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Nonsense - a "lumpy" distribution is FAR superior to an even distribution, especially when you have multiple Santa clones to work with. Which would involve more travelling - 100 kids in 33 apartments in one building, or your "even distribution"? The answer is so obvious that I'm amazed the original author made such a blooper.

      Even with 1 Santa, an even distribution is the worst possible one. Mind you, they also "proved" bumble-bees can't fly. And the Titanic can never sink.

    7. Re:Roland by Darby · · Score: 1

      I would add that he also doesn't visit children of Russian and Greek Orthodox religions. Grandfather Frost visits them on 7th January.

      That's interesting and all, but get to the meat of the issue: Which one brings the best presents ;-)

  10. Just let it go by dubonbacon · · Score: 1

    This guy really couldn't let go his childhood beliefs.

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    1. Re:Just let it go by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? This author's name is Dr. Larry Silverberg. I somehow doubt that Silverberg's Jewish mother would have even allowed him near a Santa or a Christmas Tree. If anything, it is because his parents wouldn't let him participate in the Holiday Season that he feels a need to explain it scientifically. Or, he is just being a wiseass and trying to teach a little physics to the good Christian boys and girls :-)

    2. Re:Just let it go by dubonbacon · · Score: 1

      I didn't RTFA, of course. Merry Christmas!

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  11. A blast from the past by laing · · Score: 0, Redundant

    IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS?

    As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research help
    from that renown scientific journal SPY magazine (January, 1990) - I am
    pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa Claus.

      1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000
      species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of
      these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying
      reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

      2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT
      since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and
      Buddhist cihldren, that reduces the workload to to 15% of the total -
      378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average
      (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million
      homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.

      3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
      different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels
      east to west (which seemes logical). This works out to 822.6 visits
      per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good
      children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the
      sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the
      remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left,
      get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the
      next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly
      distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but
      for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now
      talking about...78 miles per household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million
      miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once
      every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.

      This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000
      times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-
      made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4
      miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per
      hour.

      4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element.
      Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set
      (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa,
      who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional
      reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying
      reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we
      cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer.
      This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh
      - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the
      weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

      5) 353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enourmous
      air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
      spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of
      reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second.
      Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
      exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
      their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
      thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
      centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound
      Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his
      sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.

      IN CONCLUSION - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,
      he's dead now.

    1. Re:A blast from the past by partenon · · Score: 1

      This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000
          times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-
          made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4
          miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per
          hour. That's the reason most people (perhaps including you?) have never seen Santa before...
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  12. National Security by Joebert · · Score: 1

    Has anyone notified the President about this ?

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    1. Re:National Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone notified the President about this

      Give him a chance he is still on page 11 of "My Pet Goat"

    2. Re:National Security by TodMinuit · · Score: 1

      Of course! He can't wait to see if Santa brought him a Tickle Me Elmo.

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    3. Re:National Security by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
      This came up during the Cold War at NORAD. They wanted to make sure that the Russians didn't send an attack south at the same time Santa was making his rounds on Christmas Eve!!! So they track Santa every year.


      check out here http://www.noradsanta.org/en/default.php for the scoop!!!


      I noticed this year he cleverly missed the middle east... maybe he's afraid of getting shot down this year.... or maybe UN sanctions apply to Santa too!!

  13. Re:Santa DID show up my house last year - see vide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live egh ?

    http://www.komar.org/christmas/hoax/media.html
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6761704/

    perhaps it would be best if WE DIDN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD YOU SAY
    and get our Santa Tracker from someone a bit more reputable
    http://www.noradsanta.org/

  14. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your Elve are belong to us?

  15. Even NORAD tracks the old guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just take a look at the Norad Santa scanner. Now we'd better hope he won't be identified as a terrist and shot down when he makes is way into the US :-)

  16. Please... by amstrad · · Score: 1

    ... won't somebody think of the children!

    1. Re:Please... by partenon · · Score: 1

      I think this can help our geek children understand that Santa do exist. Most of geek children don't believe in Santa anymore, and proving Santa is also a geek can help'em.

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  17. With all that advanced tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Santa could easily solve the world's oil and energy problems.

    But, no; the world's spoiled brats complained when he gave them coal instead of the usual useless trinkets back in the day.
    And now those same little bastards are all grown up, and killing people who don't give them enough oil.

    Bah! Humbug!

  18. The Real Story by cirby · · Score: 1

    From http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2002/santaring.html

    (Don't bother hitting the link, here's the text from the page - the author who collected and organized the posts is Richard Harter, and everything from here on down is his effort, with some minor edits to make it past the filter on Slashdot):

    Santa Claus: Lord of the Rings

    In the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup there was a disturbingly plausible thread connecting Santa Claus and the Lord of the Rings. Learn about fruitcake as mathoms, the sinister Tom Bombadil, Silmarils on the Christmas tree, reindeer as ringwraiths, and other horrors. The gruesome details follow:

    Chad Irby
    How do you think Santa got all of his workers?

    He ended up with all of the Elven rings, and centuries of malnourishment and mistreatment has resulted in a flock of miniscule elf-slaves.

    George Williams
    "One ring to rule them all, and unto Christmas bind them."

    Sea Wasp
    The One wasn't destroyed... Santa got a hold of it.

    Makes sense. All those paranoia-inducing lyrics ... "He sees you when you're sleeping... he knows when you're awake... he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness' sake!"

    Kyle Haight
    Wonderful. Now I'm going to dream about Santa's terrible jolly red eye.

    aRJay
    I've just realised, it's worse than that, the books lied. Santa didn't get the ring. The ability to see everything he has an all seeing eye.

    Santa is Saur...

    *NO CARRIER*

    Mark Atwood
    "There is, in a tower, far to the north, an Eye, unblinking."

