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Electronic Paper Plant to be Built in Germany

Aqua_boy17 writes "BBC News is reporting today that Cambridge based firm PlasticLogic is set to build the world's first manufacturing facility dedicated to producing plastic circuits. In particular the company is focused on developing flexible plastic circuits that cost much less than silicon and would soon enable electronic paper devices that could be used to store large amounts of text and other data. The company has secured $100 million in venture capital and is set to build its first facility in Dresden, Germany. Construction of the facility should be completed by 2008 according to the article. Industry experts expect market demand for this technology to approach $30 billion by the year 2015."

105 comments

  1. What...? by fabs64 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The summary contradicts the headline :-S

    1. Re:What...? by Psychotria · · Score: 2, Informative

      The company has secured $100 million in venture capital and is set to build its first facility in Dresden, Germany

      Yep, looks like a contradiction to me. You're 100% wrong :-)

    2. Re:What...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all in how you read it. Try this (although I'm not sure how the op meant it):

      Electronic paper plant to be built in Germany.

    3. Re:What...? by fabs64 · · Score: 1

      Read it any way you want, they don't make electronic paper, they make plastic circuits that could be useful in conjunction WITH electronic paper.

    4. Re:What...? by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's right. Read it any way you like, but it's still not a contradiction.

    5. Re:What...? by Sique · · Score: 1

      Better not. AMD's Fab30 and Fab36 are also there, and where would we be without Athlons and Opterons? (For mapping addicted: Dresden-Wilschdorf, Germany)

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    6. Re:What...? by smallfries · · Score: 2, Informative

      Electronic paper is not made of paper. It's a marketing term for flexible displays made from charged two-colour particles that can be realigned. Electronic paper is infact (confusingly for you) made from plastic. So there is no contridiction in the title, it is an electronic plastic plant that will be used to make "electronic paper".

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    7. Re:What...? by URSpider · · Score: 2, Informative
      The summary contradicts the headline :-S


      What the summary is missing is that the polymer electronics built in this factory will be laminated to electrophoretic imaging materials made by E Ink Corporation to form flexible electronic paper displays. Thus, the final output of the factory will indeed be electronic paper.

    8. Re:What...? by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      I suppose the title would be better phrased as "Electronic Paper Component Plant...", rather than "Electronic Paper Plant...". That was the original poster's objection -- it's not making actual electronic paper, but components that could be used for electronic paper. It's a little like saying that a video card manufacturing plant is a computer manufacturing plant.

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    9. Re:What...? by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's true enough. The corporate website doesn't make it entirely clear what they're making. At one point they seem to claim the actual display materials, at another it's the "support electronics". The other strange thing is that they look suspiciously like an earlier Cambridge spinoff with a new name. Even the website layout was deja-vu. Is this E-Ink rebranding themselves for another tranche of funding?

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    10. Re:What...? by me-g33k · · Score: 1

      This is my question as well. I'm not sure just what they're going to make... Also have they made a new flexible conductor/logic unit (as referenced by 'circuit' in the article) based on plastic? Or are they merely putting the copper traces on plastic instead of traditional PCB? I wonder who makes the eInk displays now? I know the Sony is using them for their new readers but I am not sure where manufacturing is happening.

  2. So... by gadzook33 · · Score: 1, Funny

    what's a picture worth now? I can't keep track...

  3. Electronic paper... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Have technologists made that wonderful electronic paper where you can store your entire porn collection on one sheet?

    1. Re:Electronic paper... by SeaFox · · Score: 1, Funny

      I hope they laminated it.

    2. Re:Electronic paper... by Fist!+Of!+Death! · · Score: 1

      In 4 wonderful shades of greyscale...

      Of course technically a laptop screen is also a flexible plastic (albeit not quite as flexible) - old tech I tell you...

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  4. Electronic paper is the future. by ravee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Recently, I was viewing a TV program reviewing a number of cell phones (which are the current craze in India). And their findings was in terms of cost effectiveness and design, the Motorola MotoFone F3 was their choice. This cellphone is sold for just around $25. And how did they cut the cost so much ?

    Enter their unique display which uses Electronic paper which is developed by the US based E-Link. This cell phone doesn't need power to constantly display an image on the screen. It only needs a little charge when the text (or whatever) needs to be changed. The display stays on even when the battery is pulled out! And more over it is a beautiful phone sleek and thin.

    I believe more and more gadgets are going to be manufactured using this new technology. Sony has already released its e-book reader which has the same effects of reading a real book. So PlasticLogic the company is on to a good thing.

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    1. Re:Electronic paper is the future. by paperewerewolves · · Score: 1

      I think you meant E-Ink, not E-Link.

