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Top U.S. Tech Cities

srizah writes "Wired.com claims to have used a 'scientific methodology' to rate the top 10 tech towns in the US. They use some very reliable indexes, like 'Craigslist postings per capita' or 'Number of attendees at local meetings of dorkbot'. The usual suspects (Seattle, San Francisco) show up on the list, but some might surprise you. From the article: 'Raleigh-Duram - The jocks here may get worked up about college hoops, but the tech set is passionate about Linux distros and Mac-PC holy wars. North Carolina's Triangle is ground zero for Red Hat, SAS Institute, and an IBM center. Bonus: The area hosts two World Beer Festivals a year.'"

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  1. Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, nothing about Provo/Orem? Home of SCO AND Novell? Nothing says tech like "Most mentioned on Groklaw".

    1. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by g1zmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe if someone knew what the hell Provo/Orem means.

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    2. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Funny

      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT, and tend to want lots of kids. Marrying a Utah lass might well be an upgrade and virus protection.

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    3. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT, and tend to want lots of kids. Marrying a Utah lass might well be an upgrade and virus protection.

      ... and you can marry as many of them as you want!

    4. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by DittoBox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brigham Young, Brigham Often.

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    5. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by harrv · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's true, but the majority of the company's engineering talent is in Utah. And the company was founded there.

    6. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by harrv · · Score: 2, Informative

      Say what you will, but Provo is in fact a leader in municipal fiber-to-home. I, for one, enjoy surfing slashdot at 10 Mbps. And not all of us are Mormon. I know I'm sure as hell not.

    7. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny
      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT,

      Maybe to a basement-bound geek who has somehow managed to never discover any pr0n, much less meet a girl in person.

      Here's what Mark Twain had to say about mormon chicks:

      the Mormon women ... these poor, ungainly and pathetically "homely" creatures ... the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure - and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.
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  2. "Scientific methodology"? by sam_champion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Craigslist postings per capita'. Because we all know the number of Craigslist posting is about as scientific as one can get.

  3. Methodology *hiccup* by Aeiedil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does the scientific methodology involve personally sampling the beer festivals? Would be curious to see an equivilant evaluation in england heh :)

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  4. Heh, filler by HaeMaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How did this filler article get on Slashdot?

    They have icons in the article that don't appear in the legend. AUSTIN has a spot for an icon without an icon. Somehow, the Bay Area doesn't have a university rating, even though it has Stanford and Cal.

    I could go on, but I wasted enough of my time, and yours.

  5. Los Alamos by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about places like Los Alamos (LANL), Albuquerque (SNL, LM etc.) or Batavia (FNAL).

    If by tech they only mean CS related stuff, then sure, that list makes sense.

    But Los Alamos has some of the smartest and best people and has a lot of "real" tech.

    I mean, if particle accelerators, rocket science and weapons tech. don't constitute real technology while AJAX is counted as a technology, I must be missing something.

    1. Re:Los Alamos by Idbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about Techny, IL? That sounds like a "tech" city to me!

    2. Re:Los Alamos by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it's your definition of "city" that is different from theirs. ;)

    3. Re:Los Alamos by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well...given cities and this comment on Wired regarding the location of Austin "Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas", my Liberal Radar is beeping pretty fast.

      Also, they would never name Los Alamos because they are "da war machine". You know how it goes...

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  6. "Circuit City sotres per capita"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely that's a negative index. What an utterly useless franchise.

    - chad

  7. Copy and paste problems? by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's "Durham". Jesus, Slashdot editors can't even copy and paste now? Is that a Linux problem?

    But seriously, RDU shouldn't be a surprise. We have Duke, UNC-Chapel Hill, and NC State all within 30 minutes or so from each other, and we have Research Triangle Park here. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill was a great, cheap place to enjoy the dot-com boom. We've got IBM (10,000+ employees), Cisco, a small MS office, whatever MCI is now (worldcom?), Nortel, Ericsson, Red Hat, and tons and tons of start ups.