    Niall McAuley
    As to who Santa really is, which jolly character in LOTR actually gets to *hold the ring in his hand* at one point?

    So, old Tom Bombadil does a little ring-palming and sends Frodo off with a lesser ring, then clears off to the ruins of Angband beneath the North Polar ice cap, there to use the power of the One Ring to draw the surviving Orcs to him, to toil beneath the ice in his grim, satanic toy mills.

    Sea Wasp
    Now THAT is a stroke of genius. And with Bombadil's power PLUS the One's, BombaSauron is able to cause Barad-Dur to topple, etc., at the appropriate time. This implies that Sauron himself WILL come back one day, since his Ring is still intact, though.

    Michael S. Schiffer
    Of course. "[T]he children know he'll be back again someday." Though that song reflects the conflation of multiple Dark Lords. The magic hat is, of course, the Iron Crown ("he began to dance around" is a memory of when Luthien sang for him in Thangorodrim), and the association with cold and snow is similarly obvious. But the "eye[s] made out of coal" are, of course, Sauron's, which glowed red and fiery like a live coal. And the pipe is, as you'd guess, from Saruman.

    Andrew Plotkin
    But there were only nine Nazgul -- oh, no, wait, Sauron also brought three of the dwarven rings to himself during the Third Age. Total: twelve tiny reindeer. (Three smaller than the others.)

    The Christmas Tree is the sign of Bombadil's power, of course, but... um, why do we traditionally put a Silmaril at the top?

    Sea Wasp
    Morgoth's Crown, you fool.

    Liz Broadwell
    Specifically, it's a propitiation ritual -- we act out returning the one that Beren and Luthien stole, in the hope that nobody will blame *us* for the deed of some idiot hero. What'd they want it for, anyway? Not like they did anything useful with it once they'd got it ...

    Jouni Karhu
    No. Instead, when the Christmas Tree dies and we carry it outside, it symbolizes the felling of the Trees of Valinor.

    John David Galt
    Does that mean the Christmas feast celebrates the Kinslaying? As a sort of evil Miracle of Transsubstantiation?

    Michael S. Schiffer
    Swords and swan-ships, carving knives and turkeys (or geese)... the correspondences aren't exactly subtle. (And we probably shouldn't even get started on the fruitcake-- but think the Haudh-en-Ndengin.)

    1. Re:The Real Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TL; DR.

  19. Re:Santa DID show up my house last year - see vide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Bravo on the work that you are doing. Please rest assured that not all /.ers heartless bastards!

    For the rest of you, It's safe to say that most of the nay-saying geeks out there will wash out of the gene pool by virtue of being unable to procreate (you need to sleep with a girl to do so).

  20. Roland! by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Funny

    I must say, I've never been one of the Roland haters on slashdot, but then I never knew that he wears orange glasses with a matching shirt

    -Grey

  21. Zombie tradition by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm not sure why people insist on keeping this farce alive. I think the parents are duped even more than the kids are, based on my own experience...long before anyone stopped pretending that Santa existed around me, I knew what was up. I got a bittersweet kick out of watching grown men and women tell bald-faced lies to my face. And I played them like marionettes, inventing new devious questions about Santa; just enough to make them visibly scramble for an answer, but not enough to make them think I knew the truth. Yet it was pretty disgusting to see adults try to pull one over on kids, depending on their innocence and lack of experience to bully children into nonsense for their own amusement.

    Seriously...at what point does someone think it's a good idea to lie to their children like this? Don't give me that shit about it being a good life experience for children to realize not everything is true. You can find a million other examples to show them, without perpetrating a huge falsehood on your own. It's wrong, you know it's wrong, and you will still try to justify it. Because you enjoy, in a sadistic way, the total power you exert over your children. You love playing the propaganda machine and dictator, and threatening them with retribution from a farce you concocted, and watching them squirm. Yet ten years later, you'll be so fucking ignorant as to why your children never listen to you, or trust that what you have to say might be good advice. Well...they may be right.

    Lying is wrong, and will have repercussions. Don't buy into this "magical experience" bullshit. You're setting the kids, and yourself, up for a totally unnecessary disappointment. Don't give in to your sick little urge to play god with the helpless, innocent natives.

    1. Re:Zombie tradition by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 1
      Seriously...at what point does someone think it's a good idea to lie to their children like this?


      The problem is the other parents. Try raising a child not to believe in Santa and you will be quickly ostracized by other parents. Plus, you don't think any of those parents are going to let your kid play with theirs when the holidays roll around, do you?

      -Grey
    2. Re:Zombie tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > The problem is the other parents. Try raising a child not to believe in Santa and you will be quickly ostracized by other parents.
      > Plus, you don't think any of those parents are going to let your kid play with theirs when the holidays roll around, do you?

      s/Santa/Jesus/g

    3. Re:Zombie tradition by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We've taken a different tack on Santa Claus than most parents. It resembles your attitude, minus the bitter hostility and swearing. :)

      Our son is almost 2.5 years old, and he can already identify Santa Claus as being the fat guy with the beard in the red suit. We haven't told him what Santa Claus (purportedly) is or does; he's simply got a label for the "fat bearded guy in red suit" image now.

      We'll answer any questions he asks, truthfully; at most, we're likely to tell him that Santa Claus is someone who travels around each Christmas leaving presents for children, in order to celebrate the Winter Solstice. We're going to leave out the naughty/nice thing (punishments and rewards for bad/good behavior are, it turns out, not a good idea). We're definitely going to leave Jesus out of it (we're atheists), except maybe to explain that that's what certain people believe the winter holiday is about.

      My mother-in-law once said that Santa is like a "practice God" for kids to believe in, and I pretty much agree; but I'm not going to pretend he doesn't exist as an entity in our culture, and our son is going to have questions about him.