    2. Re:Electronic paper is the future. by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      I would agree, though I certainly hope they get past using plastic circuits. Wouldn't it be better to use something like this stuff? Or maybe something else?

  5. Wife by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I already store my entire porn collection on one sheet. Well, 1/2 actually.

    1. Re:Wife by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      Methinks one of us just had a 'whoosh!' moment and I don't think it was me.

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    2. Re:Wife by Danga · · Score: 1

      I got the joke and while it was funny and clever I was just saying IMO it would be boring to never look at porn and only ever see your partner naked. My gf actually tells me to get porn which I think is cool and we don't watch it all the time but it is fun every once in a while.

      No whoosh moment here.

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    3. Re:Wife by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      Ah, good stuff. Agree with you then and I take back the whoosh thang.

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  6. Finally! by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    An electronic paper Airplane!

  7. Ecological Horror by darkonc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you have any idea how many millions of electronic trees are going to die to feed this plant???!

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    1. Re:Ecological Horror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh those poor binary trees...

    2. Re:Ecological Horror by strider44 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the plant will grow and spread its seeds, and they will all come back.

    3. Re:Ecological Horror by StarfishOne · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, on the positive side: binary trees can grow very fast! :))

    4. Re:Ecological Horror by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Do you have any idea how many millions of electronic trees are going to die to feed this plant???!''

      So that's what has been causing ReiserFS corruption; they were chopping down the dancing trees!

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    5. Re:Ecological Horror by deoxyribonucleose · · Score: 1
      Well, on the positive side: binary trees can grow very fast! :))
      If so, let's hope they use red-black trees for easy balancing...
  8. Let me be the first to make this joke by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny
    Have technologists made that wonderful electronic paper where you can store your entire porn collection on one sheet?
    I can store 6 billion bits of information in a single piece of tissue paper.

    Although I never read the information in that format since I can rely on copies that are kept elsewhere.
    1. Re:Let me be the first to make this joke by vikingpower · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Tissue paper eh ? The next time I play with my secretary in the back of my car, I'll think twice before wiping our privates with Kleenex... I could be destroying vital data ( besides the DNA information contained in millions of spermatozoids )

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to make this joke by xoyoyo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In which case you have an extremely low sperm count. The human genome contains 3 billion base pairs which (as it's base 4) comes to about 4*(3*10^9)=12billion bits and there are roughly 280 million tadpoles in each puddle of love so actually your total data output is about 3,360,000,000,000,000,000 bits or 2.9 exabytes of data.

    3. Re:Let me be the first to make this joke by vikingpower · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, not a low sperm count. 99% of the information i.e. of the spermatozoids is still *inside* of the secretary when I wipe.

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    4. Re:Let me be the first to make this joke by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      The human genome contains 3 billion base pairs which (as it's base 4) comes to about 4*(3*10^9)=12billion bits

      A base 4 digit contains two bits of information, not four. 00, 01, 10, 11.

      and there are roughly 280 million tadpoles in each puddle of love so actually your total data output is about 3,360,000,000,000,000,000 bits

      That's wrong too. You can't just multiply by the count; each one contains a unique set of 3 billion bits which is always a different subset of the same 6 billion bits, chopped up into contiguous chunks. Unless you want to count the same information more than once if it appears in multiple places. But it's not as if each one is from a different guy.

    5. Re:Let me be the first to make this joke by xoyoyo · · Score: 1

      >> A base 4 digit contains two bits of information, not four. 00, 01, 10, 11.

      True, true, I was muddling my bases.

      >> That's wrong too. You can't just multiply by the count; each one contains a unique set of 3 billion bits which is always a different subset of the same 6 billion bits, chopped up into contiguous chunks. Unless you want to count the same information more than once if it appears in multiple places. But it's not as if each one is from a different guy.

      I left that out in the interests of low comedy, along with a number of other considerations such as the fact that the DNA in a single sperm is smaller than the total DNA in a non gamete cell because it's only half the DNA (haploid) and is missing the mitochondrial DNA.

  9. e-book vs dead-tree formats by Mogster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know a few people, myself included who dislike reading e-books due to the nature of the screen. Also it's not easy to curl up with a good e-book on a computer (laptops are too bulky and pocket pc screens are too small)

    If this works and can link with eInk screens to create an easily held, clearly visible book format then I'd be happy to switch away from the dead-tree format.

    And we'd save a few trees along the way

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    1. Re:e-book vs dead-tree formats by redcane · · Score: 1

      Every now and then you need to sacrafice convenience for the greater good. Every now and then you need to sacrafice convenience for the environment.

    2. Re:e-book vs dead-tree formats by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "I know a few people, myself included who dislike reading e-books due to the nature of the screen"

      The problem is not with the screen, it's with the interface. A book on a computer should be 3D and handle just like a book in the real world. Except you dont have to apply force to keep the book open or the pages from flopping over.

