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Deleting Online Predators Act - R.I.P.

elearning 2.0 writes "It looks like the Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA) has died a slow death. DOPA was proposed during the height of last year's moral panic around the issue of child safety and sites like MySpace. The legislation would have banned the use of commercial social networking websites in US schools and libraries which receive federal IT funding — therefore undermining much of the pioneering work being done by educators in the e-learning 2.0 space."

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  1. Destroying Terroristic Buzzwords Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    e-learning 2.0 space

    In any just society, whoever wrote that would swing next to Saddam, Idi Amin, and the guy who invented clamshell packaging.

    1. Re:Destroying Terroristic Buzzwords Act by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Along with all producers of "Reality" TV show?

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    2. Re:Destroying Terroristic Buzzwords Act by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Funny

      >"We were the first to thermoform polycarbonate (PCEE); we invented the locking "clamshell" package and continue to serve up unique, custom solutions to your packaging needs."

      Unless your needs happen to include having your customers actually get at your product without serious injury and/or bloodloss. These people should die the death of a thousand thermoform polycarbonate cuts, preferably administered by Sadam's executioners.

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  2. But... by r3st2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most schools already have those kind of sites banned.

    1. Re:But... by lukas84 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah. Like that is going to accomplish much.

      They'll find other ways to waste time.

      The problem is that the whole approach is wrong. If you want to prevent Students surfing on Myspace using School Equipment, make sure they have something to lose. But our society is no longer able to hand out a "YOU SUCK, GET TO WORK DAMMIT" to children and students who don't do their job right.

      You can't prevent by banning every distraction they find - you have to motivate them by making sure there are consequences when you're bad at school. Encouraging at first, but if you're no good, you get disqualified and can start flipping burgers. No need to waste money on people who don't try to learn.

      And the whole predator perspective is just stupid. Honestly. You can't rape or harass people over the internet. You can't damage them.

  3. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    therefore undermining much of the pioneering work being done by educators in the e-learning 2.0 space

    Banning MySpace is undermining much of the pioneering work of what?

    I must be missing something.

    1. Re:WTF? by Constantine+Evans · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I recall correctly, the definition of social networking sites used in the act caused it to include an absurd variety of sites, including most bug tracking sites, Slashdot, Wikipedia and all other wikis, nearly all forums, many blog sites, some mainstream news sites, Amazon, Yahoo, and so on.

      In essence, any site which is commercially operated, and allows users to create profiles or web pages and communicate with other users, would be restricted in schools and libraries. In addition, any site allowing real-time communication would be considered a chatroom and thus banned in those situations.

    2. Re:WTF? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dunno, I've seen some very pioneering typography on MySpace.

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  4. Yikes by finkployd · · Score: 2, Funny

    pioneering work being done by educators in the e-learning 2.0 space

    I was mildly interested until that. Then my "pretentious, meaningless buzzword" alarm went off.

    I hope they are at least leveraging their e-synergies and fully embracing AJAX and SOAP in that 2.0 space.

    Finkployd

    1. Re:Yikes by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's worse: my boss (like many I'm sure) actually falls for the buzzword of the week.

      We'll bring in one group doing demo or webex of some software product, and they'll claim that their product does "Super hyper-relative process optimization". It'll be some common-sense obvious crap that they decided to tag that name onto.

      The bad part comes when Vendor #2 comes in and demo's their product. He'll (with a straight and shockingly confident face) raise his hand in the middle and ask "Does this support Super hyper-relative process optimization?". When they have no idea what he's talking about he's already looking at me like "OMG. They don't even do super hyper-relative process optimization. Why did you even let these people in the door?". About this time I'm ready to just shake my head in embarrassment.

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  5. It will be back by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We will see it again just in time for the 2008 campaign cause theres nothing like flashing the mug shots of creepy old men across the tv with ominous music while stating that ur opponent supports child predators.

  6. elearning 2.0? Stop with the stupid buzzwords by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only is elearning 2.0 a really poor attempt at piggybacking the Web 2.0 buzzword trend, the submitter seems to have some sort of investment in it as well (look at the name). E-learning 2.0 seems to be teaching using so-called Web 2.0 sites and tools, which is a good concept, but not one that needs its own buzzword. Why not just call it online learning or online social education, as those are more descriptive? Let's lay off the stupid buzzwords (Web 2.0, E-Learning 2.0, etc).