    Also, UNC-Chapel Hill is home to Sunsite, which became ibiblio. So yeah, it's dork heaven, but without the SF prices.

    1. Re:Copy and paste problems? by MadMorf · · Score: 2, Funny

      We've got IBM (10,000+ employees), Cisco, a small MS office, whatever MCI is now (worldcom?), Nortel, Ericsson, Red Hat, and tons and tons of start ups.

      Not to mention Network Appliance, EMC, Cree Semiconductor, Glaxo-Smith Kline, BASF, LabCorp, Quintiles, Bayer CropScience, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, the US Environmental Protection Agency Supercomputer Center and the Sanrio Hello Kitty Store at Crabtree Mall.

  8. Re:Irvine by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lots of suburban wasteland hell. Personally, I'd rather eat glass than go back to working there. So many boring IT companies doing boring stuff too. Yuck, but I guess somebody has to do it somewhere.

  9. Things I would use to measure techie density... by joNDoty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Assuming we can measure these, of course:
    * PC boxes per capita
    * Bittorrent activity
    * Secured wifi networks per capita
    * Wikipedia contributors
    * Middle-aged men/women with same legal residence as parents
    * Slashdot accounts
    * Cowboyneal
    *...others?

  10. Let's save some time... by carlivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about [insert city or region here]?! It has [insert club, university, or company here]!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

    Carl

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  11. Re:Irvine by carlivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I assume you are talking about Irvine, California. It sucks for sure. Too many "planned communities" around there. Barf.

    The rule of thumb for me is: if you have to do a U-Turn to get to a business on the left side of the street, I don't want to live or work there.

    Irvine does get bonus points for the UC-Irvine mascot being the Anteater, however.

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  12. Yay, Mad Libs! by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Funny
    What about Atlanta, Georgia?! It has Georgia Tech!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

    Okay, who's next?

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    1. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by IdleTime · · Score: 3, Funny

      Me!

      What about Orlando, Florida?! It has UCF!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!
      Wait.... never mind...

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  13. who sponsored the study? by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Portland, Oregon, had a free wireless project downtown FIVE YEARS AGO.
    Is Circuit City really sponsoring this? I'd have thought they'd have chosen Fry's, instead, for a techie store.
    The Portland area actually has both, actually.

    And wtf is dorkbot? This seems all about promoting pet projects (or sponsors).

  14. Re:Irvine by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too many "planned communities" around there. Agreed. I'd have to get approval from the homeowners committee to put up an antenna for WiFi. I'd have to stop coding and go out a cut my lawn because the homeowners committee had a meeting last night and decided my grass was too long. The homeowners committee won't let me fly my model helicopter around because it makes too much noise. Forget doing my own car repairs in the driveway...

    No way.

    About the only advantage Irvine has is lots of bike trails.
  15. A measure of who reads /. might be better... by Durrok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot should be able to pull a majority of our IPs and figure out what general area we are browsing the web from. Then you could compare how many unique hits you got from a particular state/providence/country vs the entire population of that area and get a "geek index". Might want to toss something in there for volume as well for corporations/schools, etc. Would not be completely accurate but a hell of a lot closer then the "circuit city index".

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    1. Re:A measure of who reads /. might be better... by metlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming geek refers to users of the Internet.

      There are other technologies and sciences out there with far geekier folks (e.g. biology, mathematics, physics, chemistry, various kinds of engineering etc.)

  16. The thing about Austin by mogrify · · Score: 4, Informative

    AUSTIN
    ...Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas.

    While it's clearly true that Austin is surrounded by Texas, that's not actually a downside. Texas has some of the most beautiful landscapes I've ever seen, and the close proximity of many interesting geographical features (Hamilton Pool, Enchanted Rock) is a definite plus for Austin.

    Having grown up there, I'd say the actual downside is that Austin is surrounded by Texans.