    3. Re:e-book vs dead-tree formats by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      i read books off my pda all the time. a 4" vga screen is very good for reading, a 3.5" qvga screen isn't that good but it suffices.

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  10. Impact on design and style by Knutsi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may be a tad off topic, but I still think it's interesting to imagine the effect on style and design ultra-cheap electronic paper could have. Remember the breakfast Tom Cruise had in Minority Report, where a cartoon played on his box of cereals?

    If price drops enough, this may lead to inventions such as memory-cards with previews of the content showing right on the card, elecronic labels right in store shelves, changing walls in buildings, floors with directional arrows flying around, guiding you in unfamiliar places, electronic wallpaper for your appartment... add a few giftet artists to all this potential, and I'm sure the world would never look the same again (:

    More and more, I think Clarke's third law holds true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws

    1. Re:Impact on design and style by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      Electronic labels do exist already; overhere there's a store which only has these electronic labels which get updated wirelessly and instantly.

      First company making these I found online; Electronic Shelf Labels

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    2. Re:Impact on design and style by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      It does get one's imagination going if you think about the different potential applications. Remember the scene in (I think?) Total Recall where the girl sitting at the desk is changing her nail color with a touch of a stylus? This type of technology could well enable stuff like that. And I love the idea of having wallpaper that I could change at my whim.

      OTOH, I'd hate to see this become yet another outlet for annoying adverts that could be seen everywhere you go. It already drives me completely nuts when I'm watching television programming (that I paid for!) and these stupid pop-ups that take up a significant portion of the screen keep coming up and spamming me for another program. It's not enough to have normal commercials, now they have to have commercials during the program I'm watching.

      Okay, I did get off-topic there. But it's my submission so I'm entitled, right? :p

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  11. Sony eReader by JackStrife17 · · Score: 1
    Have you had a look at Sony's latest eReader? I've been considering purchasing one myself, as laptops really are too bulky for enjoyable reading on a couch or in bed.

    Of course the real problem with eReaders is the cost; even these "cheap" new Sony ones still cost around $450.

    1. Re:Sony eReader by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the owner of one I really couldn't be happier with the device itself(the software that came with it is another story). I recently did a trans-atlantic flight and the device was a hell of a lot easier to take with me than even one book, let alone 2 or 3. Sharp display, and very readable text.

      Sony's software sucks, but there are plenty of ways to get around having to use it, and they REALLY need more books in their bookstore. BTW, it costs $350USD.

    2. Re:Sony eReader by Mogster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah the cost is what puts me off eReader (although I'm not sure if they're even available in my neck of the woods yet).

      If the reader could be made available relatively cheaply say $100USD (around $130 NZD atm) then titles could be sold at current market rates - eventually as the technology becomes more widespread then even title prices would drop

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    3. Re:Sony eReader by Steve001 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I, too, have one of the new Sony e-book readers (QReader) and I can say the screen is simply outstanding for book reading. The screen is as easy on the eyes as reading on regular paper. It is a vast improvement over the PDAs I've used in the past for e-book reading.

      Due to the backlight, I've found that using a PDA for e-book reading becomes hard on the eyes after several minutes, plus the size of the screen is a disadvantage when reading e-books. Besides the screen quality of the QReader, another advantage is that the screen is larger than a standard-paperback-book page, allowing you to put a large amount of text on a single screen.

      Although the $350 price tag seems a bit high, it is the same price range as some PDAs, and some Compressed Digital Audio players like the iPod. Two of the less-noticed features of the Sony QReader is that it can also display pictures and play MP3 and AAC files (I think by AAC files it means AAC files without the Apple DRM attached). I think that, like with the iPod, more players will appear and the price will drop in time.

      The battery life on the device is terrific. I've been using mine every day for about two months and I've only had to charge it (meaning the battery was near empty) one time. Often, the charge the device receives when connected to the computer gives you a day or two of use. I've found that the battery life is so long that I don't worry about leaving the device on by mistake since it will turn it will automatically turn itself off after an hour.

      I agree that the desktop software and the QReader could use improvement (such as the an automatic method of syncing between the computer and the reader, and the ability to use playlists when playing MP3 files) but it is functional and fairly easy to use, it just requires you to manually move the files from the computer to the reader. But this is the first version of both the reader and the software and I'm sure that it will be improved in future versions.

      One of the best features of the reader, and the reason that I bought one, is that I can put my own content (such as my address book) on the reader: I'm not limited to what I purchase from the Sony Connect Store. In addition to the Sony e-book format it supports the following formats: PDF, text, and RTF. One of the problems I've had with e-book readers in the past is that the displayed formatting tends to be unpredictable (such as a blank line between the paragraphs in the source document disappearing when displayed on the reader). With the Sony QReader, the standard formatting of my documents (such as bold, underline, line spacing, indents) is predictablity rendered on my reader.

