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Top U.S. Tech Cities

srizah writes "Wired.com claims to have used a 'scientific methodology' to rate the top 10 tech towns in the US. They use some very reliable indexes, like 'Craigslist postings per capita' or 'Number of attendees at local meetings of dorkbot'. The usual suspects (Seattle, San Francisco) show up on the list, but some might surprise you. From the article: 'Raleigh-Duram - The jocks here may get worked up about college hoops, but the tech set is passionate about Linux distros and Mac-PC holy wars. North Carolina's Triangle is ground zero for Red Hat, SAS Institute, and an IBM center. Bonus: The area hosts two World Beer Festivals a year.'"

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  1. Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, nothing about Provo/Orem? Home of SCO AND Novell? Nothing says tech like "Most mentioned on Groklaw".

    1. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by g1zmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe if someone knew what the hell Provo/Orem means.

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    2. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Foofoobar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Utah. Because when people think Utah, they think tech. Thats what those missionaries are pushing right? Upgrades and virus protection?

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    3. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Funny

      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT, and tend to want lots of kids. Marrying a Utah lass might well be an upgrade and virus protection.

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    4. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by d12v10 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The Bay Area is missing too. How can you do that?!

    5. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT, and tend to want lots of kids. Marrying a Utah lass might well be an upgrade and virus protection.

      ... and you can marry as many of them as you want!

    6. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by DittoBox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brigham Young, Brigham Often.

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    7. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The "Bay Area"? As in the San Francisco Bay Area which is second on the list?

      I can see how you would make that mistake though... it's easy to get "missing" and "not missing" confused.

    8. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Yokaze · · Score: 1

      Do you mean something like the SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA (as it is written in the article at the second place, in capital letters)? Or are you speaking from a different one, unknown to me?

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    9. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      > Pick up no tea

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    10. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by d12v10 · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about the San Jose/Santa Cruz/Cupertino area. It's quite a distance from San Francisco.

    11. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Jahz · · Score: 1
      I'm talking about the San Jose/Santa Cruz/Cupertino area. It's quite a distance from San Francisco.
      True it is a whole 40 minute drive from SF proper. I would consider all those places to be in the "Greater San Francisco" area. Here in eastern MA, people say "Boston" when they mean any far east MA town...
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    12. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by jctull · · Score: 1

      Damn those fools for not putting 'South Bay' on the list!

    13. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by coast215 · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked Novell was headquarted right outside of Boston.

    14. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Bobbolytic · · Score: 1

      Well you see, the San Francisco Bay Area does not refer to the City of SF. It refers to the _area_ surrounding the San Francisco _Bay_, which is the large body of water over which the Golden Gate Bridge spans. So the SF Bay Area (locally known as simply "the Bay Area") includes any city on the shores of the bay. The article can't just say "The Bay Area" though, because there are way too many bays in the US for the author to expect his readers to figure out which fricking bay is being referenced, so he specified which bay area. The San Francisco Bay Area.

      In Los Angeles we have an area called the South Bay. It's specific boundaries can be a bit nebulous; it includes the coastal area from about LAX to Long Beach. But to someone from Iowa, you'd have to say the Los Angeles South Bay area, or they might never find it. I bet the San Francisco Bay Area has a South Bay too. Hmmm.

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    15. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by harrv · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's true, but the majority of the company's engineering talent is in Utah. And the company was founded there.

    16. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by harrv · · Score: 2, Informative

      Say what you will, but Provo is in fact a leader in municipal fiber-to-home. I, for one, enjoy surfing slashdot at 10 Mbps. And not all of us are Mormon. I know I'm sure as hell not.

    17. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny
      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT,

      Maybe to a basement-bound geek who has somehow managed to never discover any pr0n, much less meet a girl in person.

      Here's what Mark Twain had to say about mormon chicks:

      the Mormon women ... these poor, ungainly and pathetically "homely" creatures ... the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure - and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.
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    18. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Vicissidude · · Score: 1

      I dunno if geeks and Mormons mix. Mormons aren't allowed to drink caffeine and geeks tend to consider that a food group...

    19. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      hey Mormon chicks are very frequently HOT

      Until they open their mouths.

      -Eric

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    20. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by zukakog · · Score: 1
      Here's what Mark Twain had to say about mormon chicks: the Mormon women ... these poor, ungainly and pathetically "homely" creatures ... the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure - and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.
      I think Mark might have been a little bitter. When Mark and his party were visiting with Brigham Young, Mark tried to bait Brigham into giving him a few quotes on politics and such for his book. As anyone who's read any of Mark's books should know, he can be a real witty brat. This definitely provides for good reading, but can be rather bothersome in real life. Brigham simply ignored Mark while addressing the party, as an adult might do to a precocious child. Unremarkably, the 'precocious child' resented this treatment. There is even a quote in Marks own book that refers to this:

      "He [Brigham Young] was very simply dressed and was just taking off a straw hat as we entered. He talked about Utah, and the Indians, and Nevada, and general American matters and questions, with our secretary and certain government officials who came with us. But he never paid any attention to me, notwithstanding I made several attempts to 'draw him out' on federal politics and his high handed attitude toward Congress. . . . But he merely looked around at me, at distant intervals, something as I have seen a benignant old cat look around to see which kitten was meddling with her tail. By and by, I subsided into an indignant silence, and so sat until the end, hot and flushed, and execrating him in my heart for an ignorant savage. But he was calm. . . . When the audience was ended and we were retiring from the presence, he put his hand on my head, beamed down on me in an admiring way and said to my brother: 'Ah--your child, I presume? Boy, or girl?'"
      (Mark Twain, Roughing It [Hartford, Conn.: American Publishing Company, 1872], 112-13.)
    21. Re:Nothing about Provo/Orem? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Lol! Is that the Mormon gospel on Mark Twain?

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  2. "Scientific methodology"? by sam_champion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Craigslist postings per capita'. Because we all know the number of Craigslist posting is about as scientific as one can get.

  3. Irvine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The best city in America... like suburbia on crank. Lots of companies, lots of jobs, nice people, lots of money to make. UCI represent!!!!

    1. Re:Irvine by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of suburban wasteland hell. Personally, I'd rather eat glass than go back to working there. So many boring IT companies doing boring stuff too. Yuck, but I guess somebody has to do it somewhere.

    2. Re:Irvine by carlivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I assume you are talking about Irvine, California. It sucks for sure. Too many "planned communities" around there. Barf.

      The rule of thumb for me is: if you have to do a U-Turn to get to a business on the left side of the street, I don't want to live or work there.

      Irvine does get bonus points for the UC-Irvine mascot being the Anteater, however.

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    3. Re:Irvine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, but at least there's lots of parking!

    4. Re:Irvine by carlivar · · Score: 1

      It's easy to have lots of parking when those pesky trains aren't taking up any space.

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    5. Re:Irvine by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Informative

      Too many "planned communities" around there. Agreed. I'd have to get approval from the homeowners committee to put up an antenna for WiFi. I'd have to stop coding and go out a cut my lawn because the homeowners committee had a meeting last night and decided my grass was too long. The homeowners committee won't let me fly my model helicopter around because it makes too much noise. Forget doing my own car repairs in the driveway...

      No way.

      About the only advantage Irvine has is lots of bike trails.
    6. Re:Irvine by scrubjay · · Score: 1

      I think this is the first time i have ever heard Irvine referred to without its normal prefix: Fucking

    7. Re:Irvine by dwrugh · · Score: 1

      Orange County should have been a contender; lots of tech companies here from the boring but stable big companies to the white knuckle startups. You don't have to live in Irvine to work there; live in North County where you have great hiking/mountain biking and you can get to the beaches or the ski slopes in less than an hour; and there are plenty of parks for the kids to play team sports or exercise the dog.

    8. Re:Irvine by ScrappyLaptop · · Score: 1

      Wait; isn't Orange County part of the San Francisco Bay Area?

    9. Re:Irvine by solidh2o · · Score: 1

      Give it a couple more years it might be!

  4. Methodology *hiccup* by Aeiedil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does the scientific methodology involve personally sampling the beer festivals? Would be curious to see an equivilant evaluation in england heh :)

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    1. Re:Methodology *hiccup* by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Honest answer to rhetorical question:

      No it does not involve personally sampling. It would involve watching someone else selected from a pool of applicants doing so.

