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Blue Origin Building DC-X Lookalike
rrohbeck writes "The New York Times is running an article on what Blue Origin (Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos' space company) is up to after his Texas land grab. A couple of Flash videos show a short successful test hop of the 'Goddard' test vehicle. From the article: 'The Goddard has a science-fiction sleekness. Videos show the craft taking off and landing again with a loud whooshing sound. In one view, one of the nine rocket nozzles jitters as it maintains the ship's attitude. Goddard resembles the DC-X, another vertical-takeoff-and-landing craft under development in the 1990s by McDonnell Douglas for the Defense Department and NASA until the government pulled the plug.' And in case you're an aerospace engineer, they're hiring."
Videos show the craft taking off and landing again with a loud whooshing sound.
I suppose that's better than taking off and landing again with a crashing sound.
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Actually, slashdot is true toform and dup'ing the news. This http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/0 3/2344241 was posted on Jan 3. Even repeated it is a cool story.
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well, it is a dupe (and hey, the /. story is actualy earlier then the pythom one):0 3/2344241
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/
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DC-X was a very successful program. It had many successful flights until the Air Force turned it over to NASA and NASA crashed it on the first flight. Then they cancelled it.
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Well, actually, seriously, I'd hate to get a job at one of these places and then end up finding it tedious and hating it, the way I end up hating everything once I get into Type-A workaholic mode.
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The Blue Origin's vehicle isn't anything like DC-X, except that they are both VTVL. The Goddard/New Shepard vehicles are axisymetric, base-first reentry and use hydrogen peroxide/kerosene. DC-X (and follow-ons) were biconic, used a side-first reentry with body flaps and were LOX/LH2 powered. Very different machines, both these test vehicles and any further versions. DC-X was based on the classified AMARV test article, the Goddard is more like the old "mega capsule" heavy lift concepts from the 60's and 70's, such as Boeing's LEO.
All the best to Bezos and Blue Origin! The flight video is excellent!
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I wonder what they pay?
Money.
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It looks impressive, but you can't get to orbit that way.
Single stage to orbit craft have to be somewhere above 97% fuel, with the best chemical fuels possible. People have tried to build SSTO craft, Rotary Rocket being a good example, but when your weight budget is that tight, it's next to impossible, and even if it works, the payloads are dinky.
Two stages work. The Shuttle is two stages; the solid boosters and the external tank are dropped off. To get to orbit on chemical fuels and have any useful payload, you have to dump some mass during lift. Even with two stages, the weight reduction efforts result in fragile spacecraft.
Now if we had nuclear rockets, we could get somewhere.
Powered ascent and descent results in a craft that is 4 times more massive than one that would reach the same altitude but land using a ballistic reentry and a parachute. You would not see Burt Rutan embrace an inefficient design like that.
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Like a development of the DC-8?
If I didn't know better, I'd think they were planning on launching a "new and improved" scientology.
Correction: In case you're a highly experience aerospace engineer.
I already checked. They don't seem to be doing a Google style "young talent" hiring search or accepting those with marginally-related experience. If you look through the jobs page, they're generally asking for 10 years experience with some very specific skills (like direct experience with RS-68's or RL-10's). Your chances probably aren't very good if you're looking to break into aerospace, even with an advanced degree. *sigh*
With good reason, I'd wager. I would attribute a large part of SpaceX's rapid pace of development of the Merlin engines to having recruited the same kind of talent directly off of Lockheed and Boeing. They didn't have to figure out many of the details of how to build a working rocket because they people they hired had already built them.
This is probably critical for Blue Origin. Space.com's reported that their current test vehicle is powered by catalytically decomposed hydrogen peroxide. If they're going to achieve the payload and altitude they want, suborbital though it may be, I doubt they're going to get there without a bipropellant; fuel + oxidizer. Just switching to H2O2 + kerosene would double the theoretical specific impulse, or energy they can get per mass of fuel. On the downside, burning a bi-propellant increases the complexity of the engine significantly and complicates throttling, and if they're planning on using turbopumps instead of a pressure-fed system (a scheme their jobs page supports), it gets even more complicated.