      Returning to my original point, I've been very pleased with the QReader. It was good buy for me. Thanks for reading.

    4. Re:Sony eReader by Spit · · Score: 1

      Due to the backlight, I've found that using a PDA for e-book reading becomes hard on the eyes after several minutes,

      The old mono Palm Pilots are great for reading on. I've been reading with Weasel and Plucker for years, small text but easy to read.

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    5. Re:Sony eReader by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      True. The old monochrome Palm screens were not bad for reading, even with the backlight. Also, without the need for the backlight they had very good battery life.

      Unfortunately, the new Palms basically require the backlight to be on to be visible. This is a significant hit on the battery life.

    6. Re:Sony eReader by Lisana · · Score: 1

      I got a Sony Reader for Christmas, and I'm really loving it. http://www.mobileread.com/ has some excellent forums (first link in the bar below the header) where there are quite a few people who own the Reader, Irex's Iliad, and other eInk devices.

      Granted, the Connect software is not the greatest, and they have a limited selection of books (they were giving out a $50 store credit with purchase/registration of a Reader, not sure if that's still in effect), but http://www.manybooks.net/ has a good chunk of the Project Gutenberg content, already pre-formatted for the Reader and a bunch of other ebook devices.

      Also, the Reader is $350, and another $50 if you want the docking cradle. It comes with a soft cover, though you can buy others in colors (the standard one is black).

    7. Re:Sony eReader by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Sony's electronic bookstore has 11,000 books, and has been running (under various names) since at least early 2002, giving them a post rate of approximately 6.02 books per day. In late December, I gave some webspace to a guy from IRC who wanted to start converting e-books for MoonShell for the Nintendo DS; he's already over the 200 mark.

      At this rate, Brandon's personal, free pet project is going to personally overtake Sony in about 27 years. MoonBooks defeats Connect, and it has classics instead of just (chargeable) modern content. Yay Dickens!

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    8. Re:Sony eReader by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Meh, manybooks.net has a ton(maybe all?) of their content formatted in Sony's book format as well as a host of others. I don't really want or need sony adding classics(they have a bunch there, but why pay when you can get it legally for free). I do want more modern books though, as I tend to split my reading 50/50 among classics and modern books. More non-fiction would especially be nice.

  12. Interesting but... by kahrytan · · Score: 1


      I thought the world wanted to become less dependent on oil and not more dependent?

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    1. Re:Interesting but... by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I assume you mean the plastic used to build e-readers.

      But imagine if e-readers take over. Less newspapers and books. Less logging and distribution of paper products - daily newspapers and magazines. Shipments from Amazon.com. Less factories set to refine paper and recycle it (our biggest export to China is used paper so they can print their newspapers). Less printers to print crap. Less storage cabinets to store paperwork. Less oil and other materials used all around.

      I also imagine companies like Amazon.com should be eager to get on the ebook boat early on - they rather missed the chance to have an iTunes like store even though they sell CDs. The writing is on the wall for companies whose business model revolves soley around shipping data on a physical medium - like Netflix. They'll be viable for another 15 years no doubt - but after that, if they haven't set themselves up as the goto place for electronic distribution of the same products early on, they'll won't survive IMO.

    2. Re:Interesting but... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      I think it depends on what oil. It would be good to reduce our dependency on fossil oil. However, I see nothing wrong with using vegetable oil, which we can produce ourselves. I think a lot of useful things can be done with it.

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    3. Re:Interesting but... by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      There was a science fiction/comedy book named "Cyberbooks" by Ben Bova (per Amazon.com it was released in 1989). It was set about 20 years in the fuure and it dealt with attempt to introduction of an ebook reader to the public (the device is shown on the cover and it looks a bit like a Palm handheld, the first Palm handheld was released in 1996), and the forces that work against it. I thought it was a good read, and found much humor in the book publishing business.

      A place I could see e-books taking over because of the obvious benefit is in the disposable catagory (such as newspapers and magazines). One of the disadvantages of newspapers is that they have to be disposed of after you are finished with them. That is a great deal of paper to get rid of. This is a place where an e-newspaper would be a great benefit. I could read it and then simply delete it when I'm finished, without having to lug a bunch of paper to the recycling bin.

    4. Re:Interesting but... by me-g33k · · Score: 1

      The v1.5 gen readers are now out but in limited supply. I am interested in the Sony Reader product but they're hard to find around and the +$300 price is still a big lump to swallow. One real saving grace is that I can now pack a lot more reference material in an easily searchable format without having to power up my notebook. Or even as a side reference without stealing screen space on my notebook or desktop.