  5. Heh, filler by HaeMaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How did this filler article get on Slashdot?

    They have icons in the article that don't appear in the legend. AUSTIN has a spot for an icon without an icon. Somehow, the Bay Area doesn't have a university rating, even though it has Stanford and Cal.

    I could go on, but I wasted enough of my time, and yours.

    1. Re:Heh, filler by Pixie_From_Hell · · Score: 1
      They have icons in the article that don't appear in the legend. AUSTIN has a spot for an icon without an icon.
      That would be for schools. View source: the icon is named geekshools.gif (compare to geekjobs.gif or geekcraigslist.gif or geekwifi.gif).

      I could go on, but I wasted enough of my time, and yours.
      Sigh. I'm wasting my time, too, so no one else needs to...
    2. Re:Heh, filler by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      "View Source" says AUSTIN icon #3 is supposed to be "geekschools" since I am sure you care.
      Which icon isn't in the legend?

      I actually liked the article, hadn't heard of dorkbot, googled, am pissed I missed the innovation in gaming talk held in seattle last month.

    3. Re:Heh, filler by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      Pasaderna is near LA, and they count it in LA's score. But Berkley is near San Fransisco, and so San Fransisco deserves the rating.

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  6. Los Alamos by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about places like Los Alamos (LANL), Albuquerque (SNL, LM etc.) or Batavia (FNAL).

    If by tech they only mean CS related stuff, then sure, that list makes sense.

    But Los Alamos has some of the smartest and best people and has a lot of "real" tech.

    I mean, if particle accelerators, rocket science and weapons tech. don't constitute real technology while AJAX is counted as a technology, I must be missing something.

    1. Re:Los Alamos by Idbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about Techny, IL? That sounds like a "tech" city to me!

    2. Re:Los Alamos by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      I wish I hadn't wasted the last of my mod points in another discussion. Take a virtual +5 from me...the definition of what they mean by 'tech' is seriously myopic any more. As you pointed out, it's not all just SOAP, AJAX and clusters. There's so much more.

    3. Re:Los Alamos by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it's your definition of "city" that is different from theirs. ;)

    4. Re:Los Alamos by SETIGuy · · Score: 1
      But Los Alamos has some of the smartest and best people and has a lot of "real" tech.

      But it's also one of the most boring places on the planet, especially for teens, as evidenced by high rates of teen suicide attempts and a very low teen pregnancy rate. It might be the one spot on the planet where a teen geek isn't even guaranteed a spot on the high school chess team.

    5. Re:Los Alamos by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well...given cities and this comment on Wired regarding the location of Austin "Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas", my Liberal Radar is beeping pretty fast.

      Also, they would never name Los Alamos because they are "da war machine". You know how it goes...

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    6. Re:Los Alamos by ksheff · · Score: 1

      That's the best thing about Austin besides the Broken Spoke! Someday, I'm going to have a vacation where I do nothing but drive around and visit the BBQ joints, dancehalls, etc in the little towns in the Texas hill country.

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    7. Re:Los Alamos by metlin · · Score: 1

      Actually, I rather like Texas (my girlfriend's family is from Oklahoma, which I guess, depending on where you are from is either called Northern Texas or alternatively they call Texas Southern Oklahoma - but I digress).

      The thing is, Texas has some of nicest people I've seen, but if you heard the news media they would portray Texas as the home of the hicks. Which I suppose is funny in its own way.

      And having worked at Los Alamos, it's one of the nicest places to be at.

      Seriously, while I do like the midwest, I really like that entire region (NM/CO/TX/OK) - kinda nice, and would love to settle down there later in life. Middle of nowhere kinda takes on a whole new meaning.

    8. Re:Los Alamos by metlin · · Score: 1

      Thanks, and yup. I do not know where Wired gets its definition of "tech" - but the last time I checked, real technology was taking place in some material sciences lab or in a rocket science test centre. Wonder where technology got limited to stereotypical CS-geek-types. Bah.

  7. "Circuit City sotres per capita"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely that's a negative index. What an utterly useless franchise.

    - chad

  8. Copy and paste problems? by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's "Durham". Jesus, Slashdot editors can't even copy and paste now? Is that a Linux problem?

    But seriously, RDU shouldn't be a surprise. We have Duke, UNC-Chapel Hill, and NC State all within 30 minutes or so from each other, and we have Research Triangle Park here. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill was a great, cheap place to enjoy the dot-com boom. We've got IBM (10,000+ employees), Cisco, a small MS office, whatever MCI is now (worldcom?), Nortel, Ericsson, Red Hat, and tons and tons of start ups.

    Also, UNC-Chapel Hill is home to Sunsite, which became ibiblio. So yeah, it's dork heaven, but without the SF prices.

    1. Re:Copy and paste problems? by MadMorf · · Score: 2, Funny

      We've got IBM (10,000+ employees), Cisco, a small MS office, whatever MCI is now (worldcom?), Nortel, Ericsson, Red Hat, and tons and tons of start ups.

      Not to mention Network Appliance, EMC, Cree Semiconductor, Glaxo-Smith Kline, BASF, LabCorp, Quintiles, Bayer CropScience, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, the US Environmental Protection Agency Supercomputer Center and the Sanrio Hello Kitty Store at Crabtree Mall.

    2. Re:Copy and paste problems? by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Network Appliance, EMC, Cree Semiconductor, Glaxo-Smith Kline, BASF, LabCorp, Quintiles, Bayer CropScience, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, the US Environmental Protection Agency Supercomputer Center and the Sanrio Hello Kitty Store at Crabtree Mall.

      There's a Sanrio Hello Kitty Store at Crabtree Valley Mall?!?!

    3. Re:Copy and paste problems? by pjones · · Score: 1

      It's not that secret since you can see the Google banner from the street. No, I'm not telling which street.

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    4. Re:Copy and paste problems? by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Sunsite? I remember when it was metalab.

    5. Re:Copy and paste problems? by lunenburg · · Score: 1

      There's a Sanrio Hello Kitty Store at Crabtree Valley Mall?!?!

      Sure is, second level, by the food court, across from EB Games.

    6. Re:Copy and paste problems? by pjones · · Score: 1

      I remember when it was laUNChpad ;-> In 1992, it became sunsite. Later briefly metalab (beginning 1998). Then in fall of 2000, we became ibiblio.org

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  9. Just moved out of Raleigh by Thaidog · · Score: 1

    It's true that there is a lot of tech jobs but your certainly not a commodity in the RTP. I just moved down to Hilton Head SC from Raleigh and now I'm in demand. My skills are good for a sysadmin but there are just too many people doing that in the RTP area to expect to get paid like you should be paid.

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  10. Circuit City? by idlemind · · Score: 1

    Circuit City is far from a tech store. They could have used Radioshack at least; even that is a stretch now days.

  11. New ranking method by RichPowers · · Score: 1

    The top US tech city will be home to whomever invents a device that administers an electric shock to Zonk whenever he approves embarrassingly shitty articles.

    As for the article, what's the deal with the legend? Are they just trying to create the most confusing display of all time?

  12. RDU by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    Raliegh/Durham is a good choice but don't forget Atlanta. Lots of things happening there and an overabundance of women! I mean the fast kind of women, they don't have to talk to much before the get their clothes off. At least that was true when I went there a couple of times when single.

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    1. Re:RDU by alais4 · · Score: 1

      Is that supposed to be a good thing? I don't know if it's exactly the way to obtain everlasting love. :P

      There seems to be 90% male looking for female postings on Geek 2 Geek. Washington would be a nice place for single geeky females.

    2. Re:RDU by urbanRealist · · Score: 1

      I was single when I moved to DC, but this month I'm moving in with my beautiful girlfriend. Not that I've ever even heard of Geek 2 Geek, but I'm a software developer typing this on my Gentoo box.

      Washington is not just a nice place for geeky females, but for geeky singles. I have to go to sleep now so we can look at houses tomorrow morning, so good night, but to be successful in DC, you must be able to adapt to an urban environment. I've been robbed twice, once at gun point. I've seen people get shot in a drive by that happend right in front of me.