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    4. Re:Zombie tradition by reddog093 · · Score: 0
      Well, by looking at it from a different perspective it seems to be more justifiable to support this "lie" to your children. Mainly, the look on your child's face when he opens up a present to see exactly what he wanted. Christmas is a time of family and, for our children, we instill a sense of "magic" to put the children in a wonderous awe. Sure it's a lie, but it's a lie that, for most kids, makes them very very happy. Sure, I was sad when I found out that Santa didn't exist, but hey I got about 9 years of belief when I was younger. I remember trying to stay up all night with my brother to see if we could "catch" Santa and trying to figure the fat guy out. I know when I have kids that I will continue with the tradition. Who knows, maybe I'll even get my kid "An official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time" Plus, it keeps the kids in line for about a month for fear of coal :)

      Or would you rather tell your 6 year old that we live in a cold, godless, harsh world where evil and greed runs wild...I'll stick w/ Santa for now. When they find out, they'll get over it.

    5. Re:Zombie tradition by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously...at what point does someone think it's a good idea to lie to their children like this?

      And then wonder why their kids don't believe a word they say when they're a bit older.

      Frankly I've always found the myth of people exchanging gifts out of love and kindness for each other far more asthetically pleasing than some fat guy trying to stuff himself down the chimmney, even if just as mythological.

      KFG

    6. Re:Zombie tradition by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Christmas is a time of family and, for our children, we instill a sense of "magic" to put the children in a wonderous awe.

      Such a revolting cliche, I'm sure you didn't invent it yourself. You yourself are mindlessly repeating the same bullshit that was crammed down your throat at some point. Surely the truth is closer to: Christmas is my vacation time and, for our own purposes, we lie to instill a sense of "fear" to get the little bastards to sit still once in a fucking minute.

      Or would you rather tell your 6 year old that we live in a cold, godless, harsh world where evil and greed runs wild.

      More like, at this point, you're trapped in your own lie and will procrastinate telling the kids you've been lying to them. You can't escape that eventuality. The stress must really be killing you. But then again, you get to use your advantage in years and intelligence to play mind games with them, isn't that fun?

    7. Re:Zombie tradition by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      No problem. Tell them Santa is a game that parents like to play (which it is) and that some kids believe in him.

      I think I stopped with the santa stuff myself when I was old enough to read (about 5 or 6) since it was obvious that if santa came he didn't actually leave any presents... they were already there under the tree and they were from my parents, not a guy in a red suit.

    8. Re:Zombie tradition by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or would you rather tell your 6 year old that we live in a cold, godless, harsh world where evil and greed runs wild...I'll stick w/ Santa for now. When they find out, they'll get over it.

      No I'd rather tell a 6 year old that that people care about each other enough to give each other presents.. proving that greed doesn't have to run wild unless you let it.

      OTOH you can tell him about a guy in a red suit who gives children exactly what they want on demand, and turn them into greedy consumers before they're 8.

    9. Re:Zombie tradition by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but Santa Claus does exist. Sure, there isn't really a fat man in a red suit with flying reindeer. That icon is just a personification of the Christmas spirit. What he symbolizes most certainly does exist. At least it does for me. As far as I'm concerned, Santa Claus is inside of everyone. Except maybe cynical folks like yourself.

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    10. Re:Zombie tradition by reddog093 · · Score: 1

      OTOH you can tell him about a guy in a red suit who gives children exactly what they want on demand, and turn them into greedy consumers before they're 8.
      Touché :)

    11. Re:Zombie tradition by Zzeep · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more. More important, it is stupid to think that children enjoy it more when they think Santa Claus is real. We live in the Netherlands, so Sinterklaas is celebrated here more than Santa Clause. While most of the little children think Sinterklaas is real, I always told my kids that Sinterklaas isn't real. Yes, there was a bishop several hundred years ago that did good things, so we are celebrating his birthday, but Sinterklaas doesn't exist anymore now. Do they sing Sinterklaas songs less loud than other kids? No! Do they enjoy Sinterklaas less than other kids? No, I think the opposite. A lot of kids are afraid of Sinterklaas, my kids aren't, because they know it is just a guy in a costume. They also don't believe in the tooth fairy or easter bunny, like they also don't think little red riding hood is actually running around in the forest, and they know that if you kiss a frog, it won't turn into a prince or princess.

    12. Re:Zombie tradition by Coucho · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you didn't get enough love from mommy and daddy at a young age.

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    13. Re:Zombie tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > As far as I'm concerned, Santa Claus is inside of everyone. Except maybe cynical folks like yourself.

      "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
        - G. B. Shaw

    14. Re:Zombie tradition by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Completely agree with you. If our kids can't trust us to tell them the truth about Santa, what can they trust us with? Do parents who lie to their kids really think there are no consequences when the kid finds out?

    15. Re:Zombie tradition by Trillan · · Score: 1

      The Santa people present to their children is not only not the personification of the Christmas spirit, but is counter to it. Part of the myth is that Santa delivers presents to good children only, and lumps of coal to the bad. If you carry this to the extreme, it means that if you do something really bad on December 25th, it means that a year later you get no present, and nothing you can do in that year will make any difference. Is the Christmas spirit that judgmental? Do you really think the personification of that spirit should be judgmental?

    16. Re:Zombie tradition by localman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, that's a pretty harsh reaction. I'm not a fan of lying to kids either, but I think you're forgetting some of what it's like to be a kid. I sure didn't take it like you're describing.

      I don't actually recall my parents making a big story out of Santa; I think I learned most of the story from books like "The Night Before Christmas", various television specials, and talking with friends. Like most kids, fantasy blends with reality to a large degree and my world included lots of make believe. I didn't even really think about whether it was "real" or not until I was in the second grade. Up until that point Santa was in the same category to me as Big Bird on Sesame Street, my lego cars being real cars, and my teddy bear having feelings. These fantasies are all exploratory for a child, and I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted parents who blasted me with reality every time I brought them up. As it was they played along.