      I'm just now going through my collect pile of trade paperbacks and I have over 500+ of them. I'm finally going to sell them off to a used bookstore to save space. Well almost all of them. The really good ones are going to stay...

  13. Re:Kinda dumb by kingsean · · Score: 1
    lol, riiiiiiiiight. Just like Vista and those Japanese internet equipped toilets.
    Hmmm... between the production of both paper and toilets, the two companies at the very least would be able to work out some sort of partnership ;)
  14. Re:Kinda dumb by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Electronic paper is a display device, not storage.

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  15. And who else is based in Dresden? by Flying+pig · · Score: 4, Interesting
    AMD, that's who. Apart from the obvious concentration of necessary skills in the area, what a good idea to start up right next to a large semi company that is expanding its product spectrum.

    Cambridge, Mass. and Cambridge, East Anglia. There must be something about those freezing cold winters that encourages people to stay indoors and invent things.

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    1. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by Sique · · Score: 1

      Cambridge, East Anglia normally doesn't have cold winters. There is something called "Gulfstream" (while Cambridge, Mass. get's cold winters due to water down from Labrador...).

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    2. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by blirp · · Score: 1
      The real reason most programmers look down on COBOL is because it was designed by a woman.


      Cobol wasn't designed by a woman. It was designed by a committee. Of men.

      M.

    3. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1
      Cambridge, East Anglia used to get fscking cold in the winter when I was studying there 20-odd years ago - there's a bastard east wind that blows across all the way from the Urals and freezes the hell out of East Anglia in the winter.

      Never been back (the pubs were good, but not that good, and you can get IPA and Abbot pretty much anywhere nowadays) since, but even with global warming, I reckon it'll still be a mite chilly!

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    4. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cambridge, East Anglia normally doesn't have cold winters. There is something called "Gulfstream"

      Because East Anglia is on the Atlantic coast, and not in the middle of a flat plain adjacent to the North Sea, and then the Artic.

      It can get really really miserably cold in Cambridge, especially in February. Add in some gales, some rain and you will not be going out. We don't get the snow in England any more, and we don't get -20 winters, but it isn't the south of fucking France.

    5. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sunny and 57 F in Cambridge, MA today.

    6. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by not+an+airbrush+arti · · Score: 1

      Since I live here and have worked in the semiconductor industry here: - AMD - Toppan - Infineon - AMTC (Advanced Mask and Technology Center) Dresden is called "Silicon Saxony". Wikipedia has a nice summary (danger, German).

    7. Re:And who else is based in Dresden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either something's going over my head, or this reply is in the wrong thread.

  16. Re:Kinda dumb by Kapsar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's this thing that's still popular... NEWS PAPER. Yea, imagine just downloading the days news paper so you can read it wherever you go on a few pieces of paper. it's to take a bookcase and fit it into a filing cabinet. They are working to turn this into something with a refresh rate fast enough for video... Image unrolling your monitor, or putting this stuff on your wall so you can watch movies on it... imagine the porn, or changing the wallpaper in your house with a touch of a button. There are lots of things outside of the computer that could be improved by it. Billboards, shit like that.

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  17. Electronic Paper Plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're crazy! Electronic paper doesn't grow on trees!

  18. Impact is what matters by Uukrul · · Score: 1

    add a few giftet artists to all this potential, and I'm sure the world would never look the same again (:
    Yes, I can imagine how it's going to be: World's Worst Website. Walk trough Walmart low price products will be a unforgettable experience.

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    1. Re:Impact is what matters by Knutsi · · Score: 1

      Heh, I can imagine (: We don't know Walmart over here tho', but I'd guess they have the money to hire someone with experience to do their design. Information is cheap. Like websites, the design would be a priority since it will have a huge impact on the experience.

      Great site by the way, looks just like my first website back in 1998 ;D

  19. Dresden by LividBlivet · · Score: 1

    I look forward to reading Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse 5" on that material.

    1. Re:Dresden by YourMoneyOrYourDuck · · Score: 1

      So it goes

  20. Cheater's Wet Dream Tissue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the content of electronic paper could be changed remotely, it would be the ultimate cheating method for written tests :)

    1. Re:Cheater's Wet Dream Tissue by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``it would be the ultimate cheating method for written tests''

      Not to mention contract breakers, history revisionists, etc.

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  21. Re:Kinda dumb by AVryhof · · Score: 1

    ....and I can't wait for the headaches I'm going to suffer when people start trying to fax me electronic paper documents at work.

  22. Ever been there? by Flying+pig · · Score: 1

    "Gulfstream" is an executive jet. The "Gulf stream" runs down the West side of the country (the side I now very sensibly live on...) Cambridge is on the East side (the side I grew up on.) I can assure you from in-depth personal experience over a number of years that Cambridge, East Anglia has cold winters.