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  7. WTF is "e-learning 2.0 space"? by TheWoozle · · Score: 3, Funny

    WARNING: You have exceeded your buzzword quota for the day. Any future buzzword emissions will result in fines from the EPA.

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    1. Re:WTF is "e-learning 2.0 space"? by TacNuke · · Score: 2, Funny
      It appears you are trying to use a buzzword. Would you like me to help with that?

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    2. Re:WTF is "e-learning 2.0 space"? by +PhilipMarlowe9000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on, a paradigm shift that operationalizes poststructural Kantian hyperspace in a post-neo-syndicalist fashion is nothing to sneeze at. I concur with the article; this is the pathogenesis of the Bosch-Hegelian refractory-system!

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  8. huh? by User+956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks like the Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA) has died a slow death. DOPA was proposed during the height of last year's moral panic around the issue of child safety

    What do you mean "last year's" panic about child safety? The whole "child safety" cliche is every politician's trump card. I don't think it went out of style when we began 2007.

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  9. Oh well, back to the parents then... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...who are going to have to unvelcro themselves from their armchairs in front of their HDTVs and actually go and spend some time educating and spending time with their kids in order to show them how to behave responsibly - both online and offline.

    Parents need to start financing their own kids rather than expecting the rest of us to pay for them - via taxes for the salaries of politicians to make this unnecessary rubbish up.

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  10. Re:BS Meter Went Off by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I seriously doubt blocking myspace at libraries and schools will make any dent in the number of teens using it, and any rule about proxies is just a challenge

  11. How is myspace educational? by nganju · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Aside from the obvious problems with the sentence "pioneering work being done by educators in the e-learning 2.0 space", how does banning myspace et. al. prevent learning? Are teachers seriously encouraging kids to get on myspace during class time for educational purposes?

    I don't see anything wrong with banning social network sites inside school libraries. Wikipedia, Nasa, etc. are legitimate learning sites, I don't see how myspace compares to these.

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  12. Re:2.0 what? by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

    "e-learning 2.0"? Is this a subset of Web 2.0?

    This is where one can leverage their synergies to create new paradigms while using colored parachutes to find out who moved their cheese.

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  13. Re:It just didn't work by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just more data that shows that this and just about every similar measure whether in cyberspace or meatspace is ignoring the fundamental problem:

    Children are vastly more likely to be victimized by someone they know than by a random stranger online or otherwise. Your typical sexual predator does not search for victims online, they look for victims down the hall.

    All of this hand-wringing and legislating is just a way to avoid recoginizing this admittedly sad and disturbing fact.

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  14. Absolute Bullshit by gnu-sucks · · Score: 2

    The legislation would have banned the use of commercial social networking websites in US schools and libraries which receive federal IT funding -- therefore undermining much of the pioneering work being done by educators in the e-learning 2.0 space.

    Every time I walk into the library at my university, I have to actually force some myspace addict off the computer so I can write a paper or do actual research. The school's library has over 300 computers, and there are additional computer labs on campus too.

    "undermining"!?!? What the FUCK! Would legislation to block large distractions and bandwidth wasting really "undermine" anyone's "pioneering" work on a school's IT policy and/or hardware/software?

    Freespeech sure - if you really need to use myspace for school, ask your "pioneering" IT staff for special access.

    While we're at it, can we please block hotmail and ebay? Most schools provide a local email account for students anyway...

    So do I have this thing totally wrong? Or am I right in believing that there are some educators out there that believe government-funded schools shouldn't stop students from wasting their bandwidth? Pioneering!?!? WTF!

  15. e-learning 2.0 space by Acy+James+Stapp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd like to see you say that to my face, buddy. I'll pop you right in the jaw. We speak English in these parts.

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  16. No Brainer. by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 2

    Encouraging peer communication and collaboration in a learning environment? Good.

    Using the fetid cesspool of MySpace, et al to accomplish it? Silly, if not completely irresponsible.

    We upgraded our filtering device last summer, with the main impetus being effective blocking of MySpace. This is for several K-12 school districts. Why the hell would you even consider MySpace for education, when there's Moodle and other products you could choose?

  17. Re:Online predators by Grimbleton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think "nefarious" would have to be spelled out from the start. I just passed the "Legal Age" a few years back (I'm 20 now), and I still hang out with the 15-17 crowd from time to time, and let's face it, they're just as big a group of perverts as I and my social group were at their age.


    If I were magically imprisoned because someone decided that "hanging out at telling dirty jokes and throwing innuendo around" was nefarious, there would be a serious problem. And I see it as a potentiality.