      When a friend finally told me that Santa wasn't real, I was skeptical, but also realized that he might be right. I went home to my parents and they told me the truth (as they understood it): there was no more Santa, but it was a tradition of giving that was started by some old fellow St. Nicholas, and that what was important was the spirit of Santa Claus. Not the mystical spirit, but the spirit of giving to each other, particularly those in need. My young mind thought about it, and I think it was a perfectly reasonable growing experience. I didn't have any resentment towards my parents.

      So I agree with you that lying to your kids is bad. But there is make believe play that is important for child development and Santa Claus seems a perfectly reasonable part of that. I've known people who had realistic and unplayful parents and they seem to have more resentment than I do. Think about it.

      Happy holidays.

    17. Re:Zombie tradition by Soko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously...at what point does someone think it's a good idea to lie to their children like this? Don't give me that shit about it being a good life experience for children to realize not everything is true. You can find a million other examples to show them, without perpetrating a huge falsehood on your own. It's wrong, you know it's wrong, and you will still try to justify it. Because you enjoy, in a sadistic way, the total power you exert over your children. You love playing the propaganda machine and dictator, and threatening them with retribution from a farce you concocted, and watching them squirm. Yet ten years later, you'll be so fucking ignorant as to why your children never listen to you, or trust that what you have to say might be good advice. Well...they may be right.

      Have issues with our parents, do we? I haven't heard such vitriol in quite some time. Power? Sadism? Please put down the broad brush you're painting with. It's filled with venom.

      It's not a lie - it's a fantasy. It's an opportunity to experience innocence before it is too quickly gone. I didn't lie to my kids - they knew early on that Santa wasn't a real person, but even after they knew, they still played along because it was fun. Fun for them, fun for us. How am I being a dictator doing that?

      I hope you can let go of some of your anger before you have your own kids, friend, lest they be immune to the spirit that St. Nick is supposed to represent - giving, sharing and caring for our fellow humans.

      Soko

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    18. Re:Zombie tradition by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Although I agree about the anger, "it isn't lie, it's fantasy" doesn't help. The difference between a lie and a fantasy is that people know that fantasy isn't true. If your kid knows the truth, there's no harm in sharing the fantasy. If your kid doesn't know the truth, it's a lie.

    19. Re:Zombie tradition by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Oops. Came across a bit wrong there. If I could edit my post, I'd add this to the end of that post: You are playing it as a fantasy. That's exactly how I plan to do it with my son. But I think "fantasy" is also too broad a brush to paint everyone with. It's clearly a lie for some.

    20. Re:Zombie tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ;) Probably the same that play WoW for days....

    21. Re:Zombie tradition by E++99 · · Score: 0
      We'll answer any questions he asks, truthfully; at most, we're likely to tell him that Santa Claus is someone who travels around each Christmas leaving presents for children, in order to celebrate the Winter Solstice.

      I'm not sure how answering truthfully equates to saying that Santa exists; but more to the point, why on earth would you lie about what Santa is purported to give gifts in celebration of??? You think he's not going to figure out the truth of that at some point? And wonder why you lied to conceal the existence of Christianity?

      We're definitely going to leave Jesus out of it (we're atheists), except maybe to explain that that's what certain people believe the winter holiday is about.

      Which winter holiday is that? Oh, you mean CHRISTMAS? Am I following you correctly, that you are going to instruct you child that some people believe that Christmas is about Jesus, but it's really about the winter solstice???

      We're going to leave out the naughty/nice thing (punishments and rewards for bad/good behavior are, it turns out, not a good idea).

      WWWWOW. Very enlightened. Good luck with the age of three. Self control needs to be taught. It's not automatic. Children learn it primarily through consequences. Those who don't learn it, suffer from its lack for their entire lives. The age of three is the primary time for this to take place. If it's learned then, it's usually just a matter of very occasional reinforcement.
    22. Re:Zombie tradition by E++99 · · Score: 1
      Seriously...at what point does someone think it's a good idea to lie to their children like this?... Don't buy into this "magical experience" bullshit

      I agree to a point about the lying. We've never played up Santa or told our kids anything that wasn't true about it. It doesn't seem right to lie, and our kids depend on our credibility for so many things. However I think you're wrong to discount the "magic". Our younger two kids, 5 & 7, believe Santa exists, although our older two never did. And the sense of magic it adds to Christmastime for them is really worth something, I think. They ended up believing because of the older kids, or from kids at school. The 7ro was recently overheard to say, "I used to think that Santa didn't exist, but now I know that he really does." I know... mixed up kid. But seriously, it seems like a good thing, as long as it wasn't something that their parents pushed them to believe. As Christians, there's more than enough for children and adults alike to be in awe of at Christmas, so it really plays no significant part for us. But for children in families that aren't Christian or aren't religious, I sort of feel like it helps to spread a similar sense of wonder associated with the holiday for them as well, if it's done right.
    23. Re:Zombie tradition by Raist1280 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, I don't know why people get so hung up on this, but I feel compelled to put my $0.02 into this discussion.

      First and foremost, telling your children that Santa Claus is real is not a lie, Santa is quite real, but it isn't the person that's real, it's the CONCEPT. Santa Claus is a personification of kindness and goodwill, of giving to others for all the right reasons. I realized from a rather young age that there was no person named Santa Claus who dropped down the chimney and left presents under the tree for me, but it's not about some random person, it's about the spirit of Christmas, it's something almost magical about people being selfless for no purpose other than to see the joy it's brings to those they love. Santa is a big part of what makes Christmas a beautiful holiday, and it doesn't seem right to me to deny my children (when I have them) that experience. Sure, they'll come to realize the fiction in the story, the same as I did, but they'll also come to understand the real message behind the story.