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    1. Re:Ever been there? by Sique · · Score: 1

      For someone living in Tyrolia (Austria), winters in Cambridge, East Anglia are rather warm and slightly rainy instead of cold :)

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  23. ObGodwin by dgm3574 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But will this new electronic paper combust at 451F like the old stuff? Or will the thought police simply be able to turn off electronic paper which displays ideas they don't like? ;-)

  24. E-paper... in Germany? by The-Bus · · Score: 1

    Well that's going to make the whole "Ihre Papiere, bitte!" question a bit difficult to answer, no?

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  25. Digitial Dark Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This must be the beginning of the Digitial Dark Age they always warned us about. All of our information will be moved to electronic devices and archaelogists in 10,000 years will think we all lived in caves and hunted deer.

    What we need is a way to store all of our information in a stone computer that is powered by a volcano or even better, the sun.

  26. Re:Kinda dumb by IrquiM · · Score: 1

    Fax?

    We stopped using that 5 years ago

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  27. Re:Kinda dumb by Idbar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are still people like me that still found unpleasant reading articles or books from pdf files on your LCD (or anything with light on the back). What they propose is a display that looks like paper. I was recently in a seminar from e-link and I found it really nice.

    Try look for the Sony Reader. They are recently going with color screens that look amazing as portraits and the power consumption is really low.

  28. Sweet!!!! by phrostie · · Score: 1

    i can preprogram my cheat sheets onto a blank sheet of paper

  29. It's not about the technology by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The state of eBooks has been the same since the year 2000. It's never been a technology issue. I'm glad your new Sony is nice, and I'm sure it's a significant improvement over the Rocket eBook, but the Rocket eBook is more than good enough.

    The problem is, was, and for the foreseeable future will be, as you say, "they REALLY need more books in their bookstore." (By the way, how are those books priced? There is also a problem with overpricing and greed. Circa 2000-2001 I had numerous conversations with interested onlookers about my Rocket eBook and there was always mounting interest until they said "What do the books cost?" I'd answer "Same as hardbounds for books that aren't in paper, otherwise same as a paperback." Their jaw would drop in disbelief and that would be the end of the conversation).

    But it wasn't the price. It was lack of titles. An electronic bookstore with a thousand titles may give the impression of plentitude, but it's less than a good airport bookstore and it doesn't even compare to a plain old brick-and-mortar mall bookstore.

    At one time, I went over the list of books chosen for Oprah's book club. At the time there were about forty titles. Something like thirty of them were available as audiobooks, yet only about six were available as eBooks in any format whatsoever. For no eBook format were more than three or four of them available.

    There are numerous ways of reading eBooks that are good enough to provide a comfortable, enjoyable, "ludic" reading experience, but until you can buy the books you want at a reasonable price, it ain't gonna happen.

    I own approximately $300 worth of content I purchased for my Rocket eBook which is locked down to the particular serial number of my physical device. Nuvomedia and Gemstar are long gone, the servers are shut down, there's no customer service available, the battery life on my device is now down to a couple of hours... and when the device fails I'll be the proud possessor of expensive content which is completely inaccessible to me.

    I hope you have better luck with your Sony.

    1. Re:It's not about the technology by tlhIngan · · Score: 1
      I own approximately $300 worth of content I purchased for my Rocket eBook which is locked down to the particular serial number of my physical device. Nuvomedia and Gemstar are long gone, the servers are shut down, there's no customer service available, the battery life on my device is now down to a couple of hours... and when the device fails I'll be the proud possessor of expensive content which is completely inaccessible to me.


      The battery is easily fixed. Buy a new REB from eBookwise to scavenge the battery, or go to one of the many battery shops that refurbish them (open your REB to get at it - it's easy). eBookwise bought the last of the stock from Gemstar.

      I believe the company that originally made the REB is still around (it wasn't Gemstar - they just bought them on an OEM design).
    2. Re:It's not about the technology by Chelloveck · · Score: 1
      I own approximately $300 worth of content I purchased for my Rocket eBook which is locked down to the particular serial number of my physical device. Nuvomedia and Gemstar are long gone, the servers are shut down, there's no customer service available, the battery life on my device is now down to a couple of hours... and when the device fails I'll be the proud possessor of expensive content which is completely inaccessible to me.

      This is why I really love the ebook philosophy at Baen. Baen is a fairly large publisher of science fiction books. Real, paper books, sold in real bookstores. For the past eight years, every book they've published in paperback has also been for sale in electronic format on their web site. The ebook prices are comparable to the paperback editions, or somewhat less if you buy a bundle of all the new titles for a given month. The thing that makes Baen special is that they really dislike DRM of any kind. All their books are available as plain ol' HTML. No encryption, no special reader needed. I buy a lot of their books, and convert the HTML to something my Palm Pilot can handle. If the Palm ever dies, I can reconvert the HTML to whatever other format I need. If somehow all knowledge of HTML is lost to the world, I can still open the files in a text editor and read around the markup.