      DC is truly an opportunity for those who can adapt.
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    3. Re:RDU by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      No, thats how to get laid regularly. Real love is almost never found in a bar. I met my wife in a summer school math class 24.5 years ago. Trust me, it's the most I ever got out of a math class!

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  13. Things I would use to measure techie density... by joNDoty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Assuming we can measure these, of course:
    * PC boxes per capita
    * Bittorrent activity
    * Secured wifi networks per capita
    * Wikipedia contributors
    * Middle-aged men/women with same legal residence as parents
    * Slashdot accounts
    * Cowboyneal
    *...others?

    1. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by silentounce · · Score: 1

      * Middle-aged men/women with same legal residence as parents
      * Slashdot accounts Mod parent redundant/fantasy.
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    2. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      how about:

      daily amounts of caffeine used per capita
      number of pizza's ordered per organization

      ?

    3. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by Xemu · · Score: 1
      Assuming we can measure these, of course:
      * PC boxes per capita


      Iceland wins this category, hands down.
      * Bittorrent activity


      Sweden (Thepiratebay.Org!)

      * Secured wifi networks per capita


      Holland (check out the global wireless mapping projects)

      * Wikipedia contributors


      Iraq? Until they got blocked.

      * Middle-aged men/women with same legal residence as parents


      Italy or Spain. Seriosly.

      *...others?


      Mars doesn't appear to have a high techie density but if water is found, all bets are off.
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    4. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      What about Akihabara (the electronics capitol of Tokyo)?

    5. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      With all the bittorrent traffic though, unsecured wifi might be on purpose. Plausible deniability and all that...

    6. Re:Things I would use to measure techie density... by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Legal residence doesn't count. I haven't been staying at my parents' place for the last six-and-a-half years (except for quick trips every year), but I'm required to list that address for legal reasons in my country of birth.

      Besides, most folks in Asia live with their parents till they get married, so.

  14. Let's save some time... by carlivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about [insert city or region here]?! It has [insert club, university, or company here]!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

    Carl

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  15. Yay, Mad Libs! by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Funny
    What about Atlanta, Georgia?! It has Georgia Tech!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

    Okay, who's next?

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    1. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by JoshJ · · Score: 1

      As good of a school as GT is, the rest of atlanta is not that great of a place to live. The city seems to be going backwards, not forward.

    2. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by IdleTime · · Score: 3, Funny

      Me!

      What about Orlando, Florida?! It has UCF!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!
      Wait.... never mind...

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    3. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by vought · · Score: 1

      What about Baton Rouge, Louisiana?! It has LSU!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

      And they have a supercomputer named after a tiger!!! And refineries!!! And no DSL!!!

      Never mind...

    4. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by metlin · · Score: 1


      GT is great tech. school, but Atlanta is sucky.

      Lousy city (not to mention conservative icky south) and a very unfriendly place.

      Georgia Tech was wonderful, although UGA and GSU had all the chicks. :)

    5. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by pluther · · Score: 1
      What about Stockton, CA?! It has University of the Pacific!!! Because I live here or went to school here, it MUST be in this list!

      Really, where else will the computer lab workers even know what the difference between a AT and ATX case is, let alone be able to point to them?

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    6. Re:Yay, Mad Libs! by PW2 · · Score: 1

      but Atlanta is sucky.

      It is getting better here (just be sure to live close to work somehow) -- The skyline is getting better each month (if you aren't building your next mixed-use-highrise-building here now, you may be missing out) -- also, more people from the North are moving here and requesting that beer be sold on Sunday.

  16. Washington DC may have made the list... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    ...but it is nothing without Fry's!
    Please save us?

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    1. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by CharAznable · · Score: 1

      We do have Microcenter, off the Vienna metro. I guess it counts.

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    2. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by kneel · · Score: 1

      we have microcenter though.

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    3. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      MicroCenter is OK, but Fry's is more gooder.

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    4. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by yuriismaster · · Score: 1

      Amen to that brother. I'm going back to DC for the summer (internship) and possibly staying there for the fall (Georgetown transfer, cmon :)), but I will miss my Fry's in vegas so desperately. Right off the freeway, approximately 4 miles from campus, and a 300GB SATA drive for 80 bucks!!! *sigh* I'll just have to stick with Woot! and newegg while I'm up there.

    5. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1
      but it is nothing without Fry's!
      Please refer to that company by its full name. It's Fry's "Does Anyone Speak English here and have a clue where anything is?" Electronics.
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    6. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by vought · · Score: 1

      Please refer to that company by its full name. It's Fry's "Does Anyone Speak English here and have a clue where anything is?" Electronics.

      I think your expectations are a bit high there.

      The trick is to visit one Fry's often, figure out where everything is, and return there when you need more stuff.

      Staying on topic, I miss the old "circuits" Sunnyvale store. I try telling people here in Baton Rouge about Fry's (especially the Palo Alto store) and they don't get it. I get puzzled looks as people try to imagine Best Buy with a western motif.

    7. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone care about a box-store when NoVA has so many industrial parks? If you're looking for something truly interesting, just drive around back in those. The distributors often have small retail operations attached. It's been a while since I've been out in the 'burbs so maybe it's not so good these days. Shirley-Edsel just off 395 near the Beltway used to be my favorite. They had Reed Plastics, where you could get all kinds of lucite stuff. Then there was this electronics place that had all kinds of unusually sized rechargeable batteries and a parts department about 10 times the size of a typical radio shack. Interesting little startups are often coming and going in these parks too.

      IPs are not as convenient as an all-in-one box store of course, but they are far more diverse and interesting. The one near my neighborhood actually had an arcade machine distro when I was in my teens. They might let you play one game without a quarter if you asked nicely, then they'd kick you out. The interesting thing was that they also moved slot machines through there--allegedly legal if the establishment didn't pay out on them, which they didn't... at least... not during regular business hours. :)

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    8. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Dude, I live just SE of the Mixing Bowl, and I am not even slightly interested in trying to find good stuff like that: the traffic is too soul-crushing.

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    9. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Completely concur, if you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere. However, people do need to realize that by Washington DC, the article really must mean Northern Virginia and Maryland. Washington D.C. per se is just the ~400K population mid-size town in set in the middle of the 6 million population metro area. I would doubt that D.C itself has any significant industry.

    10. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      I would doubt that D.C itself has any significant industry.
      See, now, you probably didn't intend a joke about the government, which makes this all the funnier. ;)
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    11. Re:Washington DC may have made the list... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      While a tech company in DC itself is considered "different", I know they exist because I work for one. We've got a certain ammount of pride in that difference, and that we attract more creative, urban, "socially conscious" employees. More common locations have been the butt of jokes, Chantilly being referred to as "Chantucky". I say "have been" because there is a chance we will leave the city, but there is a strong desire for us to at least stay Metro accessable and not be in "just another office box on a highway strip". We'll have to wait and see...

      While "hard tech" and defense contractors are probably less common in the city, web design firms that need creative types seem to be more common. One of our web devs left to work for a company in the Columbia Heights neighborhood.

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  17. who sponsored the study? by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Portland, Oregon, had a free wireless project downtown FIVE YEARS AGO.
    Is Circuit City really sponsoring this? I'd have thought they'd have chosen Fry's, instead, for a techie store.
    The Portland area actually has both, actually.

    And wtf is dorkbot? This seems all about promoting pet projects (or sponsors).

    1. Re:who sponsored the study? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      About the only reason I can see for Circuit City is that it's national. Fry's is a much better choice, but it's a pretty small chain and it's mostly out west.

      Of course, one could also make the argument that the absence of a Fry's means that it's not a good tech site. After all, if it were a good tech site, Fry's would build a store there.

    2. Re:who sponsored the study? by k_187 · · Score: 1

      Then why did they put one in Indianapolis? Not that I'm complaining. My wallet on the other hand...

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    3. Re:who sponsored the study? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      OTOH, it is owned by Krogers.

      "After all, if it were a good tech site, Fry's would build a store there."
      thus making it less of a tech site.

      Really, it's not that great, and if you want a something worth a damn, it's more expensive.
      Disclosure:
      I did own Frysucks.com at one time.

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    4. Re:who sponsored the study? by chromatic · · Score: 1
      I did own Frysucks.com at one time.

      Bender? Is that you?