    24. Re:Zombie tradition by shoemilk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah! That's it! You tell them, those liars! I'm so totally with you man! The hell if I'm going to let my kids read fiction!

    25. Re:Zombie tradition by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how answering truthfully equates to saying that Santa exists

      Santa Claus the character travels around the world giving gifts on Christmas, and that's what we're going to tell our son when he's old enough to comprehend it (which won't be long). Sorry I didn't make it blindingly clear enough for you to comprehend. :)

      Which winter holiday is that? Oh, you mean CHRISTMAS? Am I following you correctly, that you are going to instruct you child that some people believe that Christmas is about Jesus, but it's really about the winter solstice???

      Early Christians chose to celebrate Jesus's birth on Dec. 25 to co-opt pagan solstice celebrations -- AFTER they'd spent two or three centuries celebrating it on January 6th. God knows where they got that date, but there's no record ANYWHERE of when Jesus was born. At any rate, humans had been celebrating the winter solstice for millennia before Jesus lived, and the practice of gift-giving on the solstice and nearby holidays also predates Jesus. Christmas, as it's widely celebrated in the U.S., has very few Christian elements to it. Unless you go into a church. We don't. :)

      Our son will probably be at least 5 or 6 before we can really explain the history of Christianity to him; but the ultimate "reason for the season" is the Earth's axial tilt, not Jesus. "Christmas" per se is about Jesus, obviously, but Christmas owes its position and function and, really, just about all of its commonly-celebrated aspects to the solstice, not Jesus or Christianity. Don't be one of those people who thinks that without Jesus, nobody would be celebrating the solstice.

      Good luck with the age of three. Self control needs to be taught. It's not automatic. Children learn it primarily through consequences. Those who don't learn it, suffer from its lack for their entire lives. The age of three is the primary time for this to take place. If it's learned then, it's usually just a matter of very occasional reinforcement.

      *snicker* Spoken like someone who has no kids, or has never considered any kind of parenting that didn't involve punishment. Our son routinely says "please" and "thank you" (and has for 6+ months), and we have never once ordered him to or withheld anything until he did. We simply say it to each other and to him when appropriate, and he picked it up. Our son will clean up an entire boxful of Duplos after playing with it for 20 minutes without anyone even mentioning it. Pulls out the box, dumps it out, plays for a while, then decides it's time to clean up and puts everything away. He's been doing THAT for three months.

      Punishing kids for things when they don't understand why they shouldn't do it is nothing but harmful; and rewards focus kids on what to do to get the reward, not on why the behavior is desirable in its own right. You talk about "consequences"; but there are plenty of natural consequences that kids suffer from doing things they're not supposed to, without parents adding in artificial consequences that don't have any relationship to the action they're supposedly punishing.

      To give an example: Clean up your toys or you get no ice cream. What the heck does cleaning up toys have to do with ice cream? What helps kids learn is to point out that having toys underfoot is painful, and when toys don't get put away they're more likely to get lost. Not having your feet poked (or landing face-first on a Lego; toddlers are clumsy), and being able to find the toys you like is reason enough to clean them up. Adding an artificial punishment (no ice cream if you don't do it!) or reward (ice cream if you do this!) simply makes kids hate putting away their toys, and resent you for withholding ice cream for what seem to them to be (and are) arbitrary reasons.

      Heh, here's another example: While I was writing this, my son wandered into the room holding a little

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    26. Re:Zombie tradition by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is evidence that Jesus was born in March or April as he was born during the time of the Roman Census. Although that could be inaccurate because Roman emperors often messed around with the calendar.

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    27. Re:Zombie tradition by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Further evidence can be had from the fact it was the lambing season in Palestine at the time, about March/April.

      The new "star" over Bethlehem described in the bible also helps us determine when it might have been.

    28. Re:Zombie tradition by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      I was trying to think, what my view is on 'santa' Then I thought why am I doing this it's christmas day!
      Merry Christmas my fellow Slashdot readers, lets go and spend sometime with some of the people important in our lives and have some fun.

    29. Re:Zombie tradition by Darby · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is evidence that Jesus was born in March or April as he was born during the time of the Roman Census.

      Well, technically the best guess that can be made from the bible gives something like that as Jesus' birthdate.
      Actually, there is no credible evidence that there ever was such a person.

    30. Re:Zombie tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By star, you mean Hale-Bopp 2000 years ago?

  22. Forget Santa... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What's the deal with the Easter Bunny and eggs?

    1. Re:Forget Santa... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      What's the deal with the Easter Bunny and eggs?

      That is how they grow and hatch elves. Elves cannot grow in cold climates so they put elf eggs all over warm suburban yards where little kids find them and break them open when they are ripe. Then the 4th of July scares the elves back to the North Pole. Like dogs, they hate loud sounds. It's all part of Krebb's Holiday Cycle.

      (Yeah, I know, my kids are gonna be F'd up. That is my revenge for them trashing my music equipment and losing the TV remote control.)

    2. Re:Forget Santa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be careful. Because their revenge for your revenge will be to put you in the cheapest retirement home that's ever been featured on a 60 Minutes Elderly Abuse Special :)

    3. Re:Forget Santa... by Darby · · Score: 1


      That is how they grow and hatch elves. Elves cannot grow in cold climates so they put elf eggs all over warm suburban yards where little kids find them and break them open when they are ripe. Then the 4th of July scares the elves back to the North Pole. Like dogs, they hate loud sounds. It's all part of Krebb's Holiday Cycle.


      LOL. Did you come up with this yourself? That's hilarious.