      Baen also makes a huge portion of their back catalog available for free. Some of their hardback books have come with CDs chock full of free, complete novels. People are encouraged to copy and share the freebies with their friends. The Baen editors and authors say that the more free ebooks they give away, the more paper books get sold.

      I do almost all of my fiction reading electronically. Probably 75% of what I read comes from Baen, because they have the titles, price, and philosophy that all hit my sweet spot. The other 25% are books that I own paper copies of, but that I've downloaded bootlegs off of alt.binaries.* because the ebook editions are either completely unavailable, locked to a format I can't use, or priced higher than the hardback paper editions. I don't mind paying for what I read, but ain't no way I'm going to pay a premium for an edition that will evaporate if some fragile piece of electronics dies.

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    3. Re:It's not about the technology by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      dpbsmith wrote as part of a post:

      I own approximately $300 worth of content I purchased for my Rocket eBook which is locked down to the particular serial number of my physical device. Nuvomedia and Gemstar are long gone, the servers are shut down, there's no customer service available, the battery life on my device is now down to a couple of hours... and when the device fails I'll be the proud possessor of expensive content which is completely inaccessible to me.

      I hope you have better luck with your Sony.

      This is why I wanted to be sure that the device supports formats other than just the Sony e-book format, otherwise I would not have bought it. If my device dies, I will still have access to my own content, other than that I bought from the Sony Connect Store.

      The problem of locked content has been a recurring problem with e-books (and is also a problem with compressed digital audio). What is needed is a universal format that can be moved from one device to another in the case the original device dies. One possibility is an encrypted card that can unlock content and be moved from one device to another. The content would be locked to a specific card, not to a specific device.

    4. Re:It's not about the technology by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      I've bought from Baen. As a company they are brilliant. I'd wish a broader range of fiction from them, but they're a great company. I just wish that a decent ebook reader was an order of magnitude cheaper. They ought to be. All I really want is a screen and a really minimal amount of computer power and storage attached so it can run a PDF display and browser. Not much to ask, you'd think.

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  30. Gotta love English! by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Electronic Paper Plant to be Built in Germany"

    So, is this an electronic plant that makes paper, or a plant that makes electric paper?

    Q: How many Lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    A: Two: one to decide what to change it into, and one to figure out what kind of bulb emits broken light.

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  31. Re:Kinda dumb by Rolgar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point of this will be downloading magazines and your daily paper via wifi while you're on the bus (with near zero distribution costs, most papers could go free since the ads will make them more money), and having your favorite reference materials at hand, plus a book or two would be a real boon. I'd probably even start to read again away from the computer.

    The thing is, the cost of content will have to drop. If I no longer get a physical copy, I shouldn't have to pay for the printing process, and all the overhead that implies. Lower prices might well mean a higher readership because more people would buy more books if they were cheaper and they had the time to read more than they currently do. Well known authors wouldn't have to go to a publisher anymore. They'd write their book, pay an editor out of pocket, and Amazon will let you sell a book download for 3-5 bucks, and take 2 or 3 dollars for themselves. Amazon could host a million books in the size of a small data center, and each book would pay for itself in Amazon's eyes in the first 10 copies. A hundred thousand in sales would be a quarter of a million in profit for the author. Dozens of niche authors would come out of the woodwork because the cost of self publishing would drop through the floor, and we would see an American Idol type of situation in literature, because there are all kinds of talent out waiting to be found. Further, in episodic type literature, an author might even let you download the first 2 books of a series to entice you to read books 3-4 after the first couple have been out a few years, since your downloading the first two books would cost him nothing. Hopefully, this sort of situation would yield higher quality material as well, since the author's current and ongoing sales outlook would depend directly on the number of units sold instead of getting a large contract up front before the book is even written.

    Obviously, I've been looking forward to electronic paper for a while now. Just a while longer until it's really affordable.