    5. Re:who sponsored the study? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      There's also Microcenter which is not as good as Fry's, and has increased in suckitude
      over the last few years, but is still much better than Circuit City or Best Buy.

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    6. Re:who sponsored the study? by hawaiian717 · · Score: 1
      OTOH, it is owned by Krogers.

      Fry's the grocery store is. Fry's the electronics store was founded by the kids of one of the founders of the grocery store.
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    7. Re:who sponsored the study? by wolf31o2 · · Score: 1

      "Portland, Oregon, had a free wireless project downtown FIVE YEARS AGO."

      Sure... and Greenville, South Carolina had one about 3 years ago. However, covering *only* downtown isn't the same as city-wide municipal wi-fi.

  18. Re:Circuit City Stores per capita!? by rblancarte · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is because the list can't figure out which it is, Most Geek or Most Tech.

    I mean, they talk about the top 10 Tech Towns, but then it is more about where to be a geek than where to find tech. Thus the inclusion of Circuit City Stores (which IMHO don't belong on a Geek list), because "geeks shop there". Also look at the inclusion of Comic book shops, personal ads, and Dorkbot.

    Sorry, but I thought this was a list of top Tech towns. But it is a list of top geek towns, and as a resident of Austin, I am embarrased by its inclusion.

    RonB

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  19. San Diego by Sargeant+Slaughter · · Score: 1

    Big tech sector (Qualcomm, Sony, Oracle, IBM, and many others), several major universities, high speed internet county-wide (Cox, Time warner, and DSL avail almost everywhere, not to mention verizon high speed wireless which is UNavailable in most of the cities on the top ten list), and hundreds of very competitive small computer stores (nearly all Asian owned and usually cheaper than the deals in Frys).

    I used to live in Santa Cruz ('99-2001) and spent a lotta time in the silicon valley. When I moved to San Diego I incorrectly thought it wouldn't compare to up there tech-wise. Now 5 years later, I think there is more down here, it just isn't hyped up as much because we have so much more going on besides computers (see: weather, girls (omg, the girls!!!), surf, military, mexico, it goes on and on). I love this city and will probably never leave, so I guess I'm a little biased. The average comp nerd probably cant appreciate everything SD has to offer, but they would have to admit we've got it goin on tech-wise.

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  20. Flabberghasted, Bay Area NOT proximate to schools? by Dan+Farina · · Score: 1

    This is is going to come up more than a few times, but this just makes no sense whatsoever. Berkeley and Stanford have some of the finest programs in the nation, and are generally regarded as tied with CMU and MIT for #1 PhD program in Computer Science.

    And you have BOTH of them. That seems like a considerable oversight, especially for a tech oriented rag.

  21. A measure of who reads /. might be better... by Durrok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot should be able to pull a majority of our IPs and figure out what general area we are browsing the web from. Then you could compare how many unique hits you got from a particular state/providence/country vs the entire population of that area and get a "geek index". Might want to toss something in there for volume as well for corporations/schools, etc. Would not be completely accurate but a hell of a lot closer then the "circuit city index".

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    1. Re:A measure of who reads /. might be better... by metlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming geek refers to users of the Internet.

      There are other technologies and sciences out there with far geekier folks (e.g. biology, mathematics, physics, chemistry, various kinds of engineering etc.)

    2. Re:A measure of who reads /. might be better... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Your examples is an example of Nerds, not geeks. Nerds actually do something.

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    3. Re:A measure of who reads /. might be better... by metlin · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily.

      You can be a geek of biology, a geek of music, a geek of astronomy or a geek of computer science.

      Being geeky is not the sole dominion of slashdotter CS geeks. ;)

    4. Re:A measure of who reads /. might be better... by metlin · · Score: 1
      Hate replying twice, but here I go.

      Wikipedia defines geek as:

      A geek is an individual who is fascinated, perhaps obsessively, by obscure or very specific areas of knowledge and imagination, usually electronic or virtual in nature. Geek may not always have the same meaning as the term nerd. The Merriam-Webster definitions are "1: a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake 2: a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked 3: an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity."


      So, you'd think that if someone has gotten a PhD in particle physics dealing with neutrino deep elastic scattering or material science dealing with hypersonic photonic crystals, they are definitely fascinated and interested in something obscure and have specific knowledge of that domain.

      And if someone plays the violin with a great deal of interest or is an audiophile, they are enthusiasts with a lot of interest in their activity.

      So, why would you not consider them geeky? They may also be nerdy, but that does not make them non-geeky.

  22. The thing about Austin by mogrify · · Score: 4, Informative

    AUSTIN
    ...Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas.

    While it's clearly true that Austin is surrounded by Texas, that's not actually a downside. Texas has some of the most beautiful landscapes I've ever seen, and the close proximity of many interesting geographical features (Hamilton Pool, Enchanted Rock) is a definite plus for Austin.

    Having grown up there, I'd say the actual downside is that Austin is surrounded by Texans.

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    1. Re:The thing about Austin by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Having grown up there, I'd say the actual downside is that Austin is surrounded by Texans.

      Dude, Texans aren't worse than people anywhere else. In fact, as long as you're not killing anyone, they're probably more likely to leave you alone and not complain than "sophisticated" Easterners and Californians. Every place has its reputation, but everywhere you get cool people and sucky people. Try to find the cool ones and ignore the others. Life's too short to do otherwise.

      -b.

    2. Re:The thing about Austin by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      ...downside is that Austin is surrounded by Texans.

      Don't we get a few points for Tom Delay moving to Virginia?
      I'll tell you what! I mean! Boy howdy!

    3. Re:The thing about Austin by mogrify · · Score: 1

      Yeah, y'all are definitely better off. Too bad I live in Virginia now, too :(

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    4. Re:The thing about Austin by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I took offense to that too. "Austin is surrounded by Texas."

      In Texas is Houston. Which contains Compaq (HP, now), Woot.com and NASA. Come on, is NASA not techie enough for you? Rice U, medical center and UofH.
      San Antonio has the river walk (Beer fest!) and a slew of military bases.
      Dallas... well, it had a TV show.

      And there ain't nothin' wrong with Texans. Your average Texas redneck will give you the shirt off his back (not that you'd want it), have you over for dinner and offer you a place to stay if you needed it. Who was it that took in all those Katrina evacuees? I'll give you a hint: I didn't see Georgia or even friggin Louisiana stepping up to help out!

      Oh, and Texas girls are some of the hottest anywhere. They qualify as Texas as well! Maybe the author doesn't like girls!

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    5. Re:The thing about Austin by argoff · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. The cost of living index is lower than all the other cities, and Texas has no state income tax, and lower taxes over all (except for property, which is competitive)

    6. Re:The thing about Austin by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

      Actually, property tax in TX is pretty brutal. Much worse than Seattle. But the houses, insurance, and everything else are so much cheaper that yes, it is a good cost of living.

    7. Re:The thing about Austin by friendscallmelenny · · Score: 1

      Don't forget hippie hollow!

    8. Re:The thing about Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Don't worry, the coastal elite will leave you alone too.

    9. Re:The thing about Austin by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Don't worry, the coastal elite will leave you alone too.

      I'm from NJ and NYC. We have our own reputation, I guess. My point was that there are decent and intelligent people to be found almost everywhere and when we move or travel, we should leave our preconceptions at the door.

      -b.

    10. Re:The thing about Austin by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      I love Austin. I love Texas and I love Texans.

    11. Re:The thing about Austin by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the German cities in Texas such as New Braunfels and Fredericksburg.

      The great beer and festivles.

    12. Re:The thing about Austin by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with Virginia?

    13. Re:The thing about Austin by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      Unless you happen to be a member of the LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual or Transgendered) community... in which case they'd rather string you up and hang you from a big ass tree in front of their house because it's the "Christian" thing to do. Pretty funny considering there was a saying about Texas... steers and queers or something?

      I hate to inform you, but bigotry exists in all 50 states. While I have not lived in 50, I can tell you that Texas is one of the more "gay-friendly" places I've lived. Of course, you want to stay in the bigger cities as small towns everywhere have issues.

      I remember one of the larges student groups at UofH was the GLSA. One of my first college girlfriends from Sam Houston State (in East Texas) turned out to be bi. My first and latest boss in Austin were gay, (and uncomfortably so.)