  23. All I know by shawn443 · · Score: 1

    Is that the first time one of my boys asks me if Santa is real, I will confirm his suspicion. If I play cute, and my boy goes on the playground saying "My dad says Santa is real!", I am doing neither of us a favor. I will also threaten him not to tell is little brother. Santa is easy, I imagine when they starting asking me the same questions I have about God.

  24. Coming up next... by x2A · · Score: 1

    While Santa was delivering presents, his famous book, which lists all the boys and girls as either being good or bad over the past year, was stolen. The book was protected with "Secure Present Flight" which should have kept it secure, but it is now believed that this information has fallen into the hands of advertising agencies, and the government, threatening privacy and personal freedom everywhere. This is the third theft of this kind just this month, all over the world people are asking "how safe is all this information being collected about me?", and all over the world they're finding the answer is a very certain "shhh!".

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    1. Re:Coming up next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      May I have a copy of the California, Female, 21 - 25 year old, 5'2 - 5'5, 110 - 125 pound, blonde, naughty list?

  25. Well by doomy · · Score: 1

    I don't believe Santa exists.

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  26. Santa also knows your income. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is why poor kids get Sweet F.A.

  27. Wiki wiki wiki wiki, shut up. by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no Santa Claus.

    But there was.

    No easter bunny. No unicorns

    Is this close enough? Even the giant unicorn is only as dead as the dodo.

    mermaids

    There are mermaids, but society doesn't know how to accommodate them, so the tail is split into two legs.

    dragons

    Commode? Oh.

    fairies

    O RLY?

    space aliens we know of, etc...

    Has there ever been an astronaut from one country lift off in another country's spacecraft? If so, that's a space alien.

    As Newcleus put it, "Wiki wiki wiki wiki, shut up."

    1. Re:Wiki wiki wiki wiki, shut up. by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      How the hell are gay people fairies? And alien doesn't mean an American who went up on a Russian ship but a person with permanent residence in a country who isn't a citizen of said country. And "space alien" doesn't mean one of those in a Soyuz or Shuttle but an alien from space. Aside from that and your omission of the Easter Bunny, that list is fine.

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  28. Not scientific by LGagnon · · Score: 2, Funny

    This article seems quite preposterous. As Richard Dawkins points out, belief in Santa is unscientific.

    1. Re:Not scientific by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      No shit batman. Of course it's unscientific. So is caring about your family, eating turkey, giving to charity.. millions of things are unscientific. Doesn't make them bad. Not everything has to be about science.

    2. Re:Not scientific by LGagnon · · Score: 1

      Check the link. I was making a joke based on the parody of Dawkins in the link.

    3. Re:Not scientific by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      The GP was using unscientific in the sense of an insufficiently validated belief. You are using it of words to which either it or its negation cannot apply. Adjectival Type error.

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  29. Dr. Who by Ksevio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously Santa uses time lord technology to fly his sleigh around and store all the presents inside it. It's bigger on the inside than the outside.

  30. Santa has kept up with the times by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Oh come on. Everybody knows that Santa has kept up with the times. The sleigh and reindeer were used at first. At the dawn of the industrial revolution he switched most of his distribution network to rail. Hence the recurring motif of toy trains as a present--they were tchachkis(sp?) that rail executives gave ol Nic when they were competing for his business. He re-gifted a lot of them, the kids turned out to like them, and the idea got traction. The sleigh does, and continues, to make "good will" tours and show up in various random locations; but Santa contracts most of the delivery out to UPS and Fedex, and the list is maintained by a peer-reviewed volunteer staff who also maintain the "naughty or nice" database. I think it uses MySQL. Santa is up on all the latest tech. He ain't no Luddite, so sleep in heavenly peace tonight. Christmas will come.

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    1. Re:Santa has kept up with the times by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Santa uses MYSQL? Oh god, we're screwed.

  31. I'm sure there's a... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...beowulf cluster involved somehow!

  32. National Santa by wayward_bruce · · Score: 1
    Silverberg is not so naïve as to think that Santa and his reindeer can travel approximately 200 million square miles - making stops in some 80 million homes - in one night. Instead, he posits that Santa uses his knowledge of the space/time continuum to form what Silverberg calls "relativity clouds."
    Ho ho ho, this Santa seems to care only about American kids. USA != World. For the last time.
    1. Re:National Santa by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It seems to me someone capable of manufacturing stuff with no raw materials and going that fast could do something worthwhile with it rather than giving rich kids more junk that they don't need (he doesn't visit poor kids. Gotta keep the workers down y'know).

      Santa is a selfish bastard really.

      Hell, even Bill Gates manages to give to charity... what has Santa ever done?

  33. Tom Servo explains by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 1

    Mystery Science Theater explains Santa Better than anyone:

    Tom: It's quiet in the cold of our own little orbit, starless and bible black. And as I look down on the big blue beam we would call home I think it so near, yet... oh, I wish on that star and I hope that in a little snow-covered house with a warm hearth and a loving family, maybe some kid is looking up tonight and wishing upon us. Oh, and how I hope sweet Santa will fly by tonight, because if he does I'm gonna reach right out and hug that big guy. Oh, for the sound of hooves against the steel hull of the ship. Oh, to see the rosy face of Santa in the porthole, offering me a Coke and a smile... (gradually becoming upset) ...of course, his cheeks WOULD be rosy because it's a VACUUM out there! I mean, Santa's HEART would explode! (becoming hysterical) But HE wouldn't feel it because the capillaries in his brain would pop like little firecrackers (Joel tries to calm him down) due to the blood boiling away in his face like pudding in a copper...OH THE HUMANITY!! (Now both Joel and Crow are trying to calm him down.) And his jolly old belly would start bubbling like a roasted marshmallow, eyes bulging and popping out... AND THE REINDEER--OH THE REINDEER!!!--keep bloating like holiday floats and in turn exploding in a hail of blood and entrails! Prancer--BOOM! Dancer--BOOM!...
    Joel: HEY!
    Crow: Tom!
    Joel: Tom, take it easy! Santa's gonna be okay, buddy.
    Tom: You sure?
    Joel: Yeah, give him a little credit, okay?
    Tom: Phew, what a relief!