  32. Gotta love /. by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    *sigh* Ya know, I knew no matter how carefully I worded and proofread this some grammar nazi would get me for something. So as a public service to Slashdot readers around the world I'm fixing the title:

    "Electronic Paper Plant to be Grown in Germany"

    There, happy now? :p

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    1. Re:Gotta love /. by sootman · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no offense meant. Not trying to be a grammar nazi (headlines are--almost by definition--almost always grammatically incorrect in some way), it just struck me as funny. (My wife is Hungarian and she's always complaining about our language, so it's always on my mind.) I wasn't meaning to make fun of you at all--the fact is, it's hard to write good headlines. (Just watch Jay Leno for proof!) I like your alternative--very clever. :-)

      Worst headline ever, from the Orlando Sentinel a year or so ago: "QUAKE'S RUINS YIELDS LIVES."
      VERY hard to parse that--
      - every word in that sentence could be a noun or verb
      - every word ends in S, which could indicate a present tense verb, a plural noun, or a possessive noun
      - the all-caps makes the apostrophe easy to miss
      The solution is possessive noun, plural noun, verb, plural noun.

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    2. Re:Gotta love /. by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      No offense taken, my good man. I guess when you do a submission, it's kind of like your baby and you become a little more sensitive than normal.

      But I do know what you're saying about headlines. Someone sent me a bunch of them several years ago and they were a riot. Example: "Having trouble with your menu? Use your children.", stuff like that. English is a bizzarre language, and I like to have fun with it when I can. It drives my wife nuts too as she's a native Colombian of German descent so English is actually her third language. Still, she has better grammar and spelling skills than some teachers here that I know. Go figure.

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    3. Re:Gotta love /. by sootman · · Score: 1

      It's a total cliché but it's true--learning another language makes you learn more about your own. I learned more about English grammar in my first semester of Spanish than I did in all previous years--I'm sure I was taught it all at some point, but I never had to really use the rules of English grammar because I could speak the language without trying and I did the (more or less) right thing naturally. But in learning Spanish, all that stuff about infinitives, progressives, the subjunctive, etc. finally stuck.

      BTW, the article was neat. Glad it got accepted. Thanks for submitting.

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  33. Re:Kinda dumb by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    electronic circuits (without LEDs) don't work as displays, displays like plasmas, LCDs, and CRTs work as displays. And it specifically says "electronic paper devices that could be used to store large amounts of text and other data" so like I said, they can't seem to decide what it does...but it's gonna be big! lol

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  34. Re:Kinda dumb by rlazarus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In theory, that works beautifully. In practice, look at what's happened now that we no longer have to pay for the CD manufacturing process. Yes, there's been some improvement, but the situation is far from what anybody would call ideal. Granted, it's not a perfect analogy, but you see what I'm getting at. I'll be among the first to rejoice, if everything goes as you predict. But I'm not confident that it will.

  35. Baen by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    I've heard many good things about Baen and I'm sure they're admirable, but unfortunately they are not the company that publishes the books of Barbara Kingsolver, or Mark Kurlansky, or Erik Larson, or Elizabeth George...

    I can name any particular song I'm interested in that there's at least a 90% chance the iTunes Music Store will have it. Not just Ashlee Simpson, either. I was watching the Sopranos, and an Artie Shaw tune called "Comes Love" is playing in the background, and I think "hmmm... that's interesting..." and four minutes and $0.99 later I had it. Ten years ago I would have had to drive half an hour to Tower Records, shuffled through the bin for Artie Shaw CD's, and had to pay $13.95 to get the one song I wanted and fifteen others I was only marginally interested in.

    That's why I buy music electronically, even if it doesn't have the little CD booklet, or the LP album art, or whatever.

    But I can name any particular book I'm interested in reading, and even during the period when Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Powell's, and Gemstar's own store were all selling Gemstar-format eBooks, there was probably less than a 10% chance that it was available.

    Baen can't do it by themselves. Enough of the book publishers need to get on board to create a store comparable to iTunes.

  36. Re:Kinda dumb by phich65 · · Score: 1

    One idea would be to turn the business model of book selling on it's head.

    Cheap downloads of titles for you're e-reader, then if you really like a book you'd go and buy the hardback version to put on you book-shelves.

    Or another way would be like DVDs with 'presentation' sets, you could sell books on a memory stick in a cute little box, the user just plugs the memory stick into the side of thier e-reader and transfers the book onto it.

    Totally agree though that the thing that's most likely to make or break the e-reader is not the technology, but the content that's available

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  37. Re:Kinda dumb by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only problem I have this system is that publishers usually act as a detriment to a lot of mediocre "talent" out there.

    With this mechanism, you would also have a lot of noise:signal ratio, which would be kind of sucky.

    And while free-market may determine who comes out on top, do remember that most people are not particularly bright and would much rather read brain dead stuff than something that makes them think, analyse and question.

    That is what worries me. Finding the wheat from the chaff would be hard.

  38. Re:Kinda dumb by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    Electronic paper has a color-changing surface that resembles paper. I suppose the storage would refer to the fact that you'd need only one sheet of that "paper" to display however many pages of text you want. Since it's usually used on devices meant to display books it would probably come with some form of mass storage to store the books. Knowing journalists and marketin that's probably what they meant.

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