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Bugged Canadian Coins?

tundra_man writes "CBC has an article about RFID type devices in Canadian coins found on US Contractors. From the article: 'Canadian coins containing tiny transmitters have mysteriously turned up in the pockets of at least three American contractors who visited Canada, says a branch of the U.S. Department of Defense.' The report did not indicate what kinds of coins were involved."

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  1. In Canada... by EXMSFT · · Score: 5, Funny

    coins track YOU!

  2. Re:Motive??? by batquux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Makes ripping off Canadian vending machines just a little bit tougher?

  3. Re:RFID chips by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 5, Informative

    No argument, here. However, the Canadian Dollar is close to reaching parity with the US Dollar.

    Canadian Dollar to U.S. Dollar Exchange Rate

  4. A Day In The Life Of A Twoonie by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    • 0700 In Harry's Pocket
    • 0734 Tim Horton's for Coffee and Apple Fritter
    • 0756 Change for Mary's purchase of Coffee and Scone
    • 0810 Given to sad looking homeless man to buy food with
    • 0812 In Beer Store register
    • 1217 Change for Robert's purchase of something to drink with lunch
    • 1259 In the till at Tim Horton's for coffee and donut
    • 1349 Change for Alice's purchase of coffee
    • 1412 Given to sad looking homeless man to buy food with
    • 1425 Placed on two dollar bet for Murray's Little Girl to show in the 3rd race
    • 1446 Paid out to Harry for bet on Mum's De Woid to win in the 3rd race

    i see a trend here, eh.

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  5. Re:Extortion? by Slithe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada's equivalent of the CIA Would that be the CI-eh?
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  6. Re:Motive??? by archen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although it doesn't say what kind of coin was involved, I would guess it's almost certainly the two dollar coin. Mainly because I'd guess it's easy to pop out the center part of it that is a different metal. Even if you put plastic in there, the metal frame around it would make it feel pretty similar to a normal coin. There is also an advantage that when you cross the border you can't unload $1 and $2 coins. You can try to pawn off the small change to people who aren't paying attention (a problem in itself for northern states), but no one is going to take the big change - some won't take American dollar coins for that matter. Anyway that means they are more likely to keep the coin at least until they return to Canada.

    Also it's better if vending machines reject the coin. If you can't spend it in a soda machine you're going to just keep the coin, and probably try another.

  7. NOT an RFID is my bet. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For the life of me, I can't figure a reason that somebody would do this. Coins change hands quickly and RFID has a pretty limited range.

    If you RTFA article closely you'll see that the souce told the press that transmitters were found in coins.

    Then (in paragraph 11) reporter notes that the type of transmitter was not disclosed. In paragraph 12 he starts speculating about RFID. The rest of the article (and possibly part of the preceeding section - along with the Slashdot headline) is based on the unfounded assumption that the transmitter IS an RFID-type device.

    Which strikes me as totally bogus.

    IMHO it's more likely that the "transmitter" found is a remotely-powered area audio bug, like "The Great Seal Bug", the martini fake olive bug, or the "diodes in the wall" bugs. Planted on a person it would bug his conversations and those around him until he spent it - hours or days later. (As you can imagine from the martini-olive bug, which is only useful while the spy is toting the martini, in some situations long-term bugging is an unnecessary bonus.)

    Such bugs can be simple: A shaped cavity with a flexible membrane over it is one way to do it - the cavity resonates, giving a strong reflection, while the sound modulates the cavity's effectiveness, AMing the reflection. Another is just to fasten a diode to something that can be vibrated by sound. The diode frequency-doubles the reflected signal or mixes two of them to produce the sum and difference frequencies (sorting the diode's reflection from most ordinary reflections) and the vibration of it along the line between the bug and the monitor phase-modulates the return with the local audio. No fancy circuitry or local power supplies necessary.

    I presume this one did involve at least a diode, or some semiconductor circuitry, since it was found in a radio scan - which is often done by looking for the frequency-multiplying and/or frequency mixing effect of diodes / semiconductor junctions. Finding a pure cavity resonator bug - or even identifying what it is when you have it - is a bitch.

    Bugging the audio at a conference, or the conversations of a contractor at work on classified projects, would be worth planting a bug on him and having it there for only a few hours. After that, if he "spends" it, so what? (At least until they are noticed and a way found to identify them BEFORE the conversations to be monitored.)

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  8. Re:Motive??? by UncleTogie · · Score: 5, Informative

    "...to homeless people who you know will spend it on drugs..."

    That's funny, Spanky... when *I* was homeless I was FAR more interested in staying fed, getting a job, and getting back to where I was now. So were most of the guys at the shelter.

    My question: Did you have a big helping of WhiteBreadNess this morning, or do you watch too much cable?

    ...and to stay ontopic, I have to ask: While everyone here is usin' RFID tags as a reference, the article states that

    As a result, the type of transmitter in play -- and its ultimate purpose -- remain a mystery. However, tiny tracking tags, known as RFIDs, are commonly placed in everything from clothing to key chains to help retailers track inventory.

    Assuming you're not limited to RFID limits, in theory how much power could one of these spit out? What distance could they be tracked from?
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