  34. I have four words for you: by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rudolph the Red-shift Reindeer.

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  35. Logic of Santa by archeopterix · · Score: 1

    I prefer a much stronger, purely logical proof that Santa exists, which I read in a respected mathematical journal a few years ago. We will prove that Santa exists by proving a stronger statement, namely that an existing Santa exists. Clearly, exactly one of the following holds true:
    a) Existing Santa exists.
    b) Existing Santa does not exist.
    Consider b. It is a contradiction, so it is false. Then a) must be true, therefore existing Santa exists, therefore Santa exists. QED.

    1. Re:Logic of Santa by psiclops · · Score: 1

      but, b) Existing Santa does not exist is not a contradiction.

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  36. Re:Santa DID show up my house last year - see vide by mackyrae · · Score: 1
    For the rest of you, It's safe to say that most of the nay-saying geeks out there will wash out of the gene pool by virtue of being unable to procreate (you need to sleep with a girl to do so).

    That's why there's test tube babies--to counteract all the stupid non-geeks and their disgusting procreative sex crap. The more sex can be avoided, the better.
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  37. its all lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    santas bag is just like dr whos tartis - bigger on the inside than the outside.

  38. And if you believe that....Wrench Wench. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's ok. I'm still playing with last year's Gadget.

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  39. Not Science... Law! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Yes. It is time to turn our attention to the evil that Santa commits. Does his magic also allow him to commit more acts of copyright, patent, and trademark infringement in one night than even the worst pirates do in a whole year? This red suited criminal is stealing millions of dollars of potential revenue from poor starving artists and RIAA executives.

    Any decent artist out there want to make up a cartoon depicting the RIAA suing Santa in a courtroom?

  40. I Thought Santa Was Dead! by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Lobo - "Hit Man to the Stars" - was contracted by the Easter Bunny to hit Santa. Lobo killed Santa after invading Santa's heavily defended compound along with his bulldog.

    Lobo and the bulldog slaughtered the heavily armed (with pop guns) ELF (Elf Lethal Force) militia, then Lobo called Santa out. Santa, appearing as a burly, cigar-smoking, tattooed biker, whipped out a kukri, whereupon Lobo followed suit, and it was on. Both sides got in a few licks until Lobo chopped off Santa's head.

    Afterwards, Lobo took over the advanced manufacturing facility and converted it to making nuclear and chemical weapons.

    So anything you get from "Santa" tonight is likely to make you - and the rest of your town - glow in the dark.

    George Bush, informed of the nuclear capability of the North Pole, has dismissed the threat, saying "Lobo is not a Shiite - or a Sunni - or whatever that religion is."

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  41. And that is the answer... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. And that is the answer.

  42. No, but... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    No, but it does prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that rich people are good and poor people are bad. Just look at how much more and better stuff the rich kids get.

  43. Since we're making up science on things that don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exist, why don't we come up with some physics on Moses or the resurrection of Jesus? I'd really like to know what the science community says about them.

  44. DMCA? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

    "He uses a nano-toymaker to fabricate toys grown atom by atom inside the children's homes. "

    Are toy manufacturers aware of Santa's gross disregard of their intellectual property?
    I smell a massive lawsuit with a settlement in the order of (pinky to mouth) a BRAZILLIAN DOLLARS!

    Santa cannot be allowed to continue this flagrant violation of the law. Millions of gainfully employed people in toy factories stand to lose their jobs, due to the selfish actions of this one criminal. Action must be taken, now, so that those good people - whose creativity and hard work provide happiness to untold millions - can continue to work, be paid and thus are able to buy the things to make their life complete.

    So, release the hounds! Apply the full force of the law on his ass. For great justice!!

    Merry Christmas.

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    There is a lot of hype here.
    1. Re:DMCA? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
      it's those damn socialist northern countries at fault for this!!! Think.. Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Russia, Germany, Canada.... Santa is a conspiracy by socialist powers that don't respect proper IP law. The retail chain stores are hurting this year. Santa bringing "free" presents will mean more mommies and daddies out of work next year. Forget DVD John or AllofMP3.. the motherload is SANTA CLAUS! He's copying everything from toys, to books, to CDs and DVDs, to whole computers... At least he respects trade secrets and doesn't release toys early. I wonder if there is some collusion going on here between Santa and the Toy companies... perhaps they look the other way as long as he doesn't steal the new toy designs?

      there's also the national security front! If Santa is magically popping down chimneys, who's to say where else he may be getting into? have his elves been checked out for baggage handling... those toys could be tainted by Al-queda operatives... you know those shady organizations might be working together. IS santa cleared with the TSA and FAA for air travel? He needs to provide his 23 points of identification to get thru customs as he's not a US citizen... and why the hell are we allowing non-us-citizens into our airspace? Norad tracks Santa, it's time they bring him in for questioning... hopefully he won't be an "enemy combatant"! He's already evading customs decelerations and not registering for tax purposes!! This guy is a lawbreaking menace and MUST be stopped!!!

      I won't be sleeping easy knowing that a foreign agent is working in our boarders this holiday.

    2. Re:DMCA? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      And in retaliation Santa will open source his nanotech and put them ALL out of business...

      Or maybe become the Pied Piper and use his nanotech to lure away all the "good little boys and girls" to the North Pole and teach them to become nanotech anarchists.