      So just because we are in the south, don't assume we all the ignorant hicks you see on TV. That's being just as bigotedly as you are accusing Texans of being.

      (is bigotedly a word? Firefox picked it :)

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    14. Re:The thing about Austin by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Texas is actually short for "Texas sucks".

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    15. Re:The thing about Austin by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      Dallas... well, it had a TV show.

      Dallas and its suburbs have Texas Instruments, Nortel, Ericsson, Alcatel, and a bunch of smaller tech companies that were started by people that left the bigger ones.

    16. Re:The thing about Austin by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      ... morons who *voted* for him in the first place

      How is it possible for a resident of Austin to have voted for Tom Delay?
      He was elected to a different congressional district.

    17. Re:The thing about Austin by Yosho · · Score: 1

      Actually, the name is derived from the Caddoan word "tejas," which means "friends." Have a nice day!

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    18. Re:The thing about Austin by PW2 · · Score: 1

      I'll give you a hint: I didn't see Georgia or even friggin Louisiana stepping up to help out!

      Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen: Where Are They Now?

    19. Re:The thing about Austin by Abattoir · · Score: 1

      IBM also has a large facility in Austin.

  23. Re:Flabberghasted, Bay Area NOT proximate to schoo by bondjamesbond · · Score: 1

    Wired is merely pseudo tech oriented... more like gadget oriented, so take what they print with a boulder of salt.

  24. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by TiMac · · Score: 1
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  25. On the subject of Austin by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    Central Market pwns Whole Foods, and its not even close. Technical, CM is San Antonio-based, but the first one was in Austin.

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    1. Re:On the subject of Austin by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      "Central Market pwns Whole Foods"

      I'd agree, but the're both Texas based. I don't even think Central Market or H.E.B. exists outside of Texas does it?

  26. Re:Raleigh Durham by brightmidnight · · Score: 1

    NC State fifth-ranked? Is that really true? According to US News, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign's engineering program is ranked fifth, NC State is 33rd. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng /brief/engrank_brief.php That's for grad schools. Is NC State really, really better at undergrad than graduate school or what? I don't see where you're getting that number. NC State does have a great solar house, though.

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  27. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 1

    Durham World Beer Fest... That certainly takes me back. A bunch of drunks under a tent located on the minor league ball diamond where 'Bull Durham' was shot. Lots of mud and lots beer. Good drunken memories of graduate school.

  28. What's wrong with Texas? by Yosho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AUSTIN
    Inspiration for Slacker, epicenter of the first EFF battle, home to Dell, Whole Foods, and South by Southwest. Not to mention host to the most dorkbot attendees in the country. Only downside: It's surrounded by Texas.


    I'm going to have to chime in with the other people who are disagreeing. While it sure is popular to hate on Texas, I'd be willing to be that the vast majority of people who do so have never actually lived here. We've got beautiful landscapes, a low cost-of-living, plenty of space, and three of the top ten largest cities in the US. Yes, the majority of people here consider themselves Republicans, but if you're willing to get past somebody's political views, there are also lots of friendly people. About the only thing I don't like is that the summers get so dang hot.. but the mild winters (unless you live up in the panhandle) make up for it.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with Texas? by Yosho · · Score: 1

      What matters in life are people, and it's so much easier to connect with people in Europe than it is in these conservative bedrocks where people think the neighbours are too close if they can see their house.

      So in other words, you've never actually been to any of the big cities in Texas. Come back and try again when you have something other than hyperbole.

      In some parts of N. America (yes, Texas), if you don't conform to the hegemony then you better damn well keep quiet about it lest you might offend somebody.

      That's true in some places of any country. In practice, however, you'll find that all big cities have quite a bit of diversity in them.

      Yes, some of the most awesome and amazing people I know are Americans, and my life would be immensely impoverished without them. It's too bad about where they live, and the endless, mindlessly dull, condescending and jingoistic nob-ends around them.

      Ah, I see. It's not Texas that's boring, but all of America. Your trolling has exceeded the limits of believability.

      it's just so a superficial air

      Well, if we're going to take cheap shots at people who don't meticulously comb over their grammar when posting to Slashdot...

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    2. Re:What's wrong with Texas? by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      It was a cheap shot considering your grammar is really not all that much better.

      You have obviously never been to Texas my friend.

      Let us know when you have something other than a uninformed opinion.

      You do know that a lot of us here in Texas are from Germany right? My entire family is from Germany. We came over here during the world wars.

    3. Re:What's wrong with Texas? by chr1skearney · · Score: 1

      Ok, so in an article about the best tech cities how can someone honestly list "surrounded by Texas" as a downside to Austin? You know, maybe that the area only offers DSL (obviously not true, just looking for an example), something like that would be a "Downside". Heres what I've determined. 1. The writer of this article is so ignorant that he assumes no one in Texas, or the rest of the country could possibly offended by a comment like that. -or- 2. Hes intentionally trying to offend people. Anyways, the article sucked. Wired shouldn't be putting up crap like this. BTW, check out Pat Di Justo's (article's author) livejournal profile. Most notably his "member of section": Member of: 4: eroticbpm, philthyronchy, raverporn, vintage_sex His quote is "A tale told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." At least he can admit hes an idiot. but come on Wired, is this who writes for your magazine?

  29. Portland OR Metro area by sysopd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What about Portland, OR?

    1. Re:Portland OR Metro area by sysopd · · Score: 1
      Oh and I almost forgot.

      Portland is home to more breweries than any other city in the country. There are over 28 breweries within the city and more in the surrounding metro area. Portland is home to the so-called "microbrew revolution". The Oregon Brewers Festival is the largest independant craft brewers gathering in North America. There's also the Portland International Beerfest and the Spring Beer and Wine Festival.

      Not to mention portland has an advanced mass transit system, Tri-Met, with Lightrail (MAX) and the Portland StreetCar. Google provides online trip planning for Tri-Met as well.

    2. Re:Portland OR Metro area by gurudyne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And let's not forget, also the home of http://freegeek.org/ "Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millenium"

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    3. Re:Portland OR Metro area by sjelkjd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hewlett Packard is based in Silicon Valley. They may have an office in Portland, but the company's history is in California.

    4. Re:Portland OR Metro area by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

      Same with Yahoo and Sun. I also seem to recall that Linus came from somewhere before he lived in SI Valley. But I can't seem to recall where... Hmm...

    5. Re:Portland OR Metro area by sysopd · · Score: 1
      Also one of Austin's reasons is listed as "Home to Whole Foods"

      Portland is home to New Seasons (8 locations) a natural/organic store similar to Whole Foods. There are two Whole Foods stores in the Portland area as well as several Wild Oats Marketplaces.

      That makes three large natural/organic grocery chains in the area!

      And if you don't want to have to leave home to get your natural foods there are at least two competing home delivery companies, Organics to You and Pioneer Organics!

      There's also several natural food Co-Ops such as the People's Food Co-op and Food Front cooperative grocery. Last year the People's Co-op successfully tested an opensource POS system.

      Portland also is home to OHSU (Oregon Health and Science University) home to several major research departments.

      Portland's Indymedia site (Independant Media Center; IMC) is a large independant media outlet and one of the oldest and largest in the indymedia network.

    6. Re:Portland OR Metro area by sysopd · · Score: 1
      Same with Yahoo and Sun. I also seem to recall that Linus came from somewhere before he lived in SI Valley. But I can't seem to recall where... Hmm...

      Correct, I wrote "located here" because they have locations in portland. I was incorrect about HP however.

    7. Re:Portland OR Metro area by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      Good point. I have heard a lot of good things about Portland from friends.

      Next time my friends band goes up there (from Texas) I'll have to come along. I hear the people are great too.

    8. Re:Portland OR Metro area by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      Nice.

      Texas is pretty close too. About 25 or so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_beer_and_brewer ies

    9. Re:Portland OR Metro area by nsaspook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Portland has more strip clubs per capita than any city in America.
      http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2006/12/st rip_clubs_help.php

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    10. Re:Portland OR Metro area by defaria · · Score: 1

      Home of "the other white meat"! There's a lot of porkers up there!

  30. And of course... by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 1

    we also all know that no one submitting to /. would ever be sarcastic.

