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Blue Origin Building DC-X Lookalike

rrohbeck writes "The New York Times is running an article on what Blue Origin (Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos' space company) is up to after his Texas land grab. A couple of Flash videos show a short successful test hop of the 'Goddard' test vehicle. From the article: 'The Goddard has a science-fiction sleekness. Videos show the craft taking off and landing again with a loud whooshing sound. In one view, one of the nine rocket nozzles jitters as it maintains the ship's attitude. Goddard resembles the DC-X, another vertical-takeoff-and-landing craft under development in the 1990s by McDonnell Douglas for the Defense Department and NASA until the government pulled the plug.' And in case you're an aerospace engineer, they're hiring."

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  1. that's better by macadamia_harold · · Score: 4, Funny

    Videos show the craft taking off and landing again with a loud whooshing sound.

    I suppose that's better than taking off and landing again with a crashing sound.

  2. It made me think of... by d3m0nCr4t · · Score: 3, Funny

    Douglas Adams: "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." :D

  3. Re:slow on the uptake by Bucc5062 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, slashdot is true toform and dup'ing the news. This http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/0 3/2344241 was posted on Jan 3. Even repeated it is a cool story.

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  4. Re:slow on the uptake by Thansal · · Score: 3, Informative

    well, it is a dupe (and hey, the /. story is actualy earlier then the pythom one):
    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/0 3/2344241

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  5. Makes sense by tsotha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    DC-X was a very successful program. It had many successful flights until the Air Force turned it over to NASA and NASA crashed it on the first flight. Then they cancelled it.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      NASA flew the DC-X four times, with it being lost on the fourth flight. The US Airforce programme damanged the DC-X on its last flight with them and refused to spend funds on repairs, which was why NASA stepped in - they offered the funding to repair the vehicle and resume testing.

  6. Not like DC-X by J05H · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Blue Origin's vehicle isn't anything like DC-X, except that they are both VTVL. The Goddard/New Shepard vehicles are axisymetric, base-first reentry and use hydrogen peroxide/kerosene. DC-X (and follow-ons) were biconic, used a side-first reentry with body flaps and were LOX/LH2 powered. Very different machines, both these test vehicles and any further versions. DC-X was based on the classified AMARV test article, the Goddard is more like the old "mega capsule" heavy lift concepts from the 60's and 70's, such as Boeing's LEO.

    All the best to Bezos and Blue Origin! The flight video is excellent!

    Josh

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  7. Re:They're hiring? by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder what they pay?

    Money.

    KFG

  8. Can't get to orbit that way by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks impressive, but you can't get to orbit that way.

    Single stage to orbit craft have to be somewhere above 97% fuel, with the best chemical fuels possible. People have tried to build SSTO craft, Rotary Rocket being a good example, but when your weight budget is that tight, it's next to impossible, and even if it works, the payloads are dinky.

    Two stages work. The Shuttle is two stages; the solid boosters and the external tank are dropped off. To get to orbit on chemical fuels and have any useful payload, you have to dump some mass during lift. Even with two stages, the weight reduction efforts result in fragile spacecraft.

    Now if we had nuclear rockets, we could get somewhere.

    1. Re:Can't get to orbit that way by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jerry Pournelle has some data that make it sound feasible.
      A mass ratio of 17 (5.9% payload) with RL-10 engines doesn't sound too bad for a start.

    2. Re:Can't get to orbit that way by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of all of the possible uses of Nuclear power, using it to power a rocket out of the atmosphere is perhaps the last one I'd want to see actually implemented. It is hard to think of a better way of spreading radioactive particles all over a huge landscape, not to mention what happens when you crash.

      I'm sure it'd be trivial compared to the spread of radioactive particles from coal power plants.

      http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/ colmain.html

  9. Blue Origin Design by amightywind · · Score: 3, Funny

    Powered ascent and descent results in a craft that is 4 times more massive than one that would reach the same altitude but land using a ballistic reentry and a parachute. You would not see Burt Rutan embrace an inefficient design like that.

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  10. In case you're an aerospace engineer by iamlucky13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Correction: In case you're a highly experience aerospace engineer.

    I already checked. They don't seem to be doing a Google style "young talent" hiring search or accepting those with marginally-related experience. If you look through the jobs page, they're generally asking for 10 years experience with some very specific skills (like direct experience with RS-68's or RL-10's). Your chances probably aren't very good if you're looking to break into aerospace, even with an advanced degree. *sigh*

    With good reason, I'd wager. I would attribute a large part of SpaceX's rapid pace of development of the Merlin engines to having recruited the same kind of talent directly off of Lockheed and Boeing. They didn't have to figure out many of the details of how to build a working rocket because they people they hired had already built them.

    This is probably critical for Blue Origin. Space.com's reported that their current test vehicle is powered by catalytically decomposed hydrogen peroxide. If they're going to achieve the payload and altitude they want, suborbital though it may be, I doubt they're going to get there without a bipropellant; fuel + oxidizer. Just switching to H2O2 + kerosene would double the theoretical specific impulse, or energy they can get per mass of fuel. On the downside, burning a bi-propellant increases the complexity of the engine significantly and complicates throttling, and if they're planning on using turbopumps instead of a pressure-fed system (a scheme their jobs page supports), it gets even more complicated.

  11. Next up for Blue Origin by sokoban · · Score: 3, Funny

    Building DC-9 Lookalikes, but with rocket engines in order to transport Thetans to Teegeeack in clusters (packaged by the thousands together), and thereafter drop them in two volcanic areas, one of which is Las Palmas, and the other Hawaii.

    (The preceding joke is based upon the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, which make up a core belief in Scientology (OT III, Incident 2))

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  12. Re:A little optomistic by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Taking off and landing safely are the two biggest obstacles to suborbital flight. They seem to be doing those two well enough. The only remaining obstacle seems to be altitude, which is simply a matter of working out the payload/fuel constraints. The Scaled Composites team took only three years from start of development to taking the X-Prize. 2010 is not an unreasonable goal for going from fully functional testbed to production vehicle.

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