      Santa needs to prove his nanotech is for "peaceful purposes only". That's it! Have the UN Security Council pass a resolution imposing sanctions on him and preventing his Christmas sleigh ride until he proves his nanotech does not have a "uranium enrichment" component or is capable of being converted into a WMD! Send warships to the North Pole to put pressure on Santa! Have a renegade group of dissident elves spy on his facilities and pass information directly to Dick Cheney's office (bypassing the weak-kneed CIA) PROVING that Santa is a radical with anti-Western ideas! (And by the way, check for oil and gas reserves under the North Pole...)

      Have AIPAC lobby against Santa on the grounds that by delivering toys to Palestinians children, he is a support of terrorism and anti-Israel and therefore anti-Semitic as well! Olmert has already announced that Israel will bulldoze any sleighs or reindeer found in the West Bank as a means of preventing the importation of illegal weapons!

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    3. Re:DMCA? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


      And we've just noticed that Santa is dressed all in RED! This means Putin and his KGB thugs are involved!

      All toys recieved by children tomorrow should be checked for Polonium-210 contamination!

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  45. Re:Jesus WTF ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> anything to perpetuate this Bull Shit holiday ..

    Agreed, Christmas is a Bull Shit holiday....

    Actually, Sinterclaas died in December 6, 342.

    As for the legend of Jesus, I think he was supposed to be born in the spring according to the book of legends.

  46. The Physics of Jesus? by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 1

    Was quantum physics involved to allow a person to walk on water? Was a cloning process involved to allow a virgin to have a baby? Or should we not try to compare a legend with reality?

  47. Let me apologise before hand. by baKanale · · Score: 1

    Santa Claus and his crew really can deliver presents in one night because of their advanced knowledge of electromagnetic waves, the space/time continuum, nanotechnology, genetic engineering and computer science.

    Well then, I for one welcome our new jolly overlords.

  48. Oh no, here we go again by Filik · · Score: 1

    I was wondering what kind of quantum physics theory or statistical model were going to be explaining Santa this Christmas...

    And I was actually disappointed, because it looks like it has become a tradition. Enough already, this isn't news anymore, however entertaining it might be for the next generation.

  49. i have one word for you by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    TARDIS it would seem logical that the Lord of the North would share some bits of the whole TimeLord thing so

    1 the riendeer are in fact alien (heck shiny red nose!! )
    2 the presents are inside the tardis (or are being made in the tardis
    3 he does a stop time thing to do it all in one night

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  50. Santa exists or prove he doesnt exist by bxbaser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean isnt that the current test of if something exists, it cant be proven to not exist.

  51. cousin eddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you serious Clark?

  52. The OBVIOUS solution for Santa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the world's Christian population rose past a certain point some time ago, Santa had to switch to the Infinite Improbability Drive, which "passes through every conceivable point in every conceivable universe almost simultaneously." Just flip the switch and drop the gifts, everywhere at once. Perfect!!!

  53. Sheez... the solution is in Futurama... by Der+PC · · Score: 1

    They didn't watch S05E11 (Three hundred big boys) ?

    A hundred cups of coffee and he'll be able to deliver in an instant.

    (Same idea was then reused in over the hedge where once character consumes a single can of caffeine, stopping time).

    Caffeine is the answer. Lots of it. First stop, Brazil :)

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  54. Economics is leading towards a Santa Clause by heroine · · Score: 1

    All the toys in the world are currently made in China and sent out on a certain number of ocean freighters. That's a lot closer to the Santa Clause legend than it was 100 years ago, when there was no single place where all the world's manufacturing was done.

    As we move forward, the world's toys have to be manufactured in fewer and fewer places by fewer and fewer people because it's more efficient to manufacture all the world's products in one place. The world's toys are being transported by fewer vehicles making longer trips because transportation is expensive.

    When Chinese labor becomes too expensive, we'll probably have to do all manufacturing in more inhospitable places like the North Pole.

    Before mail order/online shopping, everyone transported their own presents in their own cars. Now a smaller number of UPS trucks and FedEx trucks deliver most of the presents. We're going to have fewer and fewer couriers until eventually one single vehicle takes all the toys from the North Pole and transports them to everyone in the world.

    Maybe when Chinese discover how to warp spacetime, this annual shipment will take only 24 hours.

  55. Re:Santa DID show up my house last year - see vide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you need to sleep with a girl to do so Fortunately you don't need consent though.
  56. Zombies? One day... by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

    well, good riddance. I don't need my kids playing with a bunch of ignorant children. Children who are fed lies so that their parents can placate their consciences for a year by showering them with gifts, so the parents can go back to ignoring their children and pursuing the great god Mammon. All the while making the children into good little consumer-robots, little automatons prepackaged for introduction into commercial society. One day, when my children rise up and break the backs of the global power-mad commercial entity, your kids will be the first to go. All because of Santa. Merry fscking xmas.

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  57. Santa Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the article was about Santa, not Jesus.
    As you pointed out, it's the wrong time to celebrate that legend.

    Sinter Klaas was born in 280 and died December 6, 342.
    The traditional day to honor his life was December 6 for that reason.

    I wonder if we dressed up a fat Jesus in a funny suit if the myth of him would become to blatant.

  58. But what about a Beowulf cluster of Santa's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way Santa could possibly do his job is to use distributed-processing present-distributing technology. I have already filed a patent on "the claims of section 1, using the Internet and a plurality of one-click parents" My company, Unterseeboot Technologies GMBH, will license the above process for a nominal fee of 2% of the credit card processing costs, or 1.9% if using Paypal.

  59. No need for a time warp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once the Chinese have their moonbase, they'll just ship the goods from there.

    Seeing as both Santa and the Moon only come out during the Night, it's the ideal central toy depot.

  60. News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Satan.. errr Santa = The Anti-christ.

  61. Fairy defined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell are gay people fairies?

    fairy n. Offensive. A homosexual man. But I wouldn't use that to a gay man's face.