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    1. Re:The thing about Austin by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Having grown up there, I'd say the actual downside is that Austin is surrounded by Texans.

      Dude, Texans aren't worse than people anywhere else. In fact, as long as you're not killing anyone, they're probably more likely to leave you alone and not complain than "sophisticated" Easterners and Californians. Every place has its reputation, but everywhere you get cool people and sucky people. Try to find the cool ones and ignore the others. Life's too short to do otherwise.

      -b.

    2. Re:The thing about Austin by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I took offense to that too. "Austin is surrounded by Texas."

      In Texas is Houston. Which contains Compaq (HP, now), Woot.com and NASA. Come on, is NASA not techie enough for you? Rice U, medical center and UofH.
      San Antonio has the river walk (Beer fest!) and a slew of military bases.
      Dallas... well, it had a TV show.

      And there ain't nothin' wrong with Texans. Your average Texas redneck will give you the shirt off his back (not that you'd want it), have you over for dinner and offer you a place to stay if you needed it. Who was it that took in all those Katrina evacuees? I'll give you a hint: I didn't see Georgia or even friggin Louisiana stepping up to help out!

      Oh, and Texas girls are some of the hottest anywhere. They qualify as Texas as well! Maybe the author doesn't like girls!

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  17. What's wrong with Texas? by Yosho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AUSTIN
    Inspiration for Slacker, epicenter of the first EFF battle, home to Dell, Whole Foods, and South by Southwest. Not to mention host to the most dorkbot attendees in the country. Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas.


    I'm going to have to chime in with the other people who are disagreeing. While it sure is popular to hate on Texas, I'd be willing to be that the vast majority of people who do so have never actually lived here. We've got beautiful landscapes, a low cost-of-living, plenty of space, and three of the top ten largest cities in the US. Yes, the majority of people here consider themselves Republicans, but if you're willing to get past somebody's political views, there are also lots of friendly people. About the only thing I don't like is that the summers get so dang hot.. but the mild winters (unless you live up in the panhandle) make up for it.

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  18. Portland OR Metro area by sysopd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What about Portland, OR?

    1. Re:Portland OR Metro area by gurudyne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And let's not forget, also the home of http://freegeek.org/ "Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millenium"

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    2. Re:Portland OR Metro area by sjelkjd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hewlett Packard is based in Silicon Valley. They may have an office in Portland, but the company's history is in California.

    3. Re:Portland OR Metro area by nsaspook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Portland has more strip clubs per capita than any city in America.
      http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2006/12/st rip_clubs_help.php

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  19. Craigslist rocks by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found a lovebird hiding in a bush one day a few years ago, in a row of hedges just outside work; obviously someone's pet had escaped. I forget what I originally used to capture it; I think I got it into a paper bag and brought it in. That bird was freaked.

    I went on Craigslist and found someone in the neighborhood who was advertising free bird cages that he was throwing away. So I emailed the guy and he replied with his address, saying he was leaving for work, but the cages would be out front with the trash. I went over to his house with a friend of mine and they were by the curb like he said. We took one and left.

    With the bird now in its free cage I posted "FOUND LOVEBIRD" on Craigslist and a guy up the street responded. He said he kept love birds and canaries in cages outside his business (he ran a day care), and that he was missing one of his two lovebirds. A few people in the office who were in the habit of taking walks confirmed this, saying yes, they remembered seeing birds there, it's obviously one of those.

    So case closed. We took our lovebird in its free cage, and walked over to this guy's business. Lovebirds don't like being alone; they want to be in pairs. And they use a species-specific call to find other lovebirds. So as we approached, the birds started "pinging" each other back and forth with this call, which became more frequent as we approached. And they went nuts in their cages as they became fully aware of each other. It was actually a pretty cool thing to see. We let our bird hop into the cage with the other one, and they started chatting with each other and flying around like mad.