    1. Re:And of course... by potat0man · · Score: 1

      Funny that his not getting the initial sarcasm prompted him to make his own sarcastic comment about the initial sarcastic comment. You'd think he'd have stopped dead halfway through typing the post and gone, "Oh, right."

      Some of us just don't have that impulse it seems.

  31. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by samkass · · Score: 1

    Beer's probably why Pittsburgh made the list.

    This seems to be the only tech town in the country where the geeks have made peace with the football players and everyone just goes out to have beer and pierogies.

    (Actually, I suspect we made the list because of the "per capita" measurements. There's an awful lot of high tech-- from bio to hardware and software-- for a small city tucked in amongst a few rivers and woods.)

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  32. Any mention of number of VCs? by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

    If there's not an engine of some kind producing new tech businesses, you can now fuck off please and go back to your wanna-be status. New York City - I'm looking at YOU. Got any lawyers deferring up to 50,000.00 dollars worth of business to help seed-service new shops or are you still nickle and dimeing them to death? Feh, Bah, and mmmmMMMMeh!

    1. Re:Any mention of number of VCs? by SilentStrike · · Score: 1

      There is always Silicon Alley.

      (Coming from a New York City Tech Geek who'd probably be happier in San Francicso if it weren't for his girlfriend and family).

  33. Biggest Flamebait Story by Foochee · · Score: 1

    Why don't they post a story about who's dad can beat up another dad

    1. Re:Biggest Flamebait Story by geekoid · · Score: 1, Funny

      Because my dad would win, Gah.

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  34. Craigslist rocks by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found a lovebird hiding in a bush one day a few years ago, in a row of hedges just outside work; obviously someone's pet had escaped. I forget what I originally used to capture it; I think I got it into a paper bag and brought it in. That bird was freaked.

    I went on Craigslist and found someone in the neighborhood who was advertising free bird cages that he was throwing away. So I emailed the guy and he replied with his address, saying he was leaving for work, but the cages would be out front with the trash. I went over to his house with a friend of mine and they were by the curb like he said. We took one and left.

    With the bird now in its free cage I posted "FOUND LOVEBIRD" on Craigslist and a guy up the street responded. He said he kept love birds and canaries in cages outside his business (he ran a day care), and that he was missing one of his two lovebirds. A few people in the office who were in the habit of taking walks confirmed this, saying yes, they remembered seeing birds there, it's obviously one of those.

    So case closed. We took our lovebird in its free cage, and walked over to this guy's business. Lovebirds don't like being alone; they want to be in pairs. And they use a species-specific call to find other lovebirds. So as we approached, the birds started "pinging" each other back and forth with this call, which became more frequent as we approached. And they went nuts in their cages as they became fully aware of each other. It was actually a pretty cool thing to see. We let our bird hop into the cage with the other one, and they started chatting with each other and flying around like mad.

    The guy was puzzled, because it wasn't the same lovebird that he lost. But we left it there anyway. It worked out well for everybody. My friend and I got to skip work for a while, didn't pay for anything, the guy got his free replacement lovebird, and the replacement lovebird not only survived but found a good home with his other lovebird. All thanks to Craigslist. I hope his original lovebird also found a good home.

    1. Re:Craigslist rocks by sam_champion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's funny, I can't seem to find any place in my posting that disparages Craigslist. I personally enjoy the site and use it for a wide variety of purposes, and it has been more than helpful in just about every aspect. However, I would not consider the activity level on the site itself to be any indication of how "tech friendly" a particular location is. All it really takes to utilize the site is a working internet browser and a working level of knowledge towards the site's very existence. A number of people I know regularly browse through the postings on Craigslist, and the majority of them could not be considered "tech"y in the least. The vast number of references I hear towards the site, in conversation or otherwise, are in reference to housing and job postings - not something that requires any technical background. Perhaps these people are the non-tech exception to the average user, but I cannot base my opinion beyond my direct experience. Given this, I cannot see why Craiglist, in particular, was used as relative data for "scientific" research on how tech-savvy a particular city is - as opposed to other potential factors that might bear more significance.

    2. Re:Craigslist rocks by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's funny, I can't seem to find any place in my posting that disparages Craigslist.
      What's funny? I just saw a chance to tell my Craigslist lovebird story. Your got your Troll and Overrated mods from other people.

      However, I would not consider the activity level on the site itself to be any indication of how "tech friendly" a particular location is. All it really takes to utilize the site is a working internet browser and a working level of knowledge towards the site's very existence. A number of people I know regularly browse through the postings on Craigslist, and the majority of them could not be considered "tech"y in the least.
      You're missing the point of why usage of Craigslist (or any site like it) is a useful index of a community's tech savviness. A necessary requirement (although obviously not a sufficient one) for Craigslist's usefulness is for a lot of web users to be in town. Low Craigslist usage says nothing abut a community, but high Craigslist usage strongly indicates that this requirement at least (among others) has been met. High Ebay usage would also indicate that, but not quite as much- since an Ebay interaction only requires one local user, and Craigslist interactions require two. Ebay is still useful to tech-savvy people who live in "non-tech-savvy" places, in a way that Craigslist is not. Craigslist's usefulness is severely impacted by where you live.

      My own tech savviness has been relatively constant, and Craigslist would have been useless to me in most of the places I've lived. I would have never found the birdcage; I'd probably be stuck with a bird in a bag regardless of my basic web skills. Craigslist is useful in Silicon Valley because everyone knows that everyone else is using it, like the way Orkut is most useful to Brazilians after reaching critical mass in Brazil.

      No matter how tech savvy a place is, Craigslist (or any site like it) is only going to be useful if everyone in town regularly turns to it, like a dating site. Ebay only works because it's used by large numbers of people all over the world in preference to all the auction sites you've never heard of. Craigslist sets up local connections, so other users have to be in town, but the same idea applies. The problem is getting a critical mass of local users, not navigating the actual site. Anyone with a computer and a working brainstem can do that. But you have to have a computer which already says something.
  35. Re:Raleigh Durham by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 1

    NCSU was ranked 5th for Best Value, I'm not sure how the engineering school ranks, but their new building is really nice.

  36. You are missing something by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Los Alamos is full of nerds. You know, smart people who actually make stuff. AS opposed to people who thing they are smart and just use or read about stuff.

    Las Alamos nerds debate what's the best chemical compound to use to power their laser.

    Geeks debate who is going to replace "The Question".

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    1. Re:You are missing something by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      If The Question knew that people were discussing who is going replace him, he'd become even more paranoid then he already is, which might not seem possible till you show him your post then oh boy watch out!

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  37. SPeaking of texas girls by geekoid · · Score: 1

    remember, everything in Texas is big.

    36-40-48

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  38. Easy by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Zonk plays WoW all day, then he suddenly relize he needs to post something to keep his jobs post the next 5 things in the list.

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  39. NCSU by reaktor · · Score: 1

    I have two friends who are NCSU grads who now work for Google and make a pile of money. There are good things happening at NC State.

  40. World Beer Festivals? by Malc · · Score: 1

    Is that like US world sports championships? You know, where all the beers are from the US, except a token beer from Canada?

  41. +1 Geek Points by khendron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only a true geek would describe lovebird calls as "pinging."

    Well done! But you should have continued and called it the lovebird "handshake" protocol.

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  42. Frigid?? by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 3, Funny
    BOSTON... Winters may be frigid, but at least there are lots of single nerds to hibernate with.
    It was in the low 60s today here in Boston. Great timing, Wired.
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    1. Re:Frigid?? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Wait until tomorrow. It'll feel like Florida. I'll have to go the the White Mtns to get my dose of winter.

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    2. Re:Frigid?? by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 1

      I'm going to wash my car... in my shorts!

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    3. Re:Frigid?? by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      BOSTON... Winters may be frigid, but at least there are lots of single nerds to hibernate with.
      It was in the low 60s today here in Boston. Great timing, Wired.

      Actually, low 60's is fairly cold, at least compared to here in Austin, TX (another city on the list), where the KATT weather station measured 80.1F as the high today.

      Also, aren't you guys up in the Northeast having one of the mildest winters on record in something like 100 years?

    4. Re:Frigid?? by Spunk · · Score: 1

      Right. It should only be about 20-30 degrees for a high in January. Instead, this may be the warmest winter ever. And are we ever going to get any real snow? This is messed up.