Building DC-9 Lookalikes, but with rocket engines in order to transport Thetans to Teegeeack in clusters (packaged by the thousands together), and thereafter drop them in two volcanic areas, one of which is Las Palmas, and the other Hawaii.
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So you don't want a job with them and it's entirely irrelevant, but you felt like telling us why you are such a hardware stud. Thanks for sharing.
Vertical Take off and landing. Notice the lack of heat, that is simple escaping gas, notice the lake of "smoke" or product of a oxygen reaction, the liquid and frost?...Some compressed gas propellent in the form of pressurized liquid was used to propel this "pod". Probably a test of the computer controls required to do a vertical landing.
The pod will probably be deployed atop a conventional rocket to shoot tourists into low earth orbit, take some snaps, puke in zero G then fall to earth, chute deploys then the last 5000 feet or so the landing "spray" take over with non-explosive propellent...for a safe, soft touch down.
Makes perfect sense, it is safer than splatting craft on the ground like the Russians do, and craft recovery is much cheaper with a soft touch landing than a splash down. Aircraft carriers are expensive.
I could be way off base...but don't expect any "secret amazing" drive technology out of commercial space vehicles. It is really about making space tourism, safe, repeatable and profitable.
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The Goddard has a science-fiction sleekness
Damn right! The only thing missing from that pick are Tatooine's 2 suns and Luke kicking a rock right next to it.
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Sure did look like steam coming out of those engines, I thought that hydrogen peroxide just didn't have enough energy for a practical launch vehicle??
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Yeah, I'm in that kind of mood today.
C'mon - when I was in college we used to joke that there was a senior aero course called "Advanced Unemployment Line Mechanics." It's not often a company likely to do cool things happens to fit my background. Let me crow a little. Ignore me if you like. Eveybody else does.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Then apply to that company. Call them up and see if what they are doing fits what you are doing. Just offer to take their engineers out for a beer when they're in town, because you know their pain and they know yours.
But the feigned insouciance: "oh, I'm not interested..." seems a bit prima donna-ish
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Look if these guys can do this under say $1billion, then why is nasa wasting 10s of billions or why is the navy/govt wasting 100s of billions in iraq!!!
Seams like even 5% of the military spending could yield close to star trek technology, ie. 100 space ships with crews of 1000s, and 5 space stations.
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Actually, I am interested in what it would be like 'cause it does sound cool, but it turns out I really don't have a desire to move to the west coast. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt.
We all have our moments...yesterday I had mine.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
But the feigned insouciance: "oh, I'm not interested..." seems a bit prima donna-ish
Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head! The bane of any rocket company's existence is prima donna rocket scientists. You must never hire these guys, they'll sink your program and they're everywhere. Space attracts that personality type. I worked at a rocket company once, and we had 4 prima donna engineers each presenting their own redundant, slightly different designs as the "final" design to the customer. They routinely went over their manager's head to the company owner. Of course their rockets always crashed, though they swore that never happened in previous jobs.
Jackass. If you purposely misread a simple sentence I can't help you much.
Keep in mind that a Soyuz descends under parachute and uses the rocket firing briefly before impact to reduce landing shock. They have nothing to do with the rest of the descent. They stand in place of a landing bag.
Yes, simple skids add a small fraction of the size and mass of the outsized tanks of the Blue Origin. No solution is free. But to most engineers the lighter simpler safer system is preferable. Not suprising Bezos embraced the sexy and discredited alternative
Nice description of the problem, for an English major. Integrate dv = -u dm/m - g dt for the powered descent scenareo and you will see the point. Open any dynamics book to find a discussion of the problem. Also LH2 is utterly wasteful for flight in the atmosphere. High thrust not high Isp is the solution to air drag.
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