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RIAA Admits 70 Cent Price is 'In the Range'

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In its professed battle to protect the 'confidentiality' of its 70-cents-per-download wholesale price, the RIAA has now publicly filed papers in UMG v. Lindor in which it admits that the 70-cents-per-download price claimed by the defendant is 'in the range'.(pdf) From the article: 'The pricing data really may not be all that secret. Late in 2005, former New York Attorney General (and current Governor) Eliot Spitzer launched an investigation into price fixing by the record labels, alleging collusion between the major labels in their dealings with the online music industry. Gabriel believes that making the pricing information public would 'implicate [sic] very real antitrust concerns' as the labels are not supposed to share contract information with one another ... Beckerman argues in a letter to the judge that the only reason the labels want to keep this information confidential is to 'serve their strategic objectives for other cases,' which he says does not rise to the legal threshold necessary for a protective order. The proposed order would force the labels to turn over contracts with their 12 largest customers. Most details--such as the identities of the parties--would be kept confidential, but pricing information and volume would not.'"

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  1. it's the opposite of trustworthy.... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gabriel believes that making the pricing information public would 'implicate [sic] very real antitrust concerns'

    Well, if there's one thing record labels have an abundancy of, it's anti-trust.

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  2. Undercutters by Swimport · · Score: 2, Funny

    They make 30 cents a song? Ill do it for 5 cents a song. Where do I sign up?

  3. Pain And Suffering by SenorPez · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even at the $0.70 per song mark, you have to consider damages for the pain and suffering of those poor, poor record executives. I mean, honestly: Think about the hours and hours that they spent in their mansions, lying awake on their double-king canopy beds, surrounded by sleeping hookers... and unable to sleep because of the massive injustice being done to their industry.

    Or something like that.

    In all honesty, it's a hard thing to nail down. If I work in a donut factory, there is SOMEONE, even if that person isn't me, who knows how much that donut costs to make, including materials, equipment, labor, shipping, and pesticides. When it comes to things like music, art, etc., how DO you quantify the cost of the artists' talents, the labels' marketing efforts, the RIAA's... something... etc. Even the most talented singer in the world is useless without distribution... and marketing and distribution channels can sometimes (Britney?) overcome a shallow pool of talent.

    That being said, anything that comes out of the multi-mawed beast known as the RIAA is met with instant skepticism. When you spend years upon years intimidating people who may or may not have committed a crime, and many of those that are nominally guilty are in the "OMG, You ate a peanut out of the grocery store bin!" variety, it's hard to find any foothold of remorse in the market. So $0.70 wholesale price might be in the "ballpark." But I don't give a damn.

    1. Re:Pain And Suffering by EtherealStrife · · Score: 3, Funny

      Detective: Look, there's Lars now, sitting by his pool.
      Kyle: What's the matter with him?
      Detective: This month he was hoping to have a gold plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free he must now wait a few months before he can afford it.
      *Lars crying next to his pool*
      Detective: Come, there's more. Here's Britney Spears' private jet...notice anything? Britney used to have a Gulfstream 4, now she's had to sell it and get a Gulfstream 3 because people like you chose to download her music for free.
      *Britney sighs, depressed*
      Detective: The Gulfstream 3 doesn't even have a remote control for its surround sound dvd system. Still think downloading music for free is no big deal?
      Kyle: We...didn't realize what we were doing...
      Detective: That is the folly of man. Now look in this window. Here you see the loving family of Master P. Next week is his son's birthday and all he's ever wanted is an island in French Polynesia.
      Kyle: So he's going to get it, right?
      Detective: *closes eyes and puts hands on forehead* I see an island without an owner. If thing's keep going the way they are, the child will not get his tropical paradise.
      Stan: We're sorry, we'll never download music for free again!
      Detective: Man must learn to think of these horrible outcomes before he acts selfishly, or else...I fear...recording artists will be forever doomed to a life of only semi-luxury.

  4. Re:Damages by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspect that is the reason they wouldn't want their prices known; it destroys the RIAA's ability to sue for massive damages.

    The damages requested are quite reasonable. Yeah, it's only about a quarter million in actual losses, but the adminstrative expenses run to a trillion and half, especially given that the administrative offices are located in the Cayman Islands.

    KFG

  5. Re:Meaning that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ^ works for Verizon...

  6. Re:Damages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Considering most of those sheep^H^H^H^H^Hpeople like to listen to the Idol Band-of-the-month shlock fed to them by ClearChannel, they have questionable taste to begin with.

  7. Re:Damages by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, yeah. Do you know what a latte costs in the Caymans?! $1.5 Trillion's a little on the light side, I'd say!

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  8. RIAA to MAFIAA by snowleopard10101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIAA's name should be changed to MAFIAA. MAFIAA: Music and Film Industry Association of America

  9. Re:Damages by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you know what a latte costs in the Caymans?!

    Yeah, I understand it's pretty expensive there. I had a record company executive try to explain it to me once, but he used a lot of financial jargon, like "exchange rate" and "hooker," so I really didn't catch it all.

    Then he walked away singing Titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer. . ."

    And all this time I've been laboring under the impression that record company executives weren't particularly fond of Zappa.

    KFG

  10. Re:Pricing Comparison by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny
    I recently came across an article suggesting that artists on average get paid around .25 per song.

    The article you "came across" was dead wrong. From every dollar, the most an artist will get is 20 cents and that's only the top few percent of recording artists.

    You misunderstand. The article said, ".25 per song" -- not per dollar, not per copy.
    Just 25 cents total, once and for all.
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  11. I wonder... by OriginalSpaceMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    What does 50 cent think of this knowledge? Maybe he'll sue for the back-owed 20 cent difference? ... sorry, I had to.

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  12. Re:Pricing Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    One CD for the rootkit...