    The guy was puzzled, because it wasn't the same lovebird that he lost. But we left it there anyway. It worked out well for everybody. My friend and I got to skip work for a while, didn't pay for anything, the guy got his free replacement lovebird, and the replacement lovebird not only survived but found a good home with his other lovebird. All thanks to Craigslist. I hope his original lovebird also found a good home.

    1. Re:Craigslist rocks by sam_champion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's funny, I can't seem to find any place in my posting that disparages Craigslist. I personally enjoy the site and use it for a wide variety of purposes, and it has been more than helpful in just about every aspect. However, I would not consider the activity level on the site itself to be any indication of how "tech friendly" a particular location is. All it really takes to utilize the site is a working internet browser and a working level of knowledge towards the site's very existence. A number of people I know regularly browse through the postings on Craigslist, and the majority of them could not be considered "tech"y in the least. The vast number of references I hear towards the site, in conversation or otherwise, are in reference to housing and job postings - not something that requires any technical background. Perhaps these people are the non-tech exception to the average user, but I cannot base my opinion beyond my direct experience. Given this, I cannot see why Craiglist, in particular, was used as relative data for "scientific" research on how tech-savvy a particular city is - as opposed to other potential factors that might bear more significance.

    2. Re:Craigslist rocks by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's funny, I can't seem to find any place in my posting that disparages Craigslist.
      What's funny? I just saw a chance to tell my Craigslist lovebird story. Your got your Troll and Overrated mods from other people.

      However, I would not consider the activity level on the site itself to be any indication of how "tech friendly" a particular location is. All it really takes to utilize the site is a working internet browser and a working level of knowledge towards the site's very existence. A number of people I know regularly browse through the postings on Craigslist, and the majority of them could not be considered "tech"y in the least.
      You're missing the point of why usage of Craigslist (or any site like it) is a useful index of a community's tech savviness. A necessary requirement (although obviously not a sufficient one) for Craigslist's usefulness is for a lot of web users to be in town. Low Craigslist usage says nothing abut a community, but high Craigslist usage strongly indicates that this requirement at least (among others) has been met. High Ebay usage would also indicate that, but not quite as much- since an Ebay interaction only requires one local user, and Craigslist interactions require two. Ebay is still useful to tech-savvy people who live in "non-tech-savvy" places, in a way that Craigslist is not. Craigslist's usefulness is severely impacted by where you live.

      My own tech savviness has been relatively constant, and Craigslist would have been useless to me in most of the places I've lived. I would have never found the birdcage; I'd probably be stuck with a bird in a bag regardless of my basic web skills. Craigslist is useful in Silicon Valley because everyone knows that everyone else is using it, like the way Orkut is most useful to Brazilians after reaching critical mass in Brazil.

      No matter how tech savvy a place is, Craigslist (or any site like it) is only going to be useful if everyone in town regularly turns to it, like a dating site. Ebay only works because it's used by large numbers of people all over the world in preference to all the auction sites you've never heard of. Craigslist sets up local connections, so other users have to be in town, but the same idea applies. The problem is getting a critical mass of local users, not navigating the actual site. Anyone with a computer and a working brainstem can do that. But you have to have a computer which already says something.
  20. +1 Geek Points by khendron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only a true geek would describe lovebird calls as "pinging."

    Well done! But you should have continued and called it the lovebird "handshake" protocol.

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  21. Frigid?? by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 3, Funny
    BOSTON... Winters may be frigid, but at least there are lots of single nerds to hibernate with.
    It was in the low 60s today here in Boston. Great timing, Wired.
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  22. Where's the "surprise"? by foonf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The usual suspects (Seattle, San Francisco) show up on the list, but some might surprise you.

    I looked at the list, and in fact it was mostly the usual suspects. I mean everyone knows there is a big tech presence in Raleigh/Durham and Austin. About the only really surprising inclusion is Orlando, and it was the most poorly justified of all of them. Substitute Portland, OR for Orlando on their list and you have basically the conventional wisdom on what the major tech centers in the US are.

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