  43. Where's the "surprise"? by foonf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The usual suspects (Seattle, San Francisco) show up on the list, but some might surprise you.

    I looked at the list, and in fact it was mostly the usual suspects. I mean everyone knows there is a big tech presence in Raleigh/Durham and Austin. About the only really surprising inclusion is Orlando, and it was the most poorly justified of all of them. Substitute Portland, OR for Orlando on their list and you have basically the conventional wisdom on what the major tech centers in the US are.

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  44. Micro Center by artifex2004 · · Score: 1

    Actually, here in Dallas, they've gotten better over the last year, and are now sometimes the price leader.
    I bought my premium 360 there in November for $100 off. ($300 after rebate)
    OTOH, I am still waiting on that rebate...

  45. Pittsburgh #6 ?!? by Black-Man · · Score: 1

    The city itself doesn't know what it has. The old-school eastern inner-city politics tries to screw Pitt and CMU every chance they get. And they can't get over one of the city's tallest buildings has "Ariba" on the top - instead of one of the bankrupt or long-gone steel companies the locals once knew.

  46. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure why Pittsburgh makes the list. I'm here and I would rank quality of life as very poor.

    * It's a very bad city for singles - most people are married couples or students, and of course the students mate with other students. It's an exceptionally lonely place if you are not in one of the above groups, and of course geeks generally are not.

    * Most Pittsburgh residents who are not students or professors in the university are highly conservative in a "hidebound, stick in the mud", anti-intellectual kind of way. This is the kind of place where innovation is treated with suspicion.

    * The winter isn't all that cold compared to the rest of the East Coast, but it's much colder than Los Angeles, drab and extremely depressing. Living here on the whole is a mild depressant and little about the place is capable of remedying that problem.

    * The dreadful road network will take you anywhere you want to go, slowly. The two-lane winding roads and hills look cool, especially in the summer, but they make navigation confusing and slow, and one heavy truck ahead of you can ruin your whole trip. A sporty car is rewarding to drive here; don't get a pickup truck like the locals do.

    * An unusually large percentage of food establishments are of exceptionally poor quality. Pizza is vile. There are a couple of great places like Pan Asia on Route 51 and Cambodi-can and Thai me up on the Southside. But most food is all but inedible. The locals are not discriminating and will not be reliable guides in finding the best places. You have to find them yourself.

    * Real estate prices are reasonable, but your house won't be anything special. Tract homes in California, especially on the hills, are so superior to tract homes here, whether on the hills or not, that the comparison is embarassing. Homes were designed in a practical, no-nonsense way that ignored the mamby-pamby virtues of orienting houses for views or even putting in non-puny windows.

    * Real estate taxes are very high. A $500,000 house in California has lower taxes than a $100,000 house in Pittsburgh. Buyer beware, and note that there are several different kinds of taxes (school tax, township tax, etc, etc).

    Google probably wanted to find an academically sound place with low real estate prices. That's here. But it's a lousy place to live. I'm still working on my formula to escape, and I can only recommend, in the strongest possible terms, that you not move here. You'll be as miserable as I am, and you don't want that.

    D

    (To be fair, I loathe cold weather [temperature under 65degF during winter] with a passion and that's a huge strike against this place for me.)

  47. Hey I'm in Seattle! by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    Someone hire me! I am graduating in 6 months, I want a challenging development job, and none of this contract work crud!

    Lots of jobs around here, now if someone would just reply to my resume with a cool and stable position... Getting recognized in a city with this many developers in it is hard.

  48. Re:There's only two things in Texas: Steers & by Sanctuary · · Score: 1

    As long as the wind isn't blowing in from the cow fields it isn't that bad :P

  49. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by Macgruder · · Score: 1

    I lived in LA for a dozen years (Brea, Redondo Beach, and Burbank) before moving to Pittsburgh to take a job with Fisher Scientific. I agree with the parents factual comments about Pittsburgh, but I actually enjoyed living there. It was a dynamic change from life in LA, and I found it invigorating. If it wasn't for my father's deteriorating health forcing me to move to the mid-west, I'd still be there.

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  50. Shameless Plug for Fort Collins, CO by warrior · · Score: 1

    At first glance I was surprised to see that Fort Collins, CO didn't make the list. Looking at the criteria I see why, the study is kind of lame. Soooo... anyone who's been to Fort Collins lately would see the place is crawling with nerds. Most of the population of 130,000 work for or are family of the engineers at HP, Intel, AMD, Avago (formerly Agilent), Broadcom, Microsoft, LSI Logic and others ( I think there's a small NVidia site somewhere ). Perhaps "number of EE's per capita" would've put Ft Collins in the list ( even the MS site is full of EE's, it's where they design the optical mice ). For the university factor there's Colorado State, but it's kind of pathetic as far as tech goes. But then there's the beer factor. I'd put up a large wager that Ft Collins has the highest number of microbreweries per capita. The whole microbrew movement practically started in Ft Fun at New Belgium (mmmm... Fat Tire). After the micros, Budweiser also has one of it's top five largest breweries in Ft Collins. Not too shabby for a little mountain town...

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    1. Re:Shameless Plug for Fort Collins, CO by tgl · · Score: 1

      FC, like the rest of Colorado, is a great place to live as long as your definition of fun involves being up-close-n-personal with a lot of snow. If you don't like to ski, there's not so much to do.

      Personally, I worked for HP there twenty-plus years ago, and I'm quite happy to have moved back to Pittsburgh.

      (Not but what Pgh. got dissed in this survey too ... most comic book stores per capita??? Not our claim to fame, I think.)

  51. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    Redondo Beach is a great place. I don't know how anyone could possibly prefer Pittsburgh to having the beauty of the beach, warm weather, great shopping, etc.

    I'm curious as to what you mean by "a dynamic change" - what aspects of it did you find better than LA? I find it so un-dynamic it's not even funny.

    I'm stuck here for a few more months still, so I'd love to find something better about the place :-(.

    D

  52. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by Macgruder · · Score: 1

    Well, seasons for one. I got tired of only having two of them, 'brown' and 'wet'. And when I lived in Redondo (90-93) it was being encroached with gang activity from Hermosa and Venice. Even King Harbor got to be pretty crudy and skanky. Brea was nice, but the summers were brutal. Especially being up against the hills there, all the smog would flow up against them.
    The cost of living in LA was the deal breaker. In Van Nuys, I was paying 950 for a decent, two bedroom apartment, that just happened to be in the flight line of the airport.

    In Pittsburgh, (well technically Arnold) for a three-bedroom house, I paid $350. Off street parking, two story + full basement, and a nice sized yard. 20 miles from downtown, and an hour drive to work (out by the airport) After live in LA, a 1-hour drive seemed like heaven.

    I really enjoyed the people in PGH, too. Everywhere I went, they were helpful and pleasent. In Brea, I lived at the end of a cul-de-sac with 6 other houses. After 4 years, I only knew 1 of them by name, and he was our local pastor. People were pretty insular-minded there. My new neighbors in PGH helped me move in, we poured sidewalks together, and many a night we shared a six-pack while chatting over the fence.

    The comradery, the civic and community spirit in Pittsburgh really impressed me. Very much like a small-town feeling.

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  53. Re:No Redmond, WA? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    Redmond is part of the greater Seattle area, dufus.

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  54. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    I loathe seasons. I just want one season, the one that's comfortable. That's why I really should be living in a tropical climate like Florida or the Philippines. My master plan is to get my web site working and then move to the Philippines where you can live well for about $2k a month and there is a huge surplus of young, attractive single women, which I don't think is true anywhere in the US.

    It's interesting that you mention the friendly nature of Pittsburghers. It exists, but I have always been more an airy-fairy type than a down to earth type, and so having no fellow airy-fairy types isn't conducive to happiness.

    More to the point, I finally found a neighborhood in Los Angeles that's just as you describe Pittsburgh neighborhoods. It's Woodland Hills, South of the Boulevard, in the hills. I knew several of my neighbors and they were all fantastic. I think in general that in Los Angeles, the hills are the place to be. You get a beautiful natural setting and people really pull for each other there. I think it might have to do with some of the hazards (fires, mudslides, etc) that we all face, or just from the fact that we took a special effort to live in a place that's beautiful.

    Of course my house cost $428k and would sell for about $550k today. Unfortunately, most of my profit on it got eaten by termites and real estate commissions :-(. I lost my job and had to leave; my best friend's a Pittsburgher and he got me a job here, thus the move.

    If it hadn't been for that, I would have been happy staying in Woodland Hills forever, or at least until I could afford Malibu. To give you some perspective, at the time I bought my house for $428k, a drab house in the flats was selling for $349k. By any standard, what I paid was a bargain even though it was 1000 square feet and as you say would probably rent in Pittsburgh for $350 a month.

    D

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  56. I dont trust the cost rating. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    The most of the cities with the big pay are also cities that are expensive to live in too.

    an $80,000 work in New York City or Boston or you can live just as well with $60,000 job in Upstate NY. My cheap $70,000 house in Upstate NY, for the same size and condition can go for over $400,000 in Boston or NYC. $600 for a good 2 bedroom apartment in Upstate NY vs. over $1000 a month. For the same size and quality. I know people who make significantly more then me in these big cities and yet their quality of life is much lower. Before you rush to these locations for a high paying job, make sure that it will offset any increase in living.

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  57. You know... by TerminalWriter · · Score: 1

    It is entirely possible to be a geek and like basketball.

    Go Duke!

  58. Consider the source by nwbvt · · Score: 1

    Wired magazine these days is nothing but one long advertisement after another. Circuit city probably paid them to be included in the rankings.

    The days where Wired could be seen as a credible source of information on technology is long over. I mean these are the same people who proudly declared that the Internet was no longer important enough to be granted proper noun status.

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  59. Re:"Circuit City sotres [sic] per capita"?! by mnemotronic · · Score: 1
    And where is the CompuUSA index? The RadioShack Index?

    At least gimme a Fry's index, although some people would consider that "points off".

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  60. Do something by dledeaux · · Score: 1

    Personally, I feel that A) the author inserting his own opinions about any geographical area and B) Wired supporting such views, is unprofessional and poor journalism.

    If you live in Texas, love Texas or disagree with the way that opinion was presented in general, write a letter to rants@wired.com, editor@wired.com and maybe patrick@dijusto.com (the author), politely expressing your disappointment with the poorly expressed opinion. Comments like that should be kept to a blog and don't belong on a national tech oriented publication.

  61. Yes I've been to the Philippines. by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    I've been there. It's imperfect, like all places. It's dirty and there are problems with poor food and most people live in miserable conditions.

    The women are like women everywhere! Some exquisite, some cute, some ugly. But certainly as a paunchy 44 year old man who time has passed by in the US, the odds of me finding an attractive and loving wife is about 100 times plus better than it is in the US.

    It's warm and sunny almost all the time, and they have beautiful tropical plants growing everywhere, and there are nice shopping malls and even good restaurants if you look hard enough.

    You have to make compromises in life. Sure, I'd probably like the Florida Keys better. But it would take 10+k/month or more to live there well. If I could live something close to my dream for $2k, that sure looks like a steal, even accepting a lot of problems.

    The Filipina attitude is so much better than the gloomy, sad-sack, depressed attitude I see in the US. People in the Philippines make a determined effort to be cheerful even if they are having problems. Here it's the non-stop gloom channel. I'm tired of the gloom channel. It seems like all of America's optimism and verve has faded away.

    I'd like to find more of it and I've never seen more of it than in the Philippines, despite the country's many problems and intense poverty.

    D

  62. Please don't mention Raleigh. Please. by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 1

    I live here, love it a lot, and can't think of anywhere else I'd want to live. But this place has changed quite a bit in the past 10 years, and not by just an infinite percentage increase in Stanley Cups.

    The Tragedy of the Commons is starting to occur here, as the highways get wider, the traffic slower, and the big-box stores even more daunting. And Wake County just voted for a $930M bond issue to upgrade the school system. (I voted for it myself, since it was the cheapest option, but the growth implications are sobering to say the least.)

    And oh the refugees from California and New Jersey are still streaming into this place.

    So please do me and everyone else here a big favor. Post to Craigslist with the following subject line: "RALEIGH SUCKS". And believe it.

    We don't necessarily want you here. Stay home. If you helped to mess up California irrevocably, made the Boswash strip uninhabitable, and won't even bother to fix Pittsburgh, we really have NO use for your kind around here. (There is a very good reason why the natives say "We don't care how you do it up north.")

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    1. Re:Please don't mention Raleigh. Please. by uwes98 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's a great place to find work if you're in the tech field (I'm in the sciences myself), but I haven't found it to be a particularly great place to live. Maybe the Durham / Chapel Hill area is more vibrant, but in my experience, Raleigh is pretty dull. The selling point is "You're 2 hours from the beach and 4 hours from the mountains." Too bad there's not much within 20 minutes. YMMV, of course.

    2. Re:Please don't mention Raleigh. Please. by z-kungfu · · Score: 1

      You should be the first to leave... We welcome others to come here. Bring your whole company. And help this dipshit move....

  63. The Big i-Pple by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1
    NYC's many underground niches are lousy with geeks of every sort. Come out for Warper:
    Warper is a party for people interested in the latest evolution in DJ culture. Conceived by live electronic music performers to build community, showcase creativity, and share knowledge in the NY area and beyond.
    Each party consists of a program of music created and remixed with the power and flexibility of the latest music technology. Music performers and creators bring their laptops, instruments, drives, controllers, and ideas to share and showcase.


    Oh, and we invented dorkbot
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  64. Boston? Wrong city by QueePWNzor · · Score: 1

    Though Boston is the big city (650,000 people) Cambridge (120,000 people) is actually the geeky place. MIT is in Cambridge, the home of the FSF, and other institutions like Harvard, which is more famous, also have many high tech stuff. As anybody there knows: Boston is an overpopulated suburb of Cambridge. Plus Harvard square has everything, including CarTalk, which is geeky in the sense that those guys can't think of anything but fixing weird car parts. At least list both in the title of the area.

  65. D/FW Metroplex by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    D/FW is a great tech megalopolis. Technology jobs abound most plentifully here, and living expenses are very reasonable. Plus, we have five Fry's Electronics stores here, a Microcenter, dozens of CircuitCity, Bestbuy, CompUSA, etc chain stores, plus stores like Tanner Electronics (sponsor of annual robot shows) and Tucker Electronics for test equipment and specialized electronics lab instruments.

  66. Re:Festivals ayyy..... by samkass · · Score: 1

    Sorry you feel that way. I did meet my wife at CMU here so I don't know about the singles scene, but I had the opposite experience for all your other points. While in California a $500K house has lower taxes, there are few houses as cheap as $500K where I was living (south bay) when I lived out there. And taxes would have to be awfully high to make up the 10x difference in purchase price over a reasonable time span.

    Also, I wouldn't know about "tract homes". $150K will buy you a near mansion here with all the character of houses built in the earlier part of the century, when they used real building materials. In my house, every door (interior and exterior) is hardwood, the whole exterior is Italian stone, 2 car garage, half the basement is finished, etc., and the $125K price tag was a little high for the neighborhood. Compared to the paper mache, cookie-cutter houses in California that cost $750K, there's no contest.

    And it sounds like you have different taste in food than the Pittsburgh norm, but that doesn't make your tastes better.

    Maybe you just picked the wrong neighborhood to live and work. Pittsburgh is very, very different from neighborhood to neighborhood. I live in the east side and work on south side, and enjoy it here. If it was closer to my and my wife's family I'd probably settle here indefinitely. Or maybe this just isn't your town. You can't please everyone. But considering the huge tech industry here, especially per capita, it's no wonder it's on the list.

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  67. Outsourcing killed the heartland by heroine · · Score: 1

    In the 90's Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Utah, Idaho were thought to be the next employment centers. What happened? There were using telecommuting to do back office work. Today that work is done in Asia.

  68. $80,000 in NYC? by heroine · · Score: 1

    If you make under $120,000 in NYC, you my friend are a dead duck.

  69. Denver didn't even get on the list.......... by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying it should've been at the top, but if Seattle got in, Denver should've got in on merit of the DTC alone. Let alone School of Mines, CU Boulder (record number of nobel winners and laureates), DU, all that fun